History Literature / TheSilverChair

16th Dec '17 12:13:18 PM mlsmithca
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* AuthorTract: At the end of the book, where the Lady of the Green Kirtle is set up as a HollywoodAtheist of the "completely evil" variety and Lewis puts into her mouth some dubious philosophical arguments against the existence of Aslan, although given her supernatural powers, she could be read as more like a demon than an atheist. Though she certainly is ''tempting'' the protagonists to atheism.
** Specifically, the Lady of the Green Kirtle's arguments are all based on the {{Genetic Fallacy}}, to dismiss an idea on the basis of its origin. All the more egregious for the fact that the Lady knows full well that both Aslan and the outside world exist. Of course, the magic of her mandolin makes the arguments more convincing to the protagonists than they otherwise would be.

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* AuthorTract: AuthorTract:
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At the end of the book, where the Lady of the Green Kirtle is set up as a HollywoodAtheist of the "completely evil" variety and Lewis puts into her mouth some dubious philosophical arguments against the existence of Aslan, although given her supernatural powers, she could be read as more like a demon than an atheist. Though she certainly is ''tempting'' the protagonists to atheism.
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atheism. Specifically, the Lady of the Green Kirtle's arguments are all based on the {{Genetic Fallacy}}, to dismiss an idea on the basis of its origin. All the more egregious for the fact that the Lady knows full well that both Aslan and the outside world exist. Of course, the magic of her mandolin makes the arguments more convincing to the protagonists than they otherwise would be.



* BoardingSchoolOfHorrors: Jill's and Eustace's school, which is a mix of the author's personal experience and educational theories he spoke against in ''The Abolition of Man''. Unusually for the trope (and interestingly considering Creator/CSLewis's own childhood experience under a SadistTeacher), the school's abuses stem not from draconian discipline but from an indulgent ''lack'' of discipline that allows [[GangOfBullies gangs of bullies]] to run wild, terrorizing ordinary students like Jill and Eustace.
** The children's school seems to be more inspired by the "Wyvern" period of Lewis's life, as detailed in ''Surprised By Joy''.

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* BoardingSchoolOfHorrors: Jill's and Eustace's school, which is a mix of the author's personal experience and educational theories he spoke against in ''The Abolition of Man''. Unusually for the trope (and interestingly considering Creator/CSLewis's own childhood experience under a SadistTeacher), the school's abuses stem not from draconian discipline but from an indulgent ''lack'' of discipline that allows [[GangOfBullies gangs of bullies]] to run wild, terrorizing ordinary students like Jill and Eustace.
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Eustace. The children's school seems to be more inspired by the "Wyvern" period of Lewis's life, as detailed in ''Surprised By Joy''.



* DarkIsNotEvil: The army of the Lady of the Green Kirtle is mostly composed of mind-controlled slaves [[spoiler: who turn out to be friendly and fun-loving once freed from the witch's control]]. The witch herself plays the [[LightIsNotGood opposite trope]].
** Not to mention that said mind-controlled slaves were taken by magic from their home deep in the ground, farther than anyone has ever gone. They think it's a fantastic place to live and describe some nice things about it [[spoiler: before returning there]].

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* DarkIsNotEvil: The army of the Lady of the Green Kirtle is mostly composed of mind-controlled slaves [[spoiler: who turn out to be friendly and fun-loving once freed from the witch's control]]. The witch herself plays the [[LightIsNotGood opposite trope]].
** Not to mention that said
trope]]. Said mind-controlled slaves were taken by magic from their home deep in the ground, farther than anyone has ever gone. They think it's a fantastic place to live and describe some nice things about it [[spoiler: before returning there]].



* TheEeyore: Puddleglum the Marsh-wiggle, though unusually for this trope, his pessimism saves their lives more often than not.
** Though the other Marsh-wiggles don't get much screen time, it's shown (in part by other Narnian's reactions to Puddleglum) that it's the entire species' [[PlanetOfHats hat]]; Puddleglum [[InformedAttribute is said to be]] one of the most ''optimistic'' examples. We can only imagine how depressing the others must be.

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* TheEeyore: Puddleglum the Marsh-wiggle, though unusually for this trope, his pessimism saves their lives more often than not.
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not. Though the other Marsh-wiggles don't get much screen time, it's shown (in part by other Narnian's reactions to Puddleglum) that it's the entire species' [[PlanetOfHats hat]]; Puddleglum [[InformedAttribute is said to be]] one of the most ''optimistic'' examples. We can only imagine how depressing the others must be.



