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19th Sep '16 7:27:37 AM Morgenthaler
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* Cesare Borgia, the illegitimate son of [[UsefulNotes/ThePope Pope Alexander VI]], who crops up a lot in Machiavelli's ''ThePrince'', although a lot of what Machiavelli attributes to him was actually the work of his fatherů

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* Cesare Borgia, the illegitimate son of [[UsefulNotes/ThePope Pope Alexander VI]], who crops up a lot in Machiavelli's ''ThePrince'', ''Literature/ThePrince'', although a lot of what Machiavelli attributes to him was actually the work of his fatherů
4th Sep '16 2:32:04 PM MrThorfan64
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** Hugh Hammer and Ulf the White (or Ulf the Sot) were dragonseeds (illegitimate descendants of those of Valyrian blood) which helped them in claiming dragons, and were recruited by Princess Rhaenyra to fight for her claim. However they ended up betraying her, joining the forces of her half-brother Aegon II, and sacked the town of Tumbleton, performing a mass of atrocities. The stigma against bastards is shown when Rhaenyra declared all the dragonseeds traitors and ordered their execution, despite the others having shown themselves completely loyal. Addam Velaryon subverts this, despite Rhaenyra trying to have him arrested, he ended up dying fighting for her cause at Tumbleton. Hugh and Ulf establish themselves as two of the nastiest characters in the while Dance of the Dragons narrative, being selfish, hedonistic war criminals who take over Tumbleton as tyrants. They even try and usurp the crown themselves, as a result of which they end up being killed by their own men.
24th Aug '16 12:27:40 PM MrThorfan64
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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'''s LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters has many bastards, and nine last names reserved solely for the use of natural children, depending on the area of Westeros. Jon Snow, a main protagonist, is of the [[HeroicBastard heroic]] variety, but there are {{Bastard Bastard}}s out and about as well, such as Ramsay [[strike:Snow]] Bolton. [[spoiler:And also [[TheCaligula Joffrey Baratheon]], although his bastardy isn't common knowledge, and his siblings (also bastards) seem pretty decent]]. Walder Rivers--known as "Bastard Walder"--the eldest bastard of Walder [[BigScrewedUpFamily Frey]], is a tough soldier and a bit of a bastard. But compared to some of his relatives--particularly Black Walder--he's positively noble. It's mentioning that he hates being a bastard and hates anyone who isn't.

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* ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'''s LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters has many bastards, and nine last names reserved solely for the use of natural children, depending on the area of Westeros. Jon Snow, a main protagonist, is of the [[HeroicBastard heroic]] variety, but there are {{Bastard Bastard}}s out and about as well, such as Ramsay [[strike:Snow]] Bolton. [[spoiler:And also [[TheCaligula Joffrey Baratheon]], although his bastardy isn't common knowledge, and his siblings (also bastards) seem pretty decent]]. Walder Rivers--known as "Bastard Walder"--the eldest bastard of Walder [[BigScrewedUpFamily Frey]], is a tough soldier and a bit of a bastard. But compared to some of his relatives--particularly Black Walder--he's positively noble. It's mentioning noble, considering he comes from one of the nastiest Houses in Westeros. It is mentioned that he hates being a bastard and hates anyone who isn't.isn't, and Jaime Lannister considers him more dangerous then his trueborn brothers.



** Also while Bastard Bastard is listed as an "AlwaysMale" Trope, female bastards are common in ASOIAF. One, at Shield Islands, is employed by her father as a servant to her legitimate half-sisters--and when the Ironmen conquer her home and take them captive, sides with the conquerors and enjoys exchanging clothes with her sisters and forcing them to serve her. Though considering how cruelly they were described as treating her, it may be a case of just desserts. However, it can still look harsh considering some of her sisters are just children and some of them get raped while their father is ForcedToWatch.

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** Also while Bastard Bastard is listed as an "AlwaysMale" Trope, female bastards are common in ASOIAF. One, at Shield Islands, is employed by her father as a servant to her legitimate half-sisters--and when the Ironmen conquer her home and take them captive, sides with the conquerors and enjoys exchanging clothes with her sisters and forcing them to serve her.her, even having an affair with the Ironmen's King [[spoiler:Euron Greyjoy]]. Though considering how cruelly they were described as treating her, it may be a case of just desserts. However, it can still look harsh considering some of her sisters are just children and some of them get raped while their father is ForcedToWatch. [[spoiler:However her later fate, Euron impregnating her, then cutting her tongue out and tying her to his ship's prow as part of a blood sacrifice, wins her sympathy.]]



