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* Inverted in one HistoryChannel documentary about the US Civil War. While discussing "the men whose money allowed the Confederacy to survive as long as it did", Virginia patriot Alfred Samson Bell is mentioned and profiled. In the documentary, he is depicted by a white actor. The problem is, the real Alfred Samson Bell was black, a plantation owner, and a slave owner who threw his entire fortune behind the war because he was "a true son of Virginia".

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* Inverted [[PoliticallyCorrectHistory to avert controversy]] in one a HistoryChannel documentary about the US Civil War. While discussing "the men whose money allowed the Confederacy to survive as long as it did", Virginia patriot Alfred Samson Bell is mentioned and profiled. In the documentary, he is depicted by a white actor. The problem is, the real Alfred Samson Bell was black, a plantation owner, and a slave owner who threw his entire fortune behind the war because he was "a true son of Virginia".
29th Aug '16 1:48:44 AM frogpatrol
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Depending on the time and place, this can actually be [[AluminumChristmasTrees realistic]]. Trade-cities have always been ethnic mash-ups, and soldiers and sailors have always been extraordinarily diverse lots. Some racial groups managed to travel far from home much sooner than most people assume.

It is possible that when a Black Viking appears in film or TV, the character is not intended to be seen as the same race as the actor. The actor used might have simply been the best available for the role, and the writers are merely asking us to use our imagination to make the actor's physical appearance fit the character's. This is actually standard doctrine for modern stage theatrical productions.

This practice is sometimes called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour-blind_casting "colour-blind casting,"]] referring to "the casting of ethnic minority and female actors in roles where race, ethnicity, or sex is not germane."

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Depending on the time and place, this can actually be [[AluminumChristmasTrees realistic]]. Trade-cities Trade cities have always been ethnic mash-ups, and soldiers and sailors have always been extraordinarily diverse lots. Some racial groups managed to travel far travelled farther from home much sooner than most people would assume.

It is possible that when a Black Viking appears in film or TV, the character is not intended to be seen as the same race as the actor. The actor used might have simply been the best available for the role, and the writers are merely asking us to use our imagination to make the actor's physical appearance fit the character's. This is actually standard doctrine for modern stage theatrical productions.

This practice
productions as is sometimes called "non-traditional" or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour-blind_casting "colour-blind casting,"]] colour-blind casting]], referring to "the casting of ethnic minority and female actors in roles where race, ethnicity, or sex is not germane."



Subtrope of PoliticallyCorrectHistory. See also NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent, RaceLift.

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Subtrope A subtrope of PoliticallyCorrectHistory. See also Compare with NotEvenBotheringWithTheAccent, RaceLift.



* In ''Manga/FushigiYuugi'', Nakago is blonde-haired and blue-eyed, yet living in Ancient China. He's explicitly stated to be a foreigner, later revealed to be a member of a tribe that lived in the Kutou region that tended to have those traits. There may be some basis to this. See the Real Life section for details.
* Karin from ''Manga/UQHolder'' could easily pass as being Japanese, despite the fact that she's implied to be [[spoiler:Judas Iscariot]].

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* In ''Manga/FushigiYuugi'', Nakago is blonde-haired and blue-eyed, yet living lives in Ancient ancient China. He's explicitly stated to be a foreigner, foreigner and later revealed to be a member of a tribe that lived in the Kutou region that tended to have those traits. There may might be some factual basis to this. See the Real Life section for details.
* Karin from ''Manga/UQHolder'' could easily pass as being Japanese, despite the fact that though she's implied to be [[spoiler:Judas Iscariot]].



* Subverted in an issue of ''ComicBook/TheSandman'' featuring the immortal Hob Gadling attending a Renaissance fair with his current girlfriend (and [[DeadpanSnarker making a lot of cutting comments about it]].) When Hob asks his girlfriend why she isn't the Queen of the Fair, she points out her ethnicity (she's black) and the fact that the fair is trying to be at least ''a little'' authentic (she specifically says "There were no black Queens of England.") To which Hob immediately replies "Catherine of Aragon. If she'd been living in Selma, Alabama in the early 60s, they'd have made her ride at the back of the bus." Presumably, he would have to have been referring to the "just one drop" rule since it has been claimed, although not substantiated, that Catherine of Aragon had a black (or Moorish) ancestor just a few generations back, considering that [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/people/catherine_of_aragon/ Catherine had red hair, blue eyes, and very fair skin]].
* On at least one occasion, the African-American Gabe Jones, of ComicBook/NickFury's HowlingCommandos, impersonated a German soldier. He appeared to have no greater or lesser difficulty pulling this off than any of the white Howlers, which is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_black_people_in_Nazi_Germany#In_the_armed_forces actually]] a case of RealityIsUnrealistic. Gabe's presence in the Howling Commandos is itself an example, as the US Army was segregated during World War II. The same can be said of Jackie Johnson in ''ComicBook/SgtRock'''s Easy Company.

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* Subverted in an issue of ''ComicBook/TheSandman'' featuring the immortal Hob Gadling attending a Renaissance fair with his current girlfriend (and [[DeadpanSnarker making a lot of cutting comments about it]].) When Hob asks his girlfriend why she isn't the Queen of the Fair, she points out her ethnicity (she's black) and the fact that the fair is trying to be at least ''a little'' authentic (she specifically says says, "There were no black Queens of England.") To which Hob immediately replies replies, "Catherine of Aragon. If she'd been living in Selma, Alabama in the early 60s, they'd have made her ride at the back of the bus." Presumably, he would have to have been referring to the "just one drop" rule since it has been claimed, although not substantiated, that Catherine of Aragon had a black (or Moorish) ancestor just a few generations back, considering that [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/people/catherine_of_aragon/ Catherine had red hair, blue eyes, and very fair skin]].
* On at At least one occasion, once, the African-American soldier Gabe Jones, of ComicBook/NickFury's HowlingCommandos, impersonated a German soldier. He appeared to have no greater or lesser difficulty pulling this off than any of the white Howlers, which is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_black_people_in_Nazi_Germany#In_the_armed_forces actually]] a case of RealityIsUnrealistic. Gabe's presence in the Howling Commandos is itself an example, though, as the US Army was segregated during World War II. The same can be said of Jackie Johnson in ''ComicBook/SgtRock'''s Easy Company.



* In ''Truth: Red, White, and Black''; a young black man tells a racist WWII veteran that his grandfather also fought in the war -- for the Germans. He goes into some detail about Germany's black population, and how they'd been there for hundreds of years.

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* In ''Truth: Red, White, and Black''; Black'', a young black man tells a racist WWII veteran that his grandfather also fought in the war -- war... for the Germans. He goes into some detail about Germany's black population, and how they'd been there for hundreds of years.



* ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfKells'' portrays an Italian, British, Chinese and African monk living in the monastery in Ireland. As recounted in ''How The Irish Saved Civilization'', though, refugees from all over the Roman world went to Ireland fleeing the Barbarian Horde, so the monks of Ireland at the time would in theory, be cosmopolitan.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheSecretOfKells'' portrays has an Italian, British, Chinese and African monk living in the monastery in Ireland. As recounted in ''How The Irish Saved Civilization'', though, refugees from all over the Roman world went to Ireland fleeing the Barbarian Horde, barbarian horde, so the monks of Ireland at the time would in theory, be cosmopolitan.cosmopolitan. ''Not once'', though, do the monks ever bring up religious topics, nor does a cross appear.



* Moors in the Merry Men of ''Film/RobinHood'', something introduced with the character of Nasir in {{ITV}}'s ''Series/RobinOfSherwood'', and subsequently taken-up in the film ''Film/RobinHoodPrinceOfThieves'' with [[MorganFreeman Azeem]], and the latest series from Creator/TheBBC (not to mention [[Creator/DaveChappelle Achoo]] in ''[[Film/RobinHoodMenInTights Men in Tights]]''). The BBC version takes this trend a step further, as there is at least one black character working for the Sheriff, and a black thief is unquestioned when she claims to be the leader of an order of nuns; unlike the Arabic characters, the black characters are portrayed as fully accepted members of medieval English society.

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* Moors in the Merry Men of ''Film/RobinHood'', something introduced with the character of Nasir in {{ITV}}'s ''Series/RobinOfSherwood'', and subsequently taken-up in the film ''Film/RobinHoodPrinceOfThieves'' with [[MorganFreeman Azeem]], and the latest series from Creator/TheBBC (not to mention [[Creator/DaveChappelle Achoo]] in ''[[Film/RobinHoodMenInTights Men in Tights]]''). The BBC version takes this trend a step further, as there is at least one black character working for the Sheriff, and a black thief is unquestioned taken seriously when she claims to be the leader of an order of nuns; unlike the Arabic characters, the black characters are portrayed as fully accepted members of medieval English society.



