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29th Apr '16 12:09:35 PM Jeduthun
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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information-theoretic_death Information-theoretic death]], defined loosely as "so dead that not even hypothetical future technology can bring you back". This is as opposed to clinical death, which is defined as a lack of breathing or heartbeat, and can and has been reversed. Which brings an interesting question barring aside belief in souls: if one we were able to reverse even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_death brain death]] and/or bring back people who were [[HumanPopsicle frozen]] waiting for that future technology that revived them, would that person be the same one who died or would he/she be a new one with the memories, etc. of the deceased self?

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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information-theoretic_death Information-theoretic death]], defined loosely as "so dead that not even hypothetical future technology can bring you back". This is as opposed to clinical death, which is defined as a lack of breathing or heartbeat, and can and has been reversed. Which brings an interesting question barring aside belief in souls: if one we were able to reverse even [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_death brain death]] and/or bring back people who were [[HumanPopsicle frozen]] waiting for that future technology that revived them, [[TheseusShipParadox would that person be the same one who died died]] or would he/she be a new one with the memories, etc. of the deceased self?



* AntiMatter. Should it come into contact with its regular conterpart, both will be rendered annihilated, outright violating the law of conservation of mass.[[note]]But not violating the law of conservation of mass/energy you see, E=mc
means that the mass is simply converted into energy, or in layman's terms: Kaboom[[/note]] Which means both will cease to exist.

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* AntiMatter. Should it come into contact with its regular conterpart, both will be rendered annihilated, outright violating the law of conservation of mass.[[note]]But not violating the law of conservation of mass/energy you see, E=mc
E=mc^2 means that the mass is simply converted into energy, or in layman's terms: Kaboom[[/note]] Which means both will cease to exist.
29th Apr '16 3:07:44 AM Vorpale
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* In ''Videogame/{{Iji}}'', former Tasen leader [[BadAss Hel]] [[ActionGirl Sarie]] was ''completely disintegrated'', [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill along with her whole spaceship]], when the latter was hit by a [[spoiler: Komato]] [[WaveMotionGun Phantom Hammer]]. [[spoiler: If you let [[FinalBoss General Tor]] charge his weapons three times during the final fight against him and fail to dodge, it ''will'' happen to [[PlayerCharacter Iji]] as well.]]
25th Apr '16 12:06:01 AM Divra
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* Played straight in a slightly weird way in the third ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'' book, in which an evil (and apparently quite dead) sorcerer's nasty leftover rage manifests as a ghost that wreaks havoc on the folks he blames for his defeat, and anyone close to them. ** This is further explored in ''Ghost Story''. Ghosts are spiritual copies of the deceased, formed and powered by their memories. A sufficiently powerful ghost can use memories to augment their abilities or manifest into a physical form. This is essentially CastFromHitPoints, however, and a ghost who uses up too much of their memories can become a [[FateWorseThanDeath Wraith]]--a mindless being that feeds on other ghosts' memories- or cease to exist entirely.
** Also, Kemmler.

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* Played straight in a slightly weird way in the third ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'' book, in which an evil (and apparently quite dead) sorcerer's nasty leftover rage manifests as a ghost that wreaks havoc on the folks he blames for his defeat, and anyone close to them.
** This is further explored in ''Ghost Story''. Ghosts are spiritual copies of the deceased, formed and powered by their memories. A sufficiently powerful ghost can use memories to augment their abilities or manifest into a physical form. This is essentially CastFromHitPoints, however, and a ghost who uses up too much of their memories can become a [[FateWorseThanDeath Wraith]]--a mindless being that feeds on other ghosts' memories- or cease to exist entirely.
** Also, Kemmler. To elaborate, Heinrich Kemmler was a necromancer of near-divine power and possibly more evil than Satan (WorldWarOne is was only one of the atrocities he instigated, and implied not to be one of the worst ones). The White Council killed him six times, and confirmed it, boot on body, every time. None of this was more than a minor inconvenience. However, the seventh time stuck, and Heinrich Kemmler is, per WordOfGod, finally and irrevocably dead.
14th Apr '16 11:41:59 AM Jake
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* The world of ''Literature/TheVorkosiganSaga'' has [[HumanPopsicle cryopreservation]] and other medical technology good enough that if a field medic can get there in time then it's possible to survive almost anything except [[RemovingTheHeadOrDestroyingTheBrain catastrophic brain injuries]]. ''Possible'', not guaranteed, because there's several ways the process can go wrong if performed in haste.
6th Apr '16 2:47:34 PM YTDN
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** Demons will simply respawn back in the Nether if killed in the physical world, they have to be killed in the Nether itself to end them personally.
5th Apr '16 2:56:11 AM Vir
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** Another way to terminate a Transformer with extreme prejudice? ''Rip out its spine'' and use the barely-recognizable carcass to whack another enemy over the head. That's the aforementioned kitty's fate in the Film/Transformers series. And in the movieverse, DeathIsCheap is averted; so far, everyone who looked dead ''was'' dead if you didn't apply Allspark energy. But no, Ravage lives on in the comics (though his death and mysterious return were acknowledged, and Soundwave can't sense him anymore, meaning it's less UnexplainedRecovery and more "[=someone/something=] brought him back but ''not'' as he was before.") But in all these cases, the original writer wanted the characters capital-D Dead, took steps to show us that yes, this is death-death and not "Waspinator kablooification of the week..." and underestimated the ability of writers to follow to ''easily'' think of a way around it. The FirstLawOfResurrection will not be denied.

