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15th Jan '18 11:12:41 AM HelloLamppost
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* In place of Elves, ''Webcomic/TheInexplicableAdventuresOfBob'' has the Nemesites, an alien empire that has legally owned the Earth since before humanity evolved, but considers us wildlife and generally ignores us. Having made a few friends on Earth, Princess Voluptua has become fond of us and wants the Empire to do right by us, but even she tends to talk about humans in a patronizing manner, calling us "little critters" and the like. Jean is always quick to [[ScrewYouElves tell her where to stick that kind of talk.]]

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* In place of Elves, ''Webcomic/TheInexplicableAdventuresOfBob'' has the Nemesites, an alien empire that has legally owned the Earth since before humanity evolved, but considers us wildlife and generally ignores us. Having made a few friends on Earth, Princess Voluptua has become [[IntriguedByHumanity fond of us us]] and wants the Empire to do right by us, but even she tends to talk about humans in a patronizing manner, calling us "little critters" "[[YourLittleDismissiveDiminutive little critters]]" and the like. Jean is always quick to [[ScrewYouElves tell her where to stick that kind of talk.]]
15th Jan '18 11:11:28 AM HelloLamppost
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* In place of Elves, ''Webcomic/TheInexplicableAdventuresOfBob'' has the Nemesites, an alien empire that has legally owned the Earth since before humanity evolved, but considers us wildlife and generally ignores us. Having made a few friends on Earth, Princess Voluptua has become fond of us and wants the Empire to do right by us, but even she tends to talk about humans in a patronizing manner, calling us "little critters" and the like. Jean is always quick to [[ScrewYouElves tell her where to stick that kind of talk.]]
12th Jan '18 6:16:46 PM nombretomado
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%% Please don't add a JustifyingEdit. If you want to rant about how much the Na'vi were jerks, we have discussion pages and forums.

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%% Please don't add a JustifyingEdit.Administrivia/JustifyingEdit. If you want to rant about how much the Na'vi were jerks, we have discussion pages and forums.
1st Jan '18 11:50:45 PM azul120
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Not a bad thing if the creator intends for the characters in question to appear arrogant and annoying. But there are plenty of cases in which even the audience is supposed to share this view, which has you ending up with an entire race of [[MarySue Mary Sues]].

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Not a bad thing if the creator intends for the characters in question to appear [[HolierThanThou arrogant and annoying. annoying]]. But there are plenty of cases in which even the audience is supposed to share this view, which has you ending up with an entire race of [[MarySue Mary Sues]].
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* This, and the character types associated with it, are deconstructed with Aresia in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague''. Stories like ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'' notwithstanding, the Amazons are typically portrayed as a superior people, with superior morality, strength and wisdom to those of "man's world." The bulk of Amazons act like this: dismissive of non-Amazons, and appealing to man's world's obvious inferiority when anyone challenges them on it. Wonder Woman, on the other hand, tends more towards "yeah, they're inferior, but it's our duty to protect them from themselves." After a few arcs where both of these are called out, Aresia -- a non-Amazon who's been raised under the Amazons' CantArgueWithElves mentality, takes it to its logical conclusion and attempts to [[{{Gendercide}} kill all men on the planet]] and taking this stance with everyone who tried to stop her -- even Wonder Woman herself.

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* This, and the character types associated with it, are deconstructed with Aresia in ''WesternAnimation/JusticeLeague''. Stories like ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'' notwithstanding, the Amazons are typically portrayed as a superior people, with superior morality, strength and wisdom to those of "man's world." The bulk of Amazons act like this: dismissive of non-Amazons, and appealing to man's world's obvious inferiority when anyone challenges them on it. Wonder Woman, on the other hand, tends more towards "yeah, they're inferior, but it's our duty to protect them from themselves." After a few arcs where both of these are called out, Aresia -- a non-Amazon who's been raised under the Amazons' CantArgueWithElves Can't Argue With Elves mentality, takes it to its logical conclusion and attempts to [[{{Gendercide}} kill all men on the planet]] and taking this stance with everyone who tried to stop her -- even Wonder Woman herself.
22nd Dec '17 3:33:05 PM Malady
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* An interesting aversion occurs in Terry Brooks' ''{{Shannara}}'' series. The elves there are the only sapient race not descended from humanity, and really are older and more naturally magical than humanity or the other races. Interestingly, though, they had, well before the beginning of the first series, forgotten their heritage and the vast bulk of their magical abilities. That is not to say that there were no arrogant elves, but the primary victims of their arrogance were other elves. The elves as a people had no particular sense of superiority, even during periods when they were among the best organized and most powerful factions.

