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6th Oct '17 10:30:23 PM jormis29
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* In second-ed D&D setting ''TabletopGames/{{Planescape}}'' all planars saw themselves as inherently superior to primes (anyone from the Prime Material Plane, [[TropeBreaker including elves]]). [[TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms Toril]], [[TabletopGame/{{Dragonlance}} Krynn]], [[TabletopGame/DarkSun Athas]] - it didn't matter where on the Prime you were from or which race you were, until you proved otherwise you were Clueless and had no idea how the planes worked or what the answers to life were.

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* In second-ed D&D setting ''TabletopGames/{{Planescape}}'' ''TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}'' all planars saw themselves as inherently superior to primes (anyone from the Prime Material Plane, [[TropeBreaker including elves]]). [[TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms Toril]], [[TabletopGame/{{Dragonlance}} Krynn]], [[TabletopGame/DarkSun Athas]] - it didn't matter where on the Prime you were from or which race you were, until you proved otherwise you were Clueless and had no idea how the planes worked or what the answers to life were.
6th Oct '17 2:20:45 AM ImpudentInfidel
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* The Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse rarely relies on this trope, but the Caamasi might count. They're basically a martyred race of pacifists who will fight if they must and are tirelessly moral. Still, they don't feature all that heavily, and most of them don't spend their page time lording it over other cultures.

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* The Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse rarely relies on this trope, but the Caamasi might count. They're basically a martyred race of pacifists who will fight if they must and are tirelessly moral. Still, they don't feature all that heavily, and most of them don't spend their page time lording it over other cultures. When other races try to hold them up as this for political reasons in ''The Hand of Thrawn'' the Caamasi get shouted down for disagreeing.
27th Sep '17 8:01:16 AM BeerBaron
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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series plays around a bit with this trope. The Dunmer (Dark Elves) are very warlike and tend to scorn other races due to their meddlesome nature in their time-honored traditions and of course their homeland; most of them are fairly adaptive, though, and aside from the backwater Ashlanders, are able to tolerate outlanders to some degree. Bosmer (Wood Elves) actually tend to be very curious and are more an inversion of this trope as they tend to cause more trouble than the human races do by sticking their noses into other people's business. Altmer (High Elves) play it more or less straight with their extremely haughty attitudes that condescend to all other races as being inferior in their achievements, and typically scorn the other races for their failings (despite the Aldmeri Dominion being vastly responsible for many ancient wars and calamities of Tamriel...)
** The [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Thalmor]] of ''Skyrim'' certainly believe in this trope. The other races react to this belief in a predictable fashion, and often [[ScrewYouElves do argue with them]], ranging between general disagreement and contempt (the majority of people, including quite a few of their fellow High Elves), feigned alliance with hidden hostility (the Empire), and very vocal and at times violent hostility (the Stormcloaks).
** The Thalmor basically believe that the world is a horrible, forsaken prison and that the creators of it are evil beings. They wish to destroy it and kill every other race so the High Elves, the only beings who are truly descended from the Aedra, can be free once again. (What makes it crazy is, they're ''not'' wrong per se.)