* Averted and played straight at the same time in ''Film/BlackKnight''. When Creator/MartinLawrence travels to medieval England and becomes a FishOutOfTemporalWater, he is called a "Moor" in a disrespectful tone and runs into conflict a few times because of his skin color. Yet when he arrives at the castle there is a black chambermaid there and nobody seem to care. [[spoiler:It was all just a dream anyway]].
* In the film adaptation of ''Theatre/MuchAdoAboutNothing'', the character Don Pedro is the Prince of Aragon and played by DenzelWashington. While Spain was occupied for several centuries by the Moors, Medieval Spaniards were nearly obsessed with ''limpieza de sangre''--purity of blood, and the aristocratic class was the worst. It might have been a stylish choice to make his illegitimate brother's deep hatred for him more obvious. Otherwise, this would have to get across by Creator/KeanuReeves's acting ability.
* Creator/KennethBranagh's version of ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' features a couple black people among the staff of the castle. Including one woman who was originally a "gentleman" in the play. In Denmark, in the 1600s. The film has a more 1800s style, but that doesn't change much. Although it would have been slightly less likely in the 16th century, the Virgin Islands were a Danish Colony until the Great War.
* ''Film/{{MASH}}'', set during the Korean War, featured a black surgeon (the [[Series/{{MASH}} TV show]] followed suit for a few episodes until the anachronism of the idea was pointed out to the producers). Ultimately ''M*A*S*H'' is pretty much a UsefulNotes/VietnamWar story [[InSpace backdated 20 years]] anyway. Presumably the producers never bothered to check any sources about the 8055th MASH, the real unit in Korea the movie was based on: they ''did'' have a black surgeon on staff. (The U.S. Army wasn't fully integrated until 1954--one year after the Korean conflict ended--but piecemeal integration had occurred in the 1940s and even earlier.)

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* Averted Both averted and played straight at the same time in ''Film/BlackKnight''. When Creator/MartinLawrence travels to medieval England and becomes a FishOutOfTemporalWater, he is called a "Moor" in a disrespectful tone and runs into conflict a few times because of his skin color. Yet when he arrives at the castle there is a black chambermaid there and nobody seem to care. [[spoiler:It was all just a dream anyway]].
* In the film adaptation of ''Theatre/MuchAdoAboutNothing'', the character Don Pedro is the Prince of Aragon and played by DenzelWashington. While Spain was occupied for several centuries by the Moors, Medieval Spaniards were nearly obsessed with ''limpieza de sangre''--purity sangre''or "purity of blood, blood", and the aristocratic class was the worst. It might have been a stylish choice to make his illegitimate brother's deep hatred for him more obvious. Otherwise, this would have to get across by Creator/KeanuReeves's acting ability.
* Creator/KennethBranagh's version of ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' features has a couple few black people among the staff of the castle. Including one woman who was originally a "gentleman" in the play. In Denmark, in the 1600s. The film has a more 1800s style, but that doesn't change much. Although it would have been slightly less likely in the 16th century, the Virgin Islands were a Danish Colony until the Great War.
* ''Film/{{MASH}}'', set during the Korean War, featured a black surgeon (the surgeon. Tthe [[Series/{{MASH}} TV show]] followed suit for a few episodes until the anachronism of the idea was pointed out to the producers). Ultimately While ostensibly set in the 1950's, ''M*A*S*H'' is was ultimately pretty much a mix of UsefulNotes/VietnamWar story [[InSpace backdated 20 years]] and (then-)PresentDayPast, anyway. Presumably Presumably, the producers never bothered to check any sources about the 8055th MASH, the real unit in Korea the movie was based on: they on which ''did'' have a black surgeon on staff. (The U.S. Army wasn't fully integrated until 1954--one 1954, one year after the Korean conflict ended--but ended, but piecemeal integration had occurred in the 1940s and even earlier.)



** A much straighter example of this trope is the rumored casting of Tessa Thompson as the heroine Valkyrie for ''Film/ThorRagnarok''. Who in the comics was a mortal Norse woman name Brunnhilde empowered by Odin to guide the slain to Valhalla.
* The Creator/JuliaRoberts film ''Film/MonaLisaSmile'' was criticized for not having a token black among the cast, despite the film being set in a New England College in the 1950's. Part of the problem was a bad line in the auditioning papers, where they wanted girls who were [[ButNotTooBlack not too tan]], to portray the time period accurately. Seeing as it was a real women's college that ''did'' have black women in the time period, the supposed ratio would have had about 3 tokens in a crowd of 200.
* German actor Günther Kaufmann, whose father was an African-American GI, plays one of the Vikings in ''Wickie und die starken Männer'' (''Wickie and the strong Men''), thus [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin making this a very literal example of this trope]]. Due to heavy Viking make up, Kaufmann's actual ethnicity is hard to tell, though.
* In one DVD version of ''Theatre/JosephAndTheAmazingTechnicolorDreamcoat'', two of the brothers (Judah and Benjamin) are played by black actors. This is something of a characterization problem, since the two were born to different mothers, according to Genesis. The other ten brothers are pretty much all over the apparent ethnicity map (the twelve had the same father, who had four wives). And Joseph's father Jacob did have concubines who may have been of different ethnicities than his two wives (who were sisters). Jacob having had black sons is not impossible. On the other hand, Benjamin is supposed to be ''full'' brother of Joseph. In any case, that particular version is [[RuleOfFunny a comedy]].
* In the 1973 film version of ''Music/JesusChristSuperstar'', Judas (the VillainProtagonist) is black. Some critics saw the casting as racist, but the filmmakers insisted that Carl Anderson was simply the best man for the role (Ben Vereen faced similar criticism in the role on Broadway). Jesus, meanwhile, is white, Mary Magdalene is Hawaiian, and the other disciples are all different races.

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** A much straighter more straightforward example of this trope is the rumored casting of Tessa Thompson as the heroine Valkyrie for ''Film/ThorRagnarok''. Who ''Film/ThorRagnarok'', who was in the comics was a mortal Norse woman name named Brunnhilde empowered by Odin to guide the slain to Valhalla.
* The Creator/JuliaRoberts film ''Film/MonaLisaSmile'' was criticized for not having a token black among the cast, despite the film being set in a New England College in the 1950's. Part of the problem was a bad line in the auditioning papers, where they wanted girls who were [[ButNotTooBlack not too tan]], to portray the time period accurately. Seeing as it was a real women's college that ''did'' have black women in the time period, the supposed ratio would have had about 3 three tokens in a crowd of 200.
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* German actor Günther Kaufmann, whose father was an African-American GI, plays one of the Vikings a Viking in ''Wickie und die starken Männer'' (''Wickie and the strong Strong Men''), thus [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin making this a very literal example of this trope]]. Due Because to heavy Viking make up, Kaufmann's actual ethnicity is hard to tell, though.
* In one DVD a version of ''Theatre/JosephAndTheAmazingTechnicolorDreamcoat'', ''Theatre/JosephAndTheAmazingTechnicolorDreamcoat'' released on DVD, two of the brothers (Judah and Benjamin) are played by black actors. This is something of a characterization problem, since continuity problem as the two were born to different mothers, according to Genesis. The other ten brothers are pretty much all over the apparent ethnicity map (the twelve had the same father, who had four wives). And Joseph's father Jacob did have concubines who may have been of different ethnicities than his two wives (who wives, who were sisters).sisters. Jacob having had black sons is not impossible. On the other hand, Benjamin is supposed to be ''full'' brother of Joseph. In any case, that particular version is [[RuleOfFunny a comedy]].
* In the 1973 film version of ''Music/JesusChristSuperstar'', Judas (the VillainProtagonist) is black. Some critics saw the casting as racist, but the filmmakers insisted that Carl Anderson was simply the best man for the role role. (Ben Vereen faced similar criticism in for playing the role on Broadway). Broadway.) Jesus, meanwhile, is white, Mary Magdalene is Hawaiian, and the other disciples are all different races.races. (But then, the film makes no pretense at realism.)



* Invoked in-universe in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'' when Dugan notices that a fellow POW is Asian. Dugan asks "Are we taking ''everyone'' now?" The Asian man, Jim Morita, flashes his dogtags and says [[JustifiedTrope "I'm from Fresno, ace."]] Japanese-Americans who were born in the USA ''were'' allowed to fight and did so in Italy, where the POW camp is located, though they did so in segregated units. His presence in the Howling Commandos is justified by the HC's [[RagtagBunchOfMisfits unique nature]].
* Music/QueenLatifah as Mama Morton in the movie ''Film/{{Chicago}}''. An African-American jail warden in charge of white prisoners in 1920s America? That wouldn't happen.
* In ''Film/ChristopherAndHisKind'', there is at least one Black man in the gay club Isherwood frequents. Given that this happened in early 1930's Berlin, it is a little jarring, though possible.

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* Invoked in-universe in ''Film/CaptainAmericaTheFirstAvenger'' when Dugan notices observes that a fellow POW is Asian. Dugan asks asks, "Are we taking ''everyone'' now?" The Asian man, Jim Morita, flashes his dogtags and says [[JustifiedTrope "I'm from Fresno, ace."]] Japanese-Americans who were born in the USA ''were'' allowed to fight and did so in Italy, where the POW camp is located, though they did so in segregated units. His presence in the Howling Commandos is justified by the HC's [[RagtagBunchOfMisfits its unique nature]].
* Music/QueenLatifah as Mama Morton in the movie ''Film/{{Chicago}}''. An A female African-American jail warden in charge of white prisoners in 1920s America? That wouldn't happen.
* In ''Film/ChristopherAndHisKind'', there is at least one Black glack man in the gay club Isherwood frequents. Given that this happened in early 1930's Berlin, it is a little jarring, though possible.



