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9th Sep '16 12:51:02 AM SonicGamer07
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* ''VideoGame/PhantasyStarOnline2es'':
** In-story, More is up there with the main characters, and is one of the three starting core members of the Darker Busters. In gameplay, More is the ''weakest'' Weaponoid in the game, handed to you for free and possessing a piddling attack buff with regen bonus.
** Aurora, in-story, is a ''Photoner'', AKA the almighty precursors to the ARKS and who founded their existence, and [[spoiler:becomes a Genesis Weapon, one of the strongest weapons in the story.]] Her Chip? A 12★ that adds a whole '''+20%''' to your damage, and for every three standard attacks you land, your damage goes up... by 500. Not 500''%'', just ''500''. She easily beats pre-balance Salus Punisher as the worst 12★ to ever exist.
** Until Yamigarasu was introduced, no endgame player would be caught dead without Saga, whose status damage made him a staple in many endgame decks. In ''[=PSO2=]'', Saga is a side character who exists as Katori's straight man and has zero plot relevance.
** Segami has more utility than [[{{VideoGame/Neptunia}} Purple Heart]][[note]]Segami's ability converts your highest Element total to the Element that your enemy is weak to. Purple Heart provides a +55% damage bonus and 6-8% regen[[/note]]. This is despite the fact that Neptune/Purple Heart is ''the main character of the franchise'', and Segami is from a crossover spinoff. '''Nepgear''' provides better damage than Neptune, and she's Neptune's younger sister!
** Arguably, Hatsune Miku was marginally less useful than Luka, back when Yamigarasu didn't exist[[note]]Miku restores CP when a Just Attack connects. Luka grants Mirage affliction to normal attacks, which can be paired with Saga for high-damage combos[[/note]]. Nowadays, Luka is useless due to Yamigarasu obsoleting status affliction Chips.
** Rina is a Game Breaker 12★, but in [[Anime/PhantasyStarOnline2TheAnimation the anime]], she's more or less a love interest who spends half of her important scenes as a DamselInDistress. Itsuki, who is TheProtagonist, and Aika, who is [[spoiler:a secret agent from Oracle and Itsuki's connection to ARKS]], don't hold a candle to Rina's Chip in ''es''.
9th Sep '16 12:49:29 AM SonicGamer07
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* Amusingly, ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyRecordKeeper'' got the ''video game'' version of this. As a MassivelyMultiplayerCrossover between most of the major ''Final Fantasy'' titles, many characters, heroes, villians, and side, are represented, each with varying levels of PowerCreepPowerSeep applied to them, but also most of them being stronger than ''the main character.'' However, the epitome of this has to go to Echo, a collaboration character from another ''Final Fantasy'' mobile game that [[NoExportForYou only exists in Japan.]] She's also a side character at that. However, upon arriving in ''FFRK'', she received a weapon from the gacha that power creeped '''almost all defensive [[LimitBreak Soul Breaks]] ever''' by adding Hastega to normal defensive buffs. Non-Japanese players started complaining almost immediately about how she had basically outclassed Tyro (the main character) and ''Y'shtola'' (an extremely popular ''FFXIV'' character) in one fell swoop.