** The "Great Bastards" of Aegon IV "The Unworthy", who legitimized them all on his deathbed out of spite at his only legitimate son, Daeron II "The Good". Daemon Blackfyre, bastard of Aegon and one of his Targaryen cousins, tried to overthrow Daeron, and may have been persuaded into this by another of Aegon's bastards, Aegor Rivers "Bittersteel", who had a feud with his half-brother Brynden Rivers "Bloodraven". After Daemon was killed, Aegor continued trying to seat Daemon's descendants on the Iron Throne for the rest of his life. Bloodraven plays with this, being a sinister figure who used ruthless methods to oppose the Blackfyres, the descendants of Daemon, even killing Daemon and two of his sons in battle, executing another of Daemon's sons despite an offer of safe conduct, and turning the Seven Kingdoms into a Police State with his spying methods when he was Hand of the King to Daeron's son and successor Aerys I. He was unpopular among the people and believed to be a sorcerer [[spoiler:which seems to have been true]], but seems to be one of the most morally ambiguous characters in a world full of such figures. [[spoiler:TheReveal he is the Three-Eyed Crow adds to this.]]

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** The "Great Bastards" of Aegon IV "The Unworthy", who legitimized them all on his deathbed out of spite at his only legitimate son, Daeron II "The Good". Daemon Blackfyre, bastard of Aegon and one of his Targaryen cousins, tried to overthrow Daeron, and may have been persuaded into this by another of Aegon's bastards, Aegor Rivers "Bittersteel", who had a feud with his half-brother Brynden Rivers "Bloodraven". "Bloodraven" (their mothers were from FeudingFamilies Bracken and Blackwood). After Daemon was killed, killed in battle by Brynden, Aegor continued trying to seat Daemon's descendants on the Iron Throne for the rest of his life.life. Even a century after his death, and over a generation after the extinction of the Blackfyres (at least in the male line) Daemon is still looked upon as an archetypal treacherous bastard by Westeros. Bloodraven plays with this, being a sinister figure who used ruthless methods to oppose the Blackfyres, the descendants of Daemon, even killing Daemon and two of his sons in battle, executing another of Daemon's sons despite an offer of safe conduct, and turning the Seven Kingdoms into a Police State with his spying methods when he was Hand of the King to Daeron's son and successor Aerys I. He was unpopular among the people and believed to be a sorcerer [[spoiler:which seems to have been true]], but seems to be one of the most morally ambiguous characters in a world full of such figures. [[spoiler:TheReveal he is the Three-Eyed Crow adds to this.]]
9th Aug '16 4:17:01 PM nombretomado
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* Katherine Kurtz's ''{{Deryni}}'' series. The House of Festil had several of these, notably King Imre's son Marek [[BrotherSisterIncest (by his sister Ariella)]]. King Donal Haldane has several, and Prince Conall Haldane has one born posthumously.

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* Katherine Kurtz's ''{{Deryni}}'' ''Literature/{{Deryni}}'' series. The House of Festil had several of these, notably King Imre's son Marek [[BrotherSisterIncest (by his sister Ariella)]]. King Donal Haldane has several, and Prince Conall Haldane has one born posthumously.
30th Jun '16 9:55:59 AM Morgenthaler
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Born with the shame of unmarried parents, he is marginalized at best, reviled and banished at worst (not to mention unable to inherit)--but unlike his more sympathetic counterpart, the HeroicBastard, the BastardBastard is [[ThenLetMeBeEvil not trying to rise above society's expectations]]. Instead, his ParentalAbandonment has created the ultimate FreudianExcuse. He's the JerkassWoobie who's got it in for his father, his siblings, or maybe even [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds the world.]] His issues have driven him to seek revenge, or made him vulnerable to manipulation by the forces of Evil. Generally male, although female examples are becoming more common.

