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5th Feb '17 12:18:54 AM Theriocephalus
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A sequel series has Center and the [[SoulJar recorded mind]] of Raj acting as SpiritAdvisor to a couple of brothers on another world who must fight the Chosen, a SocialDarwinist [[TheEmpire Empire]] of [[RecycledInSpace Space]] [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazis]], ({{Expies}} of Stirling's own Literature/TheDraka), to ready their planet for entry into TheAlliance founded by The General. This series uses elements from The Spanish-American War, UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, the Spanish Civil War, and UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Yet another sequel series does the same on another planet, with Creator/EricFlint stepping in for Stirling after the first book (Flint also co-wrote with Drake in the ''Literature/BelisariusSeries''), and doesn't even try to disguise the nod to ancient Rome.

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A sequel series has Center and the [[SoulJar recorded mind]] of Raj acting as SpiritAdvisor to a couple of brothers on another world who must fight the Chosen, a SocialDarwinist [[TheEmpire Empire]] of [[RecycledInSpace Space]] [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Nazis]], ({{Expies}} of Stirling's own Literature/TheDraka), to ready their planet for entry into TheAlliance founded by The the General. This series uses elements from The the Spanish-American War, UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, the Spanish Civil War, and UsefulNotes/WorldWarII. Yet another sequel series does the same on another planet, with Creator/EricFlint stepping in for Stirling after the first book (Flint also co-wrote with Drake in the ''Literature/BelisariusSeries''), and doesn't even try to disguise the nod to ancient Rome.



* AllPlanetsAreEarthlike: Bellevue's native vegetation has a reddish coloration and native lifeforms are dangerous sauroids. It's mentioned repeatedly that without aggressive hunting of the sauroids, nobody can live on Bellevue except the barbarian Skinners. However, some of the native life is edible, and reportedly TastesLikeChicken.

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* AllPlanetsAreEarthlike: Bellevue's native vegetation has a reddish coloration and native lifeforms are include dangerous sauroids. It's mentioned repeatedly that without aggressive hunting of the sauroids, nobody can live on Bellevue except the barbarian Skinners. However, some of the native life is edible, and reportedly TastesLikeChicken.



* BarbarianTribe: The Military Governments, descended from [[TheFederation Federation]] soldiers stationed out in the boonies. Some are VERY barbaric indeed - and NONE of the This Earth heretics speak proper Spanjol!

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* BarbarianTribe: The Military Governments, descended from [[TheFederation Federation]] soldiers stationed out in the boonies. Some are VERY barbaric indeed - -- and NONE of the This Earth heretics speak proper Spanjol!
5th Feb '17 12:17:01 AM Theriocephalus
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In addition to the Civil Government there is 'The Colony', a Moslem state founded by refugees from the Final Jihad and the Civil Government's most formidable rival. (The Colony was on Bellevue ''first''; presumably they had their own name for the planet.) Its other enemies are the Brigade and the Squadron; blond, fair-skinned barbarians speaking a corrupted form of American English -- Namerique -- and descended from mutinous Federation troops stranded by the Fall.

After nearly losing his command and his life on a raid against the Colony, Raj returns to defeat the Colony's Settler and its great general Tewfik ibn Jamal in the first book of the series, ''The Forge''. Raj's next assignment, in ''The Hammer'', is the reconquest of the Southern Territories currently held by The Squadron, a barbarian naval power. Raj's campaign to retake the Western Territories from 'The Brigade' is covered in ''The Anvil'' and ''The Steel''. In the final book ''The Sword'' Raj returns to the east to face the one general who's ever beaten him, Tewfik.

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In addition to the Civil Government there is 'The 'the Colony', a Moslem state founded by refugees from the Final Jihad and the Civil Government's most formidable rival. (The Colony was on Bellevue ''first''; presumably they had their own name for the planet.) Its other enemies are the Brigade and the Squadron; blond, fair-skinned barbarians speaking a corrupted form of American English -- Namerique -- and descended from mutinous Federation troops stranded by the Fall.

After nearly losing his command and his life on a raid against the Colony, Raj returns to defeat the Colony's Settler and its great general Tewfik ibn Jamal in the first book of the series, ''The Forge''. Raj's next assignment, in ''The Hammer'', is the reconquest of the Southern Territories currently held by The the Squadron, a barbarian naval power. Raj's campaign to retake the Western Territories from 'The Brigade' the Brigade is covered in ''The Anvil'' and ''The Steel''. In the final book ''The Sword'' Raj returns to the east to face the one general who's ever beaten him, Tewfik.
30th Oct '16 9:23:25 PM dlchen145
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* AllPlanetsAreEarthlike: Bellevue's native vegetation has a reddish coloration and native lifeforms are dangerous sauroids. It's mentioned repeatedly that without aggressive hunting of the sauroids, nobody can live on Bellevue except the barbarian [[BadAss Skinners]]. However, some of the native life is edible, and reportedly TastesLikeChicken.

