History Main / CulturalPosturing

22nd May '17 7:47:30 AM BeerBaron
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* In''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series, [[OurElvesAreBetter both the High Elves and Dark Elves]] go on about their superiority at every chance they get. In addition, the Empire sometimes inspires this sort of behavior for the Cyrodiilic-dominated ''Imperial'' culture - and not always by Imperials, either.
** High elves' posturing is partly justified, as they're implied to have been the only race that ever understood what the hell the [[MadScientist dwarves]] were ever talking about. Also, they're a CrystalSpiresAndTogas race, one of whose orders of monks can vanish (possibly in the same way as the aforementioned dwarves did, accidentally) ''at will'', along with their island, and reappear when they feel the need. Finally, their pantheon is [[AGodAmI the same thing as their genealogy]]. ''Provably''. Nevertheless, they don't really need to be such dicks about it.
** In Skyrim, the High Elves have also (in the aftermath of the Oblivion Crisis) been taken over by an elf-supremacist ideology called the Thalmor, who, being ancestor-worshiping arch-nationalists from an island chain who style themselves the protectors of their neighbors (read: subjects) on the mainland... are basically [[PuttingOnTheReich Imperial Japan]]. Except they ban the worship of their opponents' first god-emperor, not the other way around.
*** It happens a lot with Imperials or Empire-loyalists towards the local Nords, who love to point out how their [[UsefulNotes/TheGloryThatWasRome glorious cosmopolitan empire]] is superior to the barbaric, frozen wilderness of Skyrim. Note that this isn't FantasticRacism because it's the Nord culture that is looked down upon, not the actual Nord race, though you'd be forgiven for pointing out that this is a distinction without a difference. Best summed up by General Tullius, the military governor in charge of bringing Skyrim back under Imperial control;