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Born with the shame of unmarried parents, [[BastardAngst he is marginalized at best, reviled and banished at worst worst]] (not to mention unable to inherit)--but unlike his more sympathetic counterpart, the HeroicBastard, the BastardBastard is [[ThenLetMeBeEvil not trying to rise above society's expectations]]. Instead, his ParentalAbandonment has created the ultimate FreudianExcuse. He's the JerkassWoobie who's got it in for his father, his siblings, or maybe even [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds the world.]] His issues have driven him to seek revenge, or made him vulnerable to manipulation by the forces of Evil. Generally male, although female examples are becoming more common.
22nd Jun '16 4:01:27 AM Saveelich
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Bastards in Westeros are often mistrusted for being born of lust and deceit and having a vested interest in their trueborn siblings' demise. Although Jon Snow averts it, Ramsay Snow plays it straight.

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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Bastards in Westeros are often mistrusted for being born of lust and deceit and having a vested interest in their trueborn siblings' demise. Although Jon Snow averts it, Joffrey Baratheon and Ramsay Snow plays play it straight.
14th Jun '16 2:36:34 AM Doug86
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* Mordred was the illegitimate son of KingArthur and [[BrotherSisterIncest his half-sister]], and plotted against his father. Virtually every modern adaptation of the legend has this, though usually in different ways. Special mention goes to the ''Series/{{Merlin 1998}}'' series, wherein Mordred's bastardry was taken UpToEleven. However, in the earliest references to "Medraut" very little is known about him, including his relationship with Arthur and whether he was friend or foe. The earliest myths to assign him a relationship to Arthur place him as a nephew but still don't assign him a BastardBastard role. That came much later.

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* Mordred was the illegitimate son of KingArthur Myth/KingArthur and [[BrotherSisterIncest his half-sister]], and plotted against his father. Virtually every modern adaptation of the legend has this, though usually in different ways. Special mention goes to the ''Series/{{Merlin 1998}}'' series, wherein Mordred's bastardry was taken UpToEleven. However, in the earliest references to "Medraut" very little is known about him, including his relationship with Arthur and whether he was friend or foe. The earliest myths to assign him a relationship to Arthur place him as a nephew but still don't assign him a BastardBastard role. That came much later.
29th May '16 2:41:55 PM Vox
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** The {{Sadist}}ic Ramsay Snow is, [[spoiler: next to Joffrey]], probably the best example ASOIAF offers. Especially notable because his father openly blames this on his 'tainted blood.' It's clear that, though Roose Bolton is cruel and vicious, he's pragmatic about it and doesn't let it affect his plans. Ramsay, however, is just a SerialKiller with a noble title and is threatening his father's own power with his wanton cruelty, and is suspected of poisoning Roose' legitimate son Domeric so he could become heir. Ramsay hates being referred to as a bastard, and murders people who say he is. He is considered by many people the most evil character in the series.

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** The {{Sadist}}ic Ramsay Snow is, [[spoiler: next to Joffrey]], probably the best example ASOIAF offers. Especially notable because his father openly blames this on his 'tainted blood.' It's clear that, though Roose Bolton is cruel and vicious, he's pragmatic about it and doesn't let it affect his plans. Ramsay, however, is just a SerialKiller with a noble title and is threatening his father's own power with his wanton cruelty, and is suspected of poisoning Roose' legitimate son Domeric so he could become heir. Ramsay hates being referred to as a bastard, and murders people who say he is. He is considered by many people the most evil character in the series.series, which is [[Monster/ASongOfIceAndFire a legitimately impressive feat considering the level of competition.]]
16th May '16 1:40:48 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* Rhys ap Llewellynne ap Owain in Fiona Patton's ''[[TalesOfTheBranionRealm The Granite Shield]]''. Zigzagged by the tug of war between two opposing religions; one considers him a royal bastard, unable to take the throne, while the other sees his birth as immaterial and considers him the legitimate heir.

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* Rhys ap Llewellynne ap Owain in Fiona Patton's ''[[TalesOfTheBranionRealm ''[[Literature/TalesOfTheBranionRealm The Granite Shield]]''. Zigzagged by the tug of war between two opposing religions; one considers him a royal bastard, unable to take the throne, while the other sees his birth as immaterial and considers him the legitimate heir.
7th May '16 7:51:19 PM erraticegomania
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* The bastard twin sisters of the Baron Richmond, in ''Literature/{{Twig}}'', are kept from even the Baron's tiny scrap of power by virtue of their illegitimacy. They channel it into creative sadism and madness instead.
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