* ''Film/{{Dogma}}'' plays the trope for laughs by introducing a 13th apostle of Jesus, who was left out of the Bible because he's black.
* ''Film/{{Centurion}} '' features Noel Clarke an English actor of some Afro-Caribbean heritage playing "Macro", a refugee from Numidia and a legionary from the second cohort of the Ninth Legion. Schoolboy error here, Numidia in modern-day Tunisia was populated by light-skinned Berbers and descendants of Eastern Mediterranean Carthagians. The writer probably mean Nubia, the country in modern day Sudan. The same Roman unit also features Riz Ahmed playing Tarak, the company cook, who "hails from the Hindu Kush", which neatly matches Ahmed's own Pakistani ancestry-although he could quite easily have been a Syrian or Iraqi (units from both areas DID serve on Hadrian's Wall at some time).

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* ''Film/{{Dogma}}'' plays the trope for laughs by introducing a 13th thirteenth apostle of Jesus, who was left out of the Bible because he's black.
* ''Film/{{Centurion}} '' features Noel Clarke Clarke, an English actor of some with Afro-Caribbean heritage playing "Macro", a refugee from Numidia and a legionary from the second cohort of the Ninth Legion. Schoolboy error here, Numidia in modern-day Tunisia was populated by light-skinned Berbers and descendants of Eastern Mediterranean Carthagians. The writer probably mean Nubia, the country in modern day Sudan. The same Roman unit also features Riz Ahmed playing Tarak, the company cook, who "hails from the Hindu Kush", which neatly matches Ahmed's own Pakistani ancestry-although he could quite easily have been a Syrian or Iraqi (units from both areas DID ''did'' serve on Hadrian's Wall at some time).



* Arthurian literature has featured Moorish knights since Sir Morien in the 13th Century. And since Wolfram von Eschenbach introduced Percivale's half-brother Feirefiz (son of the Moorish queen Belacane, ancestor of Prester John) in ''Parzival'' (written in the first decade of the 13th century according to most scholars).
* In the medieval romance ''King Horn,'' Saracens invade Suddene (a mythical kingdom in the British Isles). This is probably a RaceLift as the villains act just like Viking conquerors, but by the time the story was written down Vikings had become passe and the Crusades were the new hot topic.
* The later Creator/SvenHassel novels introduced Stabsgefreiter Albert Mumbuto, a black soldier in the German army of UsefulNotes/WW2. However the website [[http://www.svenhassel.info/ Porta's Kitchen]] mentioned a documentary where several black Germans were interviewed, including at least one soldier. Germany had had an African colonial empire until 1919 so there were a number of African-Germans long after that. This matter surfaces in Istvan Szabo's movie ''Mephisto'', taking place in the 1930s, in which the protagonist, a famous theatre director, has an African-German mistress and therefore gets chastised by an angry Hermann Göring. Even if pretty unexpected for a modern reader, [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi]] [[http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005479 racism towards blacks]] [[http://www.ushmm.org/research/library/bibliography/?lang=en&content=blacks is well-documented]] and horrible, but it wasn't as systematic as their main targets.

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* Arthurian literature has featured Moorish knights since Sir Morien in the 13th Century. And since Wolfram von Eschenbach introduced Percivale's half-brother Feirefiz (son of the Moorish queen Belacane, ancestor of Prester John) in ''Parzival'' (written in the first decade of the 13th century according to ''Parzival'', a work most scholars).
scholars date to the 1310's.
* In the medieval romance ''King Horn,'' Saracens invade Suddene (a mythical kingdom in the British Isles). This is probably a RaceLift as the villains act just like Viking conquerors, but by the time the story was written down Vikings had become passe passé and the Crusades were the new hot topic.
* The later Creator/SvenHassel novels introduced Stabsgefreiter Albert Mumbuto, a black soldier in the German army of UsefulNotes/WW2. However the website [[http://www.svenhassel.info/ Porta's Kitchen]] mentioned a documentary where several black Germans were interviewed, including at least one soldier. Germany had had an African colonial empire until 1919 so there were a number of African-Germans long after that. This matter surfaces in Istvan Szabo's movie ''Mephisto'', taking place in the 1930s, in which the protagonist, a famous theatre director, has an African-German mistress and is therefore gets chastised by an angry Hermann Göring. Even if pretty unexpected for Though is might surprise a modern reader, [[ThoseWackyNazis Nazi]] [[http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005479 racism towards blacks]] [[http://www.ushmm.org/research/library/bibliography/?lang=en&content=blacks is well-documented]] and horrible, but it wasn't as systematic as their main targets.persecution of the Jews.



** The Amazons are described as similarly having children with whatever males they happen to conquer, with the queen, Pretty Little Flower, being notably mixed-race.
* ''Literature/InheritanceCycle'' has two black characters living in a FantasyCounterpartCulture that's loosely based on medieval Europe, specifically Norse culture. It's eventually explained that "dark-skinned tribes" live in the desert to the southeast, and possibly the neighboring country--some of these join with the Varden in the third book. Before that, characters do sometimes consider them unusual for the colour of their skin, but they do not act as if it was completely unheard of.
* ''Day Watch'', the second book in SergeyLukyanenko's Literature/NightWatch trilogy (of four), has a group of Viking Others- blonde-haired, blue-eyed Teutonic types. Turns out that's just their Twilight forms- they're members of an old Norse cult, but ethnically there's quite a mix. [[spoiler:Turns out the fact that there's a black one, a white one, an Asian one and the other one fits some Ragnarok prophecies quite well...]] Did someone just say "HorsemenOfTheApocalypse"? Note though, these are people in modern times who are members of such a cult (Neo Vikings?) rather than Norse people in Dark Ages Europe.

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** The Amazons are described as similarly having children with whatever males men they happen to conquer, with the conquer. The queen, Pretty Little Flower, being notably is mixed-race.
* ''Literature/InheritanceCycle'' has two black characters living in a FantasyCounterpartCulture that's loosely based on medieval Europe, specifically Norse culture. It's eventually It is later explained that "dark-skinned tribes" live in the desert to the southeast, and possibly the neighboring country--some country. A few of these them join with the Varden in the third book. Before that, characters do sometimes consider them unusual for the colour of their skin, but they do not act as if it was completely unheard of.
* ''Day Watch'', the second book in SergeyLukyanenko's Literature/NightWatch trilogy (of four), has a group of Viking Others- Others: blonde-haired, blue-eyed Teutonic types. Turns out that's just their Twilight forms- they're forms. They're members of an old Norse cult, but ethnically there's quite a mix. [[spoiler:Turns out the fact that there's a black one, a white one, an Asian one and the other one fits some Ragnarok prophecies quite well...]] Did someone just say "HorsemenOfTheApocalypse"? Note though, these are people in modern times who are members of such a cult (Neo Vikings?) rather than Norse people in Dark Ages Europe.



* Averted in ''Literature/TheWarlordChronicles'' by Creator/BernardCornwell. One of Arthur's lieutenants, [[ScaryBlackMan Sagramor]], is a black Numidian, in stark contrast to the Britons, Gaels and Saxons around him, but this is both acknowledged and justified -- he was a former Roman auxiliary who joined Arthur's band after his own unit was dissolved.
* A PeterDavid novel about King Arthur in modern times, ''Knight Life'', casts Percival, the Grail Knight, as a Moor. Everyone is totally surprised by this in the novel (and a scholar or two "refutes" it in front of him).
* Characters with red hair and blue or green eyes are fairly common in classic Chinese novels such as WaterMargin. This may be justified given the ethnic makeup among the peoples of Central Asian regions bordering China during the Middle Ages, as described below in the Real Life section.

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* Averted in ''Literature/TheWarlordChronicles'' by Creator/BernardCornwell. One of Arthur's lieutenants, [[ScaryBlackMan Sagramor]], is a black Numidian, in stark contrast to the Britons, Gaels and Saxons around him, but this is both acknowledged and justified -- he justified. He was a former Roman auxiliary who joined Arthur's band after his own unit was dissolved.
* A PeterDavid novel about King Arthur in modern times, ''Knight Life'', casts makes Percival, the Grail Knight, as a Moor. Everyone is totally surprised by this in the novel (and and a scholar or two "refutes" it in front of him).
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* Characters with red hair and blue or green eyes are fairly common in classic Chinese novels such as WaterMargin.''WaterMargin''. This may be justified given the ethnic makeup among the peoples of Central Asian regions bordering China during the Middle Ages, as described below in the Real Life section.



