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26th Apr '16 5:43:56 PM MarkLungo
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* ''Comicbook/{{Runaways}}'', when the kids go on a trip to New York.

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* ''Comicbook/{{Runaways}}'', ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'', when the kids go on a trip to New York.



-->"Yeah--who decided [Ashley Judd] was a movie star?"\\
"I know. Same person who decided Molly Ringwald was."\\

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-->"Yeah--who decided [Ashley Judd] [Creator/AshleyJudd] was a movie star?"\\
"I know. Same person who decided Molly Ringwald Creator/MollyRingwald was."\\



-->'''Chad''': Have you ever seen Michael Crawford on a cereal box?\\

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-->'''Chad''': Have you ever seen Michael Crawford Creator/MichaelCrawford on a cereal box?\\



* Used in ''Film/GoodWillHunting'' as the professor and therapist discuss Will's future. They ask the bartender if he's ever heard of several people who've taken the path they don't want Will to take, including the professor's name. Finally, Robin Williams' character wins with this:

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* Used in ''Film/GoodWillHunting'' as the professor and therapist discuss Will's future. They ask the bartender if he's ever heard of several people who've taken the path they don't want Will to take, including the professor's name. Finally, Robin Williams' Creator/RobinWilliams' character wins with this:



-->'''von Cunth''': Do you remember the assassination of Jimmy Carter?

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-->'''von Cunth''': Do you remember the assassination of Jimmy Carter? UsefulNotes/JimmyCarter?



* ''Jade'' has a governor telling an assistant district attorney to drop a case, or he'll "have as much of a future here as Jerry Brown," to which the DA responds, "Who’s Jerry Brown?"
* At ''Author!, Author!'' Al Pacino is Ivan Travalian, Broadway producer who really needed his last work to be a success. He and all his family are waiting in the cold street at 4:00 A.M. for the newspaper with the reviews of the premiere, [[ReviewsAreTheGospel because the only thing that matters is the newspaper's critic opinion:]]

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* ''Jade'' ''Film/{{Jade}}'' has a governor telling an assistant district attorney to drop a case, or he'll "have as much of a future here as Jerry Brown," UsefulNotes/JerryBrown," to which the DA responds, "Who’s Jerry Brown?"
* At ''Author!, Author!'' Al Pacino In ''Author Author'', Creator/AlPacino is Ivan Travalian, Broadway producer who really needed his last work to be a success. He and all his family are waiting in the cold street at 4:00 A.M. for the newspaper with the reviews of the premiere, [[ReviewsAreTheGospel because the only thing that matters is the newspaper's critic opinion:]]



'''Echo''': You ever heard of Bonnie and Clyde?\\

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'''Echo''': You ever heard of Bonnie and Clyde?\\Film/BonnieAndClyde?\\



'''Balthazar:''' Ugh, because I hated the movie.\\

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'''Balthazar:''' Ugh, because I hated [[Film/{{Titanic 1997}} the movie.movie]].\\



--->'''Balthazar:''' That godawful Celine Dion song made me want to smite myself.\\

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--->'''Balthazar:''' That godawful Celine Dion Music/CelineDion song made me want to smite myself.\\



--->'''Castle''': I mean, I'd rather be Peter Gabriel than Anthony Phillips.\\

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--->'''Castle''': I mean, I'd rather be Peter Gabriel Music/PeterGabriel than [[Music/{{Genesis}} Anthony Phillips.Phillips]].\\



'''Castle''': Exactly.

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'''Castle''': Exactly.[[note]]Phillips was Music/{{Genesis}}' original guitarist; [[ThePeteBest he left after their second album.]][[/note]]



* In ''Series/AgentsOfShield'', Coulson defends S.H.I.E.L.D's policy of covering up supernatural events:
--> '''Coulson''': Do you remember the panic when that anti-matter meteorite landed off the coast of Miami and nearly devoured half the city?

