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20th Feb '17 5:35:20 AM qazwsx
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* Averted in ''Series/QueenSugar'', which has black character with a variety of skin tones. Charley is fair-skinned, due to being biracial, but her half-siblings, Nova and Ralph Angel, are both very dark.
6th Feb '17 12:33:10 PM KizunaTallis
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* A case of this appears in the adaptation of ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' from manga to anime. The manga gave the characters a variety of skin tones, but in the anime everyone except for Cuba was the same color, with Seychelles being a particularly noticeable example. This was eventually fixed in season five when Creator/StudioDeen brought in a new animation team.

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* A case of this appears in the adaptation of ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' from manga to anime. The manga gave the characters a variety of skin tones, but in the anime everyone except for Cuba was the same color, with Seychelles and Egypt being a particularly noticeable example.examples. This was eventually fixed in season five when Creator/StudioDeen brought in a new animation team.
26th Jan '17 9:15:30 AM Wyldchyld
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* Played straight in Western gay culture. Gay people of color with heavy ethnic features are often shunned by the majority of white gays and are rarely featured in gay media, being FetishFuel at best and nonexistent at worst. On dating sites profiles often make falsified claims of being "mixed" for the sole purpose of getting some attention. Racial bias (sometimes leading to flat-out racism) has long been the gay community's [[NotSoDifferent dirty secret]].

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* Played straight in Western gay culture. Gay people of color with heavy ethnic features are often shunned by the majority of white gays and are rarely featured in gay media, being FetishFuel titillation at best and nonexistent at worst. On dating sites profiles often make falsified claims of being "mixed" for the sole purpose of getting some attention. Racial bias (sometimes leading to flat-out racism) has long been the gay community's [[NotSoDifferent dirty secret]].
5th Jan '17 5:31:30 AM fearlessnikki
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* Zoe Kravitz [[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/zoe-kravitz-dark-knight-rises-809141 claims]] that she was denied an audition for ''Film/TheDarkKnightRises'' - with the reasoning being "we're not going urban". Fans assume she was going after the small role of Selina's friend Jen - who ended up played by the very white Juno Temple.



* Simone (Tawny Cypress) from ''Series/{{Heroes}}''.
** Micah is {{justified|Trope}}, however, because he has a white mother.

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* ''Series/{{Heroes}}'':
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Simone (Tawny Cypress) from ''Series/{{Heroes}}''.
was the only prominent woman of colour in the main cast of Season 1, played by the light-skinned Tawny Cypress.
** Micah is {{justified|Trope}}, however, because he has a white mother. And his black father features as a character.



* Averted and played straight in ''Series/SavedByTheBell''. Lisa is the object of Screech's affection, and while certainly a pretty girl, she had very fair skin and angular features, and her hairstyles were rarely very different from Kelly's or Jessie's (it helps that EightiesHair tends to look "ethnic", no matter who is sporting it). The character was originally supposed to be a white Jewish Princess. Lark Voorhies got the role based on the strength of her audition, despite the fact casting specifically asked for only white females.

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* Averted and played straight in ''Series/SavedByTheBell''. ''Series/SavedByTheBell'':
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Lisa is the object of Screech's affection, and while certainly a pretty girl, she had very fair skin and angular features, and her hairstyles were rarely very different from Kelly's or Jessie's (it helps that EightiesHair tends to look "ethnic", no matter who is sporting it). The character was originally supposed to be a white Jewish Princess. Lark Voorhies got the role based on the strength of her audition, despite the fact casting specifically asked for only white females.females.
** The show drew some criticism for ignoring Slater's ethnicity during its run. The character was written to be white but when they couldn't find the right actor - they extended casting calls to actors of colour, and the Hispanic Mario Lopez won the part. An episode of ''The College Years'' reveals that Slater's father changed his last name from the more obviously Latin 'Sanchez' when he joined the army.
** While on the subject of Zack, his actor Mark Paul Gosselaar is mixed race - part Indonesian on his mother's side. But the bleached blond hair he sported for the show's run has the effect of making him look more Anglo.


