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* In issue #3 of IDW's ''Franchise/{{Godzilla}}: Kingdom of Monsters'' series, the NoCelebritiesWereHarmed version of Music/LadyGaga said that humanity shouldn't hold it against [[{{Kaiju}} giant monsters]] for rampaging and destroying cities; it's just what they do, and it would be wrong to kill them for it.
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* In issue #3 of IDW's ''Franchise/{{Godzilla}}: Kingdom of Monsters'' ''ComicBook/GodzillaKingdomOfMonsters'' series, the NoCelebritiesWereHarmed version of Music/LadyGaga said that humanity shouldn't hold it against [[{{Kaiju}} giant monsters]] for rampaging and destroying cities; it's just what they do, and it would be wrong to kill them for it.
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* Shows up in Ian Danskin's video "There's Always A Bigger Fish" as the different between right wingers and left wingers, namely that the latter believe that human beings are by nature equal and the former believes they are by nature ''unequal''. Leftist societies are democratic, and conservatives favor hierarchies, and reject the others' idea as unnatural. Danskin then retorts that all societies are constructed, and the one we have is the one we ''chose'' to have.
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->''Then [the devil] let [the goats] go to pasture alone, but it came to pass that the Lord God perceived how at one time they gnawed away at a fruitful tree, at another injured the noble vines, or destroyed other tender plants. This distressed him, so that in his goodness and mercy he summoned his wolves, who soon tore in pieces the goats that went there. When the devil observed this, he went before the Lord and said, "Thy creatures have destroyed mine." The Lord answered, "Why didst thou create things to do harm?" The Devil said, "I was compelled to do it: inasmuch as my thoughts run on evil, what I create can have no other nature, and thou must pay me heavy damages."''
-->--''[[Creator/TheBrothersGrimm Grimm's Fairy Tales]]'', "The Lord's Anmals and the Devil's"
-->--''[[Creator/TheBrothersGrimm Grimm's Fairy Tales]]'', "The Lord's Anmals and the Devil's"
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* ''[[Creator/TheBrothersGrimm Grimm's Fairy Tales]]'': In "The Lord's Anmals and the Devil's", when God demands of the Devil why he made goats to harm useful plants and deprive others of their fruits, the Devil replies that it in his nature to do evil and can only create harmful things. Furthermore, since he cannot prevent himself from doing this, he claims that he is owed recompense for God's destruction of the goats.
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* ''[[Creator/TheBrothersGrimm Grimm's Fairy Tales]]'': In "The Lord's Anmals and the Devil's", when God demands of the Devil why he made goats to harm useful plants and deprive others of their fruits, the Devil replies that it in his nature to do evil and can only create harmful things. Furthermore, since he cannot prevent himself from doing this, he claims that he is owed recompense for God's destruction of the goats.
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* The old vaudeville tune [[LongTitle "How Could You Believe Me When I Said I Loved You When You Know I've Been A Liar All My Life?"]].
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* This is sadly a reason why [[AdultsAreUseless some adults can be useless]], claiming there's no point helping toddlers/children/teens treat others well because "it's not in their nature". Yes, KidsAreCruel, but can be taught kindness (and without intervention or positive role models, are far less likely to grow out of bad behaviour).
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* Thoroughly mocked in ''TabletopGame/LegendOfTheFiveRings''. While this is a setting based on traditional Japanese ideals of cosmology (and thus, Advantages and Disadvantages tend to [[InTheBlood run in family lines]]), the fact that this isn't ''overall'' true causes a lot of unneeded misery in setting, since a lot of samurai believe it. For example, the first emperor of the [[TokenEvilTeammate Scorpion Clan]] told the clan founder the folktale of the scorpion and the frog...except he changed the ending. When the frog asks why the scorpion stung the frog in the middle of a river, drowning them both, [[ConsummateLiar the scorpion]] replied "[[IAmNotLeftHanded Little frog]], [[ForTheEvulz I can swim.]]" And indeed, the Clan as a whole is untrustworthy and dishonorable...as is their purpose, since their explicit title is "Underhand of the Emperor", the people who do the things Bushido prevents. Individual Scorpions are trained ''specifically'' how to spin this logical fallacy to their advantage; since everyone expects a Scorpion to be untrustworthy, [[SarcasticConfession they can lie by telling the truth]].