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** Another way to terminate a Transformer with extreme prejudice? ''Rip out its spine'' and use the barely-recognizable carcass to whack another enemy over the head. That's the aforementioned kitty's fate in the Film/Transformers series.[[Film/{{Transformers}} live-action film series]]. And in the movieverse, DeathIsCheap is averted; so far, everyone who looked dead ''was'' dead if you didn't apply Allspark energy. But no, Ravage lives on in the comics (though his death and mysterious return were acknowledged, and Soundwave can't sense him anymore, meaning it's less UnexplainedRecovery and more "[=someone/something=] brought him back but ''not'' as he was before.") But in all these cases, the original writer wanted the characters capital-D Dead, took steps to show us that yes, this is death-death and not "Waspinator kablooification of the week..." and underestimated the ability of writers to follow to ''easily'' think of a way around it. The FirstLawOfResurrection will not be denied.
4th Apr '16 8:18:17 PM Sapphirea2
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** Series 9 has Clara Oswald's lifeforce/soul ripped from her body at the end of "Face the Raven", making for the first companion death in the series since Adric 30+ years ago. (This was after she'd cheated death ''many'' times over two-and-a-half seasons, even surviving entering the Doctor's timestream, though her many "echoes" through time and space that came out of the process were not so lucky.) That Clara ''cannot'' be brought back without creating a dangerous paradox becomes a catalyst for the Doctor's out-of-character behavior in the following, final two episodes of the season.

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** Series 9 has Clara Oswald's lifeforce/soul ripped from her body at the end of "Face the Raven", making for the first companion death in the series since Adric 30+ years ago. (This was after she'd cheated death ''many'' times over two-and-a-half seasons, even surviving entering the Doctor's timestream, though her many "echoes" through time and space that came out of the process were not so lucky.) That ) Clara ''cannot'' '''cannot''' be brought back without creating a dangerous paradox becomes a catalyst for -- but the Doctor's Doctor is subsequently DrivenToMadness by grief, rage, and torture, and his resultant out-of-character behavior in the following, final two episodes of the season.season sees him try to do so anyway by pulling her from time at the moment she died (before her last heartbeat). In the end -- though he doesn't know it, having realized he must give her up for good ''and'' lost his key memories of her appearances, etc. -- Clara is now OnlyMostlyDead but the fact of her death has '''not''' actually changed. She must return to the fatal moment eventually lest time and space be undone, but so long as she does that, she has "wiggle room" to have further adventures on her own.
26th Mar '16 6:37:28 PM AJSthe2nd
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** Digimon killed in the physical world cannot be reborn as Digieggs as their data is locked out of the digiworld where they would need to go to do so. However if Wizardmon is any indication they aren't forever lost either, as he lingers around in the area he died as a kind of digital "Ghost"
23rd Mar '16 11:58:29 AM Jhonny
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* AntiMatter. Should it come into contact with its regular conterpart, both will be rendered annihilated, outright violating the law of conservation of mass. Which means both will cease to exist.

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* AntiMatter. Should it come into contact with its regular conterpart, both will be rendered annihilated, outright violating the law of conservation of mass. Which means both will cease to exist.[[note]]But not violating the law of conservation of mass/energy you see, E=mc
9th Mar '16 7:37:11 PM FoolsEditAccount
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* Magic Man's wife Margles in ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'', who was "taken away" by an EldritchAbomination. Even a wish from RealityWarper Prismo can't bring her back, which shocks even him.
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