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1st Dec '16 4:45:08 PM Adept
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* Don John from ''MuchAdoAboutNothing'' is also a bastard and a villain, but since he's in a comedy instead of a tragedy, he's less effective--albeit narrowly. If Hero had actually killed herself, he could have been as vile and [[MagnificentBastard magnificently bastardish]] as Iago from ''Othello.''

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* Don John from ''MuchAdoAboutNothing'' ''Theatre/MuchAdoAboutNothing'' is also a bastard and a villain, but since he's in a comedy instead of a tragedy, he's less effective--albeit narrowly. If Hero had actually killed herself, he could have been as vile and [[MagnificentBastard magnificently bastardish]] as Iago from ''Othello.''
25th Nov '16 9:18:51 PM nombretomado
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* A {{Champions}} module features a team of supervillains called [[WesternZodiac the Zodiac]]. Aquarius falls under this trope, being the son of King Henry VI and an unnamed peasant woman (who was later [[BurnTheWitch burned as a witch]]). His goal within the team is, naturally, to become king of England.

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* A {{Champions}} ''TabletopGame/{{Champions}}'' module features a team of supervillains called [[WesternZodiac the Zodiac]]. Aquarius falls under this trope, being the son of King Henry VI and an unnamed peasant woman (who was later [[BurnTheWitch burned as a witch]]). His goal within the team is, naturally, to become king of England.
23rd Nov '16 2:59:15 AM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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** The BigBad is said previous part is also an example, given his father's identity is unknown.

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** The BigBad is of said previous part is also an example, given his father's identity is unknown.
23rd Nov '16 1:15:58 AM RJ-19-CLOVIS-93
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** The BigBad is said previous part is also an example, given his father's identity is unknown.
13th Nov '16 12:19:44 PM Alia_of
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* ''Literature/MaledictionTrilogy'': Lessa, [[TheProtagonist Tristan]]'s older half-sister, daughter of king Thibault and mixed-blood servant. Even though there is little human blood in her veins (she looks like a troll and is very powerful), legally she is still mixed-blood, which means a life of servitude in another troll household. No wonder she hates her father and would stop at nothing to gain what she perceives as her rightful position. At one point she even [[spoiler: proposes a political alliance and marriage to Tristan - who is already married - and when turned down, tries to kill him]].

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* ''Literature/MaledictionTrilogy'': Lessa, [[TheProtagonist Tristan]]'s older half-sister, daughter of king Thibault and a mixed-blood servant. Even though there is little human blood in her veins (she looks like a troll and is very powerful), legally she is still mixed-blood, which means a life of servitude in another troll household. No wonder she hates her father and would stop at nothing to gain what she perceives as her rightful position. At one point she even [[spoiler: proposes a political alliance and marriage to her younger half-brother Tristan - who is already married - and when turned down, tries to kill him]].
13th Nov '16 2:23:38 AM Alia_of
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* ''Literature/MaledictionTrilogy'': Lessa, [[TheProtagonist Tristan]]'s older half-sister, daughter of king Thibault and mixed-blood servant. Even though there is little human blood in her veins (she looks like a troll and is very powerful), legally she is still mixed-blood, which means a life of servitude in Angouleme's household. No wonder she hates her father and would stop at nothing to gain what she perceives as her rightful position. At one point she even [[spoiler: proposes a political alliance and marriage to Tristan - who is already married - and when turned down, tries to kill him]].

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* ''Literature/MaledictionTrilogy'': Lessa, [[TheProtagonist Tristan]]'s older half-sister, daughter of king Thibault and mixed-blood servant. Even though there is little human blood in her veins (she looks like a troll and is very powerful), legally she is still mixed-blood, which means a life of servitude in Angouleme's another troll household. No wonder she hates her father and would stop at nothing to gain what she perceives as her rightful position. At one point she even [[spoiler: proposes a political alliance and marriage to Tristan - who is already married - and when turned down, tries to kill him]].
13th Nov '16 2:22:48 AM Alia_of
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* ''Literature/BrotherCadfael'' The novel ''Monk's Hood'' uses this trope interestingly: [[spoiler: the bastard son is not on the list of suspects for a squire's murder, as, because he lives with his father but will inherit nothing, he has only to loose by his father's death... until Cadfael realises the bulk of the victim's property is in Wales, which has a totally different law, whereby bastards inherit the same as any other son, so it ''was'' worth poisoning his father before he could sign over his property to the church.]]

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* ''Literature/BrotherCadfael'' The novel ''Monk's Hood'' uses this trope interestingly: [[spoiler: the bastard son is not on the list of suspects for a squire's murder, as, because he lives with his father but will inherit nothing, he has only to loose lose by his father's death... until Cadfael realises the bulk of the victim's property is in Wales, which has a totally different law, whereby bastards inherit the same as any other son, so it ''was'' worth poisoning his father before he could sign over his property to the church.]]