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* Amusingly, ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyRecordKeeper'' got ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyRecordKeeper'':
** To avoid confusing players,
the ''video game'' version of this. As a MassivelyMultiplayerCrossover between most of developers usually try to use weapons without shared names for Soul Break relics. This sometimes results in unremarkable items in the major ''Final Fantasy'' titles, many characters, heroes, villians, original games becoming valuable items in this game. Most prominent is Hope's Ninurta: in ''FFXIII'', it's a first-tier (out of three) weapon and side, are represented, each widely considered to be one of his ''worst'' boomerangs—and it's his '''Burst''' Soul Break weapon!
*** It happened again
with varying levels Lightning. Her Burst Soul Break weapon was Overture, her iconic gunblade from ''FFXIII-2''. Her Overflow Soul Break weapon? Gladius, another first-tier weapon and a wholly-unremarkable one for Lightning on top of PowerCreepPowerSeep applied to them, but also most of them that.
*** Krile's Fire Lash, which was almost useless in FFV, contains the best magic buff in the game.
** Echo got hit with this; despite
being stronger than ''the a FairyCompanion to the main character.'' However, the epitome of this has to go to Echo, a collaboration character from another of a ''Final Fantasy'' mobile game spin-off, she got a Relic that [[NoExportForYou only exists in Japan.]] She's also endowed upon her a Soul Break that gave the entire party DEF and RES boosts '''and''' Hastega. Not to mention this ability could be stacked on top of pre-existing Soul Breaks such as Sentinel Grimoire, which had players scratching their heads at why a basically-unknown side character at that. However, upon arriving in ''FFRK'', she received a weapon from got one of the gacha best Soul Breaks in the game. This was later rectified pre-release with a quick change that power creeped '''almost all defensive [[LimitBreak made the buff to be explicitly anti-MAG only, vastly reducing its viability.
** Danjuro, the strongest dagger in FFXII, is one of the weakest weapons in this game. It was released as one of the first 5*s and is now an obsolete off-banner relic. Meanwhile, the Orichalcum Dirk, a middle-of-the-pack dagger, contains Vaan's Burst
Soul Breaks]] ever''' by adding Hastega to normal defensive buffs. Non-Japanese players started complaining almost immediately about how she had basically outclassed Tyro (the main character) Break, widely considered the best in the game.
** Averted in some cases. Sephiroth's Masamune is weak
and ''Y'shtola'' (an extremely popular ''FFXIV'' character) obsolete, but this was changed by the release of the Masamune-Shinuchu. It's the same sword, except with a Burst Soul Break and blood on its hilt.
** In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'', Platinum Sword is an unremarkable sword that comes
in an awkward time and gets outpaced by Power Creep. Heck, if you're leveled up, you can skip it. In this game, it gives Ramza the infamous Shout SB, which singlehandedly obsoleted every other damage buff ability in the game and is thus one fell swoop.
of the most sought-after weapons.
23rd Aug '16 7:19:41 PM case
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it. For the video game equivalents, see OverratedAndUnderleveled and UnderratedAndOverLeveled.
9th Aug '16 4:41:45 PM Fwahm
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** Illidan Stormrage, one of the most powerful characters in all of Warcraft lore; rogue Demon Hunter who went toe-to-toe with Arthas in his Lich King form at full power and fought him to a standstill. In-game, his card is hilariously easy to kill and nonthreatening, and generally just makes a couple of tiny chump tokens before getting effortlessly killed. His original design was actually a lot more powerful and disruptive, but he turned out to be *too* good, so he was changed to his current form before the start of the Beta test.

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** Illidan Stormrage, one of the most powerful characters in all of Warcraft lore; rogue Demon Hunter who went toe-to-toe with Death Knight Arthas in his Lich King form at full power and fought him to a standstill. In-game, his card is hilariously easy to kill and nonthreatening, and generally just makes a couple of tiny chump tokens before getting effortlessly killed. His original design was actually a lot more powerful and disruptive, but he turned out to be *too* good, so he was changed to his current form before the start of the Beta test.
3rd Aug '16 7:08:43 AM Morgenthaler
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** The series' main villain of many years, Yawgmoth, also couldn't get a card printed depicting him because he was so powerful that a large group of old-style planeswalkers (mages powerful enough that they could create their own planes of existence if they wanted to�new-style planeswalkers are ''substantially'' weaker) armed with soul-powered nukes could only barely defeat him after hitting him with a weapon forged from Urza's thousands of years of [[ThePlan planning]] on Urza's part. Several cards depicting aspects of Yawgmoth have been printed over the years, including [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=15193 Yawgmoth's Bargain]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=5629 Yawgmoth's Will]], which are well into GameBreaker territory. Given that WordOfGod states Yawgmoth is DeaderThanDead, it's unlikely the game's most iconic villain will ever be rendered in card form, even ''if'' it wouldn't be the equivalent of having {{God}} as a Top Trumps card.