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* In''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series, ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
** The
[[OurElvesAreBetter both Altmer (High Elves)]] take the High Elves and Dark Elves]] go on about their superiority at every chance they get. In addition, cake as the Empire sometimes inspires this sort of behavior for the Cyrodiilic-dominated ''Imperial'' haughtiest culture - and not always by Imperials, either.
** High elves' posturing is partly justified, as they're implied to have been the only
in Tamriel. They are a tall, golden-skinned race that ever understood what of Mer with [[WitchSpecies exceptional natural aptitude for magic]] and are responsible for much of Tamriel's art, science, philosophy, language and religion, fitting squarely within the hell the [[MadScientist dwarves]] were ever talking about. Also, they're a idea of CrystalSpiresAndTogas race, one as a race. They are the direct descendants of whose orders the Aldmer ({{Precursors}} to all modern races of monks can vanish (possibly Mer) and consider the other races of Mer as a result of "degeneration" over the ages. (And don't even bother trying to bring up the races of Men...) Their religious beliefs state that they are the true descendants of the Aedra ("Our Ancestors" in old [[ConLang Aldmeris]]), the deities who aided in the same way creation of the mortal world, known as Mundus. They believe the creation of Mundus was a cruel trick on the part of the [[GodIsDead dead creator god]], Lorkhan, which robbed their divine ancestors of their pre-creation divinity, forcing them to experience mortal suffering, loss, and death. And [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch while there are exceptions]], most Altmer are proud to bring up any of the aforementioned dwarves did, accidentally) ''at will'', along with facts whenever they get the chance. Their culture did suffer a BreakTheHaughty moment in the late 2nd Era, when [[TheEmperor Tiber Septim]] used the [[OurDwarvesAreDifferent Dwemer]]-constructed [[HumongousMecha Numidium]] to deal the Altmer a CurbStompBattle defeat in which their island, and reappear when they feel capital city was sacked in less than hour, forcing them to join an Empire of Men by conquest for the need. Finally, first time in their pantheon is [[AGodAmI history. When the same thing as their genealogy]]. ''Provably''. Nevertheless, they don't really need to be such dicks about it.
** In Skyrim,
Septim Dynasty ended at the High Elves have also (in the aftermath start of the Oblivion Crisis) been taken over by an elf-supremacist ideology called 4th Era, the Thalmor, who, being ancestor-worshiping arch-nationalists from Altmer rose once again under the leadership of the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName extremist Thalmor]], reforming the [[AntiHumanAlliance Aldmeri Dominion]] of old.
** The Dunmer (Dark Elves) were not far behind their Altmer cousins in terms of haughtiness at their cultural height. They were
an island chain extremely xenophobic race who style hated outlanders within their homeland of Morrowind, but had no issue with raiding Black Marsh or Elsweyr to take [[LizardFolk Argonian]] and [[CatFolk Khajiiti]] slaves. The Tribunal Temple, which by the 3rd Era had become a shining example of a CorruptChurch full of [[KnightTemplar Knights Templar]] who followed their {{Physical God}}s (the Tribunal) to a fault. Hypocrisy was rampant in their culture where, for instance, they would sic their ChurchPolice on anyone accused of practicing necromancy with orders to kill on sight, while the Dunmer themselves would summon the protectors bodies and spirits of their neighbors (read: subjects) on the mainland... are basically [[PuttingOnTheReich Imperial Japan]]. Except ancestors for protection, considering it a "holy act" when they ban do it. However, the worship events of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'', the [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion Crisis]], the [[ColonyDrop Red]] [[ChekhovsVolcano Year]], and finally the [[TheDogBitesBack Argonian Invasion]] were a major BreakTheHaughty series of events for the Dunmer. Their homeland was choked with volcanic ash and the still-habitable parts were under the control of their opponents' first god-emperor, not long-time SlaveRace, forcing the other way around.
*** It happens a lot with
Dunmer people to flee to the frozen, barren island of Solstheim and to Skyrim, where they are treated as second-class citizens (at best) by the native, [[FantasticRacism Elf-hating]] [[HornyVikings Nords]].
** The
Imperials of Cyrodiil have displayed this whenever they have been leading their various empires which have spanned most or Empire-loyalists towards all of Tamriel. As they conquer new lands, they have traditionally enforced their rather liberal Imperial values, including [[ProudMerchantRace a heavy focus on mercantilism and trade]] as well as significant religious tolerance, believing them to be superior to the local Nords, who "barbaric" cultures they are replacing and leading to plenty of CultureClash. (Given that a lot of the cultures they have replaced were rife with [[FantasticRacism racism]], classism, and every other negative "-ism" you can think of, they weren't entirely un{{justified}} in this belief.) Following the fall of the Septim Dynasty's Third Empire, as seen in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]'', this is happening quite a bit toward the Nords. The Imperials love to point out how their [[UsefulNotes/TheGloryThatWasRome glorious cosmopolitan empire]] is superior to the barbaric, frozen wilderness of Skyrim. Note that this isn't FantasticRacism because it's the Nord culture that is looked down upon, not the actual Nord race, though you'd be forgiven for pointing out that this is a distinction without a difference. Best summed up by General Tullius, the military governor in charge of bringing Skyrim back under Imperial control;



** Alduin and most of the Dragons often seem to invoke this towards the Dragonborn. It's shown that they view the protagonist as their equivalent of a HumanoidAbomination, repeatedly [[EvilGloating berating]] them for having the sheer audacity to take the name of "[[YouAreTheTranslatedForeignWord Dovahkiin]]" for themselves, despite the fact they are clearly ''[[NoTrueScotsman not]]'' a true member of "[[OurDragonsAreDifferent Dragonkind]]".

