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11th Jan '17 5:33:33 PM Orbiting
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* In ''Theatre/LittleShopOfHorrors'', Audrey II's first ''live'' victim is the emotionally abusive father figure Mr. Mushnik, who's not much less of a jerk. At any rate, the plant [[LampshadeHanging uses the line]] "A lot of folks ''deserve'' to die" during the "Feed Me" number.
** [[spoiler: Orin Scrivello]] is another one, for [[spoiler: Seymour]]. He's the one Audrey II was talking about.

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* In ''Theatre/LittleShopOfHorrors'', Audrey II's first ''live'' victim is the emotionally abusive father figure Mr. Mushnik, who's not much less of a jerk. At any rate, the plant Orin Scrivello is another one, for Seymour. Audrey II even [[LampshadeHanging uses the line]] "A lot of folks ''deserve'' to die" during the "Feed Me" number.
** [[spoiler: Orin Scrivello]] is another one, for [[spoiler: Seymour]]. He's the one Audrey II was
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* [[spoiler: Alex Kralie]] from MarbleHornets definitely qualifies as this. [[spoiler: He murdered Jay, Seth, Sarah, Amy, and a man in Rosswood park, indirectly causing Brian's death, and attempting to murder Tim, Jessica, and Brian,]] yet [[spoiler: he still was just another of The Operator's victims when you get down to it.]]
* All of Cody's victims in ''Literature/AngelOfDeath'' are criminals, and were killed in the process of committing crimes. In particular, he has stopped at least one rape and at least one mugging.
** Then again, the narrative doesn't really treat them like they had it coming, only like they're the best option available for Cody because killing them means saving someone else.

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* [[spoiler: Alex Kralie]] Kralie from MarbleHornets ''MarbleHornets'' definitely qualifies as this. [[spoiler: one. He murdered Jay, Seth, Sarah, Amy, and a man in Rosswood park, indirectly causing Brian's death, and attempting to murder Tim, Jessica, and Brian,]] Brian, yet [[spoiler: he still was just another of The Operator's victims when you get down to it.]]
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* All of Cody's victims in ''Literature/AngelOfDeath'' are criminals, and were killed in the process of committing crimes. In particular, he has stopped at least one rape and at least one mugging.
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mugging. Then again, the narrative doesn't really treat them like they had it coming, only like they're the best option available for Cody because killing them means saving someone else.
18th Dec '16 7:20:22 PM CompletelyNormalGuy
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* Played with in "The Cell Block Tango" in ''Theatre/{{Chicago}}''; all the ladies but The Hunyak swear up and down that they didn't do it but if they ''did'', their victims were such bastards that they utterly deserved it. Whether they are to be believed is open to question (of course their flip-flopping makes it clear that they are obviously lying through their teeth. All The Hunyak says is that she didn't do it whic makes her more believable.)

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* Played with in "The Cell Block Tango" in ''Theatre/{{Chicago}}''; all the ladies but The Hunyak swear up and down that they didn't do it but if they ''did'', their victims were such bastards that they utterly deserved it. Whether they are to be believed is open to question (of course their flip-flopping makes it clear that they are obviously lying through their teeth. All The Hunyak says is that she didn't do it whic which makes her more believable.)
16th Dec '16 6:33:58 PM TavrosMemechild
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* [[spoiler: Alex Kraile]] from MarbleHornets definitely qualifies as this. [[spoiler: He murdered Jay, Seth, Sarah, Amy, and a man in Rosswood park, indirectly causing Brian's death, and attempting to murder Tim, Jessica, and Brian,]] yet [[spoiler: he still was just another of The Operator's victims when you get down to it.]]

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* [[spoiler: Alex Kraile]] Kralie]] from MarbleHornets definitely qualifies as this. [[spoiler: He murdered Jay, Seth, Sarah, Amy, and a man in Rosswood park, indirectly causing Brian's death, and attempting to murder Tim, Jessica, and Brian,]] yet [[spoiler: he still was just another of The Operator's victims when you get down to it.]]
26th Sep '16 7:36:50 PM IdeaMaster
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--> '''Velma:''' "...I BET YA <u>YOU</u> WOULD HAVE DONE <u>THE SAME</u>!

