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31st Oct '16 2:22:50 PM __Vano
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There's a character who aims to improve their situation in life, be it in terms of [[FictionFiveHundred money]], [[InWithTheInCrowd fame]] or [[TheDarkSide power.]] There is a high probablity of this character starting out as evil or [[FaceHeelTurn becoming evil]] very quickly. The VisionaryVillain and WellIntentionedExtremist will do horrible things to achieve their [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans Heaven on Earth]]; TheSocialDarwinist and TheSociopath will commit every act of crime and manipulation to move up the ranks; the CorruptCorporateExecutive began as a [[RagsToRiches dirt-poor proletarian who wanted to live wealthy]], etc. Upon attaining this power, they'll likely [[TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget forget whatever it was they wanted it for in the first place.]] An Illusion of {{Pride}}, and the inevitable tale of {{Tragedy}} for the one who dared to be ambitious is likely.

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There's a character who aims to improve their situation in life, be it in terms of [[FictionFiveHundred money]], [[InWithTheInCrowd fame]] or [[TheDarkSide power.]] There is a high probablity of this character starting out as evil or [[FaceHeelTurn [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope becoming evil]] evil very quickly.quickly]]. The VisionaryVillain and WellIntentionedExtremist will do horrible things to achieve their [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans Heaven on Earth]]; TheSocialDarwinist and TheSociopath will commit every act of crime and manipulation to move up the ranks; the CorruptCorporateExecutive began as a [[RagsToRiches dirt-poor proletarian who wanted to live wealthy]], etc. Upon attaining this power, they'll likely [[TheDarkSideWillMakeYouForget forget whatever it was they wanted it for in the first place.]] An Illusion of {{Pride}}, and the inevitable tale of {{Tragedy}} for the one who dared to be ambitious is likely.
30th Oct '16 1:26:56 PM SimiOfDoom
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*Kallor from ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' wants power, no matter what the price.
--> 'The High King is cursed to fail, but never to fall. The High King is butů what? Oh, the physical manifestation of ambition. Walking proof of its inevitable price. Fine. Fuck you, too.'
20th Oct '16 8:21:57 AM WaxingName
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* Ambition is the defining characteristic of Dio Brando from ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'', to the point that [[TranshumanTreachery he rejects his humanity]] and transforms himself into a vampire for the sake of gaining more power.

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* Ambition is the defining characteristic of Dio Brando from ''Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure'', ''Franchise/JoJosBizarreAdventure'', to the point that [[TranshumanTreachery he rejects his humanity]] and transforms himself into a vampire for the sake of gaining more power.
17th Oct '16 2:25:57 AM Morgenthaler
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* In ''[[SeventhSea 7th Sea]]'', "Ambitious" is one of the Hubrises that can be taken as a "fatal flaw" by player characters in exchange for more Hero Points at character creation. However, Hubrises aren't explicitly considered evil traits, just dangerous ones, and characters that have one are just as heroic as anyone else. (The game also includes such Hubrises as "Loyal", "Misfortunate" and "Star-crossed".)

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* In ''[[SeventhSea 7th Sea]]'', ''TabletopGame/SeventhSea'', "Ambitious" is one of the Hubrises that can be taken as a "fatal flaw" by player characters in exchange for more Hero Points at character creation. However, Hubrises aren't explicitly considered evil traits, just dangerous ones, and characters that have one are just as heroic as anyone else. (The game also includes such Hubrises as "Loyal", "Misfortunate" and "Star-crossed".)



* In ''[[ProseDescriptiveQualities Swashbucklers of the 7 Skies]]'', "ambitious" best describes the national character of the Barathi, whose empire is tangled, corrupt, and ridden with assassination and Vendetta-killings. The other nations have their own ideals that can cause conflict, but the Barathi are the easiest to hand for any GM who wants a sinister plot driven by someone's desire for power. Ambition is even listed as one of the fatal flaws that distinguishes a swashbuckling villain from a hero, becoming consumed by the need to win.

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* In ''[[ProseDescriptiveQualities ''[[TabletopGame/ProseDescriptiveQualities Swashbucklers of the 7 Skies]]'', "ambitious" best describes the national character of the Barathi, whose empire is tangled, corrupt, and ridden with assassination and Vendetta-killings. The other nations have their own ideals that can cause conflict, but the Barathi are the easiest to hand for any GM who wants a sinister plot driven by someone's desire for power. Ambition is even listed as one of the fatal flaws that distinguishes a swashbuckling villain from a hero, becoming consumed by the need to win.
15th Oct '16 3:05:48 AM DavidCowie
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* Both of the scientists in the Music/{{Vocaloid}} song [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD4azjx6mbE Project "Ma"]] are this

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* Both of the scientists in the Music/{{Vocaloid}} song [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD4azjx6mbE Project "Ma"]] are thisthis.
* "Paranoid Android" by Music/{{Radiohead}} has the prominent line 'Ambition makes you look pretty ugly.'
2nd Oct '16 7:40:06 PM nombretomado
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* Series/{{Revenge}} has Daniel Grayson who took over his company against his fathers wishes and alienated all other friends and lovers in the process.
* On {{ER}}, Kerry Weaver did increasingly underhanded and immoral things in order to advance her career.

