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17th Apr '18 6:41:13 PM Rymyll_the_Wanderer
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** Additionally VideoGame/{{WizardryTaleOfTheForsakenLand}} added a new way to lose a character permanently. A character who died while possessed by the reaper would lose his soul immediately. While the reaper could be evaded fairly easily, some doors could only be seen let alone entered if a party member was possessed. Valuable and unique loot were hidden behind these doors, making this a very real threat.
14th Apr '18 1:16:20 PM nighttrainfm
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* In Creator/TerryPratchett's ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' book ''Witches Abroad'', a village-raiding vampire is hit by a thrown garlic sausage while in bat form and, while stunned, eaten by Nanny Ogg's cat Greebo. The narration later mentions that while vampires have risen from the grave before, none have ever risen from the cat.

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* In Creator/TerryPratchett's ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' book ''Witches Abroad'', ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'':
** In ''Discworld/WitchesAbroad'',
a village-raiding vampire is hit by a thrown garlic sausage while in bat form and, while stunned, eaten by Nanny Ogg's cat Greebo. The narration later mentions that while vampires have risen from the grave before, none have ever risen from the cat.
7th Mar '18 9:15:48 AM Sally777
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* ''VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}'' punches Jubileus' soul into the sun, and as of VideoGame/Bayonetta2 [[spoiler: Loptr]] is rendered as this after suffering a massive beatdown, having his body devoured by Gommorah, trying to escape but then [[spoiler: Young!Balder]] containing him within himself before he returns to the 1400s. [[spoiler: The scene at the beginning of Bayonetta 2 is Loptr trying to escape from Balder, but Balder [[TakingYouWithMe keeps him inside until the moment they die so Loptr will definitely die]] with him.]]

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* ''VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}'' punches Jubileus' soul into the sun, sun and as annihilates the body to rubble. As of VideoGame/Bayonetta2 [[spoiler: Loptr]] is rendered as this after suffering a massive beatdown, getting his body punched from his soul and then having his said body devoured by Gommorah, trying to escape but then [[spoiler: Young!Balder]] containing him within himself before he returns to the 1400s. [[spoiler: The scene at the beginning of Bayonetta 2 is Loptr trying to escape from Balder, but Balder [[TakingYouWithMe keeps him inside until the moment they die so Loptr will definitely die]] with him.]]
7th Mar '18 9:05:47 AM Sally777
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* ''VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}'' punches Jubileus' soul into the sun.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}'' punches Jubileus' soul into the sun.sun, and as of VideoGame/Bayonetta2 [[spoiler: Loptr]] is rendered as this after suffering a massive beatdown, having his body devoured by Gommorah, trying to escape but then [[spoiler: Young!Balder]] containing him within himself before he returns to the 1400s. [[spoiler: The scene at the beginning of Bayonetta 2 is Loptr trying to escape from Balder, but Balder [[TakingYouWithMe keeps him inside until the moment they die so Loptr will definitely die]] with him.]]
6th Mar '18 6:27:32 AM Sunflorazumarill
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* In ''FanFic/Zero2ARevision'', there are currently 2 possible ways to truly kill a Digimon, either destroy their soul [[spoiler: like Belialmyotismon did with Piedmon, and (Wargreymon)]] or for those that have a human partner, kill them which will result in the Digimon losing their spirit and committing suicide. Either way, while their bodies will always be reborn at the Primary Village, they won't be the same Digimon as before in their life.

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* In ''FanFic/Zero2ARevision'', there are currently 2 possible ways to truly kill a Digimon, either destroy their soul [[spoiler: like Belialmyotismon did with Piedmon, and (Wargreymon)]] Piedmon (and Wargreymon)]]. or for those that have a human partner, kill them which will result in the Digimon losing their spirit and committing suicide. Either way, while their bodies will always be reborn at the Primary Village, they won't be the same Digimon as before in their life.


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* In the backstory of the SyFy Channel Original Movie ''The Fallen Ones'', after TheGreatFlood wiped out all giants (which were the product of breeding between angels and humans), {{God}} decreed that there would be no more giants. At one point after, [[BigBad Amon]], a fallen angel, hooked up with a human woman, but the resulting child was human, indicating that when God said there would be "no more giants", he meant it. Unfortunately, Amon had an giant son of his mummified along with four others before the flood and plans on resurrecting them, undoing God's decree.
20th Feb '18 2:24:06 PM Fireblood
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* ''Literature/VillainsByNecessity'': In order to ensure that someone ''stays'' dead (given that powerful healers are able to resurrect them), assassins will burn the body or cut out their heart. Sam's done about a dozen "permanent" assassinations.

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* ''Literature/VillainsByNecessity'': In order to ensure that someone ''stays'' dead (given that powerful healers are able to resurrect them), assassins will burn the body body, take off the head or cut out their heart. Sam's done about a dozen "permanent" assassinations.hits.
19th Feb '18 9:51:22 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* One of the sample game modules for the tabletop game version of ''Literature/FightingFantasy'' deconstructs this in their description of the final battle against the GenreSavvy BigBad. They state that the BigBad realised that when black magicians set things up so that they can only be killed in one very specific way, that specific way always seems to be [[WeaksauceWeakness really easy to do]] if you know the secret. As a result he simply augmented himself to have SuperToughness instead.

