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14th May '13 1:19:20 PM Prfnoff

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** Since Go and Chess are theoretically solvable (the same way Tic-Tac-Toe is solvable), a hypothetical computer which could calculate the optimal strategies could determine who wins when both sides play perfectly. For example, Tic-Tac-Toe can be completely solved by a bright ten year old, so a sufficiently advanced player can quickly learn the optimal strategy. It yields a draw every time. Chess and Go are like Tic-Tac-Toe. When (If!) they are ever solved, the optimal strategies will either be a win for one player or the other, or a draw. Many other games have similarly been solved, such as Connect Four, where perfect play results in player 1 invariably winning and Chopsticks, where player 2 can always win. So when played ''perfectly'', in any game with no random element and a finite number of possible states, there is either no character tiers or a GodTier and a You Lose tier. It may just be beyond our power to calculate out what the optimal strategies are, which is indeed the case for Chess and Go.
*** To elaborate a little bit, Go is typically played on a 19 x 19 board (361 spaces), with each space able to be black, white, or empty. That means that there are a total of approximately 2.08 * 10^170 (yes that is 170 zeroes) legal positions possible in Go. Those legal positions can be reached numerous ways, causing even more calculations necessary every move. Without going into too much detail, with the most powerful computer currently in the world, it would take over 3 days for it to calculate a single move in the opening stages of the game.

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