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--> '''Velma:''' "...I BET YA <u>YOU</u> YOU WOULD HAVE DONE <u>THE SAME</u>!THE SAME!
26th Sep '16 7:35:57 PM IdeaMaster
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-->'''The Six Merry Mudresses:''' "[singing] He had it coming! He had it coming! He only had himself to blame! If you'd have been there, if you'd have seen it,..."
--> '''Velma:''' "...I BET YA <u>YOU</u> WOULD HAVE DONE <u>THE SAME</u>!
23rd Sep '16 9:44:18 AM Luigifan
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This trope can show up for a variety of reasons, but a common one is to make the criminal (or NonMaliciousMonster) more sympathetic. This is especially likely if the Asshole Victim's dickery is what motivated the criminal to commit the crime in the first place. This often occurs in works that feature an AntiHero or VillainProtagonist; their victims are such horrible people that [[BlackAndGrayMorality the protagonist looks heroic by comparison]], and/or StartOfDarkness stories will have the protagonist's first victims be terrible people so they don't lose audience sympathy at the beginning of the tale.

Further, there are structural reasons for engaging in this trope: Given that, in many of these situations, the story requires either a VictimOfTheWeek or an early death to make clear the stakes, putting an asshole of some variety in the corpse-shaped hole in your plot brings up less of the "Tonight, someone will be killed for your entertainment" FridgeLogic. Also, establishing that the victim was widely despised makes for a more challenging mystery because of the sheer number of suspects with motives, and obtaining a conviction harder, as the Jury might sympathize with the killer.

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This trope can show up for a variety of reasons, but a common one is to make the criminal (or NonMaliciousMonster) more sympathetic. This is especially likely if the Asshole Victim's dickery [[TheDogBitesBack is what motivated the criminal to commit the crime in the first place.place]]. This often occurs in works that feature an AntiHero or VillainProtagonist; their victims are such horrible people that [[BlackAndGrayMorality the protagonist looks heroic by comparison]], and/or StartOfDarkness stories will have the protagonist's first victims be terrible people so they don't lose audience sympathy at the beginning of the tale.

Further, there are structural reasons for engaging in this trope: Given that, in many of these situations, the story requires either a VictimOfTheWeek or an early death to make clear the stakes, putting an asshole of some variety in the corpse-shaped hole in your plot brings up less of the "Tonight, someone will be killed for your entertainment" FridgeLogic. Also, establishing that the victim was widely despised makes for a more challenging mystery because of the sheer number of suspects with motives, and obtaining a conviction harder, as the Jury jury might sympathize with the killer.



* Alt-Rapper Jesse Dangerously's song "Outfox'd (When Pacifists Attack)" is about one getting what's coming to him

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* Alt-Rapper Jesse Dangerously's song "Outfox'd (When Pacifists Attack)" is about one getting what's coming to himhim:



* Jimmy, from Music/{{Devo}}'s ''Smoothnoodlemaps'', is an animal abuser, a {{Domestic Abuse}}r, an {{Abusive Parent|s}}, liar, cheater, thief, CorruptCorporateExecutive and made a living by "trashing others' lives", but now he's in a wheelchair and Devo don't care.

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* Jimmy, from Music/{{Devo}}'s ''Smoothnoodlemaps'', is an animal abuser, a {{Domestic Abuse}}r, an {{Abusive Parent|s}}, liar, cheater, thief, CorruptCorporateExecutive CorruptCorporateExecutive, and made a living by "trashing others' lives", but now he's in a wheelchair and Devo don't care.
21st Sep '16 4:45:12 AM Tron80
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* In ''FanFic/PrettyCurePerfumePreppy'', Ashley's very first on-screen casualty, in her official debut in episode 24, was someone who tried to touch her inappropriately.
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19th Sep '16 6:25:37 AM GoblinCipher
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* One of the cruelest canon fates in all roleplaying is accorded to [[{{Narcissist}} Duke]] [[MoralSociopath Darkwood]] in ''TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}''. Darkwood learns that he can use a specific soul [[AndIMustScream trapped in a crystal]] as a weapon against the Lady of Pain, allowing him to [[AGodAmI take her place]]. It's a deception by the Lady herself; the spell actually traps the user's soul in a crystal and sends it back in time. Darkwood casts the spell, annihilating the soul in the crystal, and is catapulted back in time to endure centuries of torment ... torment that will only end when his past self annihilates his soul [[TimeyWimeyBall in order to trap himself in the first place]]. Although the text doesn't point it out, this is the Lady's little joke; Duke Darkwood constantly proclaimed himself a self-made man, so she provided him [[IronicHell a self-made doom]].

