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27th May '16 10:48:13 PM MyFinalEdits
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* ''[[Film/OnHerMajestysSecretService On Her Majesty's Secret Service]]'' ''might'' be taken as ignoring ''Film/YouOnlyLiveTwice'', so far as it shows Film/JamesBond and Blofeld meeting face-to-face for apparently the first time (neither recognises the other) when they had already met in the previous film. Of course, both were [[TheOtherDarrin played by different actors]], but in-universe that's no excuse. You can blame PragmaticAdaptation on this, as the book ''Literature/OnHerMajestysSecretService'' precedes ''Literature/YouOnlyLiveTwice'' (where Bond goes to Japan and finds Blofeld there by accident).
** This is sort of explained in ''Film/DiamondsAreForever'', where Blofeld is played by yet another actor, but with facial reconstructive surgery being a major part of the plot this time.

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* ''[[Film/OnHerMajestysSecretService On Her Majesty's Secret Service]]'' ''might'' be taken as ignoring ''Film/OnHerMajestysSecretService'' ignores ''Film/YouOnlyLiveTwice'', so far as it shows Film/JamesBond and Blofeld meeting face-to-face for apparently the first time (neither recognises the other) when they had already met in the previous film. Of course, both were [[TheOtherDarrin played by different actors]], but in-universe that's no excuse. You can blame PragmaticAdaptation on this, as the book ''Literature/OnHerMajestysSecretService'' precedes ''Literature/YouOnlyLiveTwice'' (where Bond goes to Japan and finds Blofeld there by accident).
** This is sort of explained in ''Film/DiamondsAreForever'', where Blofeld is played by yet another actor, but with facial reconstructive surgery being a major part of the plot this time.
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27th May '16 6:03:16 PM akaun6899
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* When Creator/{{Disney}} purchased Franchise/TheMuppets franchise in 2004, they gained the rights to all but two of the theatrical Muppet films: ''Film/TheMuppetsTakeManhattan'' and ''Film/MuppetsFromSpace'' (which are both held by Creator/{{Sony}}). While Disney has made call-backs to ''Take Manhattan'' in their post-2004 Muppet works, ''From Space'' and Gonzo's newfound status within the film as an alien are ignored by the continuity, returning the character to his pre-1999 designation as a "whatever".

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* When Creator/{{Disney}} purchased Franchise/TheMuppets franchise in 2004, they gained the rights to all but two of the theatrical Muppet films: ''Film/TheMuppetsTakeManhattan'' and ''Film/MuppetsFromSpace'' (which are both held by Creator/{{Sony}}). While Disney has made call-backs to ''Take Manhattan'' in their post-2004 Muppet works, ''From Space'' and Gonzo's newfound status within the film as an alien are ignored by the continuity, returning the character to his pre-1999 designation as a "whatever". If you look hard enough though, you can see a DVD copy of the movie in Walter's bedroom at the beginning of Film/TheMuppets.
20th May '16 1:39:41 PM SickBoy
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** This is sort of explained in ''Film/DiamondsAreForever'', where Blofeld is played by yet another actor, but with facial reconstructive surgery being a major part of the plot this time.
16th May '16 12:29:56 AM erforce
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* ''VideoGame/{{Myst}}'' is a little more complicated, as it involves multiple LiteraryAgentHypothesis. The first two books (Atrus, Catherine) do not mention the D'ni society as having slaves, just a caste system. Book of D'ni makes it explicit that slavery is repugnant to D'ni society. Then ''VideoGame/{{Uru}}'' came out, with the storyline's finale in ''VideoGame/MystVEndOfAges''... Again, it seems the author of the books "based" his writings on Catherine's journals, which dismiss the clear slavery of the Bahro, for never entirely cleared reasons. As for Book of D'ni, well, people long gave up making sense of it. And then there's ''Pyst'', which shows how the first game's locations have been overrun by commercialization (and subsequently abandoned), but that was an outright parody.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Myst}}'' is a little more complicated, as it involves multiple LiteraryAgentHypothesis. The first two books (Atrus, Catherine) do not mention the D'ni society as having slaves, just a caste system. Book of D'ni makes it explicit that slavery is repugnant to D'ni society. Then ''VideoGame/{{Uru}}'' came out, with the storyline's finale in ''VideoGame/MystVEndOfAges''... Again, it seems the author of the books "based" his writings on Catherine's journals, which dismiss the clear slavery of the Bahro, for never entirely cleared reasons. As for Book of D'ni, well, people long gave up making sense of it. And then there's ''Pyst'', ''VideoGame/{{Pyst}}'', which shows how the first game's locations have been overrun by commercialization (and subsequently abandoned), but that was an outright parody.
14th May '16 10:37:15 PM X2X
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** It's a general rule that the canonical game is the third game if a third version is made (''[[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Crystal]]'', ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Emerald]]'', ''[[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Platinum]]'', etc). If a previous game is referenced to, [[CuttingOffTheBranches it's always the third version]], which is a mixture of the original two with changes. The exception is ''Yellow'' (a RecursiveAdaptation of the [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} anime]]), which is treated as non-canon in contrast with the other Gen I games, though it ''is'' the basis for [[spoiler:Red's team in Gen II, the Gen IV remakes, and the Pokémon World Tournament in ''[[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 Black 2/White 2]]'']]. Also of note is that ''Yellow'' wasn't originally a third version in Japan; it was actually the ''[[OddballInTheSeries fourth]]'' version.[[note]]''Blue'', which has the same story as ''Red'' and ''Green'' and was used as the basis for the international ''Red'' and ''Blue'', was the third version there.[[/note]]

