History Main / CantArgueWithElves

** Played with by Sera in ''Inquisition'', a city elf with [[InternalizedCategorism internalized racism]] who sees all "elfy" elves as automatically haughty bigots while only "non-elfy" elves like her can be accepting and open-minded... and she's framed as indisputably correct. The [[PlayerCharacter Inquisitor]] can never meaningfully counter-argue, and she [[StaticCharacter never changes her stance on it]] (thought becomes less mean-spirited about it in ''Trespasser''). While Solas is also rather bigoted toward most modern elves (particularly the Dalish) due to [[BornInTheWrongCentury prefering ancient Elvhen history and culture]], a Dalish Inquisitor who gains high RelationshipValues can show him there's some value in Dalish culture, while a Low Approval Inquisitor can call him out on his bigoted attitude and [[HypocrisyNod get a grudging agreement]]. Sera gives no such leeway, and in fact [[spoiler:will break up with a romanced Dalish Inquisitor who refuses to agree the elven gods are fake]], and Sera is framed as the victim for it. Also, most of Sera's bigoted and outright ''mean-spirited'' statement about elves ends up being proven correct. ([[spoiler:Like the elven gods being fake, elves being responsible for their own downfall rather than humans, the elven servants in ''Trespasser'' being suspicious, and so on]]).

This species is [[SuperiorSpecies better than you - and just about whatever is not them]]. They are taller, thinner, prettier, more graceful, better-read, more intelligent, more environmentally conscious, more socially progressive, less aggressive or confrontational (while still being fearsome warriors), and better craftspeople, too.

* The mini-series ''ComicBook/{{Marvels}}'' takes the moral that the reason the baseline human population of the Marvelverse resents and protests against its superhuman members is that they're ''jealous'' of their inherent nobility and self-sacrifice, rather than the perfectly understandable fear of having what amounts to physical gods brawling in the street. They also apparently fear being "replaced" by mutants, despite the fact that every human being on Earth is already a mutant, and the only difference is whether or not their X-Gene is activated.
** The "jealousy over inherent moral superiority" thing gets rather ridiculous once the various {{Rogues Galler|y}}ies – which demonstrate quite clearly that "noble" superhumans are quite outnumbered by the less-than-noble ones.
* Similarly the Inhumans are often written as culturally posturing. As an isolationist civilization with similar powers to mutants, uplifted by advanced alien technology centuries before others, they're short on patience with humanity. Even as MainCharacters of their titles and allies in others, they're [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic abrasively standoffish]]. This at least appears cultural, as Inhumans inherited this attitude from the imperialistic and xenophobic Kree and Inhumans raised outside of their culture don't act nearly as superior.

* In the French Comic Book series [[ComicBook/ElfesEtNains Elfes]], the White Elves are presented as better in every way to humans, having a peaceful civilization yet accomplished soldiers, being wiser as they do not exploit the world of Arran only for their own profit and do not kill each other for petty material gains. The third volumes notably portrays Fall, a White Elf, trusting a human and bringing him to the Isles of the White Elves as a tragic mistake leading to a massacre of the Elves.

* Deconstructed in the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' [[FanficRecs/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagicHumans "Human" fic]], ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/7721108/1/ What Separates]]''. Twilight initially takes the "elf" role after the arrival of a human soldier from TwentyMinutesIntoTheFuture, but over time realizes that 1) some of the stated flaws of humanity are based on unfair assumptions or generalizations; and 2) the Ponies can live a more idyllic lifestyle because they have magic and, with that, a much greater degree of control over their environment.

* Caesar's Legion from ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' has some issues with this. Much like with the examples regarding Orleasian society and Vivienne in the ''Dragon Age'' entries above, despite the absolutely ''horrifying'' things the Legion does (such as the slavery, sexism, executing detractors, and raping and pillaging that would make Conan the Barbarian blush to name ''a few'') you never get a chance to actually counter-argue these points with Caesar himself, with the best excuse being that it's all "[[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans for the greater good]]."

This species is [[SuperiorSpecies better than you]]. They are taller, thinner, prettier, more graceful, better-read, more intelligent, more environmentally conscious, more socially progressive, less aggressive or confrontational (while still being fearsome warriors), and better craftspeople, too.

