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21st Jan '16 9:16:41 PM DarkMask
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* In the ''{{VideoGame/Bayonetta}}'' series it's less about Good and Evil, and more about Light and Darkness being in balance, due to LightIsNotGood and DarkIsNotEvil being in full effect here. Despite this, the angels of light do decide to say screw it to the balance in the first game in an attempt at a power play to obliterate the Trinity of Realities so they can remake it in their own visage. In the [[{{VideoGame/Bayonetta2}} second game]] the balance is actually shown to be off due to the events at the end of the first game, causing natural disasters on Earth, and both angels ''and'' demons attacking nondiscriminatory.
31st Dec '15 6:28:17 PM Fireblood
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* Manichean Christianity had the same idea, influenced by {{Gnosticism}}, with the material world being created by {{Satan}} who trapped souls in physical bodies. Mani, the prophet that the religion was named after, had come to reveal the truth that would free people in their belief.
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* Manichean Christianity had the same idea, influenced by {{Gnosticism}}, with the material world being created by {{Satan}} who trapped souls in physical bodies. Mani, the prophet that the religion was named after, had come to reveal the truth that would free people in their belief.from this to reunited with God.
31st Dec '15 6:26:57 PM Fireblood
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* Creator/StephenKing's novel ''Literature/{{Insomnia}}'' reveals that his Multiverse is ruled by four theoretically-equal forces: Life, Death, the Purpose and the Random. The Random is responsible for much suffering and chaos, and is the closest equivalent to Evil. Earthquakes that kill a hundred thousand people can be part of the the Purpose, but the higher beings of the purpose are good and want to mantain balance. The highest being of the Random is the Crimson King, who was described as the embodiment of evil; he wanted to destroy everthing and rule the hellscape that remained forever.
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* Creator/StephenKing's novel ''Literature/{{Insomnia}}'' reveals that his Multiverse is ruled by four theoretically-equal forces: Life, Death, the Purpose and the Random. The Random is responsible for much suffering and chaos, and is the closest equivalent to Evil. Earthquakes that kill a hundred thousand people can be part of the the Purpose, but the higher beings of the purpose are good and want to mantain miantain balance. The highest being of the Random is the Crimson King, who was described as the embodiment of evil; he wanted to destroy everthing everything and rule the hellscape that remained forever.

* Eve Forward's ''Literature/VillainsByNecessity'': Good has thoroughly dominated evil, obligating the protagonists to restore the balance to prevent catastrophe. The {{Hero Antagonist}}s have been brainwashing captured villains to make them good at the expense of their personalities. [[spoiler: Their leader wants the world to be consumed by light, which would destroy it, thus making him a KnightTemplar at the very best.]]
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* Eve Forward's ''Literature/VillainsByNecessity'': Good has thoroughly dominated evil, obligating the protagonists to restore the balance to prevent catastrophe. The {{Hero Antagonist}}s have been brainwashing captured villains to make them good at the expense of their personalities. [[spoiler: Their leader wants All of them are {{Knight Templar}}s who don't realize that if the Light wins, the world will be destroyed, though even if they did it's stated they'd still feel duty-bound to be consumed by light, which would destroy it, thus making him a KnightTemplar at the very best.]]fight Evil.

* In ''Amos Daragon'', a person (the "mask wearer") is chosen to keep a balance on good and evil and both sides are more nunanced than they appear. The series is filled with LightIsNotGood and DarkisnotEvil. There are plenty of "Dark" creatures which don't want to massacre humans, yet get hunted down for no other reason than they exist. In fact, the last couple books involve [[spoiler:stopping a crusade to wipe out the creatures of the night]]. The protagonist's job is to [[spoiler:Stop the war between the gods]], not kill all evil creatures.
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* In ''Amos Daragon'', a person (the "mask wearer") is chosen to keep a balance on good and evil and both sides are more nunanced nuanced than they appear. The series is filled with LightIsNotGood and DarkisnotEvil. There are plenty of "Dark" creatures which don't want to massacre humans, yet get hunted down for no other reason than they exist. In fact, the last couple books involve [[spoiler:stopping a crusade to wipe out the creatures of the night]]. The protagonist's job is to [[spoiler:Stop the war between the gods]], not kill all evil creatures.

