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18th May '18 10:20:00 AM Draghinazzo
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* Furuta Niimura aka [[spoiler:Kichimura Washuu, the illegitimate child ]] from Manga/TokyoGhoul. Although at first he appears to be a decent person, it's later revealed that this is a facade, and once his true nature [[spoiler: and parentage]] is revealed he becomes the main antagonist of the story.

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* Furuta Niimura aka [[spoiler:Kichimura Washuu, the illegitimate child ]] of the CCG's chairman]] from Manga/TokyoGhoul. Although at first he appears to be a decent person, it's later revealed that this is a facade, and once his true nature [[spoiler: and parentage]] is revealed he becomes the main antagonist of the story.
18th May '18 10:19:23 AM Draghinazzo
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* Furuta Niimura aka [[spoiler:Kichimura Washuu, the illegitimate child ]] from Manga/TokyoGhoul. Although at first he appears to be a decent person, it's later revealed that this is a facade, and once his true nature [[spoiler: and parentage]] is revealed he becomes the main antagonist of the story.
16th May '18 4:37:24 PM MasterJoseph
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* Prince Dmitry in ''LightNovel/HeavyObject'' is knee-deep in corruption and nepotism, including being connected to the assassination of other claimants to the throne of Volga. The suspected reason is that claims of his birth mother being a "surrogate" are a lie covering up the King's indiscretion. As Volga is a matrilineal country this would leave him with no right to the crown unless he can wipe out all the legitimate heirs and make himself the only option for a continuous line. [[spoiler:After his death, his co-conspirators admit they were hiding DNA tests proving his illegitimacy]].

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* Prince Dmitry Dimiksy in ''LightNovel/HeavyObject'' is knee-deep in corruption and nepotism, including being connected to the assassination of other claimants to the throne of Volga. The suspected reason is that claims of his birth mother being a "surrogate" are a lie covering up the King's indiscretion. As Volga is a matrilineal country this would leave him with no right to the crown unless he can wipe out all the legitimate heirs and make himself the only option for a continuous line. [[spoiler:After his death, his co-conspirators admit they were hiding DNA tests proving his illegitimacy]].
22nd Apr '18 9:16:49 PM nombretomado
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* Sort of Black Michael in ''ThePrisonerOfZenda''. He's a usurper and one of the villains of the novel, but he's more of an AntiVillain, and atypically, he's the [[VillainWithGoodPublicity popular one]]; it's his brother, the King who is an insecure incompetent.

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* Sort of Black Michael in ''ThePrisonerOfZenda''.''Literature/ThePrisonerOfZenda''. He's a usurper and one of the villains of the novel, but he's more of an AntiVillain, and atypically, he's the [[VillainWithGoodPublicity popular one]]; it's his brother, the King who is an insecure incompetent.
19th Apr '18 2:22:38 AM Tyk5919
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* [[BigBad Rich Jacobs]] from ''Literature/GirlsOnFilm'', who is the son of Wallace Hargrove after he raped and impregnated a Hispanic mistress.
11th Mar '18 5:19:22 PM thatother1dude
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* General Hux from ''Franchise/StarWars'' is the illegitimate son of an Imperial commandant and a kitchen staff member. He's also an arrogant {{Jerkass}} who thinks he's more important than he is. Though, compared to his comrades like [[PsychopathicManChild Kylo Ren]] or [[TheStarscream Captain Phasma]], he's also practically the First Order's OnlySaneMan.

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* General Hux from ''Franchise/StarWars'' is the illegitimate son of an Imperial commandant and a kitchen staff member. He's also an arrogant {{Jerkass}} who thinks he's more important than he is. Though, compared to his comrades like [[PsychopathicManChild Kylo Ren]] or [[TheStarscream [[BadBoss Captain Phasma]], he's also practically the First Order's OnlySaneMan.
21st Feb '18 10:03:46 AM nombretomado
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* Hagen in Creator/RichardWagner's ''[[Theatre/DerRingDesNibelungen Götterdämmerung]]''--the son of Alberich and queen Grimhild, the mother of king Gunther. The mastermind behind everything in the last day of the tetralogy, who also does not mind murdering Siegfried and Gunther himself to lay his hands on the Ring his father made.