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** It's a general rule that the canonical game is the third game if a third version is made (''[[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Crystal]]'', ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Emerald]]'', ''[[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Platinum]]'', etc). If a previous game is referenced to, [[CuttingOffTheBranches it's always the third version]], which is a mixture of the original two with changes. The exception is ''Yellow'' (a RecursiveAdaptation of the [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} anime]]), which is treated as non-canon in contrast with the other Gen I games, though it ''is'' [[ThirdOptionAdaptation the basis for for]] [[spoiler:Red's team in Gen II, the Gen IV remakes, and the Pokémon World Tournament in ''[[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 Black 2/White 2]]'']]. Also of note is that ''Yellow'' wasn't originally a third version in Japan; it was actually the ''[[OddballInTheSeries fourth]]'' version.[[note]]''Blue'', which has the same story as ''Red'' and ''Green'' and was used as the basis for the international ''Red'' and ''Blue'', was the third version there.[[/note]]
14th May '16 10:30:13 PM X2X
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-->-- ''Late Night with ConanOBrien'', [[http://www.dump.com/conanford/ 2006 interview]]

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-->-- ''Late Night with ConanOBrien'', Creator/ConanOBrien'', [[http://www.dump.com/conanford/ 2006 interview]]



* It's a general rule within ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' that the canonical game is the third game if a third version is made (Crystal, Emerald, Platinum, etc). If a previous game is referenced to it's always the third version, which is a mixture of the original two with changes. The exception is Yellow (a RecursiveAdaptation of the anime), which is treated as non-canon in contrast with the other Gen I games. Though it wasn't originally a third version in Japan; it was actually the ''[[OddballInTheSeries fourth]]'' version.[[note]]Blue, which has the same story as Red and Green and was used as the basis for the international Red and Blue, was the third version there.[[/note]]
* ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoAdvance'' is notable in the ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'' series for this. Effectively the only game in the series to receive virtually no input from primary ''[=GTA=]'' developer Rockstar North, it features unique characters (i.e. Mike, Cisco, Jonnie and Yuka) and plot developments (bubonic plague occurring in Liberty City and 8-Ball's arrest that resulted from a Colombian Cartel attack) that are never acknowledged in succeeding [=GTA=] games.

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* ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}''
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It's a general rule within ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' that the canonical game is the third game if a third version is made (Crystal, Emerald, Platinum, (''[[VideoGame/PokemonGoldAndSilver Crystal]]'', ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Emerald]]'', ''[[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Platinum]]'', etc). If a previous game is referenced to to, [[CuttingOffTheBranches it's always the third version, version]], which is a mixture of the original two with changes. The exception is Yellow ''Yellow'' (a RecursiveAdaptation of the anime), [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} anime]]), which is treated as non-canon in contrast with the other Gen I games. Though games, though it ''is'' the basis for [[spoiler:Red's team in Gen II, the Gen IV remakes, and the Pokémon World Tournament in ''[[VideoGame/PokemonBlack2AndWhite2 Black 2/White 2]]'']]. Also of note is that ''Yellow'' wasn't originally a third version in Japan; it was actually the ''[[OddballInTheSeries fourth]]'' version.[[note]]Blue, [[note]]''Blue'', which has the same story as Red ''Red'' and Green ''Green'' and was used as the basis for the international Red ''Red'' and Blue, ''Blue'', was the third version there.[[/note]]
** Likewise, the [[VideoGameRemake remakes]] supersede the events of the original games they're based upon. The exception to this so far is ''[[VideoGame/PokemonRubyAndSapphire Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire]]'', which, along with ''[[VideoGame/PokemonXAndY X/Y]]'', is instead heavily suggested in-game (and confirmed by WordOfGod) to reside in an {{alternate timeline}} from the first five generations due to [[spoiler:the firing of AZ's ultimate weapon 3,000 years prior to the events of ''X/Y'']]. The remakes tend to stray closer to the stories of the paired versions, but usually include a few aspects of the third version.
* ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoAdvance'' is notable in the ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'' series for this. Effectively the only game in the series to receive virtually no input from primary ''[=GTA=]'' ''GTA'' developer Rockstar North, it features unique characters (i.e. Mike, Cisco, Jonnie and Yuka) and plot developments (bubonic plague occurring in Liberty City and 8-Ball's arrest that resulted from a Colombian Cartel attack) that are never acknowledged in succeeding [=GTA=] ''GTA'' games.



