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25th Jun '16 4:30:39 PM nombretomado
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* The player character in ''BaldursGate'' is eventually revealed to be (one of many) children of Bhaal, the late God of Murder. As the series goes on, both the Bhaalspawn part of you and other characters try to get you to embrace your heritage and become a proper successor to the lord of murder (even to the point of giving you a SuperpoweredEvilSide that drains your Reputation every time you use it.) It's up the player whether they actually do this, or fight on the side of good instead.

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* The player character in ''BaldursGate'' ''VideoGame/BaldursGate'' is eventually revealed to be (one of many) children of Bhaal, the late God of Murder. As [[Franchise/BaldursGate the series series]] goes on, both the Bhaalspawn part of you and other characters try to get you to embrace your heritage and become a proper successor to the lord of murder (even to the point of giving you a SuperpoweredEvilSide that drains your Reputation every time you use it.) It's up the player whether they actually do this, or fight on the side of good instead.
19th Jun '16 2:12:56 AM Doug86
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* In the first appearance of Necron in ''Comicbook/GreenLantern'', one of his minions demonstrates great courage and disagrees with his boss' invasion of the living universe. He "ascends" to become a Green Lantern that's free of Necron's influence.

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* In the first appearance of Necron in ''Comicbook/GreenLantern'', ''Franchise/GreenLantern'', one of his minions demonstrates great courage and disagrees with his boss' invasion of the living universe. He "ascends" to become a Green Lantern that's free of Necron's influence.
7th Jun '16 7:43:53 AM MarqFJA
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* TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}: This is one theory in-universe for the ultimate goal of [[MeaningfulName Fallen Angel Cypher, formerly of the Dark Angels Space Marines legion]]. On the tabletop he's been able to fight for both chaos and the emperor, and in the lore one conjecture for his cutting a path through the imperium towards holy terra is that he plans to return the [[ReforgedBlade Sword of his former Primarch]] to the Emperor as a token of forgiveness and cease to be a Fallen Angel.

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* TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}: ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'': This is one theory in-universe for the ultimate goal of [[MeaningfulName Fallen Angel Cypher, formerly of the Dark Angels Space Marines legion]]. On the tabletop he's been able to fight for both chaos and the emperor, and in the lore one conjecture for his cutting a path through the imperium towards holy terra is that he plans to return the [[ReforgedBlade Sword of his former Primarch]] to the Emperor as a token of forgiveness and cease to be a Fallen Angel.
7th Jun '16 7:43:39 AM MarqFJA
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* This is one theory [[Franchise/{{Warhammer40000}} in universe]] for the ultimate goal of [[MeaningfulName Fallen Angel Cypher, formerly of the Dark Angels Space Marines legion]]. On the tabletop he's been able to fight for both chaos and the emperor, and in the lore one conjecture for his cutting a path through the imperium towards holy terra is that he plans to return the [[ReforgedBlade Sword of his former Primarch]] to the Emperor as a token of forgiveness and cease to be a Fallen Angel.

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* TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}: This is one theory [[Franchise/{{Warhammer40000}} in universe]] in-universe for the ultimate goal of [[MeaningfulName Fallen Angel Cypher, formerly of the Dark Angels Space Marines legion]]. On the tabletop he's been able to fight for both chaos and the emperor, and in the lore one conjecture for his cutting a path through the imperium towards holy terra is that he plans to return the [[ReforgedBlade Sword of his former Primarch]] to the Emperor as a token of forgiveness and cease to be a Fallen Angel.
27th Apr '16 2:41:18 PM LadyJaneGrey
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** One of the (many) nicknames for TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}'s Lady of Pain is "The fiend of blades", started by someone with the theory she is an ascended fiend. Given that he wasn't [[DeaderThanDead flayed]] (like people who give... less than flattering nicknames) and lived long enough to die of natural causes, this indicates there isn't really an issue with the term.
*** In ''Pages of Pain'' she remembered being a daughter of [[spoiler:Akadi and Poseidon and Set's fiance]]. That is, Lady is a born Power, has the Pain sphere/domain as a gift and would be a goddess if she didn't refuse to.
** In [[http://www.candlekeep.com/compendium/index.htm The Candlekeep Compendium]], there is a certain Erinyes [[spoiler: who is rescued by a gnome adventurer as a mission from a ChaoticGood deity.]]
*** There was a chant about the agathinon Janarr and erinyes Nalura working in mortal disguise on the Prime. They [[DuelOfSeduction sort of]] just did their jobs--she tried to seduce him, he tried to turn her attitude up to [[ThePowerOfLove celestial standards]]. Before they knew whom exactly they faced, ''both'' succeeded. They [[StarCrossedLovers had to hide from their respective bosses]] from that point on, though. (Note that the story never explicitly states that Nalura shifted in alignment as a result of falling in love. Most fans just ''assume'' such.)