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* In ''Series/AgentsOfShield'', ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'', Coulson defends S.H.I.E.L.D's policy of covering up supernatural events:
--> '''Coulson''': Do you remember the panic when that anti-matter meteorite landed off the coast of Miami UsefulNotes/{{Miami}} and nearly devoured half the city?



* Used in Radio/TheBurnsAndAllenShow, both the radio and TV series. Gracie, when encouraging a young aspiring actress not to give up on her dreams: "Just look at what happened to (name)." "I've never heard of her..." "Of course you haven't! She gave up!"
* In ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'', Sheldon has a rant about how he has a long history of choosing wrong in technology wars such as VHS vs Beta, HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray and iPod vs Zune. Amy asks what a Zune is, to which Sheldon replies, "Exactly."

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* Used in Radio/TheBurnsAndAllenShow, ''Radio/TheBurnsAndAllenShow'', both the radio and TV series. Gracie, when encouraging a young aspiring actress not to give up on her dreams: "Just look at what happened to (name)." "I've never heard of her..." "Of course you haven't! She gave up!"
* In ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'', Sheldon has a rant about how he has a long history of choosing wrong in technology wars such as VHS vs Beta, HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray UsefulNotes/BluRay and iPod vs Zune. Amy asks what a Zune is, to which Sheldon replies, "Exactly."



-->Christopher Columbus never gave up
-->Benjamin Franklin never gave up
-->Abraham Lincoln never gave up

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-->Christopher Columbus -->UsefulNotes/ChristopherColumbus never gave up
-->Benjamin Franklin -->Creator/BenjaminFranklin never gave up
-->Abraham Lincoln -->UsefulNotes/AbrahamLincoln never gave up



* This doesn't quite work in one strip of ''ComicStrip/{{Candorville}}''. [[SpecialGuest Stephen King]] argues that [[Creator/CharlesDickens Dickens's]] fictional portrayal of slum life taught more people more about the slums than [mumble]'s factual reporting. Lemont, unable to hear him, asks "Who?" King responds "Exactly," and both wind up confused.

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* This doesn't quite work in one strip of ''ComicStrip/{{Candorville}}''. [[SpecialGuest Stephen King]] SpecialGuest Creator/StephenKing] argues that [[Creator/CharlesDickens Dickens's]] Creator/CharlesDickens's fictional portrayal of slum life taught more people more about the slums than [mumble]'s factual reporting. Lemont, unable to hear him, asks "Who?" King responds "Exactly," and both wind up confused.



-->'''FBI Agent:''' The Secret of the Sierra Madre, the secret recipe for Coke, and the secret of UsefulNotes/GeorgeBush's appeal.

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-->'''FBI Agent:''' The Secret secret of the Sierra Madre, the secret recipe for Coke, and the secret of UsefulNotes/GeorgeBush's appeal.



-->'''Faye''': You'd better be careful with those drinks, they're what killed Keith Moon.\\

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-->'''Faye''': You'd better be careful with those drinks, they're what killed [[Music/TheWho Keith Moon.Moon]].\\



* ''Webcomic/DorkTower'': Igor [[http://www.dorktower.com/2011/12/06/dork-tower-tuesday-december-6-2011/ educates Matt]] on the efficiency of ''Kickstopper''.

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* ''Webcomic/DorkTower'': Igor [[http://www.dorktower.com/2011/12/06/dork-tower-tuesday-december-6-2011/ educates Matt]] on the efficiency of ''Kickstopper''.[[Website/{{Kickstarter}} Kickstopper]].



-->'''Superman''': Have you ever heard of Mr. Mxyzptlk?\\
'''Green Lantern''': No.\\

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-->'''Superman''': -->'''Franchise/{{Superman}}''': Have you ever heard of Mr. Mxyzptlk?\\
'''Green Lantern''': '''Franchise/GreenLantern''': No.\\



* Parodied on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''; after Lisa fails her audition for first chair in the school orchestra and tells herself there's no shame in being second place, she has a dream about being a member of "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_and_Garfunkel Garfunkel]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_and_Oates Oates]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loggins_and_Messina Messina]], and Lisa", the second-most popular band in America. The group is sponsored by Avis Rent-a-Car and has a #2 single called "Born To Runner-Up".

