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*'Uncle Bill' Slim, commander of the 14th or 'forgotten' British army in Burma. when he was defeated orginanly in 1941 and had led his men out on one of the longest retreats of all time, they cheered him as they passed.
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** See also Miles Teg, a descendant of Leto Atreides 5000 years later. While his actions are never gone fully into detail, he is so like Leto that [[spoiler: even an awakened Duncan Idaho ghola is driven into fanatic loyalty, seeing the same Atreides core of integrity]].
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->'''Portgas D. Ace''': ''"Why do you guys call him 'Pops'...?"''\\

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* Robert E. LeeLee of the [[AmericanCivilWar Confederate States of America]]; his men actually referred to him as "Marse Bob" ("Marse" being an old word for "Mister").
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->''"Treat your men as you would your own beloved sons. And they will follow you into the deepest valley."''
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'''Marco''': ''"Because he calls us 'sons'. The world hates us for what we are, you know? So it makes us happy. Even if it's just a word...it still makes us happy!"''
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'''Marco''': ''"Because he calls us 'sons'. The world hates us for what we are, you know? So it makes us happy. Even if it's just a word...it still makes us happy!"''
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->'''Portgas D. Ace''': ''"Why do you guys call him "Pops"...?"''\\
'''Marco''': ''"Because he calls us "sons". The world hates us for what we are, you know? So it makes us happy. Even if it's just a word...it still makes us happy!"''

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->'''Portgas D. Ace''': ''"Why do you guys call him "Pops"...'Pops'...?"''\\
'''Marco''': ''"Because he calls us "sons".'sons'. The world hates us for what we are, you know? So it makes us happy. Even if it's just a word...it still makes us happy!"''

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->'''Portgas D. Ace''': ''"Why do you guys call him "Pops"...?"''\\
'''Marco''': ''"Because he calls us "sons". The world hates us for what we are, you know? So it makes us happy. Even if it's just a word...it still makes us happy!"''
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** An antagonistic example is Prince Dozle Zabi, who actually does a badass LastStand in order to get everyone in Solomon out to safety, from his wife and baby girl to the rookies.

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** An antagonistic example is Prince Dozle Zabi, who actually does a badass LastStand in order to get everyone in Solomon out to safety, from his wife and baby girl to the rookies. rookies.
** Also from the Zekes, [[The08thMSTeam Rear Admiral Yuri Kellarny]], who honestly and earnestly cares for his men despite being loud, obnoxious, and pissing off Ginias because he thinks it's fun. Most exemplified in episode 9 ''The Front Line''.
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--> "A man does not have himself killed for a half pence a day and a petty distinction. [[RousingSpeech You must speak to the soul to electrify him]]."
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* When [[spoiler:Robert E. Lee]] turns out to be unfit for a combat command, General Petraeus alludes to this in assigning him to head a convalescent home for traumatized [[spoiler:"Second Life," aka undead]] [[FishOutOfTemporalWater American soldiers from past wars]].

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* When [[spoiler:Robert E. Lee]] turns out to be unfit for a combat command, command in TheSalvationWar, General Petraeus alludes to this in assigning him to head a convalescent home for traumatized [[spoiler:"Second Life," aka undead]] [[FishOutOfTemporalWater American soldiers from past wars]].
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* Imperial Guard commanders in ''[[{{Warhammer40000}} Warhammer 40,000]] tend to be either this or [[GeneralRipper General Rippers]].

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* Imperial Guard commanders in ''[[{{Warhammer40000}} Warhammer 40,000]] 40,000]]'' tend to be either this or [[GeneralRipper General Rippers]].
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* Imperial Guard commanders in ''[[{{Warhammer40000}} Warhammer 40,000]] tend to be either this or [[GeneralRipper General Rippers]].
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* The title character of LeiningenVersusTheAnts, despite not being military. Even facing a gruesome death from a giant art swarm, Leiningen's plantation workers refuse to abandon him, even when offered an escape route and their full pay to take it. When their only hope comes down to a suicide mission Leiningen takes it upon himself rather then having one of his men attempt it.