* Seen in the ''Film/TheLordOfTheRings'' movies, particularly in Elrond, who almost despises humans as foolish and weak. Elrond's problem with humans is more personal than an expression of elven hauteur. He's still angry at humans -- in the person of Isildur -- for failing to throw the One Ring into Mount Doom when they (he) had the chance. Since that failure led directly to the problems that were being discussed at that very moment, his harsh words may have been more a moment of pique than anything else. His daughter wanting to leave her entire family to stay with a human man probably plays a big part in this. Most other elves seem far more relaxed about it. Elrond tends to be quite a bit more sullen and openly angry than the usual "[[SmugSnake preeningly superior haughtiness]]" that this trope usually indicates, however.

* By [[Creator/JimButcher the same author]], Kitai of the Marat in ''Literature/CodexAlera'' often talks about the shortcomings of the human Alerans, but she avoids the usual problems of this trope because: she herself is a likeable and sympathetic character, her exclamations of "_____ is/are insane!" are usually a RunningGag played for comic effect, her observations take the form of "your people are crazy" rather than "my people are awesome" and her criticisms are of social institutions that are either harmlessly ridiculous (the prudishness about nudity and sex) or clearly immoral (slavery), so she has a point. Any annoyance is also reduced by the fact that her people are clearly ''not'' intended by the author to be a perfect MarySue SuperiorSpecies; in the first book they are TheHorde of savage cannibals whom the BigBad easily manipulates into doing his dirty work with the intention of crushing them afterwards, and though they quickly show themselves to be a complex people their society clearly has a host of its own problems, even if they're different problems from the "civilised" Alerans.

** Then in ''Film/TheHobbitTheBattleOfTheFiveArmies'', Thranduil first tries to force the Dwarves to fork over some treasures he wants. Then after the Orcs attack, he decides to pull out after some fighting, which would mean abandoning the Humans and Dwarfs to be slaughtered. And [[WhatTheHellHero when called on it]], his answer boils down to, "And?"

** Inverted by Sera in ''Inquisition'', who sees all "elfy" elves as automatically haughty bigots and only "non-elfy" elves like her to be accepting and open-minded, and she's framed as indisputably correct. The PlayerCharacter can never meaningfully counter-argue and Sera [[StaticCharacter never changes her stance on it]]. While Solas is also rather bigoted toward most modern elves (particularly the Dalish) due to prefering ancient Elvhen, a Dalish Inquisitor who gains high RelationshipValues can show him that he's wrong and there's some value in Dalish culture, while a Low Approval Inquisitor can call him out on his bigoted attitude and [[HypocrisyNod get a grudging agreement]]. Sera gives no such leeway, and in fact most of the bigoted and outright mean-spirited things she says about elves ends up being proven correct ([[spoiler:like the elven gods being fake, elves being responsible for their own downfall rather than humans, the elven servants in ''Trespasser'' being suspicious, and so on]]), and the few times a Dalish Inquisitor can disagree with her, they're framed as trying to change her to be more elfy like them.

** Some Dalish elves (who lead nomadic lives outside human settlements) attempt to invoke this over and over, but it never works. While the Dalish revere their ancestral elves as TheBeautifulElite and seek to restore their lost culture, they're still seen as barbaric dirt-dwellers by most humans, and dismissed as either heathens and savages or haughty bigots by many fellow city elves. Though this varies from clan to clan.

*** Interestingly, two characters utilize this trope to explain their contempt of the Dalish elf cultures, one of them being Solas and the other being Sera (no irony lost on the fact that both characters are themselves non-Dalish elves); as explained above, both of them were exposed to Dalish who insisted they they alone possessed the moral superiority, despite their flaws and differences between clans, and were talked down to simply because they were not "elfy" enough. It is to the point that Sera outright rejects [[DontYouDarePityMe any sympathy or pity]] from Dalish elves when it comes to her city elf upbringing. (And her fanatical belief that only "non-elfy elves" like her are kind and accepting while ''all'' "elfy elves" are automatically haughty bigots is framed as indisputably correct, which the player can ''never'' even half-heartedly counter-argue.) For Solas, he is much more aware of the true nature of lost Elvhen culture, but the Dalish refuse to listen, instead becoming belligerent and defensive when he tries to tell them the unfortunate truths of the Dalish culture.