* The ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' shows that the prophecy was just a bunch of noodles, as there are tons of dark jedi and sith and other users of the dark side left. GeorgeLucas considers everything besides the films and ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' as an AlternateContinuity so it's more a case of the ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' and WordOfGod disagreeing. ** Luke accepts this view during Apocalypse [[spoiler: After his tag-team battle with Darth Krayt, against Abeloth. Cooperation between the Jedi and the Sith is the only way to keep Abeloth from destroying the entire Galaxy since the Ones are Dead, so the warring between them in the times when Abeloth isn't an immediate threat is a necessary side-effect]] * ''Literature/SwordOfTruth'': Ann says to Richard at one point that she believes getting rid of the Keeper (who embodies death and is the main BigBad in the early series) would not be a good thing, unlike the view other Sisters of the Light have. She explains that without the Keeper nothing would ever die. Very soon there would be no room for anyone in the world and they'd be left as utterly miserable immortals forever.
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* The ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' shows that the prophecy was just a bunch of noodles, as there are tons of dark jedi Dark Jedi and sith Sith and other users of the dark side Dark Side left. GeorgeLucas considers everything besides the films and ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' as an AlternateContinuity so it's more a case of the ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' and WordOfGod disagreeing. ** Luke accepts this view during Apocalypse ''Apocalypse'' [[spoiler: After after his tag-team battle with Darth Krayt, against Abeloth. Cooperation between the Jedi and the Sith is the only way to keep Abeloth from destroying the entire Galaxy since the Ones are Dead, so the warring between them in the times when Abeloth isn't an immediate threat is a necessary side-effect]] side-effect]]. * ''Literature/SwordOfTruth'': Ann says to Richard at one point that she believes getting rid of the Keeper (who embodies death and is the main BigBad in the early series) would not be a good thing, unlike the view other Sisters of the Light have. She explains that without the Keeper nothing would ever die. Very soon there would be no room for anyone in the world and they'd be left as utterly miserable immortals forever. She warns him never to tell anyone about her view, because many would consider it heresy and proof that she's a servant of the Keeper herself.

* In the ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' episode ''The Enemy Within'', Captain Kirk gets split into his good side and his bad side. In the end, it's shown why Good Kirk needs Bad Kirk: Bad Kirk has the confidence to make decisions but he also has the quality of Cowardliness or the inability to ''act'' on those decisions, which is the reason why he needs Good Kirk.
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* In the ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'' episode ''The Enemy Within'', Captain Kirk gets split into his good side and his bad evil side. In the end, it's shown why Good Kirk needs Bad Kirk: Bad the pair need each other: Evil Kirk has the confidence to make decisions but he also has is aggressive and cruel, stealing alcohol and attempting to rape Yeoman Rand. On the quality of Cowardliness or the inability to ''act'' on those decisions, which is the reason why he needs other hand, without his confidence Good Kirk.Kirk was left so timid and indecisive he couldn't serve as Captain.

* Zoroastrianism has [[TheAntiGod two equal Gods of good and evil]] but it's quite clear that in the end [[{{God}} Ahura Mazda]] will triumph over [[TheAntiGod Angra Mainyu]], so Zoroastrianism isn't of the "balance for balance's sake" school of thought. [[note]] To elaborate, traditional Zoroastrian thought holds that good and evil are, more or less, balanced in the present age of "mixing", in which good and evil forces are present in the world in roughly equal amounts. However, Zoroastrians hope and work towards an ultimate triumph of good over evil and the permanent banishment of Angra Mainyu from the universe. Angra Mainyu loses not because he's less ''powerful'' than Ahura Mazda ''per se'', but because the nature of evil is inherently [[EvilCannotComprehendGood ignorant]] and [[EvilWillFail self-defeating]].[[/note]] %%* Manichean Christianity had the same idea.