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* AllPlanetsAreEarthlike: Bellevue's native vegetation has a reddish coloration and native lifeforms are dangerous sauroids. It's mentioned repeatedly that without aggressive hunting of the sauroids, nobody can live on Bellevue except the barbarian [[BadAss Skinners]].Skinners. However, some of the native life is edible, and reportedly TastesLikeChicken.



* {{Badass}}: Raj Whitehall.
7th May '16 6:42:30 PM Carnildo
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* TheRival - Tewfik ibn Jamal to Raj Whitehall.

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* TheRival - Tewfik ibn Jamal to Raj Whitehall. Mentioned at the end of the series is that if Center's physical components had been located in Al Kebir rather than East Residence, Tewfik would have been its chosen tool for re-uniting civilization rather than Raj, and Raj would be the one left picking up the pieces after his country's leader charged headlong into military disaster.



* RoyallyScrewedUp: Governor Barholm and his nephew and heir Cabot Clerett are both raging paranoiacs who are exceedingly distrustful of Raj for various reasons, even though he has never even hinted at having any desire for the Chair.

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* RoyallyScrewedUp: RoyallyScrewedUp:
** On the Civil Government side,
Governor Barholm and his nephew and heir Cabot Clerett are both raging paranoiacs who are exceedingly distrustful of Raj for various reasons, even though he has never even hinted at having any desire for the Chair.Chair.
** On the Colonist side, Settler Ali gained the throne through a bloody civil war against his brother, and then, not being particularly secure on the throne, developed a habit of killing anyone he thought might be a threat -- or was in the wrong place at the wrong time, or was [[YouHaveFailedMe unable to do the impossible]], or...



* ShoutOut: almost too many to list.
5th May '16 8:32:57 PM Carnildo
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** The Civil Government is Byzantine Rome, the Colony is the Sassanid Empire, the Squadron and Brigade are Vandals and Ostrogoths respectively, and the Skinners are the Huns.

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** In ''The General'' pentology:
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The Civil Government is Byzantine Rome, the Colony is the Sassanid Empire, the Squadron and Brigade are Vandals and Ostrogoths respectively, and the Skinners are the Huns.Huns.
*** Seen in the background are the Halvaardi, a Fantasy Counterpart Parody of the Helvetii[[note]]tribal ancestors to the Swiss[[/note]] (ceremonial cuckoo clock hanging from the belt, anyone?)
*** Religion-wise, the Spirit of Man religion is a counterpart to Christianity, with the "of the Stars" branch being Orthodox, while the "of This Earth" branch being Arianism (and the mentioned-in-passing doctrine of the Unified Code is Monophysitism). This comes complete with a dispute between the Old Residence (Rome) and East Residence (Constantinople) religious leaders over supremacy.
18th Nov '15 4:21:54 AM Nohbody
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--> ''Spirit of Man of the Stars give me strength!''
--> '''that is not my function.'''
--> - Raj Whitehall and Center

--> '''stochastic effects may randomize even the most rigorous calculation.'''
--> - Center

--> '''if the enemy reacts perfectly, both in making a plan on the basis of statistically-insignificant intelligence and in execution of that plan, then they could successfully attack us tonight. in that case, i will begin to believe in a god myself. theirs.'''
--> - Center

--> '''i am not god.'''
--> '' No, but you're the closest approximation available within current parameters''
--> - Center and Raj Whitehall
16th Nov '15 11:48:03 PM KeithM
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The majority of the series is out of print now, but the first two books have been republished as "Hope Reborn" (available as Warlord at BaenCD), a new book, ''The Heretic'' was released in 2014.



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The majority of the series is out of print now, but the first two books have been republished as "Hope Reborn" (available as Warlord at BaenCD), a BaenCD). A new book, ''The Heretic'' was released in 2013 and its sequel ''The Saviour'' in 2014.





* AssimilationBackfire: [[spoiler: When Zentrum gets into Abel's head to brainwash him into betraying the rebellion, it is horrified to discover that a backup cope of Center and Raj was hidden in there, and Center writes itself into Zentrum's hardware, erasing it and taking its place.]]

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* AssimilationBackfire: [[spoiler: When Zentrum gets into Abel's head to brainwash him into betraying the rebellion, it is horrified to discover that a backup cope copy of Center and Raj was hidden in there, and Center easily overpowers it and writes itself into Zentrum's hardware, erasing it and taking its place.]]