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** The series' main villain of many years, Yawgmoth, also couldn't get a card printed depicting him because he was so powerful that a large group of old-style planeswalkers (mages powerful enough that they could create their own planes of existence if they wanted to�new-style to-new-style planeswalkers are ''substantially'' weaker) armed with soul-powered nukes could only barely defeat him after hitting him with a weapon forged from Urza's thousands of years of [[ThePlan planning]] on Urza's part. Several cards depicting aspects of Yawgmoth have been printed over the years, including [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=15193 Yawgmoth's Bargain]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=5629 Yawgmoth's Will]], which are well into GameBreaker territory. Given that WordOfGod states Yawgmoth is DeaderThanDead, it's unlikely the game's most iconic villain will ever be rendered in card form, even ''if'' it wouldn't be the equivalent of having {{God}} as a Top Trumps card.
3rd Aug '16 7:07:50 AM Morgenthaler
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** The series' main villain of many years, Yawgmoth, also couldn't get a card printed depicting him because he was so powerful that a large group of old-style planeswalkers (mages powerful enough that they could create their own planes of existence if they wanted to—new-style planeswalkers are ''substantially'' weaker) armed with soul-powered nukes could only barely defeat him after hitting him with a weapon forged from Urza's thousands of years of [[ThePlan planning]] on Urza's part. Several cards depicting aspects of Yawgmoth have been printed over the years, including [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=15193 Yawgmoth's Bargain]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=5629 Yawgmoth's Will]], which are well into GameBreaker territory. Given that WordOfGod states Yawgmoth is DeaderThanDead, it's unlikely the game's most iconic villain will ever be rendered in card form, even ''if'' it wouldn't be the equivalent of having {{God}} as a Top Trumps card.

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** The series' main villain of many years, Yawgmoth, also couldn't get a card printed depicting him because he was so powerful that a large group of old-style planeswalkers (mages powerful enough that they could create their own planes of existence if they wanted to—new-style to�new-style planeswalkers are ''substantially'' weaker) armed with soul-powered nukes could only barely defeat him after hitting him with a weapon forged from Urza's thousands of years of [[ThePlan planning]] on Urza's part. Several cards depicting aspects of Yawgmoth have been printed over the years, including [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=15193 Yawgmoth's Bargain]] and [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=5629 Yawgmoth's Will]], which are well into GameBreaker territory. Given that WordOfGod states Yawgmoth is DeaderThanDead, it's unlikely the game's most iconic villain will ever be rendered in card form, even ''if'' it wouldn't be the equivalent of having {{God}} as a Top Trumps card.



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* While the ''Film/LordOfTheRings'' movies portray heroes such as Boromir or Gimli as capable of successfully defeating dozens of Orcs or Uruks in a single fight, in the ''Lord of the Rings Trading Card Game'' most minions, including not only Nazgûls or Trolls, but about 98% of all "random nameless extra" Orcs, Uruks and Evil Men are stronger than the basic Fellowship members. Thus, the Fellowship has to arm itself with lots and lots of weapons and use various combat support to be able to win skirmishes. And even then, many wounds are taken.
** The game suffered from PowerCreepPowerSeep as well. In the first year of the game Fellowship members (and Arwen) were the strongest companions in the game, while various "random nameless extra" Elves and Dwarves had significantly lower stats and were used for HeroicSacrifice rather than combat. Over time the distinction blurred and the Extras started receiving the same stats as the Heroes, though the Heroes still came with better abilities. And further down the road there came characters who, while important figures in Middle-Earth, only had seconds of screen time and yet were stronger than Aragorn, Éomer, or Gandalf.

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* While the ''Film/LordOfTheRings'' movies portray heroes such as Boromir or Gimli as capable of successfully defeating dozens of Orcs or Uruks in a single fight, in the ''Lord of the Rings Trading Card Game'' most minions, including not only Nazgûls or Trolls, but about 98% of all "random nameless extra" Orcs, Uruks and Evil Men are stronger than the basic Fellowship members. Thus, the Fellowship has to arm itself with lots and lots of weapons and use various combat support to be able to win skirmishes. And even then, many wounds are taken.
** The game suffered from PowerCreepPowerSeep as well. In the first year of the game Fellowship members (and Arwen) were the strongest companions in the game, while various "random nameless extra" Elves and Dwarves had significantly lower stats and were used for HeroicSacrifice rather than combat. Over time the distinction blurred and the Extras started receiving the same stats as the Heroes, though the Heroes still came with better abilities. And further down the road there came characters who, while important figures in Middle-Earth, only had seconds of screen time and yet were stronger than Aragorn, Éomer, or Gandalf.



