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13th Oct '17 9:00:33 AM VulgarBee
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10th Sep '17 7:06:07 PM DustSnitch
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* ''Gospel of Afranius'' by the Russian author Kirill Yeskov presents the [[Literature/TheBible four canonical Gospels]] as [[RashomonStyle honest but one-sided eyewitness accounts]] of "[[FalseFlagOperation Operation Pisces]]" by the Roman secret service to undermine right-wing militia support in Judea. While not denying (or supporting) the claim of {{Jesus}}' (who is shown as an unwitting (?) victim of the Romans) divine nature, it explains most of his miracles with actions of the DoubleReverseQuadrupleAgent Judas and his posthumous appearances, with various impostors (one of whom went on to write the Q document).

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* ''Gospel of Afranius'' by the Russian author Kirill Yeskov presents the [[Literature/TheBible [[Literature/TheFourGospels four canonical Gospels]] as [[RashomonStyle honest but one-sided eyewitness accounts]] of "[[FalseFlagOperation Operation Pisces]]" by the Roman secret service to undermine right-wing militia support in Judea. While not denying (or supporting) the claim of {{Jesus}}' UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}}' (who is shown as an unwitting (?) victim of the Romans) divine nature, it explains most of his miracles with actions of the DoubleReverseQuadrupleAgent Judas and his posthumous appearances, with various impostors (one of whom went on to write the Q document).
15th Aug '17 8:07:29 PM TheMightyHeptagon
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* ''WesternAnimation/ThePrinceOfEgypt'' is a partial {{Demythtification}} of the Literature/BookOfExodus, keeping in most of the overtly fantastical elements--like the Burning Bush and the parting of the Red Sea--while reimagining some of the subtler fantastical elements [[ValuesDissonance that don't translate quite as well into modern times]]. To elaborate:
** Most translations of the Book of Exodus heavily imply that the Pharaoh's [[CourtMage court magicians]] possessed some degree of genuine magical abilities, which allowed them to replicate all of Moses' miracles until the Ten Plagues [[VillainousBSOD left them too weak to do magic]]. For the story's original audience, the intended message was likely that [[AllMythsAreTrue there were many forms of magic in the world]], but none of them were as powerful as God's divine miracles. In the movie, Ramses' court magicians [[ThoseTwoBadGuys Hotep and Huy]] are shown to be simple illusionists who use sleight of hand and stagecraft to make people ''think'' they can perform miracles, while Moses' miracles are the real deal.
** Many translations make reference to God "harden[ing] the Pharaoh's heart" to ensure that [[VillainBall he doesn't free the Hebrews until the Ten Plagues have run their course]] (presumably to [[ScareEmStraight make an example of the Egyptians for future generations]]), implying that God has the power to influence certain people's behavior and actions. The movie gives him a pretty convincing FreudianExcuse that makes his actions seem much more understandable. His father Pharaoh Seti is shown to be an [[ParentalAbuse emotionally abusive]] tyrant who constantly reminded his son that the fate of Egypt rested on his shoulders, and that any sign of weakness could bring his forefathers' dynasty crashing down ([[ArcWords "One weak link can destroy a chain!"]]). As an adult, Ramses takes his advice to heart and refuses to free the Hebrews because he considers mercy to be a sign of weakness, only relenting [[DespairEventHorizon when his firstborn son is killed by the Plagues]].
23rd Jul '17 1:57:05 AM MBG
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** In general, the film seems to interpret anything where the gods would be involved as a metaphor or exaggeration. This isn't too far from how some historians view it, with a common reading being that any kind of major feat or unlikely event would be credited to the gods - for instance, a passage going something like "Athena blocked a spear thrown at Achilles" could be read as "the spear thrown at Achilles miraculously missed him."
21st May '17 9:22:12 PM PaulA
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* ''Just Ella'' by Margaret Peterson Haddix also retells "Literature/{{Cinderella}}".

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* ''Just Ella'' ''Literature/JustElla'' by Margaret Peterson Haddix also retells "Literature/{{Cinderella}}".
11th Apr '17 7:41:59 PM DustSnitch
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* ''Music/JesusChristSuperstar'' and ''Film/TheLastTemptationOfChrist'', although they don't debate Jesus' divinity, do question him from [[SympathyForTheDevil Judas' point of view]], and seemingly [[DoingInTheWizard do in the wizard]] with respect to physical miracles and angels incarnate. Rather than being made to look especially fallible, Jesus counsels his followers to be more sensible, but his [[ExternalRetcon best intentions are tragically unheeded by his flock]].


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* ''Music/JesusChristSuperstar'' although it doesn't debate Jesus' divinity, does question him from [[SympathyForTheDevil Judas' point of view]], and seemingly [[DoingInTheWizard does in the wizard]] with respect to physical miracles and angels incarnate. Rather than being made to look especially fallible, Jesus counsels his followers to be more sensible, but his [[ExternalRetcon best intentions are tragically unheeded by his flock]].
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14th Mar '17 1:28:53 AM fusilcontrafusil
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* Hallmark's miniseries ''Hercules'' (2005). The existence of the Gods made rather ambiguous (Hercules being fathered by an escaped prisoner of war with a lightning shaped scar), but they do throw in mythical creatures of AncientGreece. It's heavily arbitrary on when to dismiss the fantastic. In addition, Hercules' SuperStrength and fighting prowess is explained as a CharlesAtlasSuperpower brought on by TrainingFromHell.