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* Thoroughly mocked in ''TabletopGame/LegendOfTheFiveRings''. While this is a setting based on traditional Japanese ideals of cosmology (and thus, Advantages and Disadvantages tend to [[InTheBlood run in family lines]]), the fact that this isn't ''overall'' true causes a lot of unneeded misery in setting, since a lot of samurai believe it. For example, the first emperor great sage Shinsei told the founder of what would become the [[TokenEvilTeammate Scorpion Clan]] told the clan founder the folktale of the scorpion and the frog...frog... except he changed the ending. When the frog asks why the scorpion stung the frog in the middle of a river, drowning them both, [[ConsummateLiar the scorpion]] replied "[[IAmNotLeftHanded Little frog]], [[ForTheEvulz I can swim.]]" And indeed, the Clan as a whole is untrustworthy and dishonorable... as is their purpose, since their explicit title is "Underhand of the Emperor", the people who do the things Bushido prevents. Individual Scorpions are trained ''specifically'' how to spin this logical fallacy to their advantage; since everyone expects a Scorpion to be untrustworthy, [[SarcasticConfession they can lie by telling the truth]].
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* Skeptical theism is a theodicy that basically uses this as the main argument: since GodIsGood, evil is not in His nature, so whenever God does or allows something that appears evil to humans, this must be only because we lack the knowledge to understand how it is really good.
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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheLorax'', the Once-ler has a VillainSong with the line "How ba-a-a-ad can I be? I'm just doing what comes naturally."
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* In ''WesternAnimation/TheLorax'', ''WesternAnimation/TheLorax2012'', the Once-ler has a VillainSong with the line "How ba-a-a-ad can I be? I'm just doing what comes naturally."
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* This is one of the founding principles of the United States. Referenced in the Declaration of Independence and codified in the Bill of Rights is the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law idea]] that all people have basic rights inherent in their humanity; they're not granted by the government and therefore the government can't justly revoke or suppress them. The writers claimed justification in [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution rebelling against the king]] because of his interference with these natural rights.
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--> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights ... That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it...
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* ''Literature/{{Animorphs}}'': A favorite tactic of the [[PuppeteerParasite Yeerks]] to silence people who protest against their parasitic enslavement of any alien race they come across is to claim that they evolved as parasites and are just doing what parasites do. Aftran 492 compares it to human predation of cows and pigs, but the only person she manages to convince is Cassie.
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* [[http://wanderers-library.wikidot.com/grandfather-scorpion Grandfather Scorpion]] from ''Wiki/TheWanderersLibrary'', which directly references the tale of the scorpion and the turtle.
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* [[http://wanderers-library.wikidot.com/grandfather-scorpion Grandfather Scorpion]] from ''Wiki/TheWanderersLibrary'', ''Website/TheWanderersLibrary'', which directly references the tale of the scorpion and the turtle.
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* ''Series/{{The Sandman|2022}}'', "[[Recap/TheSandman2022S01E11ADreamOfAThousandCatsCalliope A Dream of a Thousand Cats]]": The cat prophet tells her audience that if as few as a thousand cats dream of utopia together, they can change the world. One of them remarks afterward to a friend that it's a nice idea, but he can't imagine anyone managing to get that many cats to obey instructions at the same time.
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* Dan Olson of ''WebVideo/FoldingIdeas'' refers to a version of this as the "[[Film/GalaxyQuest Thermian]] argument", a common line of discussion in pop culture where people excuse incredibly offensive subject matter in fiction by declaring that that's the way the story's world works. The name of the argument comes from [[CannotTellFictionFromReality the fact that it treats completely invented material as an unchanging real world]]. As he points out, it's absurd to claim that anything in a story ''has'' to be a given way, because barring pure historical fiction or biography, the worlds of stories are entirely invented by their writers. He gives the example of trying to excuse criticism of a female character wearing {{Stripperiffic}} armor by saying that it's the armor of her tribe, when said tribal culture is entirely an invention of the author.