** In ''Inquisition'', Madame Vivienne de Fer, the Orlesian noble and Pro-Circle mage, fits this trope to a T. She frequently goes on {{Character Filibuster}}s extolling the virtues of her Orlesian [[TheFashionista image-obsessed politics]], DeadlyDecadentCourt, and [[TheChurch Chantry]] [[AntiMagicalFaction Circles]] while harshly condemning the dangers and "selfishness" of mage freedom, despite being a [[{{Hypocrite}} mage who lives outside Circle prison towers herself]], and neither the Inquisitor nor companions ''ever'' get a chance to meaningfully counter-argue any of her points. The few weak rebuttals they can give, Vivienne easily twists their words around to support her own view and she almost ''always'' gets the last word. Vivienne is also openly [[VanityIsFeminine vain and haughty]], but this is framed as a [[AwesomeEgo character strength]] rather than a flaw, and no matter what the player's choices Vivienne ''always'' succeeds in her goal of [[spoiler:restoring the Circles with herself at the helm, possibly as this world's equivalent of Fantasy Pope.]]
*** On this note, the upper echelons of Orlesian society in general pretty much ''intentionally'' make this trope part of their culture, mixing it in with [[DeadlyDecadentCourt deadly court intrigues]] in a practice known as "the Game" or "the Great Game." Basically, you ''have'' to be openly sure of yourself and impregnable against criticism, because even the ''slightest,'' tiniest weakness that your enemy can exploit ''will'' be exploited, and leave you vulnerable to the wolves of the Court to tear you apart, sometimes figuratively, and sometimes ''literally.'' Anything from having your assassination plot against a rival exposed, to ''picking the wrong utensil at a dinner'' can be used as ammunition against you, and ''Maker help you'' if you try to slander an enemy without something to back it up. Unfortunately, among the more humble members of the Inquisition, this does Vivienne or the rest of the Orlesian elite few favors in winning their friendship. Unfortunately, the problem arises with the fact that Vivienne de Fer almost ''always'' gets the last word in ''every'' discussion with the PlayerCharacter and companions, even if those ''same'' characters can give meaningful counter-arguments to other members of Orlesian society, and typically only when Vivienne is ''not'' in earshot. It ends up making it seem like the [[CreatorsPet writers themselves frame Vivienne as indisputably correct]] and shield her from ''ever'' having to actually address any legitimate criticisms.

* Caesar's Legion from ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas''is a sexist, imperialistic, totalitarian dictatorship that deals in widespread slavery (mostly of women), and has already assimilated countless tribes through raping and pillaging sprees that would make Conan the Barbarian blush, ''completely erasing'' the culture of those that surrendered in favor of their own homogenous society, and flat out executing or [[FateWorseThanDeath crucifying]] anyone who doesn't surrender. Their leader, who named ''himself'' after the same Caesar from history, is actually a Followers of the Apocalypse envoy who based the society he made after some old, dusty books he found in a pre-war cache, and, while initially using them to build up the tribe that was holding his envoy for ransom so that he wouldn't be slaughtered with them, decided he could expand this into an empire modeled after Ancient Roman society.

*** On this note, the upper echelons of Orlesian society in general pretty much ''intentionally'' make this trope part of their culture, mixing it in with [[DeadlyDecadentCourt deadly court intrigues]] in a practice known as "the Game" or "the Great Game." Basically, you ''have'' to be openly sure of yourself and impregnable against criticism, because even the ''slightest,'' tiniest weakness that your enemy can exploit ''will'' be exploited, and leave you vulnerable to the wolves of the Court to tear you apart, sometimes figuratively, and sometimes ''literally.'' Anything from having your assassination plot against a rival exposed, to ''picking the wrong utensil at a dinner'' can be used as ammunition against you, and ''Maker help you'' if you try to slander an enemy without something to back it up. Unfortunately, among the more humble members of the Inquisition, this does Vivienne or the rest of the Orlesian elite few favors in winning their friendship. Though again, the fact that Vivienne de Fer almost ''always'' gets the last word in ''every'' discussion with the PlayerCharacter and companions, even though those same characters can give meaningful counter-arguments only when Vivienne is ''not'' in earshot, just makes it seem like the [[CreatorsPet writers themselves frame Vivienne as indisputably correct]] and shield her from ''ever'' having to address any meaningful counter-argument.

*** Interestingly, two characters utilize this trope to explain their contempt of the Dalish elf cultures, one of them being Solas and the other being Sera (no irony lost on the fact that both characters are themselves non-Dalish elves); as explained above, both of them were exposed to Dalish who insisted they they alone possessed the moral superiority, despite their flaws and differences between clans, and were talked down to simply because they were not "elfy" enough. It is to the point that Sera outright rejects [[DontYouDarePityMe any sympathy or pity]] from Dalish elves when it comes to her city elf upbringing. For Solas, he is much more aware of the true nature of lost Elvhen culture, but the Dalish refuse to listen, instead becoming belligerent and defensive when he tries to tell them the unfortunate truths of the Dalish culture.