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* Zoroastrianism has [[TheAntiGod two equal Gods of good and evil]] but it's quite clear that in the end [[{{God}} Ahura Mazda]] will triumph over [[TheAntiGod Angra Mainyu]], so Zoroastrianism isn't of the "balance for balance's sake" school of thought. [[note]] To elaborate, traditional Zoroastrian thought holds that good and evil are, more or less, balanced in the present age of "mixing", in which good and evil forces are present in the world in roughly equal amounts. However, Zoroastrians hope and work towards an ultimate triumph of good over evil and the permanent banishment of Angra Mainyu from the universe. Angra Mainyu loses not because he's less ''powerful'' than Ahura Mazda ''per se'', but because the nature of evil is inherently [[EvilCannotComprehendGood ignorant]] and [[EvilWillFail self-defeating]].[[/note]] %%* * Manichean Christianity had the same idea.idea, influenced by {{Gnosticism}}, with the material world being created by {{Satan}} who trapped souls in physical bodies. Mani, the prophet that the religion was named after, had come to reveal the truth that would free people in their belief.
22nd Dec '15 4:49:57 AM Berserker88
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---> '''Kin:''' The multiverse is predominantly evil
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---> '''Kin:''' The multiverse is predominantly evilevil.
22nd Dec '15 4:49:41 AM Berserker88
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---> '''Kin:''' ''The multiverse is predominantly evil." ---> '''Forgath:''' "What? I was always taught that good and evil are balanced." ---> '''Kin:''' "Nope. Evil is winning."
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---> '''Kin:''' ''The The multiverse is predominantly evil." evil ---> '''Forgath:''' "What? What? I was always taught that good and evil are balanced." balanced. ---> '''Kin:''' "Nope.Nope. Evil is winning."
22nd Dec '15 4:49:02 AM Berserker88
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* Averted in ''{{Webcomics/Goblins}}''. When the heroes (who are more or less good guys) happen in a kind of inter-demensional nexus where they witness their counterparts from other realities, they notice that most of those doubles look really evil. ---> '''Kin:''' "Of course. The multiverse is predominantly evil." ---> '''Forgath:''' "But I thought there supposed to be a balance between good and evil." ---> '''Kin:''' "No. Evil is winning."
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* Averted in ''{{Webcomics/Goblins}}''. When the heroes (who are more or less good guys) happen in upon a kind of inter-demensional inter-dimensional nexus where they witness their counterparts from other realities, they notice that most of those doubles look really evil. ---> '''Kin:''' "Of course. The ''The multiverse is predominantly evil." ---> '''Forgath:''' "But "What? I thought there supposed to be a balance between was always taught that good and evil.evil are balanced." ---> '''Kin:''' "No."Nope. Evil is winning."
15th Dec '15 8:18:07 PM TheMightyHeptagon
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* The ''ComicBook/GreenLantern'' comics have examined this trope at length ever since Creator/GeoffJohns introduced the concept of the Emotional Spectrum to the mythos. The Red Lanterns, Orange Lanterns and Yellow Lanterns (who wield the power of [[UnstoppableRage anger]], {{greed}} and [[PrimalFear fear]], respectively) can all definitely be considered "evil", while the Blue Lanterns, the Indigo Tribe and the Star Sapphires (who wield the power of [[ThePollyanna hope]], [[TheEmpath compassion]] and [[ThePowerOfLove love]], respectively) can all be considered "good". But it's also pointless to try to wipe out the "evil" Lanterns, since they simply channel emotions exuded by living beings--which will ''always'' exist, regardless of how many Lanterns are defeated. And regardless of their noble intentions, the "good" Lanterns are also ineffectual in many ways: the Blue Lanterns lack the willpower to affect change, the Indigo Tribesmen are emotionally distant recluses, and the Star Sapphires lack the self-control necessary to act with clear judgment. That's why the titular Green Lanterns are so important: they lie at the center of the spectrum, and their central emotion ([[{{Determinator}} willpower]]) simply gives them the courage and fortitude to fight for what's right. The green light of willpower is the only force in the universe that can give its users great power without clouding their sense of morality.