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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' series plays around a bit largely Subverts it with this trope. The Dunmer (Dark Elves) its many [[OurElvesAreBetter Races of Mer (Elves)]]. Each race of Mer certainly seems to [[SuperiorSpecies believe it about themselves]], but as shown time and time again, they are very warlike and tend to scorn other [[HumansAreFlawed just as flawed]] as the races due to their meddlesome nature in their time-honored traditions and of course their homeland; most of them are fairly adaptive, though, and aside from the backwater Ashlanders, are able to tolerate outlanders to some degree. Bosmer (Wood Elves) actually tend to be very curious and are more an inversion of this trope as Men they tend to cause more trouble than the human races do by sticking their noses into other people's business. despise so much. To note specific examples:
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Altmer (High Elves) play it more or less straight with their extremely haughty attitudes that condescend to all other races take the cake as being inferior the haughtiest culture in their achievements, Tamriel. They are indeed responsible for much of Tamriel's art, science, philosophy, language and typically scorn religion, and (while there are exceptions) [[CulturalPosturing they have no issue letting the other races for their failings (despite know]] just how superior they believe they are. They are the Aldmeri Dominion being vastly responsible for many ancient wars direct descendants of the [[{{Precursors}} Aldmer (First Elves)]] and calamities consider the other races of Tamriel...)
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Mer as a result of "degeneration" over the ages. (And don't even ''bother'' trying to bring up the [[HumansAreBastards races of Men]]...) Their religious beliefs state that they are the true descendants of the [[OurGodsAreDifferent Aedra]], and the 4th Era ascension of the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Thalmor]] into positions of ''Skyrim'' certainly believe in this trope. leadership within the [[AntiHumanAlliance Aldmeri Dominion]] has only exacerbated their beliefs of superiority. The other races react to this belief in a predictable fashion, and often [[ScrewYouElves do argue with them]], ranging between general disagreement and contempt (the majority of people, including quite a few of their fellow High Elves), feigned alliance with hidden hostility [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch [[fellow Altmer]]) to outright open conflict (the Empire), Cyrodiilic Empire and very vocal and at times violent hostility (the Stormcloaks).
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the Stormcloaks of Skyrim). The Thalmor basically believe play up the ancient Aldmeri belief that Mundus, the world mortal world, is a horrible, forsaken prison and that the creators of it are evil beings. They wish did so out of malice. Thus, they act to [[OmnicidalManiac destroy it and kill every other race so the High Elves, the only beings who are truly descended world]], believing it will return their divine spirits to a state of [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence pre-creation divinity]].
** The Dunmer (Dark Elves) split off
from the Aedra, can Aldmer over religious differences thousands of years ago, and have spent much of the time since as an extremely xenophobic race who hated outlanders within their homeland of Morrowind, but had no issue with raiding other provinces (particularly Black Marsh and Elsweyr) for slaves. The [[CorruptChurch corrupt Tribunal Temple]] did nothing but reinforce the cultural superiority of the Dunmer while hypocrisy was rampant. [[TraumaCongaLine Following the events]] of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'', the [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Oblivion Crisis]], the [[ColonyDrop Red]] [[ChekhovsVolcano Year]], and the [[LizardFolk Argonian]] [[TheDogBitesBack invasion]], they've at least [[BreakTheHaughty learned a little humility]].
** The Bosmer (Wood Elves) actually tend to
be free once again. (What makes very curious and are more an inversion of this trope as they tend to cause more trouble than the human races do by sticking their noses into other people's business. Notably, it crazy is, they're ''not'' wrong per se.)is believed that they have [[UnevenHybrid some human ancestry]], leading to them being a little [[BlueAndOrangeMorality less alien]] than some of the other races of Mer from a human perspective.
** The extinct [[OurDwarvesAreDifferent Dwemer (Deep Elves or "Dwarves")]], were an industrious, highly intelligent, and extremely [[{{Magitek}} technologically]] [[SteamPunk advanced]] people, but were also known to be cruel, arrogant, and dogmatic. Contemporary accounts describe them as "unfathomable" and "unknowable", with [[BlueAndOrangeMorality truly alien belief systems]] unlike anyone else in Tamriel. It's said that even the ''dullest'' of their kind was still a genius compared to a clever man. They went so far as to try and [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence make themselves Gods]], and managed to [[RiddleForTheAges vanish completely]], the whole race. Now [[LookOnMyWorksYeMightyAndDespair all that is left are their machines and ruins]], picked clean by centuries of looters.
24th Sep '17 7:54:04 PM Siggu
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* In ''Franchise/StarCraft'', given the nature of the Protoss as ScaryDogmaticAliens with very advanced technology, Terrans try to not get in trouble with them. This makes Raynor being the exception much more significant - it does not matter if it's an Executor that has just arrived with her fleet to burn a planet down[[note]]Selendis in ''Wings of Liberty''[[/note]], or a member of the Judicator Caste that ruled Aiur [[note]]Aldaris in the first game's first Protoss campaign[[/note]] - he ''will'' call them out of it. Raynor's case is {{justified|Trope}}, however, in that he was forced to help two Protoss forces in Char due to Kerrigan leaving them stranded there - by the time Aldaris arrives, Raynor was already used to Zeratul and Tassadar, and saw Protoss more like equals.
15th Sep '17 12:54:33 PM thatmadork
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*** At one point in the Storm of Chaos campaign, the Empire were getting owned by Chaos Daemons, until Teclis turns up and ''[[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome wipes out an entire daemon army with one spell]]''. The Grand Theogonist thanks him by calling him a DirtyCoward [[InsaneTrollLogic for using magic]]. At this point Teclis gets annoyed and decides to show why you DoNotTauntCthulhu by pissing off and leaving the Empire to fight Chaos alone (he knew they would win without him but decided to let the humans do the fighting and dying to teach them some manners).
28th Aug '17 11:13:45 AM bluntblade
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** It's also worth noting that, despite the not inconsiderable human weakness we see throughout the trilogy, [[spoiler: Gandalf is ultimately vindicated in putting his faith in men.]]
21st Aug '17 3:25:39 PM HeyFella
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** First you have the Craftworld Eldar, who take their arrogance to the levels of "we're better than everyone else, so we're allowed to [[ItsAllAboutMe kill thousands of the lesser races to preserve the lives of a few of us]]" [[CrapsackWorld (though to be fair, every else in the setting has the same mentality)]]. Next you have the [[EvilCounterpart Dark Eldar]], who take their arrogance level to "we're better than everyone else, so we're allowed to kidnap thousands of the lesser races and take them back to our inter-dimensional WretchedHive city and brutally torture, rape and kill them because we need to eat their emotions and souls, and [[ForTheEvulz besides, it's fun]]". [[TheFairFolk Yep]]. Unlike their Fantasy counterparts, however, while the Craftworld and Dark Eldar don't ''like'' each other, they recognize each other as Eldar and are fully capable of cooperating for mutual benefit without stabbing each other in the back.