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* Parodied on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''; after Lisa fails her audition for first chair in the school orchestra and tells herself there's no shame in being second place, she has a dream about being a member of "[[http://en."[[Music/SimonAndGarfunkel Garfunkel]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_and_Garfunkel Garfunkel]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_and_Oates org/wiki/Hall_%26_Oates Oates]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loggins_and_Messina Messina]], and Lisa", the second-most popular band in America. The group is sponsored by Avis Rent-a-Car and has a #2 single called "Born To Runner-Up".



'''Stan''': Because two words: John Kerry.\\

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'''Stan''': Because two words: John Kerry.UsefulNotes/JohnKerry.\\



-->'''Yakko:''' Very Pete Townshend-esque.\\

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-->'''Yakko:''' Very [[Music/TheWho Pete Townshend-esque.Townshend]]-esque.\\



* Parodied in the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' episode "Black Friday", when Stan tries to convince the goth kids that they don't want the [=PS4=] to lose to the Xbox One like Betamax lost to VHS.

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* Parodied in the ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' episode "Black Friday", when Stan tries to convince the goth kids that they don't want the [=PS4=] to lose to the Xbox One UsefulNotes/XboxOne like Betamax lost to VHS.



* UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler says: "Accordingly, I have placed my death-head formations in readiness — for the present only in the East — with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish derivation and language. Only thus shall we gain the living space (Lebensraum) which we need. Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"
** He may have invoked this trope, but the annihilation of the Armenians was a very real event from around the time of WWI. This quote is often used to argue that the Holocaust was at least in part inspired by Turkey's genocide of the Armenians, and its ability to go unpunished for it.
** The Armenian Genocide had somewhat fallen into obscurity at the time, so it worked. Only later was it made more famous once the UN adopted laws against genocide and the Armenian diaspora attempted to finally bring it to justice. Due to Turkey invoking the StreisandEffect they only brought more attention to it in their efforts to cover it up.

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* UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler says: "Accordingly, I have placed my death-head formations in readiness — for the present only in the East — with orders to them to send to death mercilessly and without compassion, men, women, and children of Polish [[UsefulNotes/{{Poland}} Polish]] derivation and language. Only thus shall we gain the living space (Lebensraum) which we need. Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"
[[UsefulNotes/{{Armenia}} Armenians]]?"
** He may have invoked this trope, but the annihilation of the Armenians was a very real event from around the time of WWI. UsefulNotes/WorldWarI. This quote is often used to argue that the Holocaust UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust was at least in part inspired by Turkey's UsefulNotes/{{Turkey}}'s genocide of the Armenians, and its ability to [[KarmaHoudini go unpunished unpunished]] for it.
** The Armenian Genocide had somewhat fallen into obscurity at the time, so it worked. Only later was it made more famous once the UN UsefulNotes/UnitedNations adopted laws against genocide and the Armenian diaspora attempted to finally bring it to justice. Due to Turkey invoking the StreisandEffect StreisandEffect, they only brought more attention to it in their efforts to cover it up.
22nd Apr '16 10:40:33 AM nighttrainfm
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** And another one from later in the same episode.

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** And another one from later in the same episode.conversation.
18th Apr '16 11:15:42 AM Grudgeal
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* From the UsefulNotes/GenghisKhan page on ThisVeryWiki: After a long list of conquered nations, it reads "Khwarezm? You've never heard of that country? Exactly."