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* Greek Divas Wrestling/TrishStratus and Wrestling/MariaKanellis notably downplayed their roots while in WWE. Trish's real name is Stratigeas and she's naturally brunette - but her modelling days saw her going for the more neutral name Stratus, bleaching her hair blonde and adopting a bronze tan. Maria too had blonde hair early in her career and later became redhead. She never used her last name while in WWE.
3rd Jan '17 2:26:36 AM the-conundrum
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Variations of this casting trope are also seen in Latin America, Northern Africa/western Asia, and East Asia. This trope is a common source of UnfortunateImplications; given this trope's prevalence throughout the world's entertainment industries, [[Administrivia/TropesAreFlexible there are numerous variations on this trope listed below]]. Note also how the changing definitions of desirability have resulted in new and/or different hiring biases over time.

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Variations of this casting trope are also seen in Latin America, Northern Africa/western Africa/Western Asia, and East Asia. This trope is a common source of UnfortunateImplications; given this trope's prevalence throughout the world's entertainment industries, [[Administrivia/TropesAreFlexible there are numerous variations on this trope listed below]]. Note also how the changing definitions of desirability have resulted in new and/or different hiring biases over time.
3rd Jan '17 2:26:02 AM the-conundrum
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Variations of this casting trope are also seen in Latin America, Northern Africa/Middle East, and East Asia. This trope is a common source of UnfortunateImplications; given this trope's prevalence throughout the world's entertainment industries, [[Administrivia/TropesAreFlexible there are numerous variations on this trope listed below]]. Note also how the changing definitions of desirability have resulted in new and/or different hiring biases over time.

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Variations of this casting trope are also seen in Latin America, Northern Africa/Middle East, Africa/western Asia, and East Asia. This trope is a common source of UnfortunateImplications; given this trope's prevalence throughout the world's entertainment industries, [[Administrivia/TropesAreFlexible there are numerous variations on this trope listed below]]. Note also how the changing definitions of desirability have resulted in new and/or different hiring biases over time.
29th Dec '16 12:03:33 PM TheKaizerreich
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** Averted in ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 4}}'', where the protagonist and their respective spouse can be made to look as convincing in any way as the imagination and player skills reach and black [[NonPlayerCharacter Non-Player Characters]] look just as well.
11th Dec '16 1:28:21 PM LondonKdS
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In a word, this phenomenon has been called "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorism colorism]]". Colourism can also come down to a latent class bias: worldwide, lighter skin (relative to one's own people) has typically been associated with wealth and lounging around indoors, and darker with poverty and working in the fields[[note]] Yes, including societies that didn't have protectorates established over them by and/or had little contact with The European Powers, such as The Empire Of The Qing. [[/note]]. Not until the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII post-war]] period did the trends start to reverse; the only country not devastated by The War, the USA, led a new trend which saw those with wealth being able to afford extended vacations or holidays, [[ButNotTooWhite and the sun-induced tans that came with them]].

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In a word, this phenomenon has been called "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorism colorism]]". Colourism can also come down to a latent class bias: worldwide, lighter skin (relative to one's own people) has typically been associated with wealth and lounging around indoors, and darker with poverty and working in the fields[[note]] Yes, including societies that didn't have protectorates established over them by and/or had little contact with The European Powers, such as The Empire Of The Qing. [[/note]]. Not until the [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII post-war]] period did the trends start to reverse; the only country not devastated by The War, the USA, led a new trend which saw those with wealth being able to afford extended vacations or holidays, [[ButNotTooWhite and the sun-induced tans that came with them]].
them]], while the reduced number of people employed in agriculture meant that poor people were more likely to spend their workdays indoors in factories (or later call centres) instead of out in the fields.
7th Dec '16 6:32:25 AM DrOO7
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* ''Film/SoulFood''. Maxine accuses her son Ahmad of this when she notices that out of the two girls who have come to visit him, he completely ignores the dark-skinned girl in favor of the light-skinned one, even though he has more in common with the darker girl.
6th Dec '16 12:08:09 PM PrincessGwen
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** There's a market in Kenya and Uganda where women buy products that bleaches their skin. It's outlawed in Kenya, but they are still able to buy the products due to smuggling. The products in question are extremely unhealthy, since it gives the women cancer and causes chronic skin poisoning. They use it anyway, because they want to look prettier. What's worse is that they are all encouraged by the culture, since women with a lighter skin have more advantages than a women with the average black skin.
** Women with a lighter skin have more advantages than a women with the average black skin, a huge medical concern in the Caribbean, where darker women are literally rubbing laundry bleach on their and their children's skin.