** The 2008 Christmas special had the Next Doctor have a black female companion, Rosita, in 1851. She gets treated like anyone else in the story except for two brief, almost missable, moments. The first is when the [[spoiler:villainess asks whether the Doctor "paid [her] to speak," which could be either a servitude reference or merely an implied suggestion that she thinks Rosita is a prostitute. The second is at the end when they live happily ever after and Jackson Lake makes a comment about her being his son's nursemaid.]]

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** The 2008 Christmas special had the titular character of ''The Next Doctor have Doctor'' had a black female companion, Rosita, in 1851. She gets treated like anyone else in the story except for two brief, almost missable, moments. The first is when the [[spoiler:villainess asks whether the Doctor "paid [her] to speak," which could be either a servitude reference or merely an implied suggestion that she thinks Rosita is a prostitute. The second is at the end when they live happily ever after and Jackson Lake makes a comment about her being his son's nursemaid.]]



** Isabella and her father from "The Vampires of Venice" are an exception: As a nexus of trade all across the Mediterranean, Venice would have been home to all sorts.

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** Isabella and her father from "The Vampires of Venice" are an exception: exception. As a nexus of trade all across the Mediterranean, Venice would have been home to all sorts.sorts. (But she also has modern-day straightened hair.)



* This is all over ''Series/MortalKombatConquest''. While the series is set in ancient China, Kung Lao is the only one of the protagonists who is actually Asian. The rest of the cast is suspiciously multicultural -- the only justified one is Raiden, who as a god could conceivably take any form he wished. But then why is he a white guy?
* In the 2006 series of ''Series/RobinHood'', one early episode feature [[TheDragon Guy of Gisbourne's]] political scheming against the [[BigBad Sheriff's]] current Master at Arms. The fact that the Master at Arms is black in 12th century England is never mentioned nor influence the plot. [[WordOfGod The producers have mentioned]] that originally there was no intention for the character to be black, but that the actor gave such a damned fine audition and performance that they felt he could pull it off regardless of the fact that that he would seem out of place, and gave him the part as-written, without any changes to make reference to his color. In Season 3, Friar Tuck is black.
* The start of season 2 of ''Series/SirArthurConanDoylesTheLostWorld'' has an episode where several modern people are transported to the plateau. Even though the main characters are from the start of the 20th century, they don't seem to notice that the helicopter pilot is black and treat him like anyone else.

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* This is all over ''Series/MortalKombatConquest''. While the series is set in ancient China, Kung Lao is the only one of the protagonists who is actually Asian. The rest of the cast is suspiciously multicultural -- the multicultural. The only justified one is Raiden, who as a god could conceivably take any form he wished. But then why is he a white guy?
* In the 2006 series of ''Series/RobinHood'', one An early episode feature of''Series/RobinHood'' has [[TheDragon Guy of Gisbourne's]] political scheming against the [[BigBad Sheriff's]] current Master at Arms. The fact that the Master at Arms is black in 12th century England is never mentioned nor influence the plot. [[WordOfGod The producers have mentioned]] that originally there was no intention for the character to be black, but that the actor gave such a damned fine audition and performance that they felt he could pull it off regardless of the fact that that he would seem out of place, and gave him the part as-written, without any changes to make reference to his color. In Season 3, Friar Tuck is black.
* The start of season Season 2 of ''Series/SirArthurConanDoylesTheLostWorld'' has an episode where several modern people are transported to the plateau. Even though the main characters are from the start of the 20th century, they don't seem to notice that the helicopter pilot is black and treat him like anyone else.



* Both ''Series/HerculesTheLegendaryJourneys'' and ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'' showed black Greek. Knowing the extent of the Mediterranean trade in the Antiquity, there was a slight possibility for Ethiopian, Nubian, or darker-skinned Egyptian people to settle in Greek lands, even more so in port cities, as traders, sailors, mercenaries or former slaves. However, their numbers could not be great. Given that both shows are filmed in New Zealand, whenever they needed "ethnic" mooks (for example, to represent Egyptians), they would usually cast Maori or other Pacific Islanders and hope that audiences perceived them as just being AmbiguouslyBrown.

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* Both ''Series/HerculesTheLegendaryJourneys'' and ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'' showed had black Greek.Greeks. Knowing the extent of the Mediterranean trade in the Antiquity, there was a slight possibility for Ethiopian, Nubian, or darker-skinned Egyptian people to settle in Greek lands, even more so in port cities, as traders, sailors, mercenaries or former slaves. However, their numbers could not be great. Given that both shows are filmed in New Zealand, whenever they needed "ethnic" mooks (for example, to represent Egyptians), they would usually cast Maori or other Pacific Islanders and hope that audiences perceived them as just being AmbiguouslyBrown.



* ''Series/{{Rome}}'' shows Egyptians to be Black. Although the matter is still subject of debate and Egyptians were obviously not White European, few scholars think they were pure Africans. Probably a mixed race which (for the time of the series) already have a lot of Nubian blood (Nubians themselves have very often lighter skin, blue eyes and different facial traits than other Africans). On the other hand Cleopatra (a woman of Macedonian descent in real life) is played by English actress Lyndsay Marshall.
* Inverted in one HistoryChannel documentary about the US Civil War. While discussing "the men whose money allowed the Confederacy to survive as long as it did", Virginia patriot Alfred Samson Bell is mentioned and profiled. In the documentary, he is depicted briefly by a white actor. Problem is, the real Alfred Samson Bell was a black man, a plantation owner, and a slave owner who threw his entire fortune behind the war because he was "a true son of Virginia". Apparently Bell's ethnicity was never mentioned in the documentary so as to avoid any adverse reaction from viewers.

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* ''Series/{{Rome}}'' shows Egyptians to be as Black. Although the matter is still subject of debate and Egyptians were obviously not White white European, few scholars think they were pure Africans. would consider this plausible. Probably a mixed race which (for the time of the series) already have a lot of Nubian blood blood. (Nubians themselves have very often have lighter skin, blue eyes and different facial traits than other Africans). On the other hand Africans.) Cleopatra (a woman of Macedonian descent in real life) life), on the other hand, is played by English actress Lyndsay Marshall.
* Inverted in one HistoryChannel documentary about the US Civil War. While discussing "the men whose money allowed the Confederacy to survive as long as it did", Virginia patriot Alfred Samson Bell is mentioned and profiled. In the documentary, he is depicted briefly by a white actor. Problem The problem is, the real Alfred Samson Bell was a black man, black, a plantation owner, and a slave owner who threw his entire fortune behind the war because he was "a true son of Virginia". Apparently Bell's ethnicity was never mentioned in the documentary so as to avoid any adverse reaction from viewers.Virginia".



* Depiction of {{Jesus}} tend to make him resemble the artist's local population more than would be historically accurate. As a Galilean Jew, and one whose appearance is described in the Literature/TheBible only as being completely ordinary, Jesus mostly likely had a darker olive complexion similar to that of modern Middle East peoples.
* This also happens with other major figures of Literature/TheBible, such as Abraham, Moses, David, etc, who look almost exclusively pale in European artistic depictions.
* Due to its syncretic nature and the loas' ability to change shape, the Vodou pantheon is filled with Black Vikings. Some loa like Ogoun and Erzulie Dantor appear as black Africans. Others are caucasian, like Mademoiselle Charlotte and Mama Brigette (who's a foul-mouthed Irish redhead). While others are Native American like the Agua Dulce family of loa adopted from the Taino Indians.
* Buddha is also often represented with Asian traits in many Far East countries like China and Japan, even when Buddha was born in Nepal and probably had a more Caucasian look.

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* Depiction of {{Jesus}} tend to make him resemble the artist's local population more than would be historically accurate. As a Galilean Jew, and one whose appearance is described in the Literature/TheBible only as being completely ordinary, Jesus would mostly likely have had a darker olive complexion similar to that of modern Middle East peoples.
* This also It happens with other major figures of Literature/TheBible, such as Abraham, Moses, David, etc, who look almost exclusively pale in European artistic depictions.
* Due to its syncretic nature and the loas' ability to change shape, the Vodou pantheon is filled with Black Vikings. Some loa like Ogoun and Erzulie Dantor appear as black Africans. Others are caucasian, like Mademoiselle Charlotte and Mama Brigette (who's Brigette, who's a foul-mouthed Irish redhead). While others redhead. Others are shown as Native American like the Agua Dulce family of loa adopted from the Taino Indians.
* Buddha is also often represented with Asian traits in many Far East countries like China and Japan, even when Buddha was born in Nepal and probably had a looked more Caucasian look.Caucasian.



* Judge Brack in ''Theatre/HeddaGabler'' is often played by a black actor, as James Earl Jones did in one otherwise all-white production.

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* Judge Brack in ''Theatre/HeddaGabler'' is often played by a black actor, as James Earl Jones did played the part in one otherwise all-white production.