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** Alduin [[BeastOfTheApocalypse Alduin]] and most of the Dragons ("Dov") often seem to invoke this towards the Dragonborn. It's shown that they view the protagonist Dragonborn as their equivalent of a HumanoidAbomination, repeatedly [[EvilGloating berating]] them for having the sheer audacity to take the name of "[[YouAreTheTranslatedForeignWord Dovahkiin]]" for themselves, despite the fact they are clearly ''[[NoTrueScotsman not]]'' a true member of "[[OurDragonsAreDifferent Dragonkind]]".
13th May '17 5:33:23 AM CalamityRaven26
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* Despite being accused of this, FireEmblemFates actually ''subverts'' this trope. The game gives the impression that the "peace-loving" kingdom of Hoshido is morally perfect and can do no wrong, while the "glory-seeking" kingdom of Nohr are belligerent and war-mongering. The truth is complicated. [[GreyAndGrayMorality Really complicated.]] Despite having a clear darkness motif going on, most of Nohr is a case of DarkIsNotEvil, with the vast majority of Nohrian being decent people, and the insanity of King Garon being justified [[spoiler:since he's being possessed by Anankos, a literal GodOfEvil]]. While the light-themed Hoshido is also morally-benevolent, especially [[TheHighQueen the benevolent Mikoto]], after [[spoiler:her demise]], [[LightIsNotGood you begin to see a much more belligerent and aggressive side of Hoshido, clearly not being above using]] FantasticSlurs [[LightIsNotGood for the Nohrians, and in Conquest]], [[spoiler:''[[LightIsNotGood nearly destroying a peaceful Nohrian port town out of retribution.]]]] Even though the {{Wutai}} Hoshido being a light kingdom is definitely worth raising a eyebrow at, it's definitely ''not'' perfect, nor is the dark Nohr necessarily evil 100%.

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* Despite being accused of this, FireEmblemFates actually ''subverts'' this trope. The game gives the impression that the "peace-loving" kingdom of Hoshido is morally perfect and can do no wrong, while the "glory-seeking" kingdom of Nohr are belligerent and war-mongering. The truth is complicated. [[GreyAndGrayMorality Really complicated.]] Despite having a clear darkness motif going on, most of Nohr is a case of DarkIsNotEvil, with the vast majority of Nohrian being decent people, and the insanity of King Garon being justified [[spoiler:since he's being possessed by Anankos, a literal GodOfEvil]]. While the light-themed Hoshido is also morally-benevolent, especially [[TheHighQueen the benevolent Mikoto]], after [[spoiler:her demise]], [[LightIsNotGood you begin to see a much more belligerent and aggressive side of Hoshido, clearly not being above using]] FantasticSlurs [[LightIsNotGood for the Nohrians, and in Conquest]], [[spoiler:''[[LightIsNotGood nearly destroying a peaceful Nohrian port town out of retribution.]]]] ]]]]'' Even though the {{Wutai}} Hoshido being a light kingdom is definitely worth raising a eyebrow at, it's definitely ''not'' perfect, nor is the dark Nohr necessarily evil 100%.
13th May '17 5:32:48 AM CalamityRaven26
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* Despite being accused of this, FireEmblemFates actually ''subverts'' this trope. The game gives the impression that the "peace-loving" kingdom of Hoshido is morally perfect and can do no wrong, while the "glory-seeking" kingdom of Nohr are belligerent and war-mongering. The truth is complicated. [[GreyAndGrayMorality Really complicated.]] Despite having a clear darkness motif going on, most of Nohr is a case of DarkIsNotEvil, with the vast majority of Nohrian being decent people, and the insanity of King Garon being justified [[spoiler:since he's being possessed by Anankos, a literal GodOfEvil]]. While the light-themed Hoshido is also morally-benevolent, especially [[TheHighQueen the benevolent Mikoto]], after [[spoiler:her demise]], [[LightIsNotGood you begin to see a much more belligerent and aggressive side of Hoshido, clearly not being above using]] FantasticSlurs [[LightIsNotGood for the Nohrians, and in Conquest]], ''[[spoiler:LightIsNotGood nearly destroying a peaceful Nohrian port town out of retribution.]] Even though the {{Wutai}} Hoshido being a light kingdom is definitely worth raising a eyebrow at, it's definitely ''not'' perfect, nor is the dark Nohr necessarily evil 100%.