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* One of the sample game modules for the tabletop game version of ''Literature/FightingFantasy'' deconstructs this in their description of the final battle against the GenreSavvy BigBad. They state that the BigBad realised that when black magicians set things up so that they can only be killed in one very specific way, that specific way always seems to be [[WeaksauceWeakness really easy to do]] if you know the secret. As a result he simply augmented himself to have SuperToughness instead.
12th Feb '18 1:34:54 AM jormis29
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* ''Film/TheMummyTrilogy.'' In the [[Film/TheMummy1999 first movie]], the heroes spend a lot of time trying to find a way to kill off the undead High Priest Imhotep (played by Arnold Vosloo) for good. Not an easy task, since the mummy's body is virtually indestructible (when O'Connell cuts off Imhotep's arm, he merely puts it back on and it fuses instantly) and he can become invulnerable by transforming into a whirlwind of sand. In the end, the heroes perform an old Egyptian spell to split off the immortal part of the mummy's soul from the rest (in Egyptian belief, everyone had three souls) which is dragged into the Underworld. Afterwards, Imhotep, while still being undead, is now mortal and can be killed. Although Imhotep is resurrected and comes back from the dead ''again'' for ''Film/TheMummyReturns'' and only finds permanent rest at the end of the second movie. (The [[Film/TheMummyTombOfTheDragonEmperor third movie]] involves a different mummy.)

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* ''Film/TheMummyTrilogy.'' In the [[Film/TheMummy1999 first movie]], the heroes spend a lot of time trying to find a way to kill off the undead High Priest Imhotep (played by Arnold Vosloo) for good. Not an easy task, since the mummy's body is virtually indestructible (when O'Connell cuts off Imhotep's arm, he merely puts it back on and it fuses instantly) and he can become invulnerable by transforming into a whirlwind of sand. In the end, the heroes perform an old Egyptian spell to split off the immortal part of the mummy's soul from the rest (in Egyptian belief, everyone had three souls) which is dragged into the Underworld. Afterwards, Imhotep, while still being undead, is now mortal and can be killed. Although Imhotep is resurrected and comes back from the dead ''again'' for ''Film/TheMummyReturns'' and only finds permanent rest at the end of the second movie. (The [[Film/TheMummyTombOfTheDragonEmperor third movie]] involves a different mummy.)
11th Feb '18 8:25:23 PM BobRiddle
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The actual implementation of a Deader Than Dead varies: Sometimes it requires killing more than one component of the target (often its [[OurSoulsAreDifferent soul]] ''and'' its body at the same time). Sometimes it requires following the dead to the afterlife and killing them ''there''. Sometimes it involves [[CruelAndUnusualDeath tons and tons of Maximum Overkill]] that reduces the villain to a [[ChunkySalsaRule fine paste]]. Sometimes it involves [[NoManOfWomanBorn having to kill them]] [[AchillesHeel in a]] [[KryptoniteFactor special]] [[SoulJar way]], or [[WeaponOfXSlaying with a particular weapon]]. And sometimes some alternative to death (sometimes a "FateWorseThanDeath") has to be found. For demons and the like, the latter often means "sealing" them somewhere, though more often than not, this is just a surefire way to end up with SealedEvilInACan. YourSoulIsMine is an uncommon way of ensuring total death as well--pulling someone's literal life force out of their body and eating or smashing it is a good way to ensure that they're never coming back. On the other hand, if it's a story where resurrection requires a (mostly) intact body, it's simply a matter of making sure the body isn't intact.

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The actual implementation of a Deader Than Dead varies: Sometimes it requires killing more than one component of the target (often its [[OurSoulsAreDifferent soul]] ''and'' its body at the same time). Sometimes it requires following the dead to the afterlife and killing them ''there''. Sometimes it involves [[CruelAndUnusualDeath tons and tons of Maximum Overkill]] that reduces the villain to a [[ChunkySalsaRule fine paste]]. Sometimes it involves [[NoManOfWomanBorn having to kill them]] [[AchillesHeel in a]] [[KryptoniteFactor special]] [[SoulJar way]], or [[WeaponOfXSlaying with a particular weapon]]. Sometimes it involves [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons a sworn affidavit declaring they will never return]]. And sometimes some alternative to death (sometimes a "FateWorseThanDeath") has to be found. For demons and the like, the latter often means "sealing" them somewhere, though more often than not, this is just a surefire way to end up with SealedEvilInACan. YourSoulIsMine is an uncommon way of ensuring total death as well--pulling someone's literal life force out of their body and eating or smashing it is a good way to ensure that they're never coming back. On the other hand, if it's a story where resurrection requires a (mostly) intact body, it's simply a matter of making sure the body isn't intact.
5th Feb '18 8:28:19 AM RJP
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* ''Literature/VillainsByNecessity'': In order to insure that someone ''stays'' dead (given that powerful healers are able to resurrect them), assassins will burn the body or cut out their heart. Sam's done about a dozen "permanent" assassinations.

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* ''Literature/VillainsByNecessity'': In order to insure ensure that someone ''stays'' dead (given that powerful healers are able to resurrect them), assassins will burn the body or cut out their heart. Sam's done about a dozen "permanent" assassinations.
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