* Broadway's colorblind casting frequently results in this. Case in point, Norm Lewis as LesMiserables' Javert in the 2006 Broadway revival as well as the 2010 25th Anniversary Concert. While it's far from impossible that there were black people in France during that time period--indeed, a black actor is playing Enjolras in the current Broadway revival--it's not likely that one could have risen to Javert's rank in the police department. And like the film, the Broadway production of ''Theatre/{{Chicago}}'' has often cast an African-American actress as Mama Morton, and a few black actors have played Billy Flynn as well.
* Famed playwright August Wilson openly defied this trope in his life and writings. Specifically, Wilson was completely against the idea of colorblind casting, stating that to deny the reality of race when writing or planning a show was to literally whitewash history. He refused to allow white actors play any part he had written for African-Americans (although he did allow a Chinese production of his play ''Fences'').

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* Broadway's colorblind casting frequently results in this. Case in point, Norm Lewis as LesMiserables' Javert in the 2006 Broadway revival as well as the 2010 25th Anniversary Concert. While it's far from impossible that there were black people in France during that time period--indeed, period, indeed, a black actor is playing Enjolras in the current Broadway revival--it's revival, it's not likely that one could have risen to Javert's rank in the police department. And like As in the film, the Broadway production of ''Theatre/{{Chicago}}'' has often cast an African-American actress as Mama Morton, and a Morton. A few black actors have played Billy Flynn as well.
* Famed Famous playwright August Wilson openly defied this trope in his life and writings. Specifically, Wilson was completely against the idea of colorblind casting, stating casting and stated that to deny the reality of race when writing or planning a show was to literally (pun intended) whitewash history. He refused to allow white actors play any part he had written for African-Americans (although he did allow a Chinese production of his play ''Fences'').



* ''LetsPlay/AScotsmanInEgypt'' has repeated mentions of Middle Easterners with red hair, due to Scotland's WorldDomination starting in Egypt and spreading from there. Of course, as one Scot proudly proclaims, the Scots are good at two things: fighting and making more Scots.

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* ''LetsPlay/AScotsmanInEgypt'' has repeated mentions of Middle Easterners with red hair, due hair caused to Scotland's WorldDomination starting in Egypt and spreading from there. Of course, as one Scot proudly proclaims, the Scots are good at two things: fighting and making more Scots.



* The AmbiguouslyBrown Sir Bryant in ''The Legend of ComicStrip/PrinceValiant'' looks like an example of this at first, until it is explained in a centric episode that he is an exiled Moorish prince that joined Myth/KingArthur's knights after arriving in England and suffering quite a few misfortunes there too -- among them the assassination of his wife and son by thieves.

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* The AmbiguouslyBrown Sir Bryant in ''The Legend of ComicStrip/PrinceValiant'' looks like an example of this at first, example, until it is explained in a centric episode that he is an exiled Moorish prince that joined Myth/KingArthur's knights after arriving in England and suffering quite a few misfortunes there too -- too, among them the assassination of his wife and son by thieves.



* "Black Irish" and "Black Russians" are famously attested. However, there is some argument that they are actually PeopleOfHairColor.
** It's claimed that Black Irish are either (a) descended from Moors, or (b) descended from the same stock as Basques. There ''are'' Sephardic Irish Jews, but they aren't usually identified as Black Irish.
*** Incidentally, the story of how Moors got there would make them also literal BlackVikings.
** As for the Black Russians, the word "black" is actually used in Russian to refer to dark-haired and tannish peoples such as the Chechens or the Armenians (both Caucasian) as opposed to Africans like in English, so this may be the case of LostInTranslation. While there are rare cases of Russians being of African descent (including Creator/AlexanderPushkin himself), the overwhelming majority of the population ''is'' white, and even those who are not are predominantly Mongoloid, not African.

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* "Black Irish" Black Irish and "Black Russians" Black Russians are famously attested. brought up. However, there is some argument argue that they are actually PeopleOfHairColor.
**
PeopleOfHairColor. It's claimed that Black Irish are either (a) descended from Moors, or (b) descended from the same stock as Basques. There ''are'' Sephardic Irish Jews, but they aren't usually identified as Black Irish.
*** ** Incidentally, the story of how Moors got there would make them also almost literal BlackVikings.
** As for the Black Russians, the word "black" is actually used in Russian to refer to dark-haired and tannish darker-skinned peoples such as the Chechens or the Armenians (both Caucasian) as opposed to Africans like in English, so this may be the case of LostInTranslation. While there are rare cases of Russians being of African descent (including Creator/AlexanderPushkin himself), the overwhelming majority of the population ''is'' white, and even those who are not are predominantly Mongoloid, not African.



* In southern Egypt and northern Sudan live [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyarab tribes of either Black or Arabic-looking ''Magyars'']], thousands of miles away from Hungary all because the Ottoman Turks recruited a military unit of Magyars in the 16th century to fight in Egypt.
* On Haiti, there's quite a number of people who consider themselves to be Poles. See, to crush the Haitian rebellion, UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte sent there his Polish allied troops, some of whom switched sides and settled down on the island. [[http://www.flickr.com/photos/nygus/3684845200/in/set-72157620721130385 Their]] [[http://www.flickr.com/photos/nygus/3694851637/in/set-72157620721130385 descendants]] are more like AmbiguouslyBrown nowadays. The depictions of Voodoo goddess Erzulie seem to be based on the effigies of Virgin Mary those soldiers brought with them.
* (Mostly) Muslim Tartars have been an important part of Polish nobility and military since Middle Ages onward. They are descended from the Mongols of the Golden Horde (which ruled over Russian lands) many of whom signed on as mercenaries under rulers of Poland and Lithuania, and later, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Some of them were part of the Polish-Lithuanian contingent that served under Napoleon. There were Tartar units in the UsefulNotes/WorldWarII era Polish army, including the Polish Army in exile that fought alongside the British after Poland fell. Given that the "Mongols" of the Golden Horde actually drew from the wide mixture of populations that made up the world-spanning Mongol Empire, the Polish Tartars may well have included persons of even more exotic backgrounds.
* Mongol rulers of China drew mostly from their Central Asian and Middle Eastern subjects to govern the Chinese subjects, while Chinese generals and administrators (such as General Guo Kan, although his ancestry is disputed) were signed on by Mongol rulers elsewhere (e.g. Middle East and Russia) for their campaigns (e.g. Guo was instrumental in the conquest of Baghdad). The descendants of the Central Asians and Middle Easterners in China remained Muslim and constitute a sizable minority in modern China.
* DNA analysis has recently suggested that not one but four or five African and Indian groups may be (as they claim) Lost Tribes of Israel. Besides the famous Ethiopian and Ugandan Jews who got airlifted by Israel in the 70s, a full-blown ''tribe'' in Tanzania recently got themselves tested to prove their claim that the tribe itself were a lost tribe of Hebrews, since the Roman era. (Being cut off, they didn't know any other Jews existed, so they adopted local language and customs.) And the Indian group had become a caste claiming Hebrew descent, although they had more contact with the west.

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* In southern Egypt and northern Sudan live [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magyarab tribes of either Black or Arabic-looking ''Magyars'']], thousands of miles away from Hungary Hungary, all because the Ottoman Turks recruited a military unit of Magyars in the 16th century to fight in Egypt.
* On Haiti, there's quite a number of people who consider themselves to be Poles. See, In order to crush the Haitian rebellion, UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte sent there his Polish allied troops, troops there, some of whom switched sides and settled down on the island. [[http://www.flickr.com/photos/nygus/3684845200/in/set-72157620721130385 Their]] [[http://www.flickr.com/photos/nygus/3694851637/in/set-72157620721130385 descendants]] are more like AmbiguouslyBrown nowadays. The depictions of Voodoo goddess Erzulie seem to be based on the effigies of Virgin Mary those soldiers brought with them.
* (Mostly) Muslim Tartars have been an important part of Polish nobility and military since the Middle Ages onward. Ages. They are descended from the Mongols of the Golden Horde (which (who ruled over the Russian lands) many of whom signed on as mercenaries under rulers of Poland and Lithuania, and later, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Some of them were part of the Polish-Lithuanian contingent that served under Napoleon. There were Tartar units in the UsefulNotes/WorldWarII era Polish army, including the Polish Army in exile that fought alongside the British after Poland fell. Given that the "Mongols" of the Golden Horde actually drew from the wide mixture of populations that made up the world-spanning Mongol Empire, the Polish Tartars may well have included persons of even more exotic backgrounds.
* The Mongol rulers of China drew mostly from their Central Asian and Middle Eastern subjects to govern the Chinese subjects, while Chinese generals and administrators (such as General Guo Kan, although his ancestry is disputed) were signed on by Mongol rulers elsewhere (e.g. Middle East and Russia) for their campaigns (e.g. Guo was instrumental in the conquest of Baghdad). The descendants of the Central Asians and Middle Easterners in China remained Muslim and constitute a sizable minority in modern China.
* DNA analysis has recently suggested that not one but four or five African and Indian groups may be (as they claim) Lost Tribes of Israel. Besides the famous Ethiopian and Ugandan Jews who got airlifted by Israel in the 70s, 1970s, a full-blown ''tribe'' in Tanzania recently got had themselves tested to prove their claim that the tribe itself were a lost tribe of Hebrews, since the Roman era. (Being cut off, they didn't know any other Jews existed, so they adopted local language and customs.) And the Indian group had become a caste claiming Hebrew descent, although they had more contact with the west.



* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke Yasuke]], a black slave who served Nobunaga. Legend has it that his appearance in Japan, which was (and still is) one of the most ethnically homogeneous nations on Earth, was so alien to the locals that several people were trampled to death when they rushed in to get a look at him, and Oda Nobunaga himself thought Yasuke's skin to be covered in black ink and ordered him to be washed. Nobunaga took a liking to Yasuke after confirming that his skin color was it's actual color.
** About a generation later, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adams_%28sailor%29 William Adams]] -- also known as Anjin Miura ("pilot of the Miura") -- wound up stranded in Japan by a typhoon. Despite his English ancestry, he wound up becoming both a samurai and one of UsefulNotes/TokugawaIeyasu's key advisors. John Blackthorne, an important character in James Clavell's ''Literature/{{Shogun}}'', is based on him.
* Victorian Britain is portrayed as being completly white, yet Caribbean people have been [[http://www.itzcaribbean.com/black_people_history.php living in Britain since slavery was abolished.]] They are possibly overlooked because many people in power preferred not to mention them at all.

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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yasuke Yasuke]], a black slave who served Nobunaga. Legend has it that his appearance in Japan, which was (and still is) one of the most ethnically homogeneous nations on Earth, was so alien to the locals that several people were trampled to death when as they rushed in forward to get a look at him, and him. Oda Nobunaga himself thought Yasuke's skin to be had been covered in black ink and ordered him to be washed. Nobunaga took a liking to Yasuke after confirming that his skin color was it's actual color.
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** About a generation later, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adams_%28sailor%29 William Adams]] -- Adams]], also known as Anjin Miura ("pilot of the Miura") -- wound up Miura"), was stranded in Japan by a typhoon. Despite his English ancestry, he wound up becoming becamse both a samurai and one of UsefulNotes/TokugawaIeyasu's key advisors. John Blackthorne, an important character in James Clavell's ''Literature/{{Shogun}}'', is based on him.
* Victorian Britain is portrayed as being completly white, yet Caribbean people have been [[http://www.itzcaribbean.com/black_people_history.php living in Britain since slavery was abolished.]] They are possibly overlooked because many people in power preferred not to mention them at all.them.



* African German [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Hauck Hans Hauck]] was a soldier in the [[UsefulNotes/NazisWithGnarlyWeapons German Wehrmacht]] during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. There were quite a few African Germans in Nazi Germany, either descended from people from the [[ImperialGermany colonies]] or the children of black French soldiers from the 1923-25 Occupation of the Ruhr, so called Rhineland bastards. Indeed, as they were considered inferior and not fit for military service, but not a threat like Jews and Slavs, black Germans were more likely to survive the war than ethnic Germans. There is also the story of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Massaquoi Hans Jürgen Massaquoi]] whose autobiography was put to film, making him one of the better known Afro-Germans in Germany.
* Due to ancient migrations of Indo-Europeans throughout Eurasia, people with "European" traits can be found in some quite surprising places.
** Green eyes are very common among some tribes in Afghanistan, the most famous example being [[http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2002/04/afghan-girl/index-text Sharbat Gula]], the Afghan girl on the cover of the June 1985 issue of National Geographic.

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* African German [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Hauck Hans Hauck]] was a soldier in the [[UsefulNotes/NazisWithGnarlyWeapons German Wehrmacht]] during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. There were quite a few African Germans in Nazi Germany, either descended from people from the [[ImperialGermany colonies]] or the children of black French soldiers from the 1923-25 Occupation of the Ruhr, so called Rhineland bastards. Indeed, as they were considered inferior and not fit for military service, but not a threat like Jews and Slavs, black Germans were more likely to survive the war than ethnic Germans. There is also the story of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Massaquoi Hans Jürgen Massaquoi]] whose autobiography was put to film, making film. This made him one of the better known Afro-Germans in Germany.
* Due Owing to ancient migrations of Indo-Europeans throughout Eurasia, people with "European" traits can be found in some quite surprising places.
** Green eyes are very common among in some tribes in Afghanistan, the most famous example being [[http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2002/04/afghan-girl/index-text Sharbat Gula]], the Afghan girl on the cover of the June 1985 issue of National Geographic.



** Actually, scratch that. Central Asia was (and still is) famous for being a region where practically everyone mixes in here and there, being home to at least four different linguistic groups (the Mongols, the Tungusics, the Turks, and the Finno-Ugrics) whose sole ''raison d'être'', at least until the modern day (and sometimes even then), is to ride horses that take them to a new part of the world with actual living being a second priority. Add this with the sedentary Indo-European groups with light hair and eye color who came in, intermarry, and eventually assimilated themselves with them (actual Indo-Europeans are quite rare in Central Asia nowadays, except in Tajikistan), and the rest is history. Common mixtures include those having hair so blond, eyes so blue or green that people would mistake them as, say, Germans; those having jet black hair and slanted brown eyes that people might mistake them as Chinese or Japanese; or people with Caucasian features but darker skin that people might mistake them as South Asians or South Arabians.
** Further west, auburn (brown-red) hair is known to exist among Levantine Arabs (Syrians, Lebanese, Jordanians, and Palestinians). Since they live in the lands closest to ancient Israel/Judaea and are partly descended from the ancient peoples of that region, it's fairly likely that red hair is probably an occasional ancestral trait among Jews (so depicting Jesus with ''auburn'' hair wouldn't be entirely wrong).
** In reverse, there are people with black hair, brown eyes, and Asiatic features in places like *gasp* Northern Europe. And no, not just the Native American Vikings mentioned above; they're actual, indigenous peoples. Most significant in traditional eugenics are the Finno-Ugric peoples, who primarily have dark hair and slanted brown eyes in their native Ural Mountains home; modern Finns, Estonians, Hungarians, Samis as well as Komi who live in the corner of Ural and arctic sea are actually oddities among them since they assimilated themselves with their white Turkic and Indo-European neighbors, causing them to have Caucasian features and (in the case of Northern Europeans), light hair and eye color. Even then, their original traits haven't gone forever, which is why one can sometimes find Finns with "Chinese-looking" eyes, unlike anywhere else in northern Europe where this never happens, even though they otherwise have blond hair, and it's not because foreign Asian features would increase towards east where those genes come from. For example, [[http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10rmj6a&s=8#.Vqdys_l97IU https://www.google.fi/imgres? these]] [[http://www.electronicbeats.net/artist/bjork/ women]] are fully-blooded Finn, this is very common Finnish look that you wouldn't find in Scandinavia.
** light-skinned, light-eyed Caucasians (as in, from the Caucasus) settled in Egypt, the Levant, and Iraq ''en masse'' after [[TsaristRussia the Russian Empire]] kicked them out of their native lands in the 19th century (they were accused of helping the Ottomans). They intermarried with the locals, and as a result it's not uncommon to find Levantine Arabs, Iraqis, and Egyptians with lighter skin and blue or green eyes and occasionally even blond hair. Even if the hair isn't blond, it's much more likely to be a lighter brown or tinged with red (chestnut beards among men are particularly common). They're particularly prevalent in Syria and Jordan; the Circassians of Jordan are a very prominent and wealthy community and are an important part of the Hashemite kings' power base.