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* Hagen in Creator/RichardWagner's Music/RichardWagner's ''[[Theatre/DerRingDesNibelungen Götterdämmerung]]''--the son of Alberich and queen Grimhild, the mother of king Gunther. The mastermind behind everything in the last day of the tetralogy, who also does not mind murdering Siegfried and Gunther himself to lay his hands on the Ring his father made.
19th Feb '18 7:33:40 PM cherrychels
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* Played with by Lord Henry Blackwood in ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' who was conceived out of wedlock during a magical ritual. His mother dies during childbirth, he goes on to murder several people (including his father), and tries to seize control of the British Empire by making the world fear him. While Holmes mentions that he's a former member of the House of Lords, it's because his parentage was kept secret. Holmes only figured it out by comparing his facial features to that of the Lord Chief Justice and noticed a family resemblance.

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* Played with by Lord Henry Blackwood in ''Film/SherlockHolmes'' who was conceived out of wedlock during a magical ritual. His mother [[DeathByChildbirth dies during childbirth, childbirth]], he goes on to murder several people (including his father), and tries to seize control of the British Empire by making the world fear him. While Holmes mentions that he's a former member of the House of Lords, it's because his parentage was kept secret. Holmes only figured it out by comparing his facial features to that of the Lord Chief Justice and noticed a family resemblance.



** The Sand Snakes, Oberyn Martell's eight bastard daughters. They're not as bad as most of the other examples (and some of them are little girls with not a lot of time given to them) but they're still not very nice and share most of their father's bad traits. However, it's easy to root for them since their new mission is to infiltrate the other realms in order to bring down the Lannisters, who are planning to kill their cousin and could be considered the primary villains of the series.

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** *** The Sand Snakes, Oberyn Martell's eight bastard daughters. They're not as bad as most of the other examples (and some of them are little girls with not a lot of time given to them) but they're still not very nice and share most of their father's bad traits. However, it's easy to root for them since their new mission is to infiltrate the other realms in order to bring down the Lannisters, who are planning to kill their cousin and could be considered the primary villains of the series.



-->(Judges 8:30 ESV) Now Gideon had seventy sons, his own offspring, for he had many wives. 31And his concubine who was in Shechem also bore him a son, and he called his name Abimelech. 32And Gideon the son of Joash died…
-->(9:5) And he went to his father’s house at Ophrah and killed his brothers the sons of Jerubbaal, seventy men, on one stone.
--> (9:22) Abimelech ruled over Israel three years. 23 And God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the leaders of Shechem, and the leaders of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech.

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-->(Judges 8:30 ESV) Now Gideon had seventy sons, his own offspring, for he had many wives. 31And And his concubine who was in Shechem also bore him a son, and he called his name Abimelech. 32And And Gideon the son of Joash died…
-->(9:5)
died...\\
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And he went to his father’s house at Ophrah and killed his brothers the sons of Jerubbaal, seventy men, on one stone.
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stone.\\
(9:22) Abimelech ruled over Israel three years. 23 And God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the leaders of Shechem, and the leaders of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech.



--> '''Zola''': …and I'm allied with the ''Storm King''. A ''direct'' descendant of Andronicus [[EveryoneLooksSexierIfFrench Valois]]!
--> '''Gil''': Zola, if the stories are true, ''[[ReallyGetsAround half of Europa]]''--

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--> '''Zola''': …and I'm allied with the ''Storm King''. A ''direct'' descendant of Andronicus [[EveryoneLooksSexierIfFrench Valois]]!
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Valois]]!\\
'''Gil''': Zola, if the stories are true, ''[[ReallyGetsAround half of Europa]]''--
19th Feb '18 7:27:32 PM cherrychels
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In older works, this can be seen as a SpaceWhaleAesop: Don't cheat on your partner and have bastard children, because they will be evil. In these cases, the bastard's evilness can be a a sort of [[LamarckWasRight Moral Lamarckism]]--that the [[SinsOfOurFathers moral failings of your forebears]] express themselves in a taint on your own soul or karmic bank balance.

This trope can be found in any society where rank or wealth can be inherited, if it also has a distinction between legitimate and illegitimate offspring--making it OlderThanDirt.

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In older works, this can be seen as a SpaceWhaleAesop: Don't cheat on your partner and have bastard children, because they will be evil. In these cases, the bastard's evilness can be a a sort of [[LamarckWasRight Moral Lamarckism]]--that Lamarckism]] -- that the [[SinsOfOurFathers moral failings of your forebears]] express themselves in a taint on your own soul or karmic bank balance.

