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10th Sep '17 11:26:11 AM KaratekaKid
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* This is not something that one would aim to do in real fencing, however. One parries with the flat of the blade, since the sharp edge would get damaged from the strike, and there's no chance that either side will try to lean one another down; instant counterattack is the only rational response. One of the most common ones is to strike back with the sword's pommel, while still holding the parry with the blade, but there are numerous variations.
** Use of the edge or flat in a parry is a matter of some ongoing debate, as most fechtbuchen specify when to parry with the flat suggesting this is ''not'' the standard approach. Further, practical testing shows parrying with your flat actually makes you WEAKER in the bind. Now, parrying to your ''opponent's'' flat with your edge provides quite an advantage of leverage in the bind...
** Others in this debate make a distinction between parrying edge-on-edge versus edge-on-flat, with the former being what most have in mind when discouraging the use of edge parries.


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** The main reason that this technique (called "binding") works is due to the edges in both swords ever so slightly "biting" into one-another, allowing leverage in directions other than forwards.
** There are some times where the historical sources advocate parrying with the flat (rather than the edge), however these are usually more deflecting than stopping actions, and don't involve much bind-work
21st Aug '17 2:16:23 PM xcountryguy
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* Done in ''Film/ByTheSword'' as a BreakingSpeech to [[spoiler: Villard by Suba about what really happened the night Suba killed Villard's father.]]

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* Done in ''Film/ByTheSword'' as a BreakingSpeech to [[spoiler: Villard [[spoiler:Villard by Suba about what really happened the night Suba killed Villard's father.]]



** In Season 4 after Jaime has his sword hand amputated, he gets a magnificent gilded-steel hand to replace it and trains with sellsword Bronn in fighting with his left hand. [[spoiler: Jaime regularly gets his ass kicked, but at one point he catches Bronn's blade in his own and grins, thinking he's finally got the advantage. Bronn reaches down, twists off Jaime's fake hand and smacks him in the face with it.]]

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** In Season 4 after Jaime has his sword hand amputated, he gets a magnificent gilded-steel hand to replace it and trains with sellsword Bronn in fighting with his left hand. [[spoiler: Jaime [[spoiler:Jaime regularly gets his ass kicked, but at one point he catches Bronn's blade in his own and grins, thinking he's finally got the advantage. Bronn reaches down, twists off Jaime's fake hand and smacks him in the face with it.]]



* Similarly, there is a move in ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'' called "chance" that basically initiates this. It's [[spoiler: the easiest way to beat the final boss]].

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* Similarly, there is a move in ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaTwilightPrincess'' called "chance" that basically initiates this. It's [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the easiest way to beat the final boss]].



* In ''Videogame/DarkSiders'', War can lock blades with one of the enemy angels. It's also necessary to win the final fight [[spoiler: against Abaddon.]]

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* In ''Videogame/DarkSiders'', War can lock blades with one of the enemy angels. It's also necessary to win the final fight [[spoiler: against [[spoiler:against Abaddon.]]
16th Aug '17 8:25:06 PM ultimomant
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** Karl Tanner kicks Jon Snow in the shin when they lock blades.

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** Karl Tanner spits in Jon Snow's eyes and then kicks Jon Snow him in the shin when they lock blades.
16th Aug '17 8:23:23 PM ultimomant
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* Happened a few times on ''Manga/RurouniKenshin''. When this happened to Yahiko, he did the smart thing and [[GroinAttack kicked Gohei in the nuts]].

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* Happened a few times on ''Manga/RurouniKenshin''. ''Manga/RurouniKenshin'':
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When this happened to Yahiko, he did the smart thing and [[GroinAttack kicked Gohei in the nuts]].


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** Karl Tanner kicks Jon Snow in the shin when they lock blades.
4th Aug '17 3:58:44 PM erana
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Technically, this is called ''tsuba zeriai'' in kendo and ''anbinden'' or simply "bind" in the medieval German longsword tradition, where both parties try to gain a position for an attack by jockeying around so that the 'strong' (the half closer to the hilt) of one's blade is pressing against the opponent's 'weak' (the other half); the kinds of attacks that can be launched from this position vary from thrusts and snapping cuts around the opponent's blade to trapping (including the famous GroinAttack), grappling, and tripping/throwing movements. Also called "''[[GratuitousFrench corps à corps]]''" ([[ConvenientlyPreciseTranslation body to body]]) in fencing/stage combat.

