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30th Apr '17 1:56:02 PM Az_Tech341
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There's a character who aims to improve their situation in life, be it in terms of [[FictionFiveHundred money]], [[InWithTheInCrowd fame]] or [[TheDarkSide power.]] There is a high probablity of this character starting out as evil or [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope becoming evil very quickly]]. The VisionaryVillain and WellIntentionedExtremist will do horrible things to achieve their [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans Heaven on Earth]]; TheSocialDarwinist and TheSociopath will commit every act of crime and manipulation to move up the ranks; the CorruptCorporateExecutive began as a [[RagsToRiches dirt-poor proletarian who wanted to live wealthy]], etc. Upon attaining this power, they'll likely [[TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget forget whatever it was they wanted it for in the first place.]] An Illusion of {{Pride}}, and the inevitable tale of {{Tragedy}} for the one who dared to be ambitious is likely.

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There's a character who aims to improve their situation in life, be it in terms of [[FictionFiveHundred money]], [[InWithTheInCrowd fame]] fame]], or [[TheDarkSide power.]] There is a high probablity probability of this character starting out as evil or [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope becoming evil very quickly]]. The VisionaryVillain and WellIntentionedExtremist will do horrible things to achieve their [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans Heaven on Earth]]; TheSocialDarwinist and TheSociopath will commit every act of crime and manipulation to move up the ranks; the CorruptCorporateExecutive began as a [[RagsToRiches dirt-poor proletarian who wanted to live wealthy]], etc. Upon attaining this power, they'll likely [[TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget forget whatever it was they wanted it for in the first place.]] An The Illusion of {{Pride}}, and the inevitable tale of {{Tragedy}} for the one who dared to be ambitious is likely.



This trope is one of the reasons why VillainsActHeroesReact. Villains who don't have great ambitions would not [[EvilPlan plot grand schemes and motivate story driving conflicts such as]] WorldDomination or UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans, and therefore, would be boring and petty. It is possible to write an "ambitionless" villain -- see ForTheEvulz -- but they risk coming off as a GenericDoomsdayVillain.

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This trope is one of the reasons why VillainsActHeroesReact. Villains who don't have great ambitions would not [[EvilPlan plot grand schemes and motivate story driving conflicts such as]] WorldDomination or UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans, and and, therefore, would be boring and petty. It is possible to write an "ambitionless" villain -- see ForTheEvulz -- but they risk coming off as a GenericDoomsdayVillain.



Can happen as a result of StatusQuoIsGod. Normally used as an {{Anvilicious}} [[AnAesop Aesop]] about What's Really Important. Unfortunately ends up in a BrokenAesop that teaches us EvilIsCool (or at least open to [[EqualOpportunityEvil social progress]]).

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Can happen as a result of StatusQuoIsGod. Normally used as an {{Anvilicious}} [[AnAesop Aesop]] about What's Really Important.what's really important. Unfortunately ends up in a BrokenAesop that teaches us EvilIsCool (or at least open to [[EqualOpportunityEvil social progress]]).



This is not an uncommon trait of TheStarscream; indeed, it's often what ''makes'' them TheStarscream.

The heroic converse of this trope is ToBeAMaster where the hero is motivated by ambition. Note that heroes tend to pursue "healthy" goals such as strength and knowledge, while villains are more likely to be after power or money, usually [[ItsAllAboutMe for their own benefit and no one else's]] and at other people's expense.

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This is not an uncommon a common trait of TheStarscream; indeed, it's often what ''makes'' them TheStarscream.

The heroic converse of this trope is ToBeAMaster ToBeAMaster, where the hero is motivated by ambition. Note that heroes tend to pursue "healthy" goals such as strength and knowledge, while villains are more likely to be after power or money, usually [[ItsAllAboutMe for their own benefit and no one else's]] and at other people's expense.



This, in a way, is the inverse of LivingIsMoreThanSurviving where achieving more than the most basic things people can do is seen as good.

See also {{Pride}}, PersonalGainHurts and EvilVirtues. Contrast with SelfMadeMan, who did pursue his ambitions, and isn't (undisputably) evil, as well any RagsToRiches story where TheProtagonist meant to become rich.