* DaysOfFuturePast



* DaysOfFuturePast

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* DaysOfFuturePastDeathWorld: ''The Saviour'' reveals that Duisberg is a planet in a system with a very large and very active populations of asteroids and comets that regularly pummel the planet so that The Valley is the only significant piece of real estate at the current time that's not a blasted wasteland, and that's a result of pre-Fall technology allowing humans to protect the planet after it was colonized and partially terraformed. Center calculates that the MedievalStasis enforced by Zentrum would doom humanity on the planet to extinction since it's only a matter of time until another impactor comes in and there's nothing that anyone would be able to do to detect it, let alone stop it.
16th Nov '15 11:35:35 PM KeithM
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* BanditClan: The Skinners live in clan grouping and survive mostly by hunting the native sauroids, but their primary interaction with other cultures is to RapePillageAndBurn.

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* BanditClan: The Skinners live in clan grouping and survive mostly by hunting the native sauroids, but their primary interaction with other cultures is to RapePillageAndBurn. Not necessarily in that order.
16th Nov '15 11:34:56 PM KeithM
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* AssimilationBackfire: [[spoiler: When Zentrum gets into Abel's head to brainwash him into betraying the rebellion, it is horrified to discover that a backup cope of Center and Raj was hidden in there, and Center writes itself into Zentrum's hardware, erasing it and taking its place.]]


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* BatmanGambit: Center and Raj planned on [[spoiler: Abel being forced into linking with Zentrum so Center's backup copy could attack Zentrum directly]].
1st Jul '15 10:12:01 PM Nohbody
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* FemmeFatale: Lady Whitehall uses her feminine wiles quite freely to advance her husband's goals, fighting from the shadows the dirty political battles that Raj is ill-equipped to fight.



* ImprobableAimingSkills - Center can do things to your perceptions, just ''starting'' with overlaying gunsights on your vision, that make unlikely shots rather more likely. Battle-hardened vets stare in awe after Raj takes down several enemies with rapid pistol fire, one-shot-one-kill. At one point it enables him to shoot a grenade out of the air -- he's relieved no one saw that, because if they had, the rumors that he receives 'divine' aid would become unstoppable.

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* ImprobableAimingSkills - ImprobableAimingSkills:
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Center can do things to your perceptions, just ''starting'' with overlaying gunsights on your vision, that make unlikely shots rather more likely. Battle-hardened vets stare in awe after Raj takes down several enemies with rapid pistol fire, one-shot-one-kill. At one point it enables him to shoot a grenade out of the air -- he's relieved no one saw that, because if they had, the rumors that he receives 'divine' aid would become unstoppable.unstoppable.
** The Skinners may be barbarians using primitive firearms, but they almost always hit what they aim at, and several times the chief Skinner was able to hit objects with offhanded shots that weren't even aimed. One shot by the Skinner chief zips by Raj's head about a meter away, but he doesn't flinch from it because he knows that Skinners consider it insulting to hit something other than what they were aiming at.



* PlotHole - A Companion reported dead in the first book reappears with a promotion but no explanation in the second.
** The "death report" was a quickly shouted statement on a battlefield collapsing due to the routed soldiers the reporteress was leading. Mere battlefield gossip. Lampshaded in a later book where militia refuse to open a city gate in Old Residence due to similar reports of Raj's death, ''with Raj standing there in front of them''.
** All true, but would it have killed Drake and Stirling to put it in black and white?
** Continued discussion on [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main.TheGeneralDiscussion The General Discussion Page]].
* [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Proud Warrior Race Guys]] - Several. There are the ''Squadrones'', ''The Brigederos'' and most vicious of all the Skinners, who are anything but [[NobleSavage noble savages]]!
* RapePillageAndBurn - According to Bellevue rules of war, what the troops are entitled to do after a city is taken by storm. The officers either take part or close their eyes to it. Things are usually brought back under control in twenty-four hours or so. In Raj's army, any violation of civilian property or persons after that is punishable by hanging.

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* PlotHole - A Companion reported dead in the first book reappears with a promotion but no explanation in the second.
** The "death report" was a quickly shouted statement on a battlefield collapsing due to the routed soldiers the reporteress was leading. Mere battlefield gossip. Lampshaded in a later book where militia refuse to open a city gate in Old Residence due to similar reports of Raj's death, ''with Raj standing there in front of them''.
** All true, but would it have killed Drake and Stirling to put it in black and white?
** Continued discussion on [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main.TheGeneralDiscussion The General Discussion Page]].
* [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Proud Warrior Race Guys]] -
ProudWarriorRaceGuy: Several. There are the ''Squadrones'', ''The Brigederos'' and most vicious of all the Skinners, who are anything but [[NobleSavage noble savages]]!
* RapePillageAndBurn - RapePillageAndBurn: According to Bellevue rules of war, what the troops are entitled to do after a city is taken by storm. The officers either take part or close their eyes to it. Things are usually brought back under control in twenty-four hours or so. In Raj's army, any violation of civilian property or