*** On this note, the upper echelons of Orlesian society in general pretty much ''intentionally'' make this trope part of their culture, mixing it in with [[DeadlyDecadentCourt deadly court intrigues]] in a practice known as "the Game" or "the Great Game." Basically, you ''have'' to be openly sure of yourself and impregnable against criticism, because even the ''slightest,'' tiniest weakness that your enemy can exploit ''will'' be exploited, and leave you vulnerable to the wolves of the Court to tear you apart, sometimes figuratively, and sometimes ''literally.'' Anything from having your assassination plot against a rival exposed, to ''picking the wrong utensil at a dinner'' can be used as ammunition against you, and ''Maker help you'' if you try to slander an enemy without something to back it up. Unfortunately, among the more humble members of the Inquisition, this does Vivienne or the rest of the Orlesian elite few favors in winning their friendship.

Even if they are ''supposed'' to be humble, they can't resist lecturing humans on their errant ways or pointing out humanity's flaws. If you try to argue or mock them back, they will just sniff disdainfully and proceed to destroy your argument (even if it doesn't make sense), proving them "right" once again.

** In ''Inquisition'', Madame Vivienne de Fer, the Orlesian noble and Pro-Circle mage, fits this trope to a T. She frequently goes on {{Character Filibuster}}s extolling the virtues of her Orlesian [[TheFashionista image-obsessed politics]], DeadlyDecadentCourt, and [[TheChurch Chantry]] [[AntiMagicalFaction Circles]] while harshly condemning the dangers and "selfishness" of mage freedom, despite being a [[{{Hypocrite}} mage who lives outside Circle prison towers herself]], and neither the Inquisitor nor companions ''ever'' get a chance to meaningfully counter-argue any of her points. The few weak rebuttals they can give, Vivienne easily twists their words around to support her own view and she almost ''always'' gets the last word. Vivienne is also openly [[VanityIsFeminine vain and haughty]], but this is framed as a [[AwesomeEgo character strength]] rather than a flaw, and no matter what the player's choices Vivienne ''always'' succeeds in her goal of [[spoiler:restoring the Circles with herself at the helm, possibly as this world's equivalent of Fantasy Pope.]] Of course, part of her haughty demeanor has to do with the risky business of Orlesian politics, where you practically ''have'' to be prideful and absolutely full of yourself in a court where even so much as ''choosing the wrong utensil'' can result in your entire family being publicly shamed at best, and ''stabbed to death with the correct utensil'' at worst, though unfortunately among the more humble members of the Inquisition it does her no favors in winning their friendship.

** It's also shown (mostly in the official manga) that being right about their personal philosophy and having something to flaunt are two different things. RealityEnsues when they come into conflict with earthborn Youkai again and their long period of fanatic isolationism lets [[TheChessmaster Yukari]] play them for fools.

** First you have the Craftworld Eldar, who take their arrogance to the levels of "we're better than everyone else, so we're allowed to [[ItsAllAboutMe kill thousands of the lesser races to preserve the lives of a few of us]]" [[CrapsackWorld (though to be fair, everyone else in the setting has the same mentality)]]. Next, you have the [[EvilCounterpart Dark Eldar]], who take their arrogance level to "we're better than everyone else, so we're allowed to kidnap thousands of the lesser races and take them back to our inter-dimensional WretchedHive city and brutally torture, rape and kill them because we need to eat their emotions and souls, and [[ForTheEvulz besides, it's fun]]". [[TheFairFolk Yep]]. Unlike their Fantasy counterparts, however, while the Craftworld and Dark Eldar don't ''like'' each other, they recognize each other as Eldar and are fully capable of cooperating for mutual benefit without stabbing each other in the back.

* A Halo/Star Wars crossover that can be found here https://www.fanfiction.net/s/5869588/1/Fighting-for-a-Purpose-V2 has the Allied Species (a faction made of Humans and the Covenant races, minus the Prophets). They have no problem with burning entire planets, the humans in their military are basically an army of super-soldiers, and the weaker Covenant races have inexplicably become more badass. They also seem to have an endless supply of soldiers and warships, which doesn't make sense given that in the backstory there were two Covenant Civil Wars in the last forty years. This faction should be much weaker than it is. That aside, the Allied Species spend much of the story criticizing the Jedi and the Republic(with whom they happen to be in an alliance) in general, while their own flaws are never mentioned. The Allied Species are always right and the Jedi are always wrong.