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** Actually, scratch that. Central Asia was (and still is) famous for being a region where practically everyone mixes in here and there, being home to at least four different linguistic groups (the Mongols, the Tungusics, the Turks, and the Finno-Ugrics) whose sole ''raison d'être'', at least until the modern day (and sometimes even then), is to ride horses that take them to a new part of the world with actual living being a second priority. Add this with the sedentary Indo-European groups with light hair and eye color who came in, intermarry, and eventually assimilated themselves with them (actual Indo-Europeans are quite rare in Central Asia nowadays, except in Tajikistan), and the rest is history. Common mixtures include those having hair so blond, eyes so blue or green that people would mistake them as, say, Germans; those having jet black hair and slanted brown eyes that people might mistake them as Chinese or Japanese; or people with Caucasian features but darker skin that people might mistake them as South Asians or South Arabians.
** Further west, auburn (brown-red) hair is known to exist among Levantine Arabs (Syrians, Lebanese, Jordanians, and Palestinians). Since they live in the lands closest to ancient Israel/Judaea and are partly descended from the ancient peoples of that region, it's fairly likely that red hair is probably an occasional ancestral trait among Jews (so Jews, so depicting Jesus with ''auburn'' hair wouldn't be entirely wrong).implausible.
** In reverse, Convesely, there are people with black hair, brown eyes, and Asiatic features in places like *gasp* (gasp) Northern Europe. And no, not just the Native American Vikings mentioned above; they're actual, indigenous peoples. Most significant in traditional eugenics are the Finno-Ugric peoples, who primarily have dark hair and slanted brown eyes in their native Ural Mountains home; modern Finns, Estonians, Hungarians, Samis as well as Komi who live in the corner of Ural and arctic sea Arctic Seas are actually oddities among them since they who have assimilated themselves with their the white Turkic and Indo-European neighbors, causing them to have Caucasian features and (in the case of Northern Europeans), light hair and eye color. Even then, their original traits haven't gone forever, which is why one can sometimes find Finns with "Chinese-looking" eyes, unlike anywhere else in northern Europe where this never happens, even though they otherwise have blond hair, and it's not because foreign Asian features would increase towards east where those genes come from. For example, [[http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10rmj6a&s=8#.Vqdys_l97IU https://www.google.fi/imgres? these]] [[http://www.electronicbeats.net/artist/bjork/ women]] are fully-blooded Finn, this is very common Finnish look that you wouldn't find in Scandinavia.
** light-skinned, Light-skinned, light-eyed Caucasians (as in, from the Caucasus) settled in Egypt, the Levant, and Iraq ''en masse'' after [[TsaristRussia the Russian Empire]] kicked them out of their native lands in the 19th century (they were accused of helping the Ottomans). They intermarried with the locals, and as a result it's not uncommon to find Levantine Arabs, Iraqis, and Egyptians with lighter skin and blue or green eyes and occasionally even blond hair. Even if the hair isn't blond, it's much more likely to be a lighter brown or tinged with red (chestnut beards among men are particularly common). They're particularly prevalent in Syria and Jordan; the Circassians of Jordan are a very prominent and wealthy community and are an important part of the Hashemite kings' power base.
28th Aug '16 11:02:21 AM Morgenthaler
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* African German [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Hauck Hans Hauck]] was a soldier in the [[NazisWithGnarlyWeapons German Wehrmacht]] during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. There were quite a few African Germans in Nazi Germany, either descended from people from the [[ImperialGermany colonies]] or the children of black French soldiers from the 1923-25 Occupation of the Ruhr, so called Rhineland bastards. Indeed, as they were considered inferior and not fit for military service, but not a threat like Jews and Slavs, black Germans were more likely to survive the war than ethnic Germans. There is also the story of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Massaquoi Hans Jürgen Massaquoi]] whose autobiography was put to film, making him one of the better known Afro-Germans in Germany.

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* African German [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Hauck Hans Hauck]] was a soldier in the [[NazisWithGnarlyWeapons [[UsefulNotes/NazisWithGnarlyWeapons German Wehrmacht]] during UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. There were quite a few African Germans in Nazi Germany, either descended from people from the [[ImperialGermany colonies]] or the children of black French soldiers from the 1923-25 Occupation of the Ruhr, so called Rhineland bastards. Indeed, as they were considered inferior and not fit for military service, but not a threat like Jews and Slavs, black Germans were more likely to survive the war than ethnic Germans. There is also the story of [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Massaquoi Hans Jürgen Massaquoi]] whose autobiography was put to film, making him one of the better known Afro-Germans in Germany.
19th Aug '16 1:35:15 PM Jhonny
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* According to tests done to his mummy Egyptian ruler UsefulNotes/RamsesII had red hair.
18th Aug '16 3:32:06 PM Nonnana
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** In reverse, there are people with black hair, brown eyes, and Asiatic features in places like *gasp* Northern Europe. And no, not just the Native American Vikings mentioned above; they're actual, indigenous peoples. Most significant in traditional eugenics are the Finno-Ugric peoples, who primarily have dark hair and slanted brown eyes in their native Ural Mountains home; modern Finns, Estonians, Hungarians, Samis as well as Komis who live in the corner of Ural and arctic sea are actually oddities among them since they assimilated themselves with their white Turkic and Indo-European neighbors, causing them to have Caucasian features and (in the case of Northern Europeans), light hair and eye color. Even then, their original traits haven't gone forever, which is why one can sometimes find Finns with "Chinese-looking" eyes, unlike anywhere else in northern Europe where this never happens, even though they otherwise have blond hair, and it's not because foreign Asian features would increase towards east where those genes come from. For example, [[http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10rmj6a&s=8#.Vqdys_l97IU https://www.google.fi/imgres? these]] [[http://www.electronicbeats.net/artist/bjork/ women]] are fully-blooded Finn, this is very common Finnish look that you wouldn't find in Scandinavia.

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** In reverse, there are people with black hair, brown eyes, and Asiatic features in places like *gasp* Northern Europe. And no, not just the Native American Vikings mentioned above; they're actual, indigenous peoples. Most significant in traditional eugenics are the Finno-Ugric peoples, who primarily have dark hair and slanted brown eyes in their native Ural Mountains home; modern Finns, Estonians, Hungarians, Samis as well as Komis Komi who live in the corner of Ural and arctic sea are actually oddities among them since they assimilated themselves with their white Turkic and Indo-European neighbors, causing them to have Caucasian features and (in the case of Northern Europeans), light hair and eye color. Even then, their original traits haven't gone forever, which is why one can sometimes find Finns with "Chinese-looking" eyes, unlike anywhere else in northern Europe where this never happens, even though they otherwise have blond hair, and it's not because foreign Asian features would increase towards east where those genes come from. For example, [[http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10rmj6a&s=8#.Vqdys_l97IU https://www.google.fi/imgres? these]] [[http://www.electronicbeats.net/artist/bjork/ women]] are fully-blooded Finn, this is very common Finnish look that you wouldn't find in Scandinavia.
18th Aug '16 3:13:15 PM Nonnana
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** In reverse, there are people with black hair, brown eyes, and Asiatic features in places like *gasp* Northern Europe. And no, not just the Native American Vikings mentioned above; they're actual, indigenous peoples. Most significant in traditional eugenics are the Finno-Ugric peoples, who primarily have dark hair and slanted brown eyes in their native Ural Mountains home; modern Finns, Estonians, Hungarians, Samis and Komis in the corner of Ural and arctic sea are actually oddities among them since they assimilated themselves with their white Turkic and Indo-European neighbors, causing them to have Caucasian features and (in the case of Northern Europeans), light hair and eye color. Even then, their original traits haven't gone forever, which is why one can sometimes find Finns with "Chinese-looking" eyes, unlike anywhere else in northern Europe where this never happens, even though they otherwise have blond hair, and it's not because foreign Asian features would increase towards east where those genes come from. For example, [[http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10rmj6a&s=8#.Vqdys_l97IU https://www.google.fi/imgres? these]] [[http://www.electronicbeats.net/artist/bjork/ women]] are fully-blooded Finn, this is very common Finnish look that you wouldn't find in Scandinavia.

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** In reverse, there are people with black hair, brown eyes, and Asiatic features in places like *gasp* Northern Europe. And no, not just the Native American Vikings mentioned above; they're actual, indigenous peoples. Most significant in traditional eugenics are the Finno-Ugric peoples, who primarily have dark hair and slanted brown eyes in their native Ural Mountains home; modern Finns, Estonians, Hungarians, Samis and as well as Komis who live in the corner of Ural and arctic sea are actually oddities among them since they assimilated themselves with their white Turkic and Indo-European neighbors, causing them to have Caucasian features and (in the case of Northern Europeans), light hair and eye color. Even then, their original traits haven't gone forever, which is why one can sometimes find Finns with "Chinese-looking" eyes, unlike anywhere else in northern Europe where this never happens, even though they otherwise have blond hair, and it's not because foreign Asian features would increase towards east where those genes come from. For example, [[http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10rmj6a&s=8#.Vqdys_l97IU https://www.google.fi/imgres? these]] [[http://www.electronicbeats.net/artist/bjork/ women]] are fully-blooded Finn, this is very common Finnish look that you wouldn't find in Scandinavia.
18th Aug '16 3:08:57 PM Nonnana
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** In reverse, there are people with black hair, brown eyes, and Asiatic features in places like *gasp* Northern Europe. And no, not just the Native American Vikings mentioned above; they're actual, indigenous peoples. Most significant in traditional eugenics are the Finno-Ugric peoples, who primarily have dark hair and slanted brown eyes in their native Ural Mountains home; modern Finns, Estonians, Hungarians, Samis and Komis in the corner of Ural and arctic sea are actually oddities among them since they assimilated themselves with their white Turkic and Indo-European neighbors, causing them to have Caucasian features and (in the case of Northern Europeans), light hair and eye color. Even then, their original traits haven't gone forever, which is why one can sometimes find Finns with "Chinese-looking" eyes, unlike anywhere else in northern Europe where this never happens, even though they otherwise have blond hair, and it's not because foreign Asian features would increase towards east where those genes come from. For example, [[http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10rmj6a&s=8#.Vqdys_l97IU https://www.google.fi/imgres? these]] [[ imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.electronicbeats.net%2Fapp%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F03%2FBjork_EB.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.electronicbeats.net%2Fartist%2Fbjork%2F&docid=72U2GKjzNz5HsM&tbnid=-7gtpBTYNFz3mM%3A&w=1600&h=1000&bih=509&biw=800&ved=0ahUKEwjA5Je9-cvOAhWFEiwKHX1FDacQMwgwKAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8 women]] is a fully-blooded Finn, this is very common Finnish look that you wouldn't find in Scandinavia.