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** One of the (many) nicknames for TabletopGame/{{Planescape}}'s Lady of Pain is "The fiend of blades", started by someone with the theory she is an ascended fiend. Given that he wasn't [[DeaderThanDead flayed]] (like people who give... less than flattering nicknames) and lived long enough to die of natural causes, this indicates there isn't really an issue with the term. \n*** In (In ''Pages of Pain'' she remembered being a daughter of [[spoiler:Akadi and Poseidon and Set's fiance]]. That is, Lady is a born Power, has the Pain sphere/domain as a gift and would be a goddess if she didn't refuse to.
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** In [[http://www.candlekeep.com/compendium/index.htm The Candlekeep Compendium]], there is a certain Erinyes [[spoiler: who is rescued by a gnome adventurer as a mission from a ChaoticGood deity.]]
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]] There was a chant about the agathinon Janarr and erinyes Nalura working in mortal disguise on the Prime. They [[DuelOfSeduction sort of]] just did their jobs--she tried to seduce him, he tried to turn her attitude up to [[ThePowerOfLove celestial standards]]. Before they knew whom exactly they faced, ''both'' succeeded. They [[StarCrossedLovers had to hide from their respective bosses]] from that point on, though. (Note that the story never explicitly states that Nalura shifted in alignment as a result of falling in love. Most fans just ''assume'' such.)



** Another succubus example, Eludecia the Succubus Paladin, who is featured prominently in the 3rd Edition Module ''The Legend of the Silver Skeleton''. A succubus who reformed after falling in love with a celestial lord, she took up armor and sword and fought other demons as a paladin. But she made too many enemies, eventually falling victim to the cruel marilith Aishpara. Eludecia was beaten, but not killed; Aishpara used a powerful spell that stripped her to the bone and then turned said bones to silver, placing the skeleton inside a gelatinous cube. This resulted in poor Eludecia's body [[AndIMustScream continually regenerating and dissolving]] until, hopefully, she is rescued by the {{Player Character}}s in the storyline.

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** Another succubus example, Eludecia the Succubus Paladin, who is featured prominently in the 3rd Edition Module ''The Legend of the Silver Skeleton''. A succubus who reformed after falling in love with a celestial lord, she took up armor and sword and fought other demons as a paladin. But she made too many enemies, eventually falling victim to the cruel marilith Aishpara. Aishpara, general of a powerful balor. Eludecia was beaten, but not killed; Aishpara used a powerful spell that [[StrippedToTheBone stripped her to the bone bone]] and then turned said bones to silver, placing the skeleton inside a gelatinous cube. This resulted in Due to her Ring of Regeneration, poor Eludecia's couldn't die, her body [[AndIMustScream continually regenerating and dissolving]] until, and [[BadassInDistress trapped in a sealed catacombs until]], hopefully, she is rescued by the {{Player Character}}s in the storyline.



* Ashrah from ''VideoGame/MortalKombat'' is a demon, formerly from the LegionsOfHell, who gets betrayed and has a HeelFaceTurn in regards to BlackAndWhiteMorality. She comes across a sword that purifies her, every time she slays a demon with it. She becomes a WomanInWhite. Her plan is to gain enough purification that the evil or taint that resided in her demonic creation no longer exists, to the point of the Netherrealm (Hell) being UNABLE to keep her presence inside, for you cannot exist in that realm without a taint on the soul. The idea is that she'll eventually be expelled out of that fiery wasteland. The problem though? She's turned a bit KnightTemplar, or AxCrazy because of this obsession.
** Granted, it's still unclear whether any of this is actually happening, or if the Kris is just a ManipulativeBastard of an EmpathicWeapon that's making her think killing certain targets will save her soul in order to make her into its instrument of genocide.
*** Her ending in one of the games reveal that the Kris really works, but the rate of purification is proportional to the evilness and power of the target. Also, once the user is ascended (and safely expelled from the Netherrealm), the sword stays behind to repeat the process for another demon.