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* The title character of LeiningenVersusTheAnts, ''LeiningenVersusTheAnts'', despite not being military. Even facing a gruesome death from a giant art swarm, Leiningen's plantation workers refuse to abandon him, even when offered an escape route and their full pay to take it. When their only hope comes down to a suicide mission Leiningen takes it upon himself rather then having one of his men attempt it.
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* The title character of LeiningenVersusTheAnts, despite not being military. Even facing a gruesome death from a giant art swarm, Leiningen's plantation workers refuse to abandon him, even when offered an escape route and their full pay to take it. When their only hope comes down to a suicide mission Leiningen takes it upon himself rather then having one of his men attempt it.
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* In MarioAndLuigi: Bowser's Inside Story seems to paint Bowser as this, as his minions follow Bowser of out of respect for him, despite his numerous losses. For example, before Bowser's minions notice him about to rescue them, they talk amongst themselves how Bowser would surely help them out of their situation. This is likely due to Bowser being the most competent person in their army.
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* [[http://www.fanfiction.net/u/55667/Erico Erico's]] fanverse for MegaMan features Doctor James Cain of the Maverick Hunters, who the troops revere as a father. For some, such as X and Zero, he's the closest thing to a real father figure they have.

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* [[http://www.fanfiction.net/u/55667/Erico Erico's]] fanverse for MegaMan Mega Man features Doctor James Cain of the Maverick Hunters, who the troops revere as a father. For some, such as X and Zero, he's the closest thing to a real father figure they have.
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* To become a Hokage in ''{{Naurto}}'', one must care deeply for everyone in the village. [[BadassGrandpa Hiruzen Sarutobi]] loved everyone in his village so much, he gladly died for them. This is what makes [[spoiler:the Uchiha Massacre even more devastating for him personally. He basically have to [[OffTheOffSpring off]] the entire clan to save the village.]]

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* To become a Hokage in ''{{Naurto}}'', ''{{Naruto}}'', one must care deeply for everyone in the village. [[BadassGrandpa Hiruzen Sarutobi]] loved everyone in his village so much, he gladly died for them. This is what makes [[spoiler:the Uchiha Massacre even more devastating for him personally. He basically have to [[OffTheOffSpring off]] the entire clan to save the village.]]]] When he saw what [[CompleteMonster Orochimaru]] did to his men, sacrificing them to raise the previous Hokages, he [[ManlyTears cried]] and berated his old student, rightly claiming that Orochimaru didn't learn anything.
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* To become a Hokage in ''{{Naurto}}'', one must care deeply for everyone in the village. [[BadassGrandpa Hiruzen Sarutobi]] loved everyone in his village so much, he gladly died for them. This is what makes [[spoiler:the Uchiha Massacre even more devastating for him personally. He basically have to [[OffTheOffSpring off]] the entire clan to save the village.]]


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** Despite what [[SmallNameBigEgo Karen]] [[FanHater Traviss]] wants you to believe, the Jedi were as fathers to their men, the Clone Troopers, despite their origin. They treated them well, giving advice, etc. Many willingly [[HeroicSacrifice sacrificed]] themselves to save their Clone Troopers.
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*** At the same time, he is so oblivious to how beloved he is by his men - and indeed most of the Imperial Army - that, when an assassin tries to kill him, he points out that it would have made more sense to kill other officers or the Planetary Governor, when his death would be devastating to morale.

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*** At the same time, he is so oblivious to how beloved he is by his men - and indeed most of the Imperial Army - that, when an assassin tries to kill him, he points out that it would have made more sense to kill other officers or the Planetary Governor, when his death would be [[LosingTheTeamSpirit devastating to morale.morale]].
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* Blucher actually called his men "my children" and was called "Father Blucher" by them. The historian David Howarth says that he was able to behave like that largely because he was so old while a younger general would have had to be more distant.