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* One of the cruelest canon fates in all roleplaying is accorded to [[{{Narcissist}} Duke]] [[MoralSociopath [[SmugSnake Rowan]] [[MoralSociopathy Darkwood]] in ''TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}''. Darkwood learns that he can use a specific soul [[AndIMustScream trapped in a crystal]] as a weapon against the Lady of Pain, allowing him to [[AGodAmI take her place]]. It's a deception by the Lady herself; the spell actually traps the user's soul in a crystal and sends it back in time. Darkwood casts the spell, annihilating the soul in the crystal, and is catapulted back in time to endure centuries of torment ... torment that will only end when his past self annihilates his soul [[TimeyWimeyBall in order to trap himself in the first place]]. Although the text doesn't point it out, this is the Lady's little joke; Duke Darkwood constantly proclaimed himself a self-made man, so she provided him [[IronicHell a self-made doom]].
19th Sep '16 6:23:53 AM GoblinCipher
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* One of the cruelest canon fates in all roleplaying is accorded to Duke Darkwood in ''TabletopGame/Planescape''. Darkwood learns that he can use a specific soul [[AndIMustScream trapped in a crystal]] as a weapon against the Lady of Pain, allowing him to [[AGodAmI take her place]]. It's a deception by the Lady herself; the spell actually traps the user's soul in a crystal and sends it back in time. Darkwood casts the spell, annihilating the soul in the crystal, and is catapulted back in time to endure centuries of torment ... torment that will only end when his past self annihilates his soul [[TimeyWimeyBall in order to trap himself in the first place]]. Although the text doesn't point it out, this is the Lady's little joke; Duke Darkwood constantly proclaimed himself a self-made man, so she provided him [[IronicHell a self-made doom]].

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* One of the cruelest canon fates in all roleplaying is accorded to Duke Darkwood [[{{Narcissist}} Duke]] [[MoralSociopath Darkwood]] in ''TabletopGame/Planescape''.''TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}''. Darkwood learns that he can use a specific soul [[AndIMustScream trapped in a crystal]] as a weapon against the Lady of Pain, allowing him to [[AGodAmI take her place]]. It's a deception by the Lady herself; the spell actually traps the user's soul in a crystal and sends it back in time. Darkwood casts the spell, annihilating the soul in the crystal, and is catapulted back in time to endure centuries of torment ... torment that will only end when his past self annihilates his soul [[TimeyWimeyBall in order to trap himself in the first place]]. Although the text doesn't point it out, this is the Lady's little joke; Duke Darkwood constantly proclaimed himself a self-made man, so she provided him [[IronicHell a self-made doom]].
19th Sep '16 6:20:27 AM GoblinCipher
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* One of the cruelest canon fates in all roleplaying is accorded to Duke Darkwood in ''TabletopGame/Planescape''. Darkwood learns that he can use a specific soul [[AndIMustScream trapped in a crystal]] as a weapon against the Lady of Pain, allowing him to [[AGodAmI take her place]]. It's a deception by the Lady herself; the spell actually traps the user's soul in a crystal and sends it back in time. Darkwood casts the spell, annihilating the soul in the crystal, and is catapulted back in time to endure centuries of torment ... torment that will only end when his past self annihilates his soul [[TimeyWimeyBall in order to trap himself in the first place]]. Although the text doesn't point it out, this is the Lady's little joke; Duke Darkwood constantly proclaimed himself a self-made man, so she provided him [[IronicHell a self-made doom]].
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