* HaveAGayOldTime: "Gay", said Puddleglum... "That's what we've got to be. Gay. You must watch me, and do as I do. I'll be gay. Like this."

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* HaveAGayOldTime: HaveAGayOldTime:
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"Gay", said Puddleglum... "That's what we've got to be. Gay. You must watch me, and do as I do. I'll be gay. Like this."



* PatrickStewartSpeech[=/=]ShutUpHannibal: Puddleglum does an incredibly [[MomentOfAwesome awesome]] one. The BBC Television adaptation is more concise without losing any of its impact, especially when delivered by Creator/TomBaker himself. It can be seen [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wuiq7j4nCA here.]]

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* PatrickStewartSpeech[=/=]ShutUpHannibal: PatrickStewartSpeech: Puddleglum does an incredibly [[MomentOfAwesome awesome]] one. The BBC Television adaptation is more concise without losing any of its impact, especially when delivered by Creator/TomBaker himself. It can be seen [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wuiq7j4nCA here.]]



* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Lord Drinian (who was the Captain of the Dawn Treader) plays a fairly central role in the story of Rilian's disappearance, but is not accounted for in the present-day.
** Considering how old Caspian is, and the fact Drinian is probably older then him, even being referred to as one of the older courtiers about ten years before the story begins, it is likely he died in the intervening time.
* [[WhyDidItHaveToBeSnakes Why Did It Have To Be Underground?]]: Jill's claustrophobia makes the trip to Underland through several dark, incredibly cramped passages and tunnels paralyzingly terrifying for her.
** Eustace has a similar aversion to heights.
* WishFulfillment: [[spoiler: When Aslan, Caspian, and Eustace teach the bullies at the boarding school a lesson]]. Note that Lewis' autobiography, ''Surprised by Joy'', reveals that he had a bad experience at a boarding school.

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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Lord Drinian (who was the Captain of the Dawn Treader) plays a fairly central role in the story of Rilian's disappearance, but is not accounted for in the present-day.
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present-day. Considering how old Caspian is, and the fact Drinian is probably older then him, even being referred to as one of the older courtiers about ten years before the story begins, it is likely he died in the intervening time.
* [[WhyDidItHaveToBeSnakes Why Did It Have To Be Underground?]]: WhyDidItHaveToBeSnakes: Jill's claustrophobia makes the trip to Underland through several dark, incredibly cramped passages and tunnels paralyzingly terrifying for her.
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her. Eustace has a similar aversion to heights.
* WishFulfillment: WishFulfillment:
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[[spoiler: When Aslan, Caspian, and Eustace teach the bullies at the boarding school a lesson]]. Note that Lewis' autobiography, ''Surprised by Joy'', reveals that he had a bad experience at a boarding school.



* [[YouKilledMyFather You killed my Mother]]: After his mother was killed by a serpent, Rillian then spent his time searching the area to kill it. [[spoiler:It turns out the witch entrapped him this way and was the serpent...]]

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* [[YouKilledMyFather You killed my Mother]]: After YouKilledMyFather: Mother rather than father, but after his mother was killed by a serpent, Rillian then spent his time searching the area to kill it. [[spoiler:It turns out the witch entrapped him this way and was the serpent...]]
6th Dec '17 11:58:03 AM Jeduthun
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* CarnivoreConfusion: The distinction between eating a regular non-sapient animal and eating a talking animal is a plot point, as [[spoiler: the "gentle giants" of Harfang are discovered to have killed a talking stag, which our heroes unknowingly ate for dinner]]. There's an interesting range of opinions even among the heroes: Jill is sad as she would be when she thinks about any animal suffering; Eustace who has been friends with talking animals is horrified as though hearing of a murder; but Puddleglum who is a native Narnian is appalled almost to the point of suicide and compares it to a [[IAteWhat human discovering they had]] [[EatsBabies eaten a baby]]. Eventually they are all persuaded that Puddleglum's point of view is the correct one.
9th Oct '17 8:17:39 PM Chariset
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* ExactWords: The Lady of the Green Kirtle sends the giants "two children for the Autumn Feast." She neglects to tell them what giants ''eat'' at the Autumn Feast...



* IAteWhat: See below.
* ImAHumanitarian: Not literally, but it's mentioned that, in Narnian culture, eating talking animals is considered equivalent to cannibalism, as they have human-level intelligence. When Puddleglum finds out [[IAteWhat what the giants served him]], he has a massive attack of FridgeHorror and is momentarily almost DrivenToSuicide.