* The [[Literature/BaldursGate unpopular novelizations]] of the ''Franchise/BaldursGate'' series, in which the protagonist was a {{Jerkass}} KarmaHoudini, was eventually declared non-canonical by Creator/WizardsOfTheCoast. Officially, D&D video games are all non-canonical to the broader tabletop D&D continuity, letting the video game designers shake up the world however they like without worrying about treading on tabletop designers' and players' toes. However, most ''novels'' are treated as canonical to the tabletop settings unless stated otherwise (a situation classic ''TabletopGame/DarkSun'' players were familiar with and bemoaned), which is why the ''Baldur's Gate'' novel specifically needed excising.

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* The [[Literature/BaldursGate unpopular novelizations]] of the ''Franchise/BaldursGate'' series, in which the protagonist was a {{Jerkass}} KarmaHoudini, was eventually declared non-canonical by Creator/WizardsOfTheCoast. Officially, D&D ''D&D'' video games are all non-canonical to the broader tabletop D&D ''D&D'' continuity, letting the video game designers shake up the world however they like without worrying about treading on tabletop designers' and players' toes. However, most ''novels'' are treated as canonical to the tabletop settings unless stated otherwise (a situation classic ''TabletopGame/DarkSun'' players were familiar with and bemoaned), which is why the ''Baldur's Gate'' novel specifically needed excising.



* ''VideoGame/KidIcarusUprising'' is treated as the only sequel to the original ''VideoGame/KidIcarus'', completely ignoring the UsefulNotes/GameBoy sequel ''Of Myths And Monsters'', possibly due to the fact that the sequel was initially only released in America (with a much, much later Japanese release on the Virtual Console), even though it was made in Japan by Nintendo. This is further supported by ''Super Smash Bros. for Wii U/3DS'', as nothing from ''Of Myths And Monsters'' is namedropped at any point in either game.

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* ''VideoGame/KidIcarusUprising'' is treated as the only sequel to the original ''VideoGame/KidIcarus'', completely ignoring the UsefulNotes/GameBoy sequel ''Of Myths And and Monsters'', possibly due to the fact that the sequel was initially only released in America (with a much, much later Japanese release on the Virtual Console), even though it was made in Japan by Nintendo. This is further supported by ''Super Smash Bros. ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros for Wii U/3DS'', as nothing from ''Of Myths And and Monsters'' is namedropped at any point in either game.



* Capcom never released an official statement, but it's safe to say that the events of ''VideoGame/StreetFighter2010'' don't count in the series continuity since Capcom doesn't talk much about this particular game, in the Japanese version, the main character is called Kevin, the name was changed into Ken in the American localization, in order to make a connection with the main games of the series, Ken's role in that game is never adressed in any other further games.
* The second episode of [[DownloadableContent Burial at Sea]] for ''Videogame/BioShockInfinite'' completely nullifies the story of ''VideoGame/BioShock2'' by [[spoiler:making it impossible for certain elements of the game like the Alpha Series Big Daddies and the link they have with the Little Sisters to exist within the timeline]].

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* Capcom never released an official statement, but it's safe to say that the events of ''VideoGame/StreetFighter2010'' don't count in [[Franchise/StreetFighter the series series]] continuity since Capcom doesn't talk much about this particular game, in the Japanese version, the main character is called Kevin, the name was changed into Ken in the American localization, in order to make a connection with the main games of the series, Ken's role in that game is never adressed in any other further games.
* The second episode of [[DownloadableContent Burial at Sea]] for ''Videogame/BioShockInfinite'' completely nullifies the story of ''VideoGame/BioShock2'' by [[spoiler:making it impossible for certain elements of the game -- like the Alpha Series Big Daddies and the link they have with the Little Sisters -- to exist within the timeline]].