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** There's a market in Kenya and Uganda where women buy products that bleaches their skin. It's outlawed in Kenya, but they are still able to buy the products due to smuggling. The products in question are extremely unhealthy, since it gives the women cancer and causes chronic skin poisoning. They use it anyway, because they want to look prettier. What's worse is that they are all encouraged by the culture, since women with a lighter skin have more advantages than a women woman with the average black skin.
** Women with a lighter skin have more advantages than a women woman with the average black skin, a huge medical concern in the Caribbean, where darker women are literally rubbing laundry bleach on their and their children's skin.



* ''Another'' X-Men example is Sunspot, who's skin has been lightened over the years, along with a possible RaceLift. Sunspot is Brazilian, specifically of mixed-race Afro-Brazilian and White Brazilian descent and was drawn with dark skin with wavy hair. As the decades passed, Sunspot's skin has gotten lighter and lighter and now in his appearances in Comicbook/NewAvengers and Comicbook/USAvengers make him look like what [[LatinoIsBrown most Americans think Latino people look like]]. Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast casted Adan Canto (a Mexican actor of mixed Amerindian/White descent) as Sunspot, further complicating the issue.

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* ''Another'' X-Men example is Sunspot, who's whose skin has been lightened over the years, along with a possible RaceLift. Sunspot is Brazilian, specifically of mixed-race Afro-Brazilian and White Brazilian descent and was drawn with dark skin with wavy hair. As the decades passed, Sunspot's skin has gotten lighter and lighter and now in his appearances in Comicbook/NewAvengers and Comicbook/USAvengers make him look like what [[LatinoIsBrown most Americans think Latino people look like]]. Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast casted Adan Canto (a Mexican actor of mixed Amerindian/White descent) as Sunspot, further complicating the issue.



* Averted with Comicbook/NickFury Jr/Marcus Johnson, which lead to ''arguments about him being too black'' on the ''Bleeding Cool'' forum. As noted in the forum, its perfectly possible to had very dark skin and 'black features' even when one of your parents are white; its not common, but its not impossible. Some users thought it wasn't and argued that Marcus Johnson couldn't really be Fury's son because he's too black.

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* Averted with Comicbook/NickFury Jr/Marcus Johnson, which lead to ''arguments about him being too black'' on the ''Bleeding Cool'' forum. As noted in the forum, its it's perfectly possible to had have very dark skin and 'black features' even when one of your parents are is white; its it's not common, but its it's not impossible. Some users thought it wasn't and argued that Marcus Johnson couldn't really be Fury's son because he's too black.



* Music/LilKim. When she first came out with ''Hard Core'' [[http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/l/lil-kim/album-hard-core.jpg she looked like this]]. And now she looks less like a light-skinned black person and more like something that crawled out of the UncannyValley. Despite that, she kept the plastic surgery coming, and now people have made some harsh jokes that now she looks closer to [[http://dlisted.com/2013/02/03/open-post-hosted-lil-kims-face "an Asian [=LeToya=] Jackson."]]
* Some rappers have come under fire for praising light skin black women while trashing dark skin women. Rapper Yung Berg, who is barely fair skin, made a statement on XFM radio that he doesn't like dark skin women, going on calling them [[UnfortunateImplications "dark butts"]]. He then states in order for him to date a woman, they must pass a pool test. [[UnfortunateImplications The pool test is if a woman jumps in the pool and don't look better than they did before jumping in, meaning their hair is nappy, then it's "not a good look"]]. The day after he made an apology and stated that his mother is dark skin.

