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19th Jan '18 5:05:01 AM Morgenthaler
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* In an episode of ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', "Mirror Mirror", Kirk and a few of his bridge crew swap places with their counterparts in an alternate dimension where promotions are earned by killing your commanding officer. It's a wonder they managed to keep their Enterprise crewed by anything but a huge pile of corpses. The Klingons would've been right at home in that universe, as they actually ''want'' their worthy successors to prove their mettle by [[KlingonPromotion killing them to take their place]].
* In ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', this trope is Starfleet policy when resolving command disputes, as per Regulation 191, Article 14 -- in a situation where there are two ships and captains of equal rank, command authority goes to the captain with the more powerful ship.

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In an episode of ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'', "Mirror Mirror", Kirk and a few of his bridge crew swap places with their counterparts in an alternate dimension where promotions are earned by killing your commanding officer. It's a wonder they managed to keep their Enterprise crewed by anything but a huge pile of corpses. The Klingons would've been right at home in that universe, as they actually ''want'' their worthy successors to prove their mettle by [[KlingonPromotion killing them to take their place]].
* ** In ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'', this trope is Starfleet policy when resolving command disputes, as per Regulation 191, Article 14 -- in a situation where there are two ships and captains of equal rank, command authority goes to the captain with the more powerful ship.
19th Jan '18 5:01:07 AM Morgenthaler
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** Daenerys takes control of the ''entire'' Dothraki nation by gathering all the different khals inside a tent and then burning them to a crisp, knowing herself to be immune to the flames. She's immediately hailed as the Great Khaleesi. Then she rides Drogon into battle. Now remember that this is a culture that equates leadership to being able to ride on horseback. [[DragonRider Someone who rides a giant flying reptile]] is basically a living god to them.
23rd Dec '17 8:13:53 AM ZimFan89
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* ''Fanfic/GuardiansWizardsAndKungFuFighters'':
** After [[spoiler: [[TokenEvilTeammate Rhouglar]]]]'s death, Jade takes over his remaining men by knocking out their new leader and telling them she's in charge now.
** It's made perfectly clear that Tarakudo became King of the Oni by fighting his way to the top.
14th Dec '17 9:04:46 PM Theriocephalus
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* In Gav Thorpe's TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} story "Renegades", when Gessert demands that the members of his company paint over their insignia, so they realize they are renegades and commit themselves, one says that he is no longer authorized by the Imperium as their captain. Gessert says that if he wants to fight him, go ahead.

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* In Gav Thorpe's TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}} ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' story "Renegades", when Gessert demands that the members of his company paint over their insignia, so they realize they are renegades and commit themselves, one says that he is no longer authorized by the Imperium as their captain. Gessert says that if he wants to fight him, go ahead.



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* ''TabletopGame/{{Numenera}}'': The people of the underwater city of Ahmas firmly believe this: in their society, might and combat prowess are the only ways to achieve status and power. Their massive gladiatorial games are the closest thing they have to a formalized way to climb the social ladder, and their king is thus the best and deadliest fighter of their lot.
13th Dec '17 1:37:25 AM __Vano
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* Perfectly in line of this trope, Russians and Europeans with this mindset fell easy prey to Mongols' HordesFromTheEast who put military discipline and coordination first, allowing them to use highly advanced tactics (in addition to other advantages).
26th Nov '17 11:51:11 PM intastiel
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* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', the Dothraki explicitly operate this way: the most badass warrior calls the shots and leads the horde. The Dothraki's leadership only last as long as their Khal is strong and alive, if they are seen as weak, or are killed, they pick the next strongest warrior as their Khal. Across the Narrow Sea, the more sophisticated yet MedievalFantasy society of Westeros also has this trope. One of the causes (though not the only one) of the Blackfyre Rebellions was that a dying king awarded his CoolSword to his warrior-like bastard, as opposed to his bookwormish natural son. In ''Literature/TalesOfDunkAndEgg'', a Blackfyre KingIncognito is in a tourney where all his opponents have been bribed to let him win. When he goes up against a genuine opponent he gets knocked into the mud, and no-one follows him when he later tries to rally his forces for a LastStand.