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Technically, this is called ''tsuba zeriai'' in kendo and ''anbinden'' or simply "bind" in the medieval German longsword tradition, where both parties try to gain a position for an attack by jockeying around so that the 'strong' (the half closer to the hilt) of one's blade is pressing against the opponent's 'weak' (the other half); the kinds of attacks that can be launched from this position vary from thrusts and snapping cuts around the opponent's blade to trapping (including the famous GroinAttack), grappling, and tripping/throwing movements. Also called "''[[GratuitousFrench corps à corps]]''" ([[ConvenientlyPreciseTranslation body to body]]) in fencing/stage combat.
combat. But take notice that in RealLife, such blade locks are ideally brief moments before transitioning into the moves just mentioned, and not the ideal chances for [[TalkingIsAFreeAction extended conversations]] or pushing contests that fiction usually depicts.
24th Jun '17 1:19:12 PM valos
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** Others in this debate make a distinction between parrying edge-on-edge versus edge-on-flat, with the former being what most have in mind when discouraging the use of edge parries.
21st Apr '17 9:58:13 PM nombretomado
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* In ''VideoGame/SuikodenV'' (and probably earlier ones in the [[{{Suikoden}} series]] too) during a one-on-one "[[DuelBoss duel]]" battle, your protagonist almost always gets in at least one of these, requiring you to mash buttons as fast as you can to push the opponent back until the lock is over. Note that at least in this particular iteration, the protagonist doesn't actually use a blade, nor do many of his opponents, and yet you still get the "weapon lock" showing up.

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* In ''VideoGame/SuikodenV'' (and probably earlier ones in the [[{{Suikoden}} [[VideoGame/{{Suikoden}} series]] too) during a one-on-one "[[DuelBoss duel]]" battle, your protagonist almost always gets in at least one of these, requiring you to mash buttons as fast as you can to push the opponent back until the lock is over. Note that at least in this particular iteration, the protagonist doesn't actually use a blade, nor do many of his opponents, and yet you still get the "weapon lock" showing up.
22nd Mar '17 5:55:56 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* Frequently in the ''Franchise/StarWars'' films. Note that this is an unbelievably stupid idea, as the lack of a crossguard on most sabers would mean that if their opponent slid the blade up [[AbsurdlySharpBlade they'd probably lose half their hand]], not to mention quite possibly [[WreckedWeapon having their lightsaber destroyed.]]
** Obi-Wan does exactly this to cut off two of General Grievous' arms in ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith''.

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* Frequently in the ''Franchise/StarWars'' films. (Indeed, among writers for ''Franchise/StarWars'' movies, this Trope seems to be required by law when choreographing a dramatic lightsaber duel.) Note that this is an unbelievably stupid idea, as the lack of a crossguard on most sabers would mean that if their opponent slid the blade up [[AbsurdlySharpBlade they'd probably lose half their hand]], not to mention quite possibly [[WreckedWeapon having their lightsaber destroyed.]]
]] But then, many sources claim that a lightsaber can only be properly used by someone with Force powers and anyone who does not risks killing himself anyway.)
** Obi-Wan does exactly this to cut off two of General Grievous' arms in ''Film/RevengeOfTheSith''. (But then, as previously stated, Obi-Wan is a Jedi, while Grievous is [[FridgeLogic one of the few non-force users to wield a lightsaber with any amount of skill]].)
18th Mar '17 10:55:15 PM JackG
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones''. In Season 4 after Jaime Lannister has his sword hand amputated, he gets a magnificent gilded-steel hand to replace it and trains with sellsword Bronn in fighting with his left hand. [[spoiler: Jaime regularly gets his ass kicked, but at one point he catches Bronn's blade in his own and grins, thinking he's finally got the advantage. Bronn reaches down, twists off Jaime's fake hand and smacks him in the face with it.]]

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones''. ''Series/GameOfThrones''.
** In Season 1, Jaime Lannister catches Jory's sword this way, then stabs him in the eye with a dagger held in his other hand.
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In Season 4 after Jaime Lannister has his sword hand amputated, he gets a magnificent gilded-steel hand to replace it and trains with sellsword Bronn in fighting with his left hand. [[spoiler: Jaime regularly gets his ass kicked, but at one point he catches Bronn's blade in his own and grins, thinking he's finally got the advantage. Bronn reaches down, twists off Jaime's fake hand and smacks him in the face with it.]]
31st Jan '17 3:58:24 AM GrammarNavi
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* ''Videogame/SonicRush'' has [[spoiler:Sonic and Blaze doing this with their heads towards the end of the boss fight at Dead Line. To finish off Blaze/Sonic (depending on the character you are using) you need to tap the A and B buttons. During this, the screen slowly turns. If the camera turns so that Blaze's/Sonic's back is facing, that means you are going to lose, and if you do not react fast enough, you will be pushed off the platform and lose a life, meaning it's back to the start of the boss fight. Overpowering Blaze/Sonic will push Blaze/Sonic off the platform, giving you the win.]]

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* ''Videogame/SonicRush'' has [[spoiler:Sonic and Blaze Blaze]] doing a variation of this with their heads towards the end of the boss fight at Dead Line. To finish off Blaze/Sonic (depending on the character you are using) you need Line, aiming to tap the A and B buttons. During this, the screen slowly turns. If the camera turns so that Blaze's/Sonic's back is facing, that means you are going to lose, and if you do not react fast enough, you will be pushed push each other off the platform and lose a life, meaning it's back to the start of the boss fight. Overpowering Blaze/Sonic will push Blaze/Sonic off the platform, giving you the win.]]platform.
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