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* ''Literature/MaledictionTrilogy'': Lessa, [[TheProtagonist Tristan]]'s older half-sister, daughter of king Thibault and mixed-blood servant. Even though there is little human blood in her veins (she looks like a troll and is very powerful), legally she is still mixed-blood, which means a life of servitude in Angouleme's household. No wonder she hates her father and would stop at nothing to gain what she perceives as her rightful position. At one point she even [[spoiler: proposes a political alliance and marriage to Tristan - who is already married - and when turned down, tries to kill him]].
12th Nov '16 5:48:42 AM ashlay
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* "Black Mask", TheHeavy in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'' responsible for all the death and destruction commited by TheConspiracy throughout the story, is eventually revealed to be the illegitimate child of a politician [[spoiler:BigBad Masayoshi Shido]]. Also lampshaded, as he explains being treated like an unwanted child all his life is precisely why he thinks so little of humanity.
7th Nov '16 10:13:45 PM cherrychels
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** Also while Bastard Bastard is listed as an "AlwaysMale" Trope, female bastard children are common in ASOIAF. One, at Shield Islands, is employed by her father as a servant to her legitimate half-sisters and, when the Ironmen conquer her home and take them captive, she sides with the conquerors and enjoys exchanging clothes with her sisters and forcing them to serve her, even having an affair with the Ironmen's King [[spoiler:Euron Greyjoy]]. Though considering how cruelly they were described as treating her, it may be a case of just desserts. However, it can still look harsh considering some of her sisters are just children and some of them get raped while their father is ForcedToWatch. [[spoiler:However her later fate, Euron impregnating her, then cutting her tongue out and tying her to his ship's prow as part of a blood sacrifice, wins her sympathy.]]

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** Also while Bastard Bastard is listed as an "AlwaysMale" Trope, female bastard children are common in ASOIAF. One, at Shield Islands, is employed by her father as a servant to her legitimate half-sisters and, when the Ironmen conquer her home and take them captive, she sides with the conquerors and enjoys exchanging clothes with her sisters and forcing them to serve her, even having an affair with the Ironmen's King [[spoiler:Euron Greyjoy]]. Though considering how cruelly they were described as treating her, it may be a case of just desserts. However, it can still look harsh considering some of her sisters are just children and some of them get raped while their father is ForcedToWatch. [[spoiler:However her later fate, Euron impregnating her, then cutting her tongue out and tying her to his ship's prow as part of a blood sacrifice, wins her sympathy.]]



** The {{Sadist}}ic Ramsay Snow is, [[spoiler: next to Joffrey]], probably the best example ASOIAF offers. Especially notable because his father openly blames this on his 'tainted blood.' It's clear that, though Roose Bolton is cruel and vicious, he's pragmatic about it and doesn't let it affect his plans. Ramsay, however, is just a SerialKiller with a noble title and is threatening his father's own power with his wanton cruelty and is suspected of poisoning Roose' legitimate son Domeric so he could become heir. Ramsay [[BerserkButton hates being referred to as a bastard]] and murders people who say he is. He is considered by many people the most evil character in the series, which is a legitimately impressive feat considering the level of competition.]]

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** The {{Sadist}}ic Ramsay Snow is, [[spoiler: next to Joffrey]], probably the best example ASOIAF offers. Especially notable because his father openly blames this on his 'tainted blood.' It's clear that, though Roose Bolton is cruel and vicious, he's pragmatic about it and doesn't let it affect his plans. Ramsay, however, is just a SerialKiller with a noble title and is threatening his father's own power with his wanton cruelty and is suspected of poisoning Roose' Roose's legitimate son Domeric so he could become heir. Ramsay [[BerserkButton hates being referred to as a bastard]] and murders people who say he is. He is considered by many people the most evil character in the series, which is a legitimately impressive feat considering the level of competition.]]
7th Nov '16 10:10:06 PM cherrychels
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* The series ''Series/{{Merlin 2008}}'' has [[spoiler: Morgana]] as a female partial subversion. The King has treated her as his daughter her entire life but has not told her that she actually ''is''. When she discovers the truth, it leads to a rather jarring bit of artistic license when [[spoiler: she attempts to assassinate her father and half-brother so she can claim the throne.]] When Morgana does claim the throne and crowns herself, the people refuse to accept her. So, while she thinks she should have a legitimate claim to the throne (and it's strongly hinted that, to her sister, this is just a bonus and they'd have seized the throne anyway), no one else does.

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* The series ''Series/{{Merlin 2008}}'' has [[spoiler: Morgana]] as a female partial subversion. The King has treated her as his daughter her entire life but has not told her that she actually ''is''.''is'' his daughter. When she discovers the truth, it leads to a rather jarring bit of artistic license when [[spoiler: she attempts to assassinate her father and half-brother so she can claim the throne.]] When [[spoiler: Morgana does claim the throne and crowns herself, herself,]] the people refuse to accept her. So, while she thinks she should have a legitimate claim to the throne (and it's strongly hinted that, to her sister, this is just a bonus and they'd have seized the throne anyway), no one else does.
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