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* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'', the ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'':
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Dothraki explicitly operate this way: the most badass warrior calls the shots and leads the horde. The Dothraki's leadership only last as long as their Khal is strong and alive, if they are seen as weak, or are killed, they pick the next strongest warrior as their Khal. Across the Narrow Sea, the more sophisticated yet MedievalFantasy society of Westeros also has this trope. One Khal.
** In Westeros, one
of the causes (though not the only one) of the Blackfyre Rebellions was that a dying king awarded his CoolSword to his warrior-like bastard, as opposed to his bookwormish natural son. In ''Literature/TalesOfDunkAndEgg'', a Blackfyre KingIncognito is in a tourney where all his opponents have been bribed to let him win. When he goes up against a genuine opponent he gets knocked into the mud, and no-one follows him when he later tries to rally his forces for a LastStand.LastStand.
** Robert Baratheon is a deconstruction of the trope, being a skilled military commander and a fearsome warrior who didn't really know what to do with the Iron Throne of Westeros once he'd won it, turns out to be a completely ineffective ruler in peacetime, and ''knows'' that he doesn't have the right talents for the job.
24th Nov '17 1:46:33 PM Fireblood
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* ''Film/ThePostman'': The Holnists base their leadership on this. Any member can challenge General Bethlehem to be the new leader. The last man who did got both his tongue and balls cut off. However, it's used by the Postman at the end.
23rd Nov '17 9:54:39 AM Grudgeal
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* {{Beastmen}} packs in ''VideoGame/{{Tyranny}}'' operate on this principle, with the pack's internal pecking order being decided by formal challenges between members. The PlayerCharacter can take command of a Beastman pack called the Stonestalkers in some of the game's paths, by challenging and defeating their current leader and her closest folllowers.

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* {{Beastmen}} [[{{Beastman}} Beastmen]] packs in ''VideoGame/{{Tyranny}}'' operate on this principle, with the pack's internal pecking order being decided by formal challenges between members. The PlayerCharacter can take command of a Beastman pack called the Stonestalkers in some of the game's paths, by challenging and defeating their current leader and her closest folllowers.
23rd Nov '17 9:54:00 AM Grudgeal
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* {{Beastmen}} packs in ''VideoGame/{{Tyranny}}'' operate on this principle, with the pack's internal pecking order being decided by formal challenges between members. The PlayerCharacter can take command of a Beastman pack called the Stonestalkers in some of the game's paths, by challenging and defeating their current leader and her closest folllowers.
17th Nov '17 5:13:35 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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** It used to be believed that wolf packs had a hierarchy of "alpha, beta, omega, etc" determined by fighting amongst themselves. As this seemed to be what happened with wolves in zoos. But after a few decades of observing wolves in the wild showed that most naturally formed packs consisted of a mated pair and their offspring. At about two years old a litter would disperse to find mates and territories to establish new packs.
** Though atypical, this can even happen with domestic dogs: If their owner fails to establish authority ''by the dog's standards'', the dog may declare themselves "pack leader" and refuse to be trained.

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** It used to be believed that wolf Wolf packs had were previously thought to follow a hierarchy of "alpha, alpha, beta, omega, etc" etc., determined by fighting amongst themselves. As Turns out that this seemed is mostly limited to be what happened with wolves in zoos. But after a few decades of observing wolves in the zoos, whereas wild showed that most naturally formed packs consisted consist of a mated pair and their offspring. At The hierarchy among pups within a pack does follow this trope, but the parents remain the undisputed alphas, and at about two years old old, a litter would disperse disperses to find mates and territories to establish new packs.
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form packs of their own.
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Though atypical, this can even happen with domestic dogs: If if their owner fails to establish authority ''by the dog's standards'', the dog may declare themselves "pack leader" and refuse to be trained.
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