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* Despite being accused of this, FireEmblemFates actually ''subverts'' this trope. The game gives the impression that the "peace-loving" kingdom of Hoshido is morally perfect and can do no wrong, while the "glory-seeking" kingdom of Nohr are belligerent and war-mongering. The truth is complicated. [[GreyAndGrayMorality Really complicated.]] Despite having a clear darkness motif going on, most of Nohr is a case of DarkIsNotEvil, with the vast majority of Nohrian being decent people, and the insanity of King Garon being justified [[spoiler:since he's being possessed by Anankos, a literal GodOfEvil]]. While the light-themed Hoshido is also morally-benevolent, especially [[TheHighQueen the benevolent Mikoto]], after [[spoiler:her demise]], [[LightIsNotGood you begin to see a much more belligerent and aggressive side of Hoshido, clearly not being above using]] FantasticSlurs [[LightIsNotGood for the Nohrians, and in Conquest]], ''[[spoiler:LightIsNotGood [[spoiler:''[[LightIsNotGood nearly destroying a peaceful Nohrian port town out of retribution.]] ]]]] Even though the {{Wutai}} Hoshido being a light kingdom is definitely worth raising a eyebrow at, it's definitely ''not'' perfect, nor is the dark Nohr necessarily evil 100%.
13th May '17 5:32:15 AM CalamityRaven26
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* Despite being accused of this, FireEmblemFates actually ''subverts'' this trope. The game gives the impression that the "peace-loving" kingdom of Hoshido is morally perfect and can do no wrong, while the "glory-seeking" kingdom of Nohr are belligerent and war-mongering. The truth is complicated. [[GreyAndGrayMorality Really complicated.]] Despite having a clear darkness motif going on, most of Nohr is a case of DarkIsNotEvil, with the vast majority of Nohrian being decent people, and the insanity of King Garon being justified [[spoiler:since he's being possessed by Anankos, a literal GodOfEvil]]. While the light-themed Hoshido is also morally-benevolent, especially [[TheHighQueen the benevolent Mikoto]], after [[spoiler:her demise]], [[LightIsNotGood you begin to see a much more belligerent and aggressive side of Hoshido, clearly not being above using FantasticSlurs for the Nohrians, and in Conquest]], ''[[LightIsNotGood nearly destroying a peaceful Nohrian port town out of retribution.]] Even though the {{Wutai}} Hoshido being a light kingdom is definitely worth raising a eyebrow at, it's definitely ''not'' perfect, nor is the dark Nohr necessarily evil 100%.

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* Despite being accused of this, FireEmblemFates actually ''subverts'' this trope. The game gives the impression that the "peace-loving" kingdom of Hoshido is morally perfect and can do no wrong, while the "glory-seeking" kingdom of Nohr are belligerent and war-mongering. The truth is complicated. [[GreyAndGrayMorality Really complicated.]] Despite having a clear darkness motif going on, most of Nohr is a case of DarkIsNotEvil, with the vast majority of Nohrian being decent people, and the insanity of King Garon being justified [[spoiler:since he's being possessed by Anankos, a literal GodOfEvil]]. While the light-themed Hoshido is also morally-benevolent, especially [[TheHighQueen the benevolent Mikoto]], after [[spoiler:her demise]], [[LightIsNotGood you begin to see a much more belligerent and aggressive side of Hoshido, clearly not being above using using]] FantasticSlurs [[LightIsNotGood for the Nohrians, and in Conquest]], ''[[LightIsNotGood ''[[spoiler:LightIsNotGood nearly destroying a peaceful Nohrian port town out of retribution.]] Even though the {{Wutai}} Hoshido being a light kingdom is definitely worth raising a eyebrow at, it's definitely ''not'' perfect, nor is the dark Nohr necessarily evil 100%.
13th May '17 5:31:22 AM CalamityRaven26
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* VideoGame/FireEmblemFates has been acused of this. Of the two factions in this Japanese-made game, the Japanese-inspired Hoshido are peace-loving and only trying to defend themselves from the invasion of the warlike, ambitious, and obviously European-inspired Nohrnote And while the Playable Nohrian characters are seen as sympathetic even if Nohr isn't the chosen route, their route is mostly the "evil campaign," with the "revolution" only coming into play at the end, and on the wrong end of some serious Story Branch Favoritism. On top of that, it turns out the generous Hoshidan royals would have gladly shared the resources whose absence kicked off Garon's war in the first place, meaning Nohr's original reasons for attacking were pointless from square one, and making their leadership come off as too stupid and aggressive for even the most basic of diplomacy. Such a plot point also necessitates the contrivance that Hoshido's government somehow never realizes Nohr has these problems until near the end of Birthright, despite having regular contact with Nohr in the form of spies, scouts, immigrants, assassins, and members and servants of the royal family for years. This is averted with the minor Fuuma nation, however.