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* Hallmark's miniseries ''Hercules'' ''Series/{{Hercules}}'' (2005). The existence of the Gods made rather ambiguous (Hercules being fathered by an escaped prisoner of war with a lightning shaped scar), but they do throw in mythical creatures of AncientGreece. It's heavily arbitrary on when to dismiss the fantastic. In addition, Hercules' SuperStrength and fighting prowess is explained as a CharlesAtlasSuperpower brought on by TrainingFromHell.
14th Mar '17 1:23:16 AM fusilcontrafusil
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-->-- '''Eric Shanower''', about ''Age of Bronze''

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-->-- '''Eric Shanower''', about ''Age of Bronze''
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* In ''Age of Bronze'', Eric Shanower's graphic novel series based on the ''Literature/TheIliad'', the gods don't appear, and there's no evidence that they actually exist in the world of the adaptation. This is deliberate, as the afterword makes clear. Also, Helen of Troy is only fairly attractive, not beautiful (but she is very conscious about her image and spends a lot of time on her dressing and makeup; this, coupled with her exotic appeal and personality, is what makes all of Troy fall in love with her). Odysseus and Agamemnon decide to say she's the most beautiful woman in the world because the Hellene soldiers will fight more willingly than they would for the real reasons for the war, which are more complicated and less glamorous.

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* In ''Age of Bronze'', ''ComicBook/AgeOfBronze'', Eric Shanower's graphic novel series based on the ''Literature/TheIliad'', the gods don't appear, and there's no evidence that they actually exist in the world of the adaptation. This is deliberate, as the afterword makes clear. Also, Helen of Troy is only fairly attractive, not beautiful (but she is very conscious about her image and spends a lot of time on her dressing and makeup; this, coupled with her exotic appeal and personality, is what makes all of Troy fall in love with her). Odysseus and Agamemnon decide to say she's the most beautiful woman in the world because the Hellene soldiers will fight more willingly than they would for the real reasons for the war, which are more complicated and less glamorous.
8th Jan '17 6:57:34 PM nombretomado
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* ''Film/EverAfter'' does this for the "Literature/{{Cinderella}}" fairytale, the story in a somewhat more down to Earth environment devoid of external magic. The Cinderella character is Danielle, a French noblewoman [[FallenPrincess who's reduced to servanthood]] by her stepmother and one of her stepsisters after her dad dies. The crystal slippers actually are based on the shoes that belong to Danielle's MissingMom and the PimpedOutDress was made by humans, not by magic. There's no Fairy Godmother... but there ''is'' a CoolOldGuy and sorta Crazy Inventor Godfather, who's none other than ''LeonardoDaVinci''. To go to the Ball, Danielle gets help from her other stepsister Jacqueline as well as the family servants. The Prince, Henry, is a flawed human being with both pros and contras, [[spoiler: and he doesn't take the revelation about Danielle being a "commoner" well, so Leonardo has to give him a harsh pep talk before he goes apologize to her.]]

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* ''Film/EverAfter'' does this for the "Literature/{{Cinderella}}" fairytale, the story in a somewhat more down to Earth environment devoid of external magic. The Cinderella character is Danielle, a French noblewoman [[FallenPrincess who's reduced to servanthood]] by her stepmother and one of her stepsisters after her dad dies. The crystal slippers actually are based on the shoes that belong to Danielle's MissingMom and the PimpedOutDress was made by humans, not by magic. There's no Fairy Godmother... but there ''is'' a CoolOldGuy and sorta Crazy Inventor Godfather, who's none other than ''LeonardoDaVinci''.''Creator/LeonardoDaVinci''. To go to the Ball, Danielle gets help from her other stepsister Jacqueline as well as the family servants. The Prince, Henry, is a flawed human being with both pros and contras, [[spoiler: and he doesn't take the revelation about Danielle being a "commoner" well, so Leonardo has to give him a harsh pep talk before he goes apologize to her.]]
22nd Dec '16 8:07:19 PM Doug86
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* ''Film/{{Troy}}'' purposefully strips out the prominent supernatural elements of the original poems -- or [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane renders them ambiguous]]. The gods are never seen, and never act, despite their large roles as {{Physical God}}s in {{Homer}}s telling. Achilles is a NayTheist who pooh-poohs the gods at every turn. Hector, of all people, paraphrases Stalin: "How many battalions does the sun god command?" The priest of Apollo acts as an inverted Cassandra -- he always gives exactly the wrong advice and is always believed.

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* ''Film/{{Troy}}'' purposefully strips out the prominent supernatural elements of the original poems -- or [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane renders them ambiguous]]. The gods are never seen, and never act, despite their large roles as {{Physical God}}s in {{Homer}}s Creator/{{Homer}}s telling. Achilles is a NayTheist who pooh-poohs the gods at every turn. Hector, of all people, paraphrases Stalin: "How many battalions does the sun god command?" The priest of Apollo acts as an inverted Cassandra -- he always gives exactly the wrong advice and is always believed.
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