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12th Mar '17 1:55:17 PM nombretomado
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* Moors in the Merry Men of ''Film/RobinHood'', something introduced with the character of Nasir in {{ITV}}'s ''Series/RobinOfSherwood'', and subsequently taken-up in the film ''Film/RobinHoodPrinceOfThieves'' with [[MorganFreeman Azeem]], and the latest series from Creator/TheBBC (not to mention [[Creator/DaveChappelle Achoo]] in ''[[Film/RobinHoodMenInTights Men in Tights]]''). The BBC version takes this trend a step further, as there is at least one black character working for the Sheriff, and a black thief is taken seriously when she claims to be the leader of an order of nuns; unlike the Arabic characters, the black characters are portrayed as fully accepted members of medieval English society.

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* Moors in the Merry Men of ''Film/RobinHood'', something introduced with the character of Nasir in {{ITV}}'s ''Series/RobinOfSherwood'', and subsequently taken-up in the film ''Film/RobinHoodPrinceOfThieves'' with [[MorganFreeman [[Creator/MorganFreeman Azeem]], and the latest series from Creator/TheBBC (not to mention [[Creator/DaveChappelle Achoo]] in ''[[Film/RobinHoodMenInTights Men in Tights]]''). The BBC version takes this trend a step further, as there is at least one black character working for the Sheriff, and a black thief is taken seriously when she claims to be the leader of an order of nuns; unlike the Arabic characters, the black characters are portrayed as fully accepted members of medieval English society.
2nd Mar '17 5:37:50 PM WillKeaton
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* Andromeda, the DamselInDistress in the [[Myth/ClassicalMythology myth about Perseus]], is the daughter of the Ethiopian king Cepheus. But [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Persus_wiewael.jpg in most illustrations]], [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Rembrandt_Harmensz._van_Rijn_011.jpg her skin colour]] [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/1840_Chasseriau_Theodore_-_Andromeda_Chained_to_the_Rock_by_the_Nereids.jpg is decidedly]] [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Paul_Gustave_Dore_Andromeda.jpg very un-Ethiopian]]. (NSFW, if your boss doesn't like nipples!) [[JustifiedTrope Although:]] According to the TangledFamilyTree of the Greek mythological characters, she wasn't ethnically Ethiopian anyway, at least not 100 %. (Her father's ancestry can be traced back to Poseidon, but there is no information about where her mother Cassiopeia comes from.) Also, some people speculate that Cepheus' kingdom wasn't ''that'' Ethiopia.[[note]]At several times throughout history, "Ethiopia" meant literally any place in Africa, so it's entirely possible she came from a northern pre-Muslim African nation -- the people there would have had skin and hair colors much closer to ancient Greeks, and when one factors in how many mixed marriages there were between the various cultures, it makes more sense. The problem is that there were text describing Andromeda's dark skin. Possibly not black, but not actually until later artists decided not to depict her as such.[[/note]]

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* Andromeda, the DamselInDistress in the [[Myth/ClassicalMythology myth about Perseus]], is the daughter of the Ethiopian king Cepheus. But [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Persus_wiewael.jpg in most illustrations]], [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/Rembrandt_Harmensz._van_Rijn_011.jpg her skin colour]] [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/1840_Chasseriau_Theodore_-_Andromeda_Chained_to_the_Rock_by_the_Nereids.jpg is decidedly]] [[http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Paul_Gustave_Dore_Andromeda.jpg very un-Ethiopian]]. un-Ethiopian.]] (NSFW, if your boss doesn't like nipples!) [[JustifiedTrope Although:]] According to the TangledFamilyTree of the Greek mythological characters, she wasn't ethnically Ethiopian anyway, at least not 100 %. (Her father's ancestry can be traced back to Poseidon, but there is no information about where her mother Cassiopeia comes from.) Also, some people speculate that Cepheus' kingdom wasn't ''that'' Ethiopia.[[note]]At several times throughout history, "Ethiopia" meant literally any place in Africa, so it's entirely possible she came from a northern pre-Muslim African nation -- the people there would have had skin and hair colors much closer to ancient Greeks, and when one factors in how many mixed marriages there were between the various cultures, it makes more sense. The problem is that there were text describing Andromeda's dark skin. Possibly not black, but not actually until later artists decided not to depict her as such.[[/note]]
2nd Mar '17 5:31:45 PM WillKeaton
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** "The Girl in the Fireplace" has a black noblewoman in the Court of Louis XVI. Some fans have [[FanWank attempted to explain]] this by pointing out the existence of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevalier_de_Saint-Georges Chevalier de Saint Georges]], a real eighteenth-century composer and musician known as "the black Mozart", who did in fact perform at Versailles. It's especially jarring considering there is an Orientalist portrait of Madame de Pompadour dressed like a Turkish sultana and being served by a black slave girl -- an exotic possession, for crying out loud.[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:C._van_Loo_Sultane.jpg]] Angel Coulby, the actress who played the black noblewoman, also played Gwen on ''Series/{{Merlin}}''.