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* Blucher actually [[YoungFrankenstein (*WHINNY*)]]actually called his men "my children" and was called "Father Blucher" by them. The historian David Howarth says that he was able to behave like that largely because he was so old while a younger general would have had to be more distant.
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** It is hinted (although never outright confirmed) that Leto deliberately tries to cultivate this image to inspire said loyalty. Considering the GreyAndGrayMorality in Dune, it is entirely possible that Leto only acted that he cared, and that he figured the odds of saving the spice harvester that was about to be swalled by a sandworm was low. YourMilageMayVary.
*** That's not a bad theory and it might even be true. However, [[BecomingTheMask repetitive behavior often becomes a self-perpetuating cycle]]. Even if Leto initially meant to only cultivate an image of loyalty through charity, keeping it up would be hard enough work that it's sure to have rubbed off on him. Given he seems nice enough in private, this is likely true.
*** There's also the prequels, which pretty much straight out say he's LawfulGood to the core. Of course, YourMilageMayVary [[{{Understatement}} violently]] [[{{Discontinuity}} regarding this]].
*** It is of course possible to be fully aware of the effect your natural behavior has on your men and capitalize on it. In other words Leto could have both genuinely cared for his men AND consciously used that fact to secure their loyalty. Or he may have [[BecomingTheMask become the mask]] as suggested above.
*** And of course making a mask for yourself to become could have more idealistic implications. It could mean one actually desires to be something and that one is making a mold for oneself to grow into.
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* Battle Commander Karrde in ''Fanfic/TiberiumWars'' is deeply concerned about the welfare of the troops under his command. At the same time, he also has [[TheChainsOfCommanding to grapple with the necessity]] of ordering men to their deaths and making battlefield decisions that result in victory at the cost of his troops' lives, which forms a major part of his character's personal conflict over the course of the series.
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* ''IronKingdoms'': Captain Phinneus Shae, captain of the Talion. As his crew are all outcasts and wanted by the Cygnaran army for mutiny, he is willing to kill himself against an undead captain, to keep his crew safe.

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* ''IronKingdoms'': Captain Phinneus Shae, pirate captain of the Talion. As his crew are all outcasts and wanted by the Cygnaran army for mutiny, he is willing to kill himself against an undead captain, to keep his crew safe.
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* ''IronKingdoms'': Captain Phinneus Shae, captain of the Talion. As his crew are all outcasts and wanted by the Cygnaran army for mutiny, he is willing to kill himself against an undead captain, to keep his crew safe.
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*Surprised no one mentioned him before, but Professor Zorndyke from ''{{Blue Submarine No 6}}'' applies in every interpretation of this trope. The literal creator of an entire army and race of chimeras, whose appearances range from adorable to NightmareFuel, Zorndyke is looked upon more as a father than a military power by his children. This feeling is mutual in that he cares for all his children and teaches them how to speak, read, and often prays for their safety. This relationship is often shown through his interactions with his son Zerg. At first glance Zerg seemed like a CompleteMonster, razing entire cities of civilians, sinking entire fleets, and planning on wiping out the last humans with their own nukes. But as the series goes on we see that he does everything in an effort to please his father and make him proud (He also never refers to him as anything else but "Papa"). Probably the crowning moment of this trope was at the end of the series were all of Zorndyke's children carried their father's body into the sea for burial. The moment is truly saddening and tear jerking, even more so when Verg appears, exhausted and dying from his own wounds, who upon seeing his father's shrouded body cradles him and cries like an child, screaming for his Papa.
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* ''Not'' the case with HoratioHornblower, who attempts to maintain proper distance and reserve between himself and his crew. They worship him anyway, because he's absolutely fair to them, and utterly brilliant in battle.
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* George B. McLellan could be considered a real life {{Deconstruction}}. He thought so highly of his men that he wasn't willing to risk them against the Confederates, and thus passed up several opportunities to either capture Richmond or defeat Lee's Army of Northern Virginia. To make things worse, when he ran for President on the Democratic Party ticket in 1864, the men he once commanded voted strongly Republican.
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* ''TheATeam'': Col. John "Hannibal" Smith, the A-Team's leader, can fall under this. He smiles at Murdock's antics like a parent watching their young child act out fantasies, he can keep B. A. under control, and he reminds Face to keep his wandering eye in check and focus on the task at hand. Hannibal also has this cute habit of referring to the other members of the A-Team by their military ranks (Captain, Lieutenant, and Sergeant, respectively), even though they've all technically been discharged, and they intern refer to him as "Colonel." He also always has unwavering faith that his men will get the job done.

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