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* The [[Literature/LordOfTheRings Middle Earth]] CCG was infamous for its "[[WordOfDante Kuduk Lore]]" -- characters essentially created out of thin air by Iron Crown Enterprises to cover the apparent insufficiency of named characters. Many of these came from the Middle-Earth RoleplayingGame. Very few were anything to be proud of -- the names they created for the Nazgûl were especially demoralizing. (Who wants to admit to playing a card named "Dwar of Waw"?) This is made even more galling because the Nazgûl's old names hardly mattered at all; they were little more than the will of Sauron by that point in the narrative. Their faceless malice was more terrifying than any of them could as named individuals. A card called [[YouAreNumberSix Sixth of the Nine]] fits the theme ''and'' would be far scarier. [[note]]In fact, that's essentially what Decipher did with their own Lord of the Rings TCG, with each Nazgûl other than the Witch-King having a quenya name that translates to "Xth Nazgûl".[[/note]]

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* The [[Literature/LordOfTheRings Middle Earth]] CCG was infamous for its "[[WordOfDante Kuduk Lore]]" -- characters essentially created out of thin air by Iron Crown Enterprises to cover the apparent insufficiency of named characters. Many of these came from the Middle-Earth RoleplayingGame. Very few were anything to be proud of -- the names they created for the Nazgûl were especially demoralizing. (Who wants to admit to playing a card named "Dwar of Waw"?) This is made even more galling because the Nazgûl's old names hardly mattered at all; they were little more than the will of Sauron by that point in the narrative. Their faceless malice was more terrifying than any of them could as named individuals. A card called [[YouAreNumberSix Sixth of the Nine]] fits the theme ''and'' would be far scarier. [[note]]In fact, that's essentially what Decipher did with their own Lord of the Rings TCG, with each Nazgûl other than the Witch-King having a quenya name that translates to "Xth Nazgûl".[[/note]]



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** And we go back full circle--the card to beat in the 2011-12 season was Mewtwo-EX. The VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite expansions seems to have made most Legendary Pokémon deliberately stronger and tougher, and the ones who didn't have been given competitive utility. For better or for worse, this means the Pokémon Trading Card Game, in the 5th generation, an aversion to this trope.

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** And we go back full circle--the card to beat in the 2011-12 season was Mewtwo-EX. The VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite expansions seems to have made most Legendary Pokémon deliberately stronger and tougher, and the ones who didn't have been given competitive utility. For better or for worse, this means the Pokémon Trading Card Game, in the 5th generation, an aversion to this trope.



* Amusingly, ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyRecordKeeper'' got the ''video game'' version of this. As a MassivelyMultiplayerCrossover between most of the major ''Final Fantasy'' titles, many characters, heroes, villians, and side, are represented, each with varying levels of PowerCreepPowerSeep applied to them, but also most of them being stronger than ''the main character.'' However, the epitome of this has to go to Echo, a collaboration character from another ''Final Fantasy'' mobile game that [[NoExportForYou only exists in Japan.]] She's also a side character at that. However, upon arriving in ''FFRK'', she received a weapon from the gacha that power creeped '''almost all defensive [[LimitBreak Soul Breaks]] ever''' by adding Hastega to normal defensive buffs. Non-Japanese players started complaining almost immediately about how she had basically outclassed Tyro (the main character) and ''Y'shtola'' (an extremely popular ''FFXIV'' character) in one fell swoop.