This trope can be found in any society where rank or wealth can be inherited, if it also has a distinction between legitimate and illegitimate offspring--making offspring -- making it OlderThanDirt.



* ''Manga/ReimeiNoArcana'': Cain, the blond older brother of Caesar, because apparently black hair is very important in the royal country. He's got quite a grudge for it.
* ''Anime/RomeoXJuliet'' has [[spoiler: Lord Montague himself]]. He's responsible for the series [[HeroicBastard other bastard]] on top of everything else he does.

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* ''Manga/ReimeiNoArcana'': Cain, the blond older brother of Caesar, because apparently apparently, black hair is very important in the royal country. He's got quite a grudge for it.
* ''Anime/RomeoXJuliet'' has [[spoiler: Lord Montague himself]]. He's himself]], who is also responsible for the series series' [[HeroicBastard other bastard]] on top of everything else he does.bastard-born character]].



* Towards the end of ''Manga/AyashiNoCeres'', we learn that [[spoiler: Kagami]] is this. [[spoiler: His mother was the second wife of his step father and he was her bastard child, meaning that he actually has no blood ties to the Mikage.]]

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* Towards the end of ''Manga/AyashiNoCeres'', we learn that [[spoiler: Kagami]] is this. [[spoiler: His mother was the second wife of his step father stepfather and he was her bastard child, meaning that he actually has no blood ties to the Mikage.]]



* In the ComicBook/UltimateMarvel universe, the ComicBook/RedSkull is the illegitimate child of [[spoiler:Franchise/CaptainAmerica]]--and very bit as horrible as his manistream counterpart.

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* In the ComicBook/UltimateMarvel universe, the ComicBook/RedSkull is the illegitimate child of [[spoiler:Franchise/CaptainAmerica]]--and very [[spoiler:Franchise/CaptainAmerica]] -- and every bit as horrible as his manistream mainstream counterpart.



* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'''s LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters has many bastard children. Nine surnames are reserved soley for the use of natural children born of noble families while natural children of smallfolk are not granted a last name. These surnames differ, depending on the area of Westeros from which the illegitimate child with noble blood is from. While one the series' main protagonists Jon Snow is of the [[HeroicBastard heroic]] variety, there are {{Bastard Bastard}}s out and about as well, such as Ramsay [[strike:Snow]] Bolton. [[spoiler:And also [[TheCaligula Joffrey Baratheon]], although his bastardy isn't common knowledge, but his siblings (also bastard children) seem pretty decent]]. Walder Rivers -- known as "Bastard Walder" --the eldest bastard of Walder [[BigScrewedUpFamily Frey]], is a tough soldier and a bit of a bastard. But compared to some of his relatives--particularly Black Walder--he's positively noble, considering he comes from one of the nastiest Houses in Westeros. It is mentioned that he hates being a bastard and hates anyone who isn't, and Jaime Lannister considers him more dangerous then his trueborn brothers.
** Craster, a wildling North of the wall and [[TokenEvilTeammate uncertain ally]] of the Night's Watch, is the bastard of a Night's Watch ranger and wildling woman from Whitetree. He is called a "kinslayer, liar, raper and craven". Craster is notorious for [[ParentalIncest marrying his daughters]]--and don't get started on his sons. However, calling him a bastard is a BerserkButton for him.
** Quite generally, while a few bastards in ASOIAF are clearly {{Bastard Bastard}}s and a few are clearly {{Heroic Bastard}}s, many are just in the background trying to make the best of their ambiguous social position -- or seriously a mix of both. ASOIAF mortality is always ambiguous.
** Also while Bastard Bastard is listed as an "AlwaysMale" Trope, female bastard children are common in ASOIAF. One, at Shield Islands, is employed by her father as a servant to her legitimate half-sisters and, when the Ironmen conquer her home and take them captive, she sides with the conquerors and enjoys exchanging clothes with her sisters and forcing them to serve her, even having an affair with the Ironmen's King [[spoiler:Euron Greyjoy]]. Though considering how cruelly they were described as treating her, it may be a case of just desserts. However, it can still look harsh considering some of her sisters are just children and some of them get raped while their father is ForcedToWatch. [[spoiler:However her later fate, Euron impregnating her, cutting her tongue out and tying her to his ship's prow as part of a blood sacrifice, wins her sympathy.]]
*** And the Sand Snakes, Oberyn Martell's eight bastard daughters. They're not as bad as most of the other examples (and some of them are little girls with not a lot of time given to them) but they're still not very nice and share most of their father's bad traits. However, it's easy to root for them since their new mission is to infiltrate the other realms in order to bring down the Lannisters, who are planning to kill their cousin and could be considered the primary villains of the series.