* The 2013 reboot of "VideoGame/KillerInstinct" on the Xbox One was originally intended to be a follow up to the first two games in the series (and even then, the time travel element of the original sequel was ignored, too). The developer switch from Double Helix to Iron Galaxy brought about a shift in that plan, as Iron Galaxy at first claimed the continuity was on a "sliding timeline" and that the first two games *might* have happened in some way, but after the re-introductions of Maya and Kim Wu proved to be substantially different from their original incarnations, fans are in agreement the game has since become a [[ContinuityReboot soft reboot]] of the series as a whole.

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* The 2013 reboot of "VideoGame/KillerInstinct" ''VideoGame/KillerInstinct'' on the Xbox One UsefulNotes/XboxOne was originally intended to be a follow up to the first two games in the series (and even then, the time travel element of the original sequel was ignored, too). The developer switch from Double Helix to Iron Galaxy brought about a shift in that plan, as Iron Galaxy at first claimed the continuity was on a "sliding timeline" and that the first two games *might* ''might'' have happened in some way, but after the re-introductions of Maya and Kim Wu proved to be substantially different from their original incarnations, fans are in agreement the game has since become a [[ContinuityReboot soft reboot]] of the series as a whole.
11th May '16 9:23:53 AM Prinzenick
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** ''VideoGame/SonicChronicles'' is non-canon according to WordOfSaintPaul.
11th May '16 9:20:20 AM Prinzenick
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** The ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogPromoComic was originally the canon western backstory for Sonic and Robotnik, [[AllThereInTheManual according to the original]] [[http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_Bible US Sonic Bible]]. Once VideoGame/SonicAdventure retconned the western branch of the series to follow the same continuity of the Japanese storyline, this old backstory was knocked out of canon forever (although given the games never acknowledge this old backstory in the first place, its unclear if it was [[ContinuityDrift ever truly established as western canon in the first place]]).

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** The ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogPromoComic was originally the canon western backstory for Sonic and Robotnik, [[AllThereInTheManual according to the original]] [[http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_Bible US Sonic Bible]]. Once VideoGame/SonicAdventure retconned the western branch of the series to follow the same continuity of the Japanese storyline, this old backstory was knocked out of canon forever (although given the games never acknowledge acknowledged this old backstory in the first place, its unclear if it was [[ContinuityDrift ever truly established as western canon in the first place]]).
11th May '16 9:16:24 AM Prinzenick
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* [[http://www.insomniacgames.com/community/showthread.php?56339-Did-Insomniac-Ever-Outright-Confirm-SM-and-SAC-Were-Non-Canon&p=1421220&viewfull=1#post1421220 Insomniac Games confirmed]] that the two PSP Franchise/RatchetAndClank spinoffs, ''Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters'' and ''Secret Agent Clank'' (which were developed by High Impact Games instead of Insomniac), are non-canon to the main games.

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* [[http://www.insomniacgames.com/community/showthread.php?56339-Did-Insomniac-Ever-Outright-Confirm-SM-and-SAC-Were-Non-Canon&p=1421220&viewfull=1#post1421220 Insomniac Games confirmed]] that the two PSP Franchise/RatchetAndClank spinoffs, ''Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters'' and ''Secret Agent Clank'' (which were developed by High Impact Games instead of Insomniac), are non-canon to the main games. ''[[VideoGame/RatchetAndClankIntoTheNexus Into the Nexus]]'' likewise ignores mentioning both games in the Insomniac Museum.



* ''VideoGame/RatchetAndClankSizeMatters'' and ''VideoGame/SecretAgentClank'' had their canonical status disrupted for years because of the ''Future Trilogy''. ''[[VideoGame/RatchetAndClankIntoTheNexus Into the Nexus]]'' officially renders the two games non-canonical.
11th May '16 9:13:44 AM Prinzenick
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* [[http://www.insomniacgames.com/community/showthread.php?56339-Did-Insomniac-Ever-Outright-Confirm-SM-and-SAC-Were-Non-Canon&p=1421220&viewfull=1#post1421220 Insomniac Games confirmed]] that the two PSP Franchise/RatchetAndClank spinoffs, ''Ratchet & Clank: Size Matters'' and ''Secret Agent Clank'' (which were developed by High Impact Games instead of Insomniac), are non-canon to the main games.
-->"We have always treated them as non-canon while making our games. However, he have done joke nods to them."
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