** In [=DAI=], Madame Vivienne de Fer, the Orlesian noble and Pro-Circle mage, fits this trope to a T. She frequently goes on {{Character Filibuster}}s extolling the virtues of her Orlesian [[TheFashionista image-obsessed politics]], DeadlyDecadentCourt, and [[TheChurch Chantry]] [[AntiMagicalFaction Circles]] while harshly condemning the dangers and "selfishness" of mage freedom, despite being a [[{{Hypocrite}} mage who lives outside Circle prison towers herself]], and neither the Inquisitor nor companions ''ever'' get a chance to meaningfully counter-argue any of her points. The few weak rebuttals they can give, Vivienne easily twists their words around to support her own view and she almost ''always'' gets the last word. Vivienne is also openly [[VanityIsFeminine vain and haughty]], but this is framed as a [[AwesomeEgo character strength]] rather than a flaw, and no matter what the player's choices Vivienne ''always'' succeeds in her goal of [[spoiler:restoring the Circles with herself at the helm, possibly as this world's equivalent of Fantasy Pope.]] Of course, part of her haughty demeanor has to do with the risky business of Orlesian politics, where you practically ''have'' to be prideful and absolutely full of yourself in a court where even so much as ''choosing the wrong utensil'' can result in your entire family being publicly shamed at best, and ''stabbed to death with the correct utensil'' at worst, though unfortunately among the more humble members of the Inquisition it does her no favors in winning their friendship.

** In [=DAI=], Madame Vivienne de Fer the Orlesian noble and Pro-Circle mage frequently goes on {{Character Filibuster}}s extolling the virtues of her Orlesian [[TheFashionista image-obsessed politics]], DeadlyDecadentCourt, and [[TheChurch Chantry]] [[AntiMagicalFaction Circles]] while harshly condemning the dangers and "selfishness" of mage freedom (despite being a [[{{Hypocrite}} mage who lives outside Circle prison towers herself]]), and neither the Inquisitor nor companions can ''ever'' meaningfully counter-argue any of her points.[[note]]She often claims the [[AntiMagicalFaction Chantry Circles]] are the best and ''only'' way to train mages to control their powers and a NecessaryEvil to protect them from ordinary citizens who would lynch them out of fear, and the Inquisitor can never point out to Vivienne the obvious fact that [[PropagandaMachine the Chantry]] encourages most ordinary citizens to fear them that much to begin with. (Even more egregiously, the Inquisitor can make this same argument later to Chantry Sister Leliana, who ''agrees with them''[[/note]] The few weak rebuttals they can give, Vivienne easily twists their words around to support her own view[[note]]For example, a Dalish Inquisitor who points out how wandering nomadic Dalish Elven Clans venerate mages as Keepers who study lost lore and guide their people, Vivienne brusquely points out how they only allow three mages per Clan, and dismisses the suggestion since the Dalish couldn't realistically take in ''all'' mages in Thedas (human and elf), with the Inquisitor unable to point out that they're not saying the wandering nomadic clans would literally take in all mages, but that their system would simply be a model to try to improve and replicate[[/note]] and she almost ''always'' gets the last word. Vivienne is also openly [[VanityIsFeminine vain and haughty]], but this is framed as a [[AwesomeEgo character strength]] rather than a [[FatalFlaw flaw]], and no matter what the player's choices Vivienne ''always'' succeeds in her goal of [[spoiler:retoring the Circles with herself at the helm, possibly as this world's equivalent of Fantasy Pope.]]

* The Lunarians of ''Franchise/TouhouProject'' believe that "Impurity" is the source of mortality and death, and so they migrated to the Moon in ages past, untouched by death as it was, and formed a society there based around the concept of Purity... all of this would sound crazy if it wasn't for the fact that they were right, and they actually became immortal super-beings by separating themselves from death and mortality... Unfortunately, they are also outrageously elitist and xenophobic jerks towards all things associated with the Earth due to their conviction that all things coming from the Earth are inherently impure, which actually happens to be the case... Earthborn characters generally talk about the Lunarians as a bunch of obnoxious lunatics.

* Inverted in ''Franchise/DragonAge'' where elves are considered lesser and barbaric by the humans, who take up the arrogant mantle and enslave the elves; even after the elves are freed from slavery they're still third-class citizens.