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* Series/{{Revenge}} ''Series/{{Revenge}}'' has Daniel Grayson who took over his company against his fathers wishes and alienated all other friends and lovers in the process.
* On {{ER}}, ''Series/{{ER}}'', Kerry Weaver did increasingly underhanded and immoral things in order to advance her career.
22nd Sep '16 2:33:50 PM __Vano
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See also {{Pride}}, PersonalGainHurts and EvilVirtues. Contrast with SelfMadeMan, who did pursue his ambitions, and isn't evil, as well any RagsToRiches story where TheProtagonist meant to become rich.

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See also {{Pride}}, PersonalGainHurts and EvilVirtues. Contrast with SelfMadeMan, who did pursue his ambitions, and isn't (undisputably) evil, as well any RagsToRiches story where TheProtagonist meant to become rich.
22nd Sep '16 2:28:17 PM __Vano
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Can happen as a result of StatusQuoIsGod. Normally used as an {{Anvilicious}} [[AnAesop Aesop]] about What's Really Important. Unfortunately ends up in a BrokenAesop that teaches us EvilIsCool (or at least open to [[EqualOpportunityEvil social progress).]]

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Can happen as a result of StatusQuoIsGod. Normally used as an {{Anvilicious}} [[AnAesop Aesop]] about What's Really Important. Unfortunately ends up in a BrokenAesop that teaches us EvilIsCool (or at least open to [[EqualOpportunityEvil social progress).]]
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For some reason, while even high levels of ambition are bad, [[{{Determinator}} equal or greater levels of determination]] are usually seen as good, or at least not bad. If you have high levels of ''both'', you're TheUnfettered. Heaven help the character intending to use their [[StockSuperPowers super powers]] this way; it guarantees ScrewTheRulesIHaveSupernaturalPowers. If a character wants to rise above the level of their fellows, it might be a case of TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong.

This, in a way, is the reverse of LivingIsMoreThanSurviving - in that achieving more than the most basic things people can do is seen as good, in contrast to this trope.

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For some reason, while even high levels of ambition are bad, [[{{Determinator}} equal or greater levels of determination]] are usually seen presented as good, or at least not bad. If you have high levels of ''both'', you're TheUnfettered. Heaven help the character intending to use their [[StockSuperPowers super powers]] this way; it guarantees ScrewTheRulesIHaveSupernaturalPowers. If a character wants to rise above the level of their fellows, it might be a case of TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong.

This, in a way, is the reverse inverse of LivingIsMoreThanSurviving - in that where achieving more than the most basic things people can do is seen as good, in contrast to this trope.
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2nd Sep '16 2:54:23 AM OgreProdigy
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* HBO's ''Series/TheWire'' argues that every system, from law enforcement to schools to government, is hamstrung by personal ambition. Everyone is too obsessed with advancing their own careers to actually do what is best for the community. Even if you ''do'' selflessly try to do what is right, you will be thwarted by others who refuse to make the same sacrifice.

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* HBO's ''Series/TheWire'' argues that every system, from law enforcement to schools to government, is hamstrung by personal ambition. Everyone is too obsessed with advancing their own careers to actually do what is best for the community. Even if you ''do'' community; since selflessly try trying to do what is what's right, even if you will be thwarted by others succeed, causes you to fall behind in the race for status, the people who refuse to make end up on top are always the same sacrifice.people who sacrifice the most morality to achieve their goals.
16th Aug '16 2:48:39 PM WaxingName
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* In ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'', the BigBad, Ganondorf lead an expedition to the Sacred Realm in order to acquire the Triforce, a creation of the three goddesses that could grant unlimited power to the one who has it. However, when he touched it, the Triforce separated into three parts, as it would only remain intact for those whose hearts value Power, Wisdom, and Courage equally. Ganondorf only received one piece of the whole: the Triforce of Power, as he only valued Power and wanted to TakeOverTheWorld. Meanwhile, the other two pieces, the Triforce of Courage and Triforce of Wisdom, went to the heroes: Link and Princess Zelda respectively. Thus, in all games in the series, it is the job of the various Links and Zeldas to stop Ganondorf from gaining the full Triforce so his ambitions can come to fruition.
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