History Literature / TillWeHaveFaces

12th Mar '16 12:17:26 AM GrammarNavi
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ExternalRetcon: Orual writes her book to set the record straight after hearing a priest's false story about Psyche. Eventually, [[spoiler: Orual retcons her own story when she comes to realize her true motivations were selfish.]] (Of course, TillWeHaveFaces functions as this in real life as well.)

to:

* ExternalRetcon: Orual writes her book to set the record straight after hearing a priest's false story about Psyche. Eventually, [[spoiler: Orual retcons her own story when she comes to realize her true motivations were selfish.]] (Of course, TillWeHaveFaces ''Till We Have Faces'' functions as this in real life as well.)
1st Jan '15 6:01:58 PM Jeduthun
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* TheGloriousWarOfSisterlyRivalry: Redival is the pretty but ditzy one; Orual is the clever but unattractive one. Orual's feelings for Istra are more complicated.
23rd May '14 7:32:25 PM tempestinateapot
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* BecomingTheMask: Orual.


Added DiffLines:

* FlyingDutchman: [[spoiler: Istra, after disobeying her husband, is exiled to wander the earth until she can be reunited with the God of the Mountain.]]


Added DiffLines:

* InsaneTrollLogic: The gods, according to Orual.


Added DiffLines:

* MindScrew


Added DiffLines:

* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Orual, after [[spoiler: Istra is exiled from the Mountain.]]


Added DiffLines:

* RageAgainstTheHeavens: Orual's intent in writing the book.


Added DiffLines:

* ScaryAmoralReligion: The cult of Ungit.


Added DiffLines:

* TragicMistake: [[spoiler: Convincing Istra to disobey her husband.]]


Added DiffLines:

* VirginSacrifice: Istra.


Added DiffLines:

* WorldsMostBeautifulWoman: Istra.
21st Apr '14 12:56:43 AM Bezy
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ReleaseYourSlaves: Orual did quite a bit, starting with the Fox. [[ValuesDissonance Appropriately for her time]], she never regards slavery as a bad thing; rather, she thinks it's just (and prudent) for a good mistress to give freedom as a reward to faithful and hard-working slaves, and she expects (and receives) gratitude in return.

to:

* ReleaseYourSlaves: Orual did quite a bit, starting with the Fox. [[DeliberateValuesDissonance Appropriately]] for [[ValuesDissonance Appropriately for her time]], she never regards slavery as a bad thing; rather, she thinks it's just (and prudent) for a good mistress to give freedom as a reward to faithful and hard-working slaves, and she expects (and receives) gratitude in return.
6th Apr '14 4:58:58 AM ninjacrat
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* GroinAttack: A young soldier, Tarin, flirts with Orual's sister Redival, so the King has him made into a eunuch.
** Doubles as DisproportionateRetribution, unless perhaps you're prepared to argue for ValuesDissonance.



* LoveMakesYouEvil: Lewis believed that human love -- absent divine grace -- is selfishness in a pretty mask, which ultimately destroys the object of affection.
** To be fair, he believed that ''every'' human emotion -- absent divine grace -- [[HumansAreBastards inevitably becomes twisted and evil]]. It's a consequence of the Fall. Love is stronger, so its effects are greater. (He says elsewhere, "[Love] is a stronger angel, and therefore, when it falls, a fiercer devil.")

to:

* LoveMakesYouEvil: Lewis believed that human love -- absent divine grace -- is selfishness in a pretty mask, which ultimately destroys the object of affection.
** To be fair, he believed that ''every'' human emotion -- absent divine grace -- [[HumansAreBastards inevitably becomes twisted and evil]]. It's a consequence of the Fall. Love is stronger, so its effects are greater.
affection. (He says elsewhere, "[Love] is a stronger angel, and therefore, when it falls, a fiercer devil.")
2nd Apr '14 10:24:48 PM Narsil
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ReleaseYourSlaves: Orual did quite a bit, starting with the Fox.

to:

* ReleaseYourSlaves: Orual did quite a bit, starting with the Fox. [[ValuesDissonance Appropriately for her time]], she never regards slavery as a bad thing; rather, she thinks it's just (and prudent) for a good mistress to give freedom as a reward to faithful and hard-working slaves, and she expects (and receives) gratitude in return.
12th Feb '14 2:31:56 AM ninjacrat
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** In-universe in the early part of the book, between the Fox's Greek philosophy and the beliefs of Glome, which sanction the occasional human sacrifice, castration of a man who flirts with the King's daughter, among other [[SarcasmMode pleasant things]].
** Subverted, in that the civilised Greek, the Fox, thinks it "barbarous and scandalous that women in our land [primitive Glome] go about bareface."
** Invoked by Istra's acceptance that she should be sacrificed.
** Invoked by Orual's behaviour once she becomes queen. All agree - including Orual herself - that she is the most merciful ruler in that part of the world. Yet she quite casually recalls, in among a list of her sensible and humane reforms such as freeing deserving slaves, that she [[spoiler: had her old nurse Batta hanged for being a tale-bearer and bully. OK, Batta was a nasty old drunk, but ''still'']].

to:

** In-universe in In the early part of the book, between the Fox's Greek philosophy and the beliefs of Glome, which sanction the occasional human sacrifice, castration of a man who flirts with the King's daughter, among other [[SarcasmMode pleasant things]].
** Subverted, in that the The civilised Greek, the Fox, thinks it "barbarous and scandalous that women in our land [primitive Glome] go about bareface."
** Invoked by Istra's acceptance that she should be sacrificed.
** Invoked by Orual's behaviour once she becomes queen. All agree - including Orual herself - that she is the most merciful ruler in that part of the world. Yet she quite casually recalls, in among a list of her sensible and humane reforms such as freeing deserving slaves, that she [[spoiler: had her old nurse Batta hanged for being a tale-bearer and bully. OK, Batta was a nasty old drunk, but ''still'']].
30th Dec '13 4:24:33 PM Goldfritha
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* LoveAtFirstNote: Downplayed -- but at one point, the beauty of Orual's voice persuades a man she's beautiful. (Not much annoyed at being rebuffed, though.)
27th Oct '13 10:58:44 AM Bezy
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* MidBattleTeaBreak: Orual comments how occasionally, in the heat of battle, she would befriend an enemy soldier for a few brief seconds before killing him.

to:

* MidBattleTeaBreak: Orual comments how occasionally, in the heat of battle, she would befriend an enemy soldier for share a few brief seconds of friendship with an enemy soldier if something such as a gust of wind happened to distract them both as they fought, before killing him.
23rd Oct '13 4:18:31 AM Bezy
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Omnipresent

to:

* DeliberateValuesDissonance: OmnipresentOmnipresent.



** Then subverted in the second part of the book when she looks back on her own actions and comes to see that although she was a generally good ruler, friend and sister, that is not enough.

to:

** Then subverted in the second part of the book when she looks back on her own actions and comes to see (among more dramatic revelations) that although she was a generally good meant well as a ruler, and did truly love as a friend and sister, that is not enough.
This list shows the last 10 events of 25. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Literature.TillWeHaveFaces