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** "The Girl in the Fireplace" has a black noblewoman in the Court of Louis XVI. Some fans have [[FanWank attempted to explain]] this by pointing out the existence of the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevalier_de_Saint-Georges Chevalier de Saint Georges]], a real eighteenth-century composer and musician known as "the black Mozart", who did in fact perform at Versailles. It's especially jarring considering there is an Orientalist portrait of Madame de Pompadour dressed like a Turkish sultana and being served by a black slave girl -- an exotic possession, for crying out loud.[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:C._van_Loo_Sultane.jpg]] jpg an exotic possession, for crying out loud.]] Angel Coulby, the actress who played the black noblewoman, also played Gwen on ''Series/{{Merlin}}''.
2nd Mar '17 5:30:24 PM WillKeaton
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* ''Film/{{Thor}}'', based on the comic book, has two examples of non-whites among Norse Gods. In the movie, the idea is put forth that the Asgardians aren't really gods but [[HumanAliens extradimensional beings]] that the Scandanavians mistook for deities after seeing them battle Frost Giants on Earth. It's also a manner of the Asgardians in the Marvel universe not actually being exactly the same as real-world Aesir mythology. Amusingly, the Asgardian played by a black actor was Heimdall, described in Norse mythology as "the whitest of the gods".

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* ''Film/{{Thor}}'', based on the comic book, has two examples of non-whites among Norse Gods. In the movie, the idea is put forth that the Asgardians aren't really gods but [[HumanAliens extradimensional beings]] that the Scandanavians mistook for deities after seeing them battle Frost Giants on Earth. It's also a manner of the Asgardians in the Marvel universe not actually being exactly the same as real-world Aesir mythology. Amusingly, the Asgardian played by a black actor was Heimdall, is described in Norse mythology as "the whitest of the gods".
2nd Mar '17 5:29:17 PM WillKeaton
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* ''Film/{{MASH}}'', set during the Korean War, featured a black surgeon. The [[Series/{{MASH}} TV show]] followed suit for a few episodes until the anachronism was pointed out to the producers). While ostensibly set in the 1950's, ''M*A*S*H'' was ultimately pretty much a mix of UsefulNotes/VietnamWar and (then-)PresentDayPast, anyway. Presumably, the producers never bothered to check any sources about the 8055th MASH, the real unit in Korea the movie was based on which ''did'' have a black surgeon on staff. (The U.S. Army wasn't fully integrated until 1954, one year after the Korean conflict ended, but piecemeal integration had occurred in the 1940s and even earlier.)

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* ''Film/{{MASH}}'', set during the Korean War, featured a black surgeon. The [[Series/{{MASH}} TV show]] followed suit for a few episodes until the anachronism was pointed out to the producers).producers. While ostensibly set in the 1950's, ''M*A*S*H'' was ultimately pretty much a mix of UsefulNotes/VietnamWar and (then-)PresentDayPast, anyway. Presumably, the producers never bothered to check any sources about the 8055th MASH, the real unit in Korea the movie was based on which ''did'' have a black surgeon on staff. (The U.S. Army wasn't fully integrated until 1954, one year after the Korean conflict ended, but piecemeal integration had occurred in the 1940s and even earlier.)
2nd Mar '17 5:28:58 PM WillKeaton
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* ''Film/{{MASH}}'', set during the Korean War, featured a black surgeon. Tthe [[Series/{{MASH}} TV show]] followed suit for a few episodes until the anachronism was pointed out to the producers). While ostensibly set in the 1950's, ''M*A*S*H'' was ultimately pretty much a mix of UsefulNotes/VietnamWar and (then-)PresentDayPast, anyway. Presumably, the producers never bothered to check any sources about the 8055th MASH, the real unit in Korea the movie was based on which ''did'' have a black surgeon on staff. (The U.S. Army wasn't fully integrated until 1954, one year after the Korean conflict ended, but piecemeal integration had occurred in the 1940s and even earlier.)