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** In reverse, there are people with black hair, brown eyes, and Asiatic features in places like *gasp* Northern Europe. And no, not just the Native American Vikings mentioned above; they're actual, indigenous peoples. Most significant in traditional eugenics are the Finno-Ugric peoples, who primarily have dark hair and slanted brown eyes in their native Ural Mountains home; modern Finns, Estonians, Hungarians, Samis and Komis in the corner of Ural and arctic sea are actually oddities among them since they assimilated themselves with their white Turkic and Indo-European neighbors, causing them to have Caucasian features and (in the case of Northern Europeans), light hair and eye color. Even then, their original traits haven't gone forever, which is why one can sometimes find Finns with "Chinese-looking" eyes, unlike anywhere else in northern Europe where this never happens, even though they otherwise have blond hair, and it's not because foreign Asian features would increase towards east where those genes come from. For example, [[http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10rmj6a&s=8#.Vqdys_l97IU https://www.google.fi/imgres? these]] [[ imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.[[http://www.electronicbeats.net%2Fapp%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F03%2FBjork_EB.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.electronicbeats.net%2Fartist%2Fbjork%2F&docid=72U2GKjzNz5HsM&tbnid=-7gtpBTYNFz3mM%3A&w=1600&h=1000&bih=509&biw=800&ved=0ahUKEwjA5Je9-cvOAhWFEiwKHX1FDacQMwgwKAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8 net/artist/bjork/ women]] is a are fully-blooded Finn, this is very common Finnish look that you wouldn't find in Scandinavia.
18th Aug '16 2:55:58 PM Nonnana
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** In reverse, there are people with black hair, brown eyes, and Asiatic features in places like *gasp* Northern Europe. And no, not just the Native American Vikings mentioned above; they're actual, indigenous peoples. Most significant in traditional eugenics are the Finno-Ugric peoples, who primarily have dark hair and slanted brown eyes in their native Ural Mountains home; modern Finns, Estonians, Hungarians, Samis and Komis in the corner of Ural and arctic sea are actually oddities among them since they assimilated themselves with their white Turkic and Indo-European neighbors, causing them to have Caucasian features and (in the case of Northern Europeans), light hair and eye color. Even then, their original traits haven't gone forever, which is why one can sometimes find Finns with "Chinese-looking" eyes, unlike anywhere else in northern Europe where this never happens, even though they otherwise have blond hair, and it's not because foreign Asian features would increase towards east where those genes come from. For example, [[http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10rmj6a&s=8#.Vqdys_l97IU https://www.google.fi/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.electronicbeats.net%2Fapp%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F03%2FBjork_EB.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.electronicbeats.net%2Fartist%2Fbjork%2F&docid=72U2GKjzNz5HsM&tbnid=-7gtpBTYNFz3mM%3A&w=1600&h=1000&bih=509&biw=800&ved=0ahUKEwjA5Je9-cvOAhWFEiwKHX1FDacQMwgwKAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8 these women]] is a fully-blooded Finn, this is very common Finnish look that you wouldn't find in Scandinavia.

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** In reverse, there are people with black hair, brown eyes, and Asiatic features in places like *gasp* Northern Europe. And no, not just the Native American Vikings mentioned above; they're actual, indigenous peoples. Most significant in traditional eugenics are the Finno-Ugric peoples, who primarily have dark hair and slanted brown eyes in their native Ural Mountains home; modern Finns, Estonians, Hungarians, Samis and Komis in the corner of Ural and arctic sea are actually oddities among them since they assimilated themselves with their white Turkic and Indo-European neighbors, causing them to have Caucasian features and (in the case of Northern Europeans), light hair and eye color. Even then, their original traits haven't gone forever, which is why one can sometimes find Finns with "Chinese-looking" eyes, unlike anywhere else in northern Europe where this never happens, even though they otherwise have blond hair, and it's not because foreign Asian features would increase towards east where those genes come from. For example, [[http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10rmj6a&s=8#.Vqdys_l97IU https://www.google.fi/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fi/imgres? these]] [[ imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.electronicbeats.net%2Fapp%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F03%2FBjork_EB.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.electronicbeats.net%2Fartist%2Fbjork%2F&docid=72U2GKjzNz5HsM&tbnid=-7gtpBTYNFz3mM%3A&w=1600&h=1000&bih=509&biw=800&ved=0ahUKEwjA5Je9-cvOAhWFEiwKHX1FDacQMwgwKAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8 these women]] is a fully-blooded Finn, this is very common Finnish look that you wouldn't find in Scandinavia.
18th Aug '16 2:53:55 PM Nonnana
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** In reverse, there are people with black hair, brown eyes, and Asiatic features in places like *gasp* Northern Europe. And no, not just the Native American Vikings mentioned above; they're actual, indigenous peoples. Most significant in traditional eugenics are the Finno-Ugric peoples, who primarily have dark hair and slanted brown eyes in their native Ural Mountains home; modern Finns, Estonians, Hungarians, Samis and Komis in the corner of Ural and arctic sea are actually oddities among them since they assimilated themselves with their white Turkic and Indo-European neighbors, causing them to have Caucasian features and (in the case of Northern Europeans), light hair and eye color. Even then, their original traits haven't gone forever, which is why one can sometimes find Finns with "Chinese-looking" eyes, unlike anywhere else in northern Europe where this never happens, even though they otherwise have blond hair, and it's not because foreign Asian features would increase towards east where those genes come from. For example, [[http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10rmj6a&s=8#.Vqdys_l97IU this woman]] is a fully-blooded Finn, this is very common Finnish look that you wouldn't find in Scandinavia.

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** In reverse, there are people with black hair, brown eyes, and Asiatic features in places like *gasp* Northern Europe. And no, not just the Native American Vikings mentioned above; they're actual, indigenous peoples. Most significant in traditional eugenics are the Finno-Ugric peoples, who primarily have dark hair and slanted brown eyes in their native Ural Mountains home; modern Finns, Estonians, Hungarians, Samis and Komis in the corner of Ural and arctic sea are actually oddities among them since they assimilated themselves with their white Turkic and Indo-European neighbors, causing them to have Caucasian features and (in the case of Northern Europeans), light hair and eye color. Even then, their original traits haven't gone forever, which is why one can sometimes find Finns with "Chinese-looking" eyes, unlike anywhere else in northern Europe where this never happens, even though they otherwise have blond hair, and it's not because foreign Asian features would increase towards east where those genes come from. For example, [[http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10rmj6a&s=8#.Vqdys_l97IU this woman]] https://www.google.fi/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.electronicbeats.net%2Fapp%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F03%2FBjork_EB.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.electronicbeats.net%2Fartist%2Fbjork%2F&docid=72U2GKjzNz5HsM&tbnid=-7gtpBTYNFz3mM%3A&w=1600&h=1000&bih=509&biw=800&ved=0ahUKEwjA5Je9-cvOAhWFEiwKHX1FDacQMwgwKAAwAA&iact=mrc&uact=8 these women]] is a fully-blooded Finn, this is very common Finnish look that you wouldn't find in Scandinavia.
18th Aug '16 2:50:22 PM Nonnana
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** In reverse, there are people with black hair, brown eyes, and Asiatic features in places like *gasp* Northern Europe. And no, not just the Native American Vikings mentioned above; they're actual, indigenous peoples. Most significant in traditional eugenics are the Finno-Ugric peoples, who primarily have dark hair and slanted brown eyes in their native Ural Mountains home; modern Finns, Estonians, Hungarians, Samis and Komis in the corner of Ural and arctic sea are actually oddities among them since they assimilated themselves with their white Turkic and Indo-European neighbors, causing them to have Caucasian features and (in the case of Northern Europeans), light hair and eye color. Even then, their original traits haven't gone forever, which is why one can sometimes find Finns with "Chinese-looking" eyes, unlike anywhere else in northern Europe where this never happens, even though they otherwise have blond hair, and it's not because foreign Asian features would increase towards east where those genes come from. For example, [[http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10rmj6a&s=8#.Vqdys_l97IU this woman]] is a fully-blooded Finn.

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** In reverse, there are people with black hair, brown eyes, and Asiatic features in places like *gasp* Northern Europe. And no, not just the Native American Vikings mentioned above; they're actual, indigenous peoples. Most significant in traditional eugenics are the Finno-Ugric peoples, who primarily have dark hair and slanted brown eyes in their native Ural Mountains home; modern Finns, Estonians, Hungarians, Samis and Komis in the corner of Ural and arctic sea are actually oddities among them since they assimilated themselves with their white Turkic and Indo-European neighbors, causing them to have Caucasian features and (in the case of Northern Europeans), light hair and eye color. Even then, their original traits haven't gone forever, which is why one can sometimes find Finns with "Chinese-looking" eyes, unlike anywhere else in northern Europe where this never happens, even though they otherwise have blond hair, and it's not because foreign Asian features would increase towards east where those genes come from. For example, [[http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=10rmj6a&s=8#.Vqdys_l97IU this woman]] is a fully-blooded Finn.Finn, this is very common Finnish look that you wouldn't find in Scandinavia.
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