* One of the underlying messages of ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' is the question of whether or not it's okay to kill video game characters simply because they're fictional. The monsters of the Underground are quirky individuals who are meant to subvert the trope of monsters being evil. They are nice, friendly individuals who can be talked out of trying to kill the protagonist. However, many of them express scorn towards the violence demonstrated by the humans of the past, and they frequently discuss the importance of finding peaceful solutions to conflict (Flowey, Toriel, Undyne, Sans, Asriel, etc). Never mind the fact that Frisk and the Player never get the opportunity to call out the monsters over the possibility of being killed over and over by [[PlayingTheVictimCard a bunch of so-called victims]], even with the inherent ability to [[SaveScumming save, load and reset]].
** In one of his numerous Judgement speeches, Sans states that he can understand killing in self-defense, ''but if you pay very close attention to his tone'', it's not hard to infer that Sans [[WhatTheHellPlayer doesn't really believe that Frisk/The Player actually killed people in simple self-defense]]. Keep in mind that there is no dialogue option given to the Player to allow them to interrupt Sans's long-winded speech or call him out for his attitude:
--->'''Sans''': huh? you looked bored. i get the feeling you aren't gonna learn anything from this. well, guess i gotta judge you then. hmmm. . . over lv3, huh. [[YouBastard you killed some people on purpose, didn't you]]? that's probably bad. though, maybe some of it was in self-defense. . . [[SarcasmMode i don't know. help me out here]]. [[BlatantLies i wasn't watching]]. [[ItCantBeHelped anyways, don't do that]].
** This is taken UpToEleven if [[SacrificialLamb Papyrus is dead at this point]]. Note that the only available responses to the following question are ''Yes'' and ''No'' (and not "''[[ShutUpKirk Shut up, Sans!]]''"), ensuring that Sans will ''always'' gets the last word and [[AndThatsTerrible chew you out for being a terrible person]]:
--->'''Sans''': though... one thing about you always struck me as kinda odd. now, i understand acting in self-defense. you were thrown into those situation against your will. but... sometimes... [[SeenItAll you act like you know what's gonna happen]]. [[GroundHogPeggySue like you've already experienced it all before]]. [[ImplausibleDeniability this is an odd thing to say]], but... if you have some sort of special power... [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility isn't it your responsibility to do the right thing]]?

** Vivienne the Orlesian noble and Pro-Circle mage frequently goes on {{Character Filibuster}}s extolling the virtues of her Orlesian [[TheFashionista fashion-consciousness]], [[DeadlyDecadentCourt deadly politics]], and [[TheChurch Chantry]] [[AntiMagicalFaction Circles]] while harshly condemning the inherent dangers and selfishness of mage freedom (despite being a [[{{Hypocrite}} mage who lives outside Circle prison towers herself]]), and neither the Inquisitor nor companions can ''ever'' meaningfully counter-argue.[[note]]For example, Vivienne often claims the [[AntiMagicalFaction Circles]] are a NecessaryEvil to protect mages from being lynched by ordinary citizens who hate and fear them, and the Inquisitor can ''never'' point out how [[PropagandaMachine the Chantry]] encourages most ordinary citizens to hate and fear them enough to lynch them to begin with. Even more egregiously, the Inquisitor can make this same argument later to Chantry Sister Leliana, who ''agrees with them''.[[/note]] The few times they can present a weak rebuttal, Vivienne easily twists their words around to support her own view and almost always gets the last word.

** The Dalish elves (who lead nomadic lives outside human settlements) attempt to invoke this over and over however, even when it's become glaringly obvious that it'll never work. All they have to show for it is more FantasticRacism on both sides of the issue and the destruction of any would-be permanent homeland they tried to establish so far (declaring those unilaterally then flipping off your much bigger human neighbours every time doesn't help). Even the City Elves think the Dalish are full of themselves if Fenris' attitude is any indication.

** While not elves, the qunari are a straighter example of the trope. The general argument presented is that qunari are perfect because they are ordered and the only people we see oppose what they want are either massive strawmen or religious fanatics who see them only as heretics. Even [[PlayerCharacter Hawke]] only gets to call them butchers. It is ignored how they take children away from their parents, force others to accept only one role in life, and are blind to the fact that they might be wrong.

** Even WW is NotSoAboveItAll sometimes; a particularly infamous example is an incident where she is confronted by an angry mob, the leader of which is an angry heavyset man holding an effigy of her, calling her out for her callous behavior towards the collateral damage supers like her can inflict. Wonder Woman's response? Rope the man with her Lasso of Truth so that he spills about secretly being a crossdresser, ''publicly humiliating him'' and causing the crowd to disperse. While the man was using some rather crass language to describe WW, his point about her carelessness towards innocents [[[[JerkassHasAPoint was nonetheless valid]] but Wonder Woman is depicted as being in the right.