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* ''Film/{{MASH}}'', set during the Korean War, featured a black surgeon. Tthe The [[Series/{{MASH}} TV show]] followed suit for a few episodes until the anachronism was pointed out to the producers). While ostensibly set in the 1950's, ''M*A*S*H'' was ultimately pretty much a mix of UsefulNotes/VietnamWar and (then-)PresentDayPast, anyway. Presumably, the producers never bothered to check any sources about the 8055th MASH, the real unit in Korea the movie was based on which ''did'' have a black surgeon on staff. (The U.S. Army wasn't fully integrated until 1954, one year after the Korean conflict ended, but piecemeal integration had occurred in the 1940s and even earlier.)
2nd Mar '17 5:27:56 PM WillKeaton
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* Subverted in an issue of ''ComicBook/TheSandman'' featuring the immortal Hob Gadling attending a Renaissance fair with his current girlfriend (and [[DeadpanSnarker making a lot of cutting comments about it]].) When Hob asks his girlfriend why she isn't the Queen of the Fair, she points out her ethnicity (she's black) and the fact that the fair is trying to be at least ''a little'' authentic (she specifically says, "There were no black Queens of England.") To which Hob immediately replies, "Catherine of Aragon. If she'd been living in Selma, Alabama in the early 60s, they'd have made her ride at the back of the bus." Presumably, he would have to have been referring to the "just one drop" rule since it has been claimed, although not substantiated, that Catherine of Aragon had a black (or Moorish) ancestor just a few generations back, considering that [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/people/catherine_of_aragon/ Catherine had red hair, blue eyes, and very fair skin]].

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* Subverted in an issue of ''ComicBook/TheSandman'' featuring the immortal Hob Gadling attending a Renaissance fair with his current girlfriend (and [[DeadpanSnarker making a lot of cutting comments about it]].) When Hob asks his girlfriend why she isn't the Queen of the Fair, she points out her ethnicity (she's black) and the fact that the fair is trying to be at least ''a little'' authentic (she specifically says, "There were no black Queens of England.") To which Hob immediately replies, "Catherine of Aragon. If she'd been living in Selma, Alabama in the early 60s, they'd have made her ride at the back of the bus." Presumably, he would have to have been referring to the "just one drop" rule since it has been claimed, although not substantiated, that Catherine of Aragon had a black (or Moorish) ancestor just a few generations back, considering that [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/people/catherine_of_aragon/ Catherine had red hair, blue eyes, and very fair skin]]. skin.]]
2nd Mar '17 5:27:27 PM WillKeaton
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It is possible that when a Black Viking appears in film or TV, the character is not intended to be seen as the same race as the actor. The actor used might have simply been the best available for the role, and the writers are merely asking us to use our imagination to make the actor's physical appearance fit the character's. This is actually standard doctrine for modern stage theatrical productions as is called "non-traditional" or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour-blind_casting colour-blind casting]], referring to "the casting of ethnic minority and female actors in roles where race, ethnicity, or sex is not germane."

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It is possible that when a Black Viking appears in film or TV, the character is not intended to be seen as the same race as the actor. The actor used might have simply been the best available for the role, and the writers are merely asking us to use our imagination to make the actor's physical appearance fit the character's. This is actually standard doctrine for modern stage theatrical productions as is called "non-traditional" or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour-blind_casting colour-blind casting]], casting,]] referring to "the casting of ethnic minority and female actors in roles where race, ethnicity, or sex is not germane."
26th Jan '17 11:03:07 PM Doodler
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* Parodied in ''WebVideo/DiamandaHagan'''s review of "Vikingdom" when they talk about how historically inaccurate the film is and Malcolm shows up in Viking costume. Happy Viking, Malcolm, and Diamanda get so caught up in the argument that it takes them a while to realize they're all completely aware that black Vikings did in fact exist and Diamanda was complaining about Malcolm not wearing accurate Viking clothes.

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* Parodied in ''WebVideo/DiamandaHagan'''s review of "Vikingdom" when they talk about how historically inaccurate the film is and Malcolm shows up in Viking costume. Happy Viking, Malcolm, and Diamanda get so caught up in the argument that it takes them a while to realize they're all completely aware that black Vikings did in fact exist and Diamanda was complaining about Malcolm not wearing accurate Viking clothes.exist.
26th Jan '17 11:01:50 PM Doodler
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* Parodied in ''WebVideo/DiamandaHagan'''s review of "Vikingdom" when they talk about how historically inaccurate the film is and Malcolm shows up in Viking costume. Happy Viking, Malcolm, and Diamanda get so caught up in the argument that it takes them a while to realize they're all completely aware that black Vikings did in fact exist and Diamanda was complaining about Malcolm not wearing accurate Viking clothes.
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