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* Ashrah from ''VideoGame/MortalKombat'' is a demon, formerly from the LegionsOfHell, who gets betrayed and has a HeelFaceTurn in regards to BlackAndWhiteMorality. She comes across a sword that purifies her, every time she slays a demon with it. She becomes a WomanInWhite. Her plan is to gain enough purification that the evil or taint that resided in her demonic creation no longer exists, to the point of the Netherrealm (Hell) being UNABLE to keep her presence inside, for you cannot exist in that realm without a taint on the soul. The idea is that she'll eventually be expelled out of that fiery wasteland. The problem though? She's turned a bit KnightTemplar, or AxCrazy because of this obsession.
** Granted,
obsession. (Granted, it's still unclear whether any of this is actually happening, or if the Kris is just a ManipulativeBastard of an EmpathicWeapon that's making her think killing certain targets will save her soul in order to make her into its instrument of genocide.
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genocide. Her ending in one of the games reveal that the Kris really works, but the rate of purification is proportional to the evilness and power of the target. Also, once the user is ascended (and safely expelled from the Netherrealm), the sword stays behind to repeat the process for another demon.)
27th Apr '16 1:07:24 PM LadyJaneGrey
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* The ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' sourcebook "Book of Exalted Deeds" on good-aligned characters has one chapter on forgiveness. It features an orc chieftain sparing a girl's village because she had saved his life years earlier and a good-aligned [[{{Cthulhumanoid}} illithid]].

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* The ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''
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sourcebook "Book of Exalted Deeds" on good-aligned characters has one chapter on forgiveness. It features an orc chieftain sparing a girl's village because she had saved his life years earlier and a good-aligned [[{{Cthulhumanoid}} illithid]].


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** Another succubus example, Eludecia the Succubus Paladin, who is featured prominently in the 3rd Edition Module ''The Legend of the Silver Skeleton''. A succubus who reformed after falling in love with a celestial lord, she took up armor and sword and fought other demons as a paladin. But she made too many enemies, eventually falling victim to the cruel marilith Aishpara. Eludecia was beaten, but not killed; Aishpara used a powerful spell that stripped her to the bone and then turned said bones to silver, placing the skeleton inside a gelatinous cube. This resulted in poor Eludecia's body [[AndIMustScream continually regenerating and dissolving]] until, hopefully, she is rescued by the {{Player Character}}s in the storyline.
17th Apr '16 10:57:08 PM jormis29
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** In {{Disgaea5}}, this is the net objective of Ultimate Demon Technique, invented by Goldion and mastered by [[spoiler: Killia, and in post game Void]]. Subverted because both a noble heart and sufficient power are required to master it. This is why Zeroken can't use the high level techniques and Liezerota can't use it at all.

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** In {{Disgaea5}}, ''VideoGame/Disgaea5'', this is the net objective of Ultimate Demon Technique, invented by Goldion and mastered by [[spoiler: Killia, and in post game Void]]. Subverted because both a noble heart and sufficient power are required to master it. This is why Zeroken can't use the high level techniques and Liezerota can't use it at all.
17th Apr '16 8:24:40 PM magnum12
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** In {{Disgaea5}}, this is the net objective of Ultimate Demon Technique, invented by Goldion and mastered by [[spoiler: Killia, and in post game Void]]. Subverted because both a noble heart and sufficient power are required to master it. This is why Zeroken can't use the high level techniques and Liezerota can't use it at all.
13th Apr '16 10:18:21 AM Hanz
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* The backstory of the ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry'' series has the "Legendary Dark Knight" Sparda rebel against his kind and fight for humanity, eventually fathering twin sons Dante and Vergil with a human woman named Eva.

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* The In the backstory of the ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry'' series has ''VideoGame/DevilMayCry'', the "Legendary Dark Knight" Sparda rebel was a demon who rebelled against his kind and fight fought for humanity, eventually fathering twin sons Dante and Vergil with a human woman named Eva.
4th Apr '16 12:44:32 PM WillKeaton
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It's not all rainbows and lollipops though. Aside from the fear of backsliding into evil, the Ascended Demon has made enemies of his former kind[[note]](which might not be much worse for them since they're AlwaysChaoticEvil, remember?)[[/note]], and likely faces the [[ReformedButRejected distrust]] of the good guys at the chance they're a CivilianVillain. On the whole, Ascended Demons are a good way to avoid/avert the TheUsualAdversaries and change the situation that states AlwaysChaoticEvil races are completely irredeemable. It's usually used to provide AnAesop that ''everyone'' can earn {{forgiveness}}.

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It's not all rainbows and lollipops though. Aside from the fear of backsliding into evil, the Ascended Demon has made enemies of his former kind[[note]](which kind,[[note]](which might not be much worse for them since they're AlwaysChaoticEvil, remember?)[[/note]], remember?)[[/note]] and likely faces the [[ReformedButRejected distrust]] of the good guys at the chance they're a CivilianVillain. On the whole, Ascended Demons are a good way to avoid/avert the TheUsualAdversaries and change the situation that states AlwaysChaoticEvil races are completely irredeemable. It's usually used to provide AnAesop that ''everyone'' can earn {{forgiveness}}.
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