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* Music/LilKim. When she first came out with ''Hard Core'' [[http://images.uulyrics.com/cover/l/lil-kim/album-hard-core.jpg she looked like this]]. And now she looks less like a light-skinned black person and more like something that crawled out of the UncannyValley. Despite that, she kept the plastic surgery coming, and now people have made some harsh jokes that now she looks closer to [[http://dlisted.com/2013/02/03/open-post-hosted-lil-kims-face "an Asian [=LeToya=] [=LaToya=] Jackson."]]
* Some rappers have come under fire for praising light skin skinned black women while trashing dark skin skinned women. Rapper Yung Berg, who is barely fair skin, skinned, made a statement on XFM radio that he doesn't like dark skin skinned women, going on calling them [[UnfortunateImplications "dark butts"]]. He then states in order for him to date a woman, they must pass a pool test. [[UnfortunateImplications The pool test is if a woman jumps in the pool and don't doesn't look better than they she did before jumping in, meaning their her hair is nappy, then it's "not a good look"]]. The day after he made an apology and stated that his mother is dark skin.skinned.



** She could be Aaron's take on a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragic_mulatto Tragic Mulatto]]. Her mother is white and has blonde hair, which explains why Jazmine has lighter hair and skin then other characters.

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** She could be Aaron's take on a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragic_mulatto Tragic Mulatto]]. Her mother is white and has blonde hair, which explains why Jazmine has lighter hair and skin then than other characters.



* Disney's ''WesternAnimation/SofiaTheFirst'' features the first Latina princess, [[http://gawker.com/5952893/disney-declares-its-newest-princess-is-latina-just-so-we-can-all-fight-about-whether-or-not-she-looks-latina?post=53646737 a very fair-skinned girl with reddish auburn hair.]] It is a given that Latinos come in a variety of shades, races and colors but a lot of people are taking issue that Disney declared her Latina just a short time before the show premiered. Mainly the fact that it seems "after the fact" and just declaring her Latina just to have a Latina princess, one of doesn't even debut in proper Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon movie, no less. Not to mention fair-skinned Latinos have more representation in the media. It since seems Disney has {{retcon}}ned her as not being latina. They made such a big deal of another princess, who has [[LatinoIsBrown brown skin]] and black hair, being their "first latina princess".

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* Disney's ''WesternAnimation/SofiaTheFirst'' features the first Latina princess, [[http://gawker.com/5952893/disney-declares-its-newest-princess-is-latina-just-so-we-can-all-fight-about-whether-or-not-she-looks-latina?post=53646737 a very fair-skinned girl with reddish auburn hair.]] It is a given that Latinos come in a variety of shades, races and colors but a lot of people are taking issue that Disney declared her Latina just a short time before the show premiered. Mainly the fact that it seems "after the fact" and just declaring her Latina just to have a Latina princess, one of doesn't even debut in proper Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon movie, no less. Not to mention fair-skinned Latinos have more representation in the media. It since seems Disney has {{retcon}}ned her as not being latina. Latina. They made such a big deal of another princess, who has [[LatinoIsBrown brown skin]] and black hair, being their "first latina Latina princess".



* In the post civil war United States this was very much an invoked trope among the more affluent (or at least financially successful) black community. Back in those days any for of tan on anyone was a sign of poverty because it meant they had to work in the sun. This went double for rich black people who felt they had to distance themselves from "the common negro" as much as possible. As a result these people never went outside without the protection of a wide brim had or a veiled bonnet, so that people wouldn't think they were lowly.