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* VideoGame/FireEmblemFates has been acused Despite being accused of this. Of the two factions in this, FireEmblemFates actually ''subverts'' this Japanese-made game, trope. The game gives the Japanese-inspired impression that the "peace-loving" kingdom of Hoshido are peace-loving is morally perfect and only trying to defend themselves from the invasion of the warlike, ambitious, and obviously European-inspired Nohrnote And can do no wrong, while the Playable Nohrian characters are seen as sympathetic even if "glory-seeking" kingdom of Nohr isn't the chosen route, their route are belligerent and war-mongering. The truth is mostly the "evil campaign," complicated. [[GreyAndGrayMorality Really complicated.]] Despite having a clear darkness motif going on, most of Nohr is a case of DarkIsNotEvil, with the "revolution" only coming into play at vast majority of Nohrian being decent people, and the end, and on insanity of King Garon being justified [[spoiler:since he's being possessed by Anankos, a literal GodOfEvil]]. While the wrong end of some serious Story Branch Favoritism. On top of that, it turns out light-themed Hoshido is also morally-benevolent, especially [[TheHighQueen the generous Hoshidan royals would have gladly shared the resources whose absence kicked off Garon's war in the first place, meaning Nohr's original reasons for attacking were pointless from square one, and making their leadership come off as too stupid benevolent Mikoto]], after [[spoiler:her demise]], [[LightIsNotGood you begin to see a much more belligerent and aggressive side of Hoshido, clearly not being above using FantasticSlurs for even the most basic Nohrians, and in Conquest]], ''[[LightIsNotGood nearly destroying a peaceful Nohrian port town out of diplomacy. Such a plot point also necessitates retribution.]] Even though the contrivance that Hoshido's government somehow never realizes {{Wutai}} Hoshido being a light kingdom is definitely worth raising a eyebrow at, it's definitely ''not'' perfect, nor is the dark Nohr has these problems until near the end of Birthright, despite having regular contact with Nohr in the form of spies, scouts, immigrants, assassins, and members and servants of the royal family for years. This is averted with the minor Fuuma nation, however.necessarily evil 100%.
9th May '17 10:22:49 PM Blackie62
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* During a debate in the British Parliament, a young UsefulNotes/BenjaminDisraeli was heckled with the cry of "Jew! Jew!". He replied "My people were kings and princes, when yours were galley slaves." (For the record, he's giving a bit of a RoseTintedNarrative -- the Kingdom of Judah also eventually became a Roman dominion.) In an open letter to the ''Times'' of London he remarked "Yes, I am a Jew and when the ancestors of the right honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon." Since he was talking specifically about the Irish with that quote: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrange Newgrange]]: circa 3200 BC. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon%27s_Temple Solomon's Temple]]: circa mid-900s BCE.

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* During a debate in the British Parliament, a young UsefulNotes/BenjaminDisraeli was heckled with the cry of "Jew! Jew!". He replied "My people were kings and princes, when yours were galley slaves." (For the record, he's giving a bit of a RoseTintedNarrative -- the Kingdom of Judah also eventually became a Roman dominion.) In an open letter to the ''Times'' of London he remarked "Yes, I am a Jew and when the ancestors of the right honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon." Since he was talking specifically about the Irish with that quote: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrange Newgrange]]: circa 3200 BC.BCE. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon%27s_Temple Solomon's Temple]]: circa mid-900s BCE.
9th May '17 5:16:22 PM Blackie62
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* During a debate in the British Parliament, a young UsefulNotes/BenjaminDisraeli was heckled with the cry of "Jew! Jew!". He replied "My people were kings and princes, when yours were galley slaves." (For the record, he's giving a bit of a RoseTintedNarrative -- the Kingdom of Judah also eventually became a Roman dominion.) In an open letter to the ''Times'' of London he remarked "Yes, I am a Jew and when the ancestors of the right honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon." Since he was talking specifically about the Irish with that quote: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrange Newgrange]]: circa 3200 BC. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon%27s_Temple Solomon's Temple]]: circa mid-900s BCE. YMMV?