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* Amusingly, ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyRecordKeeper'' got the ''video game'' version of this. As a MassivelyMultiplayerCrossover between most of the major ''Final Fantasy'' titles, many characters, heroes, villians, and side, are represented, each with varying levels of PowerCreepPowerSeep applied to them, but also most of them being stronger than ''the main character.'' However, the epitome of this has to go to Echo, a collaboration character from another ''Final Fantasy'' mobile game that [[NoExportForYou only exists in Japan.]] She's also a side character at that. However, upon arriving in ''FFRK'', she received a weapon from the gacha that power creeped '''almost all defensive [[LimitBreak Soul Breaks]] ever''' by adding Hastega to normal defensive buffs. Non-Japanese players started complaining almost immediately about how she had basically outclassed Tyro (the main character) and ''Y'shtola'' (an extremely popular ''FFXIV'' character) in one fell swoop.swoop.

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1st Aug '16 10:01:37 AM Willbyr
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* The short-lived ''InitialD'' card game had a card for a ''car stereo system''. In spite of the fact that stereo systems were never even mentioned in the original manga, anime, nor video game, and none of the characters are the type to ever give a crap about stereo systems.

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* The short-lived ''InitialD'' ''Manga/InitialD'' card game had a card for a ''car stereo system''. In spite of the fact that stereo systems were never even mentioned in the original manga, anime, nor video game, and none of the characters are the type to ever give a crap about stereo systems.
31st Jul '16 8:29:44 AM nombretomado
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* Top Trump decks often demonstrate this trope, either for balance reasons or because of different interpretations of characters. For example, in one DCComics deck, the Penguin and Harley Quinn have the highest Intelligence score in the game, and while they're certainly not stupid they shouldn't be beating DiabolicalMastermind Ra's al Ghul or [[MadScientist Mad Scientists]] Scarecrow and Dr Sivana. Mystic hero Dr Fate has the highest Fighting Skills score, tying with Franchise/{{Batman}} and putting him ahead of Batgirl. In turn, entirely-human characters like Batman, Batgirl, Green Arrow and even Robin can have higher Strength scores than [[SuperStrength superstrong]] characters like Fatality, Aquagirl or Starfire.

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* Top Trump decks often demonstrate this trope, either for balance reasons or because of different interpretations of characters. For example, in one DCComics Creator/DCComics deck, the Penguin and Harley Quinn have the highest Intelligence score in the game, and while they're certainly not stupid they shouldn't be beating DiabolicalMastermind Ra's al Ghul or [[MadScientist Mad Scientists]] Scarecrow and Dr Sivana. Mystic hero Dr Fate has the highest Fighting Skills score, tying with Franchise/{{Batman}} and putting him ahead of Batgirl. In turn, entirely-human characters like Batman, Batgirl, Green Arrow and even Robin can have higher Strength scores than [[SuperStrength superstrong]] characters like Fatality, Aquagirl or Starfire.
14th Jul '16 8:25:29 AM storymasterb
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** ''Anime/CardfightVanguard'' usually averts the trope because the most powerful cards are also those depicting major lore characters. Perhaps the most notable exception is [[http://cardfight.wikia.com/wiki/Harmonics_Messiah Harmonics Messiah]], a being of incredible power which converted a chunk of the invading Link Joker clan into non-hostile inhabitants of the planet Cray and is treated in near-deific terms by the lore, yet in game is a promo Stride with no effect.

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** * ''Anime/CardfightVanguard'' usually averts the trope because the most powerful cards are also those depicting major lore characters. Perhaps the most notable exception is [[http://cardfight.wikia.com/wiki/Harmonics_Messiah Harmonics Messiah]], a being of incredible power which converted a chunk of the invading Link Joker clan into non-hostile inhabitants of the planet Cray and is treated in near-deific terms by the lore, yet in game is a promo Stride with no effect.
14th Jul '16 8:25:11 AM storymasterb
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** ''Anime/CardfightVanguard'' usually averts the trope because the most powerful cards are also those depicting major lore characters. Perhaps the most notable exception is [[http://cardfight.wikia.com/wiki/Harmonics_Messiah Harmonics Messiah]], a being of incredible power which converted a chunk of the invading Link Joker clan into non-hostile inhabitants of the planet Cray and is treated in near-deific terms by the lore, yet in game is a promo Stride with no effect.
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