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* In the post civil war Civil War United States this was very much an invoked trope among the more affluent (or at least financially successful) black community. Back in those days days, any for form of a tan on anyone was a sign of poverty because it meant they had to work in the sun. This went double for rich black people who felt they had to distance themselves from "the common negro" as much as possible. As a result these people never went outside without the protection of a wide brim had hat or a veiled bonnet, so that people wouldn't think they were lowly.



* [[http://www.youtube.com/user/taren916#p/u/3/EeEvwTxZpjY This Vlogger]] Talks about how people automatically assume that you're DIRECTLY biracial if you're light complected with curly hair. Not realizing that they could just be black.

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* [[http://www.youtube.com/user/taren916#p/u/3/EeEvwTxZpjY This Vlogger]] Talks talks about how people automatically assume that you're DIRECTLY biracial if you're light complected with curly hair. Not realizing that they could just be black.



* Retired porn star Heather Hunter claimed that earlier in her career she was pressured to do scenes only with white performers. According to another porn industry blog, if the black female performer has a nice body, and especially if she's AmbiguouslyBrown chances are that their partner will almost always be white. Nina Hartley had a alternate explanation, saying that a lot of top white female actresses didn't want to do IR because of the fear of a backlash from their white male audience. However any taboo of interracial porn held by consumers has almost been completely shattered. The ones who refuse to do it likely don't because of a personal preference that they don't want to own up to. Alektra Blue pretty much confirmed the preference thing, At least on her part.

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* Retired porn star Heather Hunter claimed that earlier in her career she was pressured to do scenes only with white performers. According to another porn industry blog, if the black female performer has a nice body, and especially if she's AmbiguouslyBrown chances are that their partner will almost always be white. Nina Hartley had a alternate explanation, saying that a lot of top white female actresses didn't want to do IR because of the fear of a backlash from their white male audience. However any taboo of interracial porn held by consumers has almost been completely shattered. The ones who refuse to do it likely don't because of a personal preference that they don't want to own up to. Alektra Blue pretty much confirmed the preference thing, At at least on her part.



* This is oddly, very common in Latin American media. Although Latin American people comes in a variety of colors due the diversity of their population, given the kind of actors that get main roles in tv, you would think than most of the Latino population are fair skinned Caucasians. Chile may be the worst offender, since most mainstream actors are light haired white actors with colored eyes (and most of them even have Anglo-Saxon surnames) but you just have to take a walk around any Chilean city to notice than most Chilean people have a wide range of brown skin tones, black hair and dark brown eyes. This has more to do with Chile's strong classism than an outright racism, since European-features are associated with a high economical and social position. However, since opportunities for the low and middle class have risen and the riches families have been diluted and dispersed (There are people with "important" last names that aren't getting any money outside their jobs because they are way too distant relatives) the portrayal of dark skinned Latinos in major roles has become bigger, although is still small comparing it to the real population and it's still played straight in advertising, where it seems that 90% of Chilean population is blue-eyed and blond, for example in an TV Spot for an Eye Glasses store about "How Chileans see themselves" everyone except for one guy were either blonde or light brown haired, even when they mention diversity and showed an Afro-descendant woman, said woman was a very light skinned black that looked very different to the average Afro-Latina woman.
* There are plenty of places -- in the Caribbean for example -- where there are layers and layers of this. History records that quite a few of the immigrants to the UK from the Caribbean were appalled to be described as 'black', having been several grades of colourism 'higher' back home. The British, for their part, have a distressing historical tendency to take the "one drop" rule UpToEleven; our racists target basically ''everyone'' who isn't "ethnically British"[[note]]which makes even less sense than "ethnically American", but hey[[/note]], which is even-handed if nothing else.
* This was a trope in Trinidadian calypso music of the 50s too. You couldn't be 'too African', nor could you be 'too Indian', 'too Chinese', and there was something of a class divide between all of them. Lighter skinned calypsonians saw a better chance of breaking in the US, which naturally saw bitter rivalries (Harry Belafonte vs. anyone singing their own original stuff, basically) Even being from another Caribbean country might get you stigmatised (Trinis were not big fans of being associated with Jamaicans, because Trinidad is a much richer country).
* Like [[EagleLand their northern neighbors]] Cubanos also acknowledge the one drop rule, but its inverted in that having a single drop of white blood makes you white. Many people defend their whiteness no matter how prominent their African features are leading to the saying, "White with your hat on, black with it off."
* Most residents of the Dominican Republic have some African ancestry, but since all things African are associated with "job stealing" Haitian migrant workers, it's hair straightening is a popular way for Dominicans to distance themselves from any such associations, while skin color, no matter how dark it is, will be attributed to Amerindian heritage, usually Taino, rather than anything African. Even socially, practitioners of African derived religions, such as the ever popular Voudon branches, will mask it with Spanish or English names, so as to distinguish themselves from what they think Haitians are practicing, even though the fundamental aspects remain the same.