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* From the UsefulNotes/GenghisKhan page on ThisVeryWiki: After a long list of conquered nations, it reads "Khwarezm? You've the page asks you to "consider the Khwarazmian Dynasty. Oh, you've never heard of them? ''Exactly''."[[note]][[DontExplainTheJoke The Khwarazmian Dynasty was the imperial dynasty of Persia after the Seljuks died out, ruling a territory that country? Exactly."today encompasses Iran, western Afghanistan, Turkmenistan and southern Uzbekistan. Genghis Khan wiped them all out over a diplomatic insult, causing 300 years of Mongol and Mongol-successor rule over Persia.]][[/note]]
14th Mar '16 2:56:46 AM ClatoLawa
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* In ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'', Sheldon has a rant about how he has a long history of choosing wrong in technology wars such as VHS vs Beta, HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray and iPod vs Zune. Amy asks what a Zune is, to which Sheldon replies, "Exactly."
7th Mar '16 2:02:25 PM Josef5678
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* [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] in ''Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean'': Curse of the Black Pearl.

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* [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] in ''Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean'': Curse of the Black Pearl.''Film/PiratesOfTheCaribbeanTheCurseOfTheBlackPearl''.



'''Jack Sparrow:''' But you ''[[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity have]]'' heard of me.

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'''Jack Sparrow:''' But you ''[[NoSuchThingAsBadPublicity have]]'' ''have'' heard of me.



-->'''Chad''': Have you ever seen [[ThePhantomOfTheOpera Michael Crawford]] on a cereal box?\\

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-->'''Chad''': Have you ever seen [[ThePhantomOfTheOpera Michael Crawford]] Crawford on a cereal box?\\



* ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' has the annihilation variant when Roose Bolton and Jaime Lannister discuss the impending fate of a man who betrayed Jaime's father.

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* ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has the annihilation variant when Roose Bolton and Jaime Lannister discuss the impending fate of a man who betrayed Jaime's father.



* ''Literature/DoctorWhoNovelisations''. In "Series/DoctorWho and the Silurians", a scientist uses this excuse to keep quiet about the Silurians, rather than go public and find his place in history obscured by journalists and politicians, by mentioning the controversy over who invented the radio (it wasn't Marconi).

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* ''Literature/DoctorWhoNovelisations''. ''Literature/DoctorWhoNovelisations'': In "Series/DoctorWho ''Series/DoctorWho and the Silurians", Silurians'', a scientist uses this excuse to keep quiet about the Silurians, rather than go public and find his place in history obscured by journalists and politicians, by mentioning the controversy over who invented the radio (it wasn't Marconi).



** The game features a scene where the captive Guybrush Threepwood is trying to convince the Demon Pirate [=LeChuck=] not to kill him. At one point, it's possible to argue that if [=LeChuck=] kills Guybrush, there will be no more VideoGame/MonkeyIsland games, and hence [=LeChuck=] will wind up just another forgotten game villain. [=LeChuck=] scoffs at this, prompting the following exchange:

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** The game features a scene where the captive Guybrush Threepwood is trying to convince the Demon Pirate [=LeChuck=] not to kill him. At one point, it's possible to argue that if [=LeChuck=] kills Guybrush, there will be no more VideoGame/MonkeyIsland ''VideoGame/MonkeyIsland'' games, and hence [=LeChuck=] will wind up just another forgotten game villain. [=LeChuck=] scoffs at this, prompting the following exchange:



'''Raven''': Keith [[TheWho who]]?\\

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'''Raven''': Keith [[TheWho who]]?\\who?\\



* Parodied on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''; after Lisa fails her audition for first chair in the school orchestra and tells herself there's no shame in being second place, she has a dream about being a member of "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_and_Garfunkel Garfunkel]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_and_Oates Oates]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loggins_and_Messina Messina]], and Lisa", the [[{{Garfunkel}} second-most popular band in America]]. The group is sponsored by Avis Rent-a-Car and has a #2 single called "Born To Runner-Up".

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* Parodied on ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons''; after Lisa fails her audition for first chair in the school orchestra and tells herself there's no shame in being second place, she has a dream about being a member of "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_and_Garfunkel Garfunkel]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hall_and_Oates Oates]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loggins_and_Messina Messina]], and Lisa", the [[{{Garfunkel}} second-most popular band in America]].America. The group is sponsored by Avis Rent-a-Car and has a #2 single called "Born To Runner-Up".