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This, in a way, is the inverse of LivingIsMoreThanSurviving LivingIsMoreThanSurviving, where achieving more than the most basic things people can do is seen as good.

See also {{Pride}}, PersonalGainHurts and EvilVirtues. Contrast with SelfMadeMan, who did pursue pursues his ambitions, and isn't (undisputably) (necessarily) evil, as well any RagsToRiches story where TheProtagonist meant means to become rich.



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30th Apr '17 8:12:23 AM flodoris
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** This is also Inverted with some villains like Nagato, Tobi and Madara since their wanting to change the world is viewed in a very positive light. But [[StartXToStopX how]] [[AssimilationPlot they]] [[LotusEaterMachine wanted]] to change it is where they gets into trouble.
28th Apr '17 1:40:17 PM Az_Tech341
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** This is also Inverted with some villains like Nagato, Tobi and Madara since their wanting to change the world is viewed in a very positive light. But [[StartXToStopX how]] [[AssimilationPlot they]] [[LotusEaterMachine wanted]] to change it is where they gets into trouble.
28th Apr '17 11:43:53 AM flodoris
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* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'': Orochimaru's ambition to have eternal life (which he believed would be more easily accomplished by becoming Fourth Hokage, and he was passed over in favor of Minato) is pretty much the reason why he turned into the BigBad. Similarly, Danzo was a political rival to the Third Hokage who sought to impose his warlike ideals on the village with means from covert operations to [[spoiler:using his mind control powers to seize the Hokage title after Tsunade goes into a coma]].
** Averted for several characters too, most notably Naruto himself, who wants to be Hokage one day and by Hashirama Senju, the First Hokage, whose boundless ambition to change the world [[spoiler: created the entire system of hidden ninja villages and drastically reduced the [[CrapsackWorld Crapsackiness]] of the world]].

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* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'': Orochimaru's ambition to have eternal life (which he believed would be more easily accomplished by becoming Fourth Hokage, and he was passed over in favor of Minato) is pretty much the reason why he turned into the BigBad. Similarly, Danzo was a political rival to the Third Hokage who sought to impose his warlike ideals on the village with means from covert operations to [[spoiler:using using his mind control powers to seize the Hokage title after Tsunade goes into a coma]].
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** Averted for several characters too, most notably Naruto himself, who wants to be Hokage one day and by Hashirama Senju, the First Hokage, whose boundless ambition to change the world [[spoiler: created the entire system of hidden ninja villages and drastically reduced the [[CrapsackWorld Crapsackiness]] of the world]].world.
** This is also Inverted with some villains like Nagato, Tobi and Madara since their wanting to change the world is viewed in a very positive light. But [[StartXToStopX how]] [[AssimilationPlot they]] [[LotusEaterMachine wanted]] to change it is where they gets into trouble.
13th Apr '17 5:54:23 PM Az_Tech341
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* Played straight with Nagi, Nami, and The Midnight Killer in ''VisualNovel/MajorMinor''. While the former two are looking to effectively restart the universe, there's no denying that their actions have caused death and suffering across the galaxy. The Midnight Killer, [[spoiler: Maxine Armstrong, wants to gain possession of The Ark as she claims she'll use the powers of it to stop death - however the game does not hesitate to show her as being psychotic and treating the lives of the people she's killing as nothing. It's also hinted that she arranged to have her older sister killed so she could inherit Armstrong Incorporated.]] Subverted with [[spoiler: Acheron and Velasquez. Acheron wants to gain the power of The Ark to prevent his psychotic sister from controlling it, and to truly use it to help combat death. Velasquez does want to honestly help The Federation find a new source of power, and seems to genuinely care about his royal subjects - for him it's more or less a matter of if his methods are exactly moral.]]