15th Dec '15 1:59:50 PM hamza678
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* This, combined with [[OrderVsChaos balance between Order and Chaos]] is the main motivation of [[spoiler: Grundy]] from Literature/AFableOfTonight series. [[spoiler: Grundy brings order to the world with too much chaos and chaos to the world with too much order. However, because he is utterly evil, the only means of doing so he understands involve a lot of pain and suffering, because of which he is opposed by a force he calls the Adversary, who represents good and intervenies when his actions shift the balance too much for the other side. Despite being antagonistic forces, Grundy belives both he and his Adversary understand that one cannot ever kill another because that would upset the balance too much. He also belives that cutting him out of any world means that something else will take his place to perserve the balance.]]
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* This, combined with [[OrderVsChaos balance between Order and Chaos]] is the main motivation of [[spoiler: Grundy]] from Literature/AFableOfTonight series. [[spoiler: Grundy brings order to the world with too much chaos and chaos to the world with too much order. However, because he is utterly evil, the only means of doing so he understands involve a lot of pain and suffering, because of which he is opposed by a force he calls the Adversary, who represents good and intervenies when his actions shift the balance too much for the other side. Despite being antagonistic forces, Grundy belives believes both he and his Adversary understand that one cannot ever kill another because that would upset the balance too much. He also belives believes that cutting him out of any world means that something else will take his place to perserve preserve the balance.]]

* The ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' shows that the prophecy was just a bunch of noodles, as there are tons of dark jedi and sith and other users of the dark side left. GeorgeLucas considers everything besides the films and TheCloneWars as an AlternateContinuity so it's more a case of the ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' and WordOfGod disagreeing.
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* The ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' shows that the prophecy was just a bunch of noodles, as there are tons of dark jedi and sith and other users of the dark side left. GeorgeLucas considers everything besides the films and TheCloneWars ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'' as an AlternateContinuity so it's more a case of the ''Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse'' and WordOfGod disagreeing.
6th Nov '15 8:00:02 PM Berrenta
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Not treated as in universe
Good winning includes: the universe becoming [[GoodIsBoring boring]], society stagnating or collapsing from within in the absence of something to struggle against or giving people a chance to show [[VirtueViceCodification real nobility and virtue]] by risking their lives to defend each other. Other times, it's ''enforced'' by depicting [[{{Utopia}} ultimate good]] as repressive (often LawfulStupid[[note]]more to the point, no longer good[[/note]]), or by declaring concepts such as [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill free will]] or [[AmbitionIsEvil ambition]] as evil. In other words "too much of a good thing".
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Good winning includes: the universe becoming [[GoodIsBoring boring]], boring, society stagnating or collapsing from within in the absence of something to struggle against or giving people a chance to show [[VirtueViceCodification real nobility and virtue]] by risking their lives to defend each other. Other times, it's ''enforced'' by depicting [[{{Utopia}} ultimate good]] as repressive (often LawfulStupid[[note]]more to the point, no longer good[[/note]]), or by declaring concepts such as [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill free will]] or [[AmbitionIsEvil ambition]] as evil. In other words "too much of a good thing".
24th Oct '15 5:15:42 PM nombretomado
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* ''MagicalProjectS'' had re-establishing the Balance as its main goal, represented by a giant set of scales that adjusted themselves after every Sammy victory. [[note]] You could argue that since every Sammy victory was just her vanquishing the Evil introduced specifically to fight her in the first place by Pixy Misa, there should be no net gain in Good over Evil. The scales only ''really'' started to tip the other way after she found a problem that was preexisting; Misao's sad life, and fixed it, but this is an AffectionateParody of MagicalGirl shows, so [[MST3KMantra you really should relax]][[/note]].
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* ''MagicalProjectS'' ''Anime/MagicalProjectS'' had re-establishing the Balance as its main goal, represented by a giant set of scales that adjusted themselves after every Sammy victory. [[note]] You could argue that since every Sammy victory was just her vanquishing the Evil introduced specifically to fight her in the first place by Pixy Misa, there should be no net gain in Good over Evil. The scales only ''really'' started to tip the other way after she found a problem that was preexisting; Misao's sad life, and fixed it, but this is an AffectionateParody of MagicalGirl shows, so [[MST3KMantra you really should relax]][[/note]].
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