'''Dot:''' [[TheWho Who]]?\\

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'''Dot:''' [[TheWho Who]]?\\Who?\\



** Similarly {{Trivia.X}}'s {{Vaporware}} entry consists of, "What {{Xbox}} port of ''[[VideoGame/{{X}} X3: Reunion]]''? Exactly."

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** Similarly {{Trivia.X}}'s {{Vaporware}} entry consists of, "What {{Xbox}} UsefulNotes/{{Xbox}} port of ''[[VideoGame/{{X}} X3: Reunion]]''? Exactly."
24th Jan '16 10:24:34 AM GlassRain
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* Used in Radio/TheBurnsAndAllenShow, both the radio and TV series. Gracie, when encouraging a young aspiring actress not to give up on her dreams: "Just look at what happened to (name)." "I've never heard of her..." "Of course you haven't! She gave up!"
19th Dec '15 5:21:04 PM nombretomado
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* This actually makes sense in one ''SheHulk'' story, and in quite a disturbing fashion. The Time Variance Authority doesn't just kill people, it [[RetGone prevents them from ever existing in the first place]]. Like Knight Man and Dr. Rocket--not that you'd have heard of them.

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* This actually makes sense in one ''SheHulk'' ''ComicBook/SheHulk'' story, and in quite a disturbing fashion. The Time Variance Authority doesn't just kill people, it [[RetGone prevents them from ever existing in the first place]]. Like Knight Man and Dr. Rocket--not that you'd have heard of them.
21st Nov '15 10:09:51 AM nombretomado
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* This doesn't quite work in one strip of ''{{Candorville}}''. [[SpecialGuest Stephen King]] argues that [[Creator/CharlesDickens Dickens's]] fictional portrayal of slum life taught more people more about the slums than [mumble]'s factual reporting. Lemont, unable to hear him, asks "Who?" King responds "Exactly," and both wind up confused.

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* This doesn't quite work in one strip of ''{{Candorville}}''.''ComicStrip/{{Candorville}}''. [[SpecialGuest Stephen King]] argues that [[Creator/CharlesDickens Dickens's]] fictional portrayal of slum life taught more people more about the slums than [mumble]'s factual reporting. Lemont, unable to hear him, asks "Who?" King responds "Exactly," and both wind up confused.
10th Nov '15 4:10:03 PM hamza678
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* ''Literature/DoctorWhoNovelisations''. In "DoctorWho and the Silurians", a scientist uses this excuse to keep quiet about the Silurians, rather than go public and find his place in history obscured by journalists and politicians, by mentioning the controversy over who invented the radio (it wasn't Marconi).

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* ''Literature/DoctorWhoNovelisations''. In "DoctorWho "Series/DoctorWho and the Silurians", a scientist uses this excuse to keep quiet about the Silurians, rather than go public and find his place in history obscured by journalists and politicians, by mentioning the controversy over who invented the radio (it wasn't Marconi).
30th Jul '15 12:35:06 PM StFan
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* Maybe more a kind of appeal to annihilation than an appeal to obscurity, but in ''AchilleTalon'' there’s a dialogue which goes along these lines:
-->'''Lefuneste''': I don’t want to swim in that pond: the water looks deadly cold!\\
'''Achille''': Come on, you wimp! Think of the [[TheSpartanWay Spartans]]! In the midst of the winter they would play water-polo using ice balls in the rivers they were gladly swimming in!\\
'''Lefuneste''': Exactly: there are no more Spartans!

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* Maybe more a kind of appeal to annihilation than an appeal to obscurity, but in ''AchilleTalon'' there’s ''ComicBook/AchilleTalon'' there's a dialogue which goes along these lines:
-->'''Lefuneste''': -->'''Lefuneste:''' I don’t don't want to swim in that pond: the water looks deadly cold!\\
'''Achille''': '''Achille:''' Come on, you wimp! Think of the [[TheSpartanWay Spartans]]! In the midst of the winter they would play water-polo using ice balls in the rivers they were gladly swimming in!\\
'''Lefuneste''': '''Lefuneste:''' Exactly: there are no more Spartans!



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