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* Played straight with Nagi, Nami, and The Midnight Killer in ''VisualNovel/MajorMinor''. While the former two are looking to effectively restart the universe, there's no denying that their actions have caused death and suffering across the galaxy. The [[spoiler:The Midnight Killer, [[spoiler: Maxine Armstrong, wants to gain possession of The Ark as she claims Ark, claiming she'll use the powers of it to stop death - however the game does not hesitate to show her as being however, she is psychotic and treating treats the lives of the people she's killing as nothing. It's also hinted that she arranged to have her older sister killed so she could inherit Armstrong Incorporated.]] Subverted [[spoiler:{{Subverted|Trope}} with [[spoiler: Acheron and Velasquez. Velasquez: Acheron wants to gain the power of The Ark to prevent his psychotic sister from controlling it, and to truly use it to help combat death. death; Velasquez does want wants to honestly help The Federation find a new source of power, and seems to genuinely care about his royal subjects - for him it's more or less a matter subjects, but the morality of if his methods are exactly moral.is questionable.]]
13th Apr '17 5:37:03 PM Nikolinni
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* Played straight with Nagi, Nami, and The Midnight Killer in ''VisualNovel/MajorMinor''. While the former two are looking to effectively restart the universe, there's no denying that their actions have caused death and suffering across the galaxy. The Midnight Killer, [[spoiler: Maxine Armstrong, wants to gain possession of The Ark as she claims she'll use the powers of it to stop death - however the game does not hesitate to show her as being psychotic and treating the lives of the people she's killing as nothing. It's also hinted that she arranged to have her older sister killed so she could inherit Armstrong Incorporated.]] Subverted with [[spoiler: Acheron and Velasquez. Acheron wants to gain the power of The Ark to prevent his psychotic sister from controlling it, and to truly use it to help combat death. Velasquez does want to honestly help The Federation find a new source of power, and seems to genuinely care about his royal subjects - for him it's more or less a matter of if his methods are exactly moral.]]
3rd Apr '17 5:57:20 AM Doug86
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* [[Franchise/StarWars The Sith]] are all about this trope. [[NeutralEvil They actively betray and murder in order to obtain more power]], in contrast to the [[LawfulGood Jedi Philosophy.]] [[DarthBane One particular Sith]] went so far as to destroy the entire Sith leadership because they had stopped the repeated betrayal that usually only weakened the Sith as a whole.

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* [[Franchise/StarWars The Sith]] are all about this trope. [[NeutralEvil They actively betray and murder in order to obtain more power]], in contrast to the [[LawfulGood Jedi Philosophy.]] [[DarthBane [[Literature/DarthBane One particular Sith]] went so far as to destroy the entire Sith leadership because they had stopped the repeated betrayal that usually only weakened the Sith as a whole.
22nd Mar '17 2:33:50 PM Az_Tech341
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* Kuroto Dan in Series/KamenRiderExAid wanted to be become even more famous through developing new brand of videogames better than anything else. That's not the bad part. That he started to go exactly along the lines of [[FrameUp arson]], [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin murder]] and [[EvilIsPetty jaywalking]] to achieve it, on the other hand, is.

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* Kuroto Dan in Series/KamenRiderExAid wanted ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' wants to be become even more famous through developing a new brand of videogames video games better than anything else.any others. That's not the bad part. That he started starts to go exactly along the lines of [[FrameUp arson]], [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin murder]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking arson, murder, and [[EvilIsPetty jaywalking]] to achieve it, on the other hand, is.
22nd Mar '17 12:01:00 PM Flame
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* Kuroto Dan in ''Series/KamenRiderEx-Aid wanted to be become even more famous through developing new brand of videogames better than anything else. That's not the bad part. That he started to go exactly along the lines of [[FrameUp arson]], murder and [[EvilIsPetty jaywalking]] to achieve it, on the other hand is.

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* Kuroto Dan in ''Series/KamenRiderEx-Aid Series/KamenRiderExAid wanted to be become even more famous through developing new brand of videogames better than anything else. That's not the bad part. That he started to go exactly along the lines of [[FrameUp arson]], murder [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin murder]] and [[EvilIsPetty jaywalking]] to achieve it, on the other hand hand, is.
22nd Mar '17 11:58:43 AM Flame
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* Kuroto Dan in ''Series/KamenRiderEx-Aid wanted to be become even more famous through developing new brand of videogames better than anything else. That's not the bad part. That he started to go exactly along the lines of [[FrameUp arson]], murder and [[EvilIsPetty jaywalking]] to achieve it, on the other hand is.
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