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'''s LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters has many bastard children.children who come in many different varieties -- some are {{Heroic Bastard}}s while some are Bastard Bastards. Nine surnames are reserved soley for the use of natural children born of noble families while natural children of smallfolk are not granted a last name. These surnames differ, depending on the area of Westeros from which the illegitimate child with noble blood is from. While there are good-hearted and loyal illegitimate kids, such as one of the series' main protagonists Jon Snow who is of the [[HeroicBastard heroic]] variety, there are {{Bastard Bastard}}s out and about as well, well -- such as Ramsay [[strike:Snow]] Bolton. [[spoiler:And also [[TheCaligula Bolton and [[spoiler:[[TheCaligula Joffrey Baratheon]], although his Baratheon]]. Joffrey's bastardy isn't common knowledge, but his siblings (also bastard children) seem pretty decent]]. are genuinely decent and kind kids]]. Generally, while there are {{Heroic Bastard}}s and Bastard Bastards, many others are just in the background trying to live life the best they can and are decent ordinary people, such as Mya Stone and Edric Storm.
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Walder Rivers -- Rivers. He is known as "Bastard Walder" --the Walder", the eldest bastard of Walder [[BigScrewedUpFamily Frey]], and is a tough soldier and a bit of a bastard. jerk. But compared to some of his relatives--particularly relatives -- particularly Black Walder--he's Walder -- he's positively noble, considering he comes from one of the nastiest Houses in Westeros. It is mentioned that he hates being a bastard and hates anyone who isn't, and isn't. Jaime Lannister considers him more dangerous then than his trueborn brothers.
** Craster, a wildling North of the wall and [[TokenEvilTeammate [[NecessaryEvil uncertain ally]] of the Night's Watch, is the bastard of a Night's Watch ranger and wildling woman from Whitetree. He is called a "kinslayer, liar, raper and craven". Craster is notorious for [[ParentalIncest marrying his daughters]]--and daughters]] -- and don't get started on what he does to his sons. However, calling him a bastard is a BerserkButton for him.
** Quite generally, while a few bastards in ASOIAF are clearly {{Bastard Bastard}}s and a few are clearly {{Heroic Bastard}}s, many are just in the background trying to make the best of their ambiguous social position -- or seriously a mix of both. ASOIAF mortality is always ambiguous.
** Also
Also, while Bastard Bastard is listed as an "AlwaysMale" Trope, female bastard children are common versions occur in ASOIAF. One, at ''A Song of Ice and Fire''. At Shield Islands, is employed by her father as Lord Humfrey Hewett makes his illegitimate daughter Falia Flowers become a servant to her legitimate half-sisters and, when and Falia is treated like absolute crap by her trueborn family due to her illegitimate status. When the Ironmen conquer her home and take them captive, she Falia sides with the conquerors and enjoys exchanging clothes with her sisters and forcing them to serve her, even having an affair with the Ironmen's King [[spoiler:Euron Greyjoy]]. Though considering how cruelly they were described as treating her, Falia, it may be a case of just desserts. desserts for the adults. However, it can still look becomes ''too'' harsh considering since some of her sisters are just children and some of them get are raped while their father is ForcedToWatch. [[spoiler:However Falia's own fate [[spoiler:is cruel as well and wins her later fate, Euron impregnating her, cutting some sympathy -- after she becomes pregnant by Euron, he cuts her tongue out and tying ties her to his ship's prow as part of a blood sacrifice, wins her sympathy.prow.]]
*** And the ** The Sand Snakes, Oberyn Martell's eight bastard daughters. They're not as bad as most of the other examples (and some of them are little girls with not a lot of time given to them) but they're still not very nice and share most of their father's bad traits. However, it's easy to root for them since their new mission is to infiltrate the other realms in order to bring down the Lannisters, who are planning to kill their cousin and could be considered the primary villains of the series.