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* IAteWhat: See below.
When the protagonists learn that they have been eating a Talking Stag.
* ImAHumanitarian: Not literally, but it's mentioned that, in Narnian culture, eating talking animals is considered equivalent to cannibalism, as they have human-level intelligence. When Puddleglum finds out [[IAteWhat what the giants served him]], he has a massive attack of FridgeHorror and is momentarily almost DrivenToSuicide.FridgeHorror, the way you might feel if you learned you'd been eating a baby.
29th Sep '17 7:25:04 PM Tarlonniel
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* ToServeMan: The "gentle giants" are quite happy that the Lady of the Green Kirtle sent the three heroes to them for the Autumn Feast...

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* ToServeMan: The "gentle giants" are quite happy that the Lady of the Green Kirtle sent the three heroes sends Scrubb and Pole to Harfang with instructions to greet their hosts from her and say she is sending them two Southern children for the Autumn Feast...Feast. [[spoiler: "It's a cookbook," indeed - they literally find one.]]
29th Sep '17 7:18:46 PM Tarlonniel
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* DistressedDude: [[spoiler: Rilian]] is under the enchantment of the evil Lady of the Green Kirtle. Jill, Eustace, and Puddleglum rescue him.
29th Sep '17 7:14:38 PM Tarlonniel
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* CuckooNest: The brainwashing sequence.

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* CuckooNest: The brainwashing sequence.Lady of the Green Kirtle attempts to {{brainwash}} the heroes into believing that Narnia was a dream and that her kingdom is the only real world.
7th Jun '17 9:20:06 PM Fireblood
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* StrawHypocrite: The Lady of the Green Kirtle comes off as an atheist trying to convince the protagonists that Aslan (along with the world up above) don't actually exist, but it turns out that she knows very well they do. It was just an evil scheme for confusing them.
14th Apr '17 4:56:25 PM Fireblood
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** Though the other Marsh-wiggles don't get much screen time, it's shown (in part by other Narnian's reactions to Puddleglum) that it's the entire species' [[PlanetOfHats hat]]; Puddleglum [[InformedAttribute is said to be]] one of the most ''optimistic'' examples.

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** Though the other Marsh-wiggles don't get much screen time, it's shown (in part by other Narnian's reactions to Puddleglum) that it's the entire species' [[PlanetOfHats hat]]; Puddleglum [[InformedAttribute is said to be]] one of the most ''optimistic'' examples. We can only imagine how depressing the others must be.


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* PrefersTheIllusion: When faced with the Lady of the Green Kirtle's claim that Aslan and Narnia are simply things they dreamed up, Puddleglum answers that if that's true he prefers them to reality.
16th Dec '16 5:34:09 AM Johntoxable
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** Specifically, the Lady of the Green Kirtle's arguments are all based on the {{Genetic Fallacy}}, to dismiss an idea on the basis of its origin. All the more egregious for the fact that the Lady knows full well that both Aslan and the outside world exist. Of course, the magic of her harp makes the arguments more convincing to the protagonists than they otherwise would be.

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** Specifically, the Lady of the Green Kirtle's arguments are all based on the {{Genetic Fallacy}}, to dismiss an idea on the basis of its origin. All the more egregious for the fact that the Lady knows full well that both Aslan and the outside world exist. Of course, the magic of her harp mandolin makes the arguments more convincing to the protagonists than they otherwise would be.
16th Dec '16 5:30:58 AM Johntoxable
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* AuthorTract: At the end of the book, where the Lady of the Green Kirtle is set up as a HollywoodAtheist of the "completely evil" variety and Lewis puts into her mouth some deliberately skewed philosophical arguments against the existence of Aslan, although given her supernatural powers, she could be read as more like a demon than an atheist. Though she certainly is ''tempting'' the protagonists to atheism.

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* AuthorTract: At the end of the book, where the Lady of the Green Kirtle is set up as a HollywoodAtheist of the "completely evil" variety and Lewis puts into her mouth some deliberately skewed dubious philosophical arguments against the existence of Aslan, although given her supernatural powers, she could be read as more like a demon than an atheist. Though she certainly is ''tempting'' the protagonists to atheism.atheism.
** Specifically, the Lady of the Green Kirtle's arguments are all based on the {{Genetic Fallacy}}, to dismiss an idea on the basis of its origin. All the more egregious for the fact that the Lady knows full well that both Aslan and the outside world exist. Of course, the magic of her harp makes the arguments more convincing to the protagonists than they otherwise would be.
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