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* An interesting aversion occurs in Terry Brooks' ''{{Shannara}}'' ''Literature/{{Shannara}}'' series. The elves there are the only sapient race not descended from humanity, and really are older and more naturally magical than humanity or the other races. Interestingly, though, they had, well before the beginning of the first series, forgotten their heritage and the vast bulk of their magical abilities. That is not to say that there were no arrogant elves, but the primary victims of their arrogance were other elves. The elves as a people had no particular sense of superiority, even during periods when they were among the best organized and most powerful factions.
10th Dec '17 5:46:17 PM nombretomado
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* ''TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}}'' products address this issue from both sides, with a heavy dose of Lampshading. On the one hand, "elf-wannabes" abound among the humans of the Sixth World, slavishly watching human-bashing shows from Tir Tairngire and saving up for surgery to elf-ify themselves; on the other, actual immortal elves (left over from {{Earthdawn}}) are depicted as callous, spoiled {{jerkass}} powermongers, who hold non-immortal elves in nearly as much contempt as humans. Ironically, ordinary elves who just want to get on with their lives find both the "wannabes" and the nobles every bit as distasteful as other humans do.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}}'' products address this issue from both sides, with a heavy dose of Lampshading. On the one hand, "elf-wannabes" abound among the humans of the Sixth World, slavishly watching human-bashing shows from Tir Tairngire and saving up for surgery to elf-ify themselves; on the other, actual immortal elves (left over from {{Earthdawn}}) ''TabletopGame/{{Earthdawn}})'' are depicted as callous, spoiled {{jerkass}} powermongers, who hold non-immortal elves in nearly as much contempt as humans. Ironically, ordinary elves who just want to get on with their lives find both the "wannabes" and the nobles every bit as distasteful as other humans do.
4th Dec '17 12:46:55 AM ImpudentInfidel
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** However, when you are light aligned Sith, you get the chance to shove their arguments right back in their face more often than not. As a Dark aligned Sith, you generally just don't give a damn what they think. They are about to die after all.

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** However, when you are light aligned Sith, you get the chance to shove their arguments right back in their face more often than not. Some of them will even listen to reason and back down, especially in the Warrior path (Jedi starting needless fights out of sheer arrogance is a minor RunningGag in the Light Inquisor path). As a Dark aligned Sith, you generally just don't give a damn what they think. They are about to die after all.
4th Dec '17 12:22:36 AM ImpudentInfidel
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** A major part of the setting is that ''every'' faction acts like this, and other than a few defectors from the underclasses absolutely nobody is buying it.
4th Dec '17 12:12:41 AM ImpudentInfidel
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** Seems to be played straight with [[spoiler:Solas]] at the end of Inquisition, who seeks to restore the ancient elven empire (that could effortlessly use magic and was technologically superior to anyone else in Thedas during its heyday) and tear down the Veil, regardless of the harm to Thedas.

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** Seems to be played straight with [[spoiler:Solas]] at the end of Inquisition, who seeks to restore the ancient elven empire (that could effortlessly use magic and was technologically superior to anyone else in Thedas during its heyday) and tear down the Veil, regardless of the harm to Thedas. He (like other surviving ancients) doesn't consider either of the existing Elf cultures to really be Elves either; he compares it to the difference between normal humans and the Tranquil (those magically stripped of emotion and personality).
30th Nov '17 8:40:46 AM hubakon1368
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* ''Fanfic/MyLittleUnicorn'': The Unicornicopians are portrayed as always right, whether it's imposing martial law, stating that they're superior to Equestrians, killing opponents, brainwashing dissidents, etc.

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* ''Fanfic/MyLittleUnicorn'': ''Fanfic/MyBravePonyStarfleetMagic'': [[HolierThanThou The Unicornicopians are portrayed as always right, right,]] [[DesignatedHero whether it's imposing martial law, stating that they're superior to Equestrians, killing opponents, brainwashing dissidents, etc.]]
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