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* Dan Olson of ''WebVideo/FoldingIdeas'' refers to a version of this as the "[[Film/GalaxyQuest Thermian]] argument", a common line of discussion in pop culture where people excuse incredibly offensive subject matter in fiction SpeculativeFiction by declaring that that's the way the story's world works. The name of the argument comes from [[CannotTellFictionFromReality the fact that it treats completely invented material as an unchanging real world]]. As he points out, it's absurd to claim that anything in a story ''has'' to be a given way, because barring pure historical fiction or biography, the worlds of stories are entirely invented by their writers. He gives the example of trying to excuse criticism of a female character wearing {{Stripperiffic}} armor by saying that it's the armor of her tribe, when said tribal culture is entirely an invention of the author.
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* Dan Olson of ''WebVideo/FoldingIdeas'' refers to a version of this as the "[[Film/GalaxyQuest Thermian]] argument", a common line of discussion in pop culture where people excuse incredibly offensive subject matter in fiction by declaring that that's the way the story's world works. The name of the argument comes from [[CannotTellFictionFromReality the fact that it treats completely invented material as an unchanging real world]]. As he points out, it's absurd to claim that anything in a story ''has'' to be a given way, because barring pure historical fiction or biography, the worlds of stories are entirely invented by their writers: for instance, claiming a story that puts extensive focus on scenes of women being raped by orcs has to be that way because the orcs in the story's world are rapists, when orcs aren't real and can have any traits the writer chooses.
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* Dan Olson of ''WebVideo/FoldingIdeas'' refers to a version of this as the "[[Film/GalaxyQuest Thermian]] argument", a common line of discussion in pop culture where people excuse incredibly offensive subject matter in fiction by declaring that that's the way the story's world works. The name of the argument comes from [[CannotTellFictionFromReality the fact that it treats completely invented material as an unchanging real world]]. As he points out, it's absurd to claim that anything in a story ''has'' to be a given way, because barring pure historical fiction or biography, the worlds of stories are entirely invented by their writers: for instance, claiming writers. He gives the example of trying to excuse criticism of a story female character wearing {{Stripperiffic}} armor by saying that puts extensive focus on scenes of women being raped by orcs has to be that way because it's the orcs in the story's world are rapists, armor of her tribe, when orcs aren't real and can have any traits said tribal culture is entirely an invention of the writer chooses.author.
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* Dan Olson of ''WebVideo/FoldingIdeas'' refers to a version of this as the "[[Film/GalaxyQuest Thermian]] argument", a common line of discussion in pop culture where people excuse incredibly offensive subject matter in fiction by declaring that that's the way the story's world works. The name of the argument comes from [[CannotTellFictionFromReality the fact that it treats completely invented material as an unchanging real world]]. As he points out, it's absurd to claim that anything in a story ''has'' to be a given way, because barring pure historical fiction or biography, the worlds of stories are entirely invented by their writers. It's absurd to claim that, for instance, a story that puts extensive focus on scenes of women being raped by orcs has to be that way because the orcs in the story's world are rapists, when orcs aren't real and can have any traits the writer chooses.
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* Dan Olson of ''WebVideo/FoldingIdeas'' refers to a version of this as the "[[Film/GalaxyQuest Thermian]] argument", a common line of discussion in pop culture where people excuse incredibly offensive subject matter in fiction by declaring that that's the way the story's world works. The name of the argument comes from [[CannotTellFictionFromReality the fact that it treats completely invented material as an unchanging real world]]. As he points out, it's absurd to claim that anything in a story ''has'' to be a given way, because barring pure historical fiction or biography, the worlds of stories are entirely invented by their writers. It's absurd to claim that, writers: for instance, claiming a story that puts extensive focus on scenes of women being raped by orcs has to be that way because the orcs in the story's world are rapists, when orcs aren't real and can have any traits the writer chooses.
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* Dan Olson of ''WebVideo/FoldingIdeas'' refers to a version of this as the "[[Film/GalaxyQuest Thermian]] argument", a common line of discussion in pop culture where people excuse incredibly offensive subject matter in fiction by declaring that that's the way the story's world works. The name of the argument comes from [[CannotTellFictionFromReality the fact that it treats completely invented material as an unchanging real world]]. As he points out, it's absurd to claim that anything in a story ''has'' to be a given way, because barring pure historical fiction or biography, the worlds of stories are entirely invented by their writers. It's absurd to claim that, for instance, a story that puts extensive focus on scenes of women being raped by orcs has to be that way because the orcs in the story's world are rapists, when orcs aren't real and can have any traits the writer chooses.