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** First you have the Craftworld Eldar, who take their arrogance to the levels of "we're better than everyone else, so we're allowed to [[ItsAllAboutMe kill thousands of the lesser races to preserve the lives of a few of us]]" [[CrapsackWorld (though to be fair, every everyone else in the setting has the same mentality)]]. Next you have the [[EvilCounterpart Dark Eldar]], who take their arrogance level to "we're better than everyone else, so we're allowed to kidnap thousands of the lesser races and take them back to our inter-dimensional WretchedHive city and brutally torture, rape and kill them because we need to eat their emotions and souls, and [[ForTheEvulz besides, it's fun]]". [[TheFairFolk Yep]]. Unlike their Fantasy counterparts, however, while the Craftworld and Dark Eldar don't ''like'' each other, they recognize each other as Eldar and are fully capable of cooperating for mutual benefit without stabbing each other in the back.
27th Jul '17 4:36:29 PM Dvandemon
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* Similarly the Inhumans are often written as culturally posturing. As an isolationist civilization with similar powers to mutants, uplifted by advanced alien technology centuries before others, they're short on patience with humanity. Even as protagonists of their titles and allies in others, they're [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic abrasively standoffish]]. This at least appears cultural, as Inhumans inherited this attitude from the imperialistic and xenophobic Kree and Inhumans raised outside of their culture don't act nearly as superior.
15th Jul '17 8:28:14 PM nombretomado
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** What makes this especially ironic is that unlike the Main Marvel Universe of 616, the Ultimate Marvel mutants are ''not'' the result of evolution, they're actually a byproduct of the world goverments attempting to replicate the Super Soldier Serum after WW2, which ended up screwing with the gene pool when the various failed super soldier projects had kids of their own.

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** What makes this especially ironic is that unlike the Main Marvel Universe of 616, the Ultimate Marvel mutants are ''not'' the result of evolution, they're actually a byproduct of the world goverments attempting to replicate the Super Soldier Serum after WW2, [=WW2=], which ended up screwing with the gene pool when the various failed super soldier projects had kids of their own.
8th Jun '17 6:27:39 AM Fireblood
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* ''Webcomic/ExistentialComics'': You most certainly can when you are Foucault, Chomsky and Fanon. Chomsky, in a parody of his usual style of criticizing America's foreign policy, notes how in a poll conducted ([[VerbalTic by Sindar no less]]) the greatest threat to Middle-Earth's peace in the eyes of Hobbits, Dwarves, Humans, Trolls, Orcs was the Elves.
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