** The {{Sadist}}ic Ramsay Snow is, [[spoiler: next to Joffrey]], probably the best example ASOIAF offers. Especially notable because his father openly blames this on his 'tainted blood.' It's clear that, though Roose Bolton is cruel and vicious, he's pragmatic about it and doesn't let it affect his plans. Ramsay, however, is just a SerialKiller with a noble title and is threatening his father's own power with his wanton cruelty and is suspected of poisoning Roose's legitimate son Domeric so he could become heir. Ramsay [[BerserkButton hates being referred to as a bastard]] and murders people who say he is. He is considered by many people the most evil character in the series, which is a legitimately impressive feat considering the level of competition.

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** The {{Sadist}}ic Ramsay Snow is, [[spoiler: next to Joffrey]], probably the best example ASOIAF ''A Song of Ice and Fire'' offers. Especially notable because his father openly blames this on his 'tainted blood.' It's clear that, though Roose Bolton is cruel and vicious, he's pragmatic about it and doesn't let it affect his plans. Ramsay, however, is just a SerialKiller with a noble title and is threatening his father's own power with his wanton cruelty and is suspected of poisoning Roose's legitimate son Domeric so he could become heir. Ramsay [[BerserkButton hates being referred to as a bastard]] and murders people who say he is. He is considered by many people to be the most evil evilest character in the series, which is a legitimately impressive feat considering the level of competition.



* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': In Westerosi society, bastard children are often mistrusted as they are thought to be be born of lust and deceit and believed to have a vested interest in their trueborn siblings' demise. Although {{Heroic Bastard}}s Jon Snow and Gendry subvert this, Joffrey Baratheon, Ramsay Snow, and the three Sand Snakes play it straight. It's revealed that Joffrey is not Robert's son, but the product of Jaime and Cersei's incest. In the second season, he learns of it through Stannis' pronouncement and asks his mother about the terrible rumor he's heard about her and "Uncle Jaime". Though he outwardly denies it he might believe it deep down, given that he orders the murder of Robert's illegitimate children as a form of insurance. Ramsay is a modern TropeCodifier. Not that his dad's a great guy, either. Much like Ellaria, the Sand Snakes don't really do much to disprove the negative views Westeros has of illegitimate children. As of Season 6, they've killed the legitimate heirs of their household to seize power for themselves.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': In Westerosi society, bastard children are often mistrusted as they are thought to be be born of lust and deceit and believed to have a vested interest in their trueborn siblings' demise. Although {{Heroic Bastard}}s Jon Snow and Gendry subvert this, Joffrey Baratheon, [[spoiler:Joffrey Baratheon]], Ramsay Snow, and the three Sand Snakes play it straight. It's revealed that Joffrey [[spoiler:Joffrey is not Robert's son, but the product of Jaime and Cersei's incest. In the second season, he learns of it through Stannis' pronouncement and asks his mother about the terrible rumor he's heard about her and "Uncle Jaime". Though he outwardly denies it he might believe it deep down, given that he He orders the murder of Robert's illegitimate children as a form of insurance. insurance for his title as king.]] Ramsay is a modern TropeCodifier. Not TropeCodifier -- not that his dad's a great guy, either. Much like Ellaria, the Sand Snakes don't really do much to disprove the negative views Westeros has of illegitimate children. As of Season 6, they've killed the legitimate heirs of their household to seize power for themselves.
19th Feb '18 11:41:27 AM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': In Westerosi society, bastard children are often mistrusted as they are thought to be be born of lust and deceit and believed to have a vested interest in their trueborn siblings' demise. Although {{Heroic Bastard}}s Jon Snow and Gendry subvert this, Joffrey Baratheon, Ramsay Snow, and the three Sand Snakes play it straight.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': In Westerosi society, bastard children are often mistrusted as they are thought to be be born of lust and deceit and believed to have a vested interest in their trueborn siblings' demise. Although {{Heroic Bastard}}s Jon Snow and Gendry subvert this, Joffrey Baratheon, Ramsay Snow, and the three Sand Snakes play it straight. It's revealed that Joffrey is not Robert's son, but the product of Jaime and Cersei's incest. In the second season, he learns of it through Stannis' pronouncement and asks his mother about the terrible rumor he's heard about her and "Uncle Jaime". Though he outwardly denies it he might believe it deep down, given that he orders the murder of Robert's illegitimate children as a form of insurance. Ramsay is a modern TropeCodifier. Not that his dad's a great guy, either. Much like Ellaria, the Sand Snakes don't really do much to disprove the negative views Westeros has of illegitimate children. As of Season 6, they've killed the legitimate heirs of their household to seize power for themselves.
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