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* This is oddly, very common in Latin American media. Although Latin American people comes come in a variety of colors due the diversity of their population, given the kind of actors that get main roles in tv, you would think than that most of the Latino population are fair skinned Caucasians. Chile may be the worst offender, since most mainstream actors are light haired white actors with colored eyes (and most of them even have Anglo-Saxon surnames) but you just have to take a walk around any Chilean city to notice than that most Chilean people have a wide range of brown skin tones, black hair and dark brown eyes. This has more to do with Chile's strong classism than an outright racism, since European-features are associated with a high economical and social position. However, since opportunities for the low and middle class have risen and the riches richest families have been diluted and dispersed (There are people with "important" last names that aren't getting any money outside their jobs because they are way too distant relatives) the portrayal of dark skinned Latinos in major roles has become bigger, although it is still small comparing it to the real population and it's still played straight in advertising, where it seems that 90% of Chilean population is blue-eyed and blond, for example in an a TV Spot for an Eye Glasses store about "How Chileans see themselves" everyone except for one guy were either blonde or light brown haired, even when they mention diversity and showed an Afro-descendant Afro-descended woman, said woman was a very light skinned black that looked very different to the average Afro-Latina woman.
* There are plenty of places -- in the Caribbean for example -- where there are layers and layers of this. History records that quite a few of the immigrants to the UK from the Caribbean were appalled to be described as 'black', having been several grades of colourism 'higher' back home. The British, for their part, have a distressing historical tendency to take the "one drop" rule UpToEleven; our their racists target basically ''everyone'' who isn't "ethnically British"[[note]]which makes even less sense than "ethnically American", but hey[[/note]], which is even-handed if nothing else.
* This was a trope in Trinidadian calypso music of the 50s too. You couldn't be 'too African', nor could you be 'too Indian', 'too Chinese', and there was something of a class divide between all of them. Lighter skinned calypsonians Calypsonians saw a better chance of breaking in the US, which naturally saw bitter rivalries (Harry Belafonte vs. anyone singing their own original stuff, basically) Even being from another Caribbean country might get you stigmatised (Trinis were not big fans of being associated with Jamaicans, because Trinidad is a much richer country).
* Like [[EagleLand their northern neighbors]] Cubanos also acknowledge the one drop rule, but its it's inverted in that having a single drop of white blood makes you white. Many people defend their whiteness no matter how prominent their African features are leading to the saying, "White with your hat on, black with it off."
* Most residents of the Dominican Republic have some African ancestry, but since all things African are associated with "job stealing" Haitian migrant workers, it's its hair straightening is a popular way for Dominicans to distance themselves from any such associations, while skin color, no matter how dark it is, will be attributed to Amerindian heritage, usually Taino, rather than anything African. Even socially, practitioners of African derived religions, such as the ever popular Voudon branches, will mask it with Spanish or English names, so as to distinguish themselves from what they think Haitians are practicing, even though the fundamental aspects remain the same.
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