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* During a debate in the British Parliament, a young UsefulNotes/BenjaminDisraeli was heckled with the cry of "Jew! Jew!". He replied "My people were kings and princes, when yours were galley slaves." (For the record, he's giving a bit of a RoseTintedNarrative -- the Kingdom of Judah also eventually became a Roman dominion.) In an open letter to the ''Times'' of London he remarked "Yes, I am a Jew and when the ancestors of the right honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon." Since he was talking specifically about the Irish with that quote: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrange Newgrange]]: circa 3200 BC. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon%27s_Temple Solomon's Temple]]: circa mid-900s BCE. YMMV?
9th May '17 5:15:25 PM Blackie62
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* During a debate in the British Parliament, a young UsefulNotes/BenjaminDisraeli was heckled with the cry of "Jew! Jew!". He replied "My people were kings and princes, when yours were galley slaves." (For the record, he's giving a bit of a RoseTintedNarrative -- the Kingdom of Judah also eventually became a Roman dominion.) In an open letter to the ''Times'' of London he remarked "Yes, I am a Jew and when the ancestors of the right honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon." Since he was talking specifically about the Irish with that quote: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrange Newgrange]]: circa 3200 BC. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon%27s_Temple Solomon's Temple]]: circa mid-10th century BCE. YMMV?

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* During a debate in the British Parliament, a young UsefulNotes/BenjaminDisraeli was heckled with the cry of "Jew! Jew!". He replied "My people were kings and princes, when yours were galley slaves." (For the record, he's giving a bit of a RoseTintedNarrative -- the Kingdom of Judah also eventually became a Roman dominion.) In an open letter to the ''Times'' of London he remarked "Yes, I am a Jew and when the ancestors of the right honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon." Since he was talking specifically about the Irish with that quote: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrange Newgrange]]: circa 3200 BC. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon%27s_Temple Solomon's Temple]]: circa mid-10th century mid-900s BCE. YMMV?
9th May '17 5:12:14 PM Blackie62
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* During a debate in the British Parliament, a young UsefulNotes/BenjaminDisraeli was heckled with the cry of "Jew! Jew!". He replied "My people were kings and princes, when yours were galley slaves." (For the record, he's giving a bit of a RoseTintedNarrative -- the Kingdom of Judah also eventually became a Roman dominion.) In an open letter to the ''Times'' of London he remarked "Yes, I am a Jew and when the ancestors of the right honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon."

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* During a debate in the British Parliament, a young UsefulNotes/BenjaminDisraeli was heckled with the cry of "Jew! Jew!". He replied "My people were kings and princes, when yours were galley slaves." (For the record, he's giving a bit of a RoseTintedNarrative -- the Kingdom of Judah also eventually became a Roman dominion.) In an open letter to the ''Times'' of London he remarked "Yes, I am a Jew and when the ancestors of the right honorable gentleman were brutal savages in an unknown island, mine were priests in the temple of Solomon." Since he was talking specifically about the Irish with that quote: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrange Newgrange]]: circa 3200 BC. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon%27s_Temple Solomon's Temple]]: circa mid-10th century BCE. YMMV?
23rd Apr '17 10:10:52 AM nombretomado
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* The Morrigi from ''SwordOfTheStars'' are very fond of this. When your species is so old that interstellar traders and explorers from your civilization created the myths of [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Dragons]] in other species in the same galaxy during their stone ages, you may be justified doing it.

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* The Morrigi from ''SwordOfTheStars'' ''VideoGame/SwordOfTheStars'' are very fond of this. When your species is so old that interstellar traders and explorers from your civilization created the myths of [[OurDragonsAreDifferent Dragons]] in other species in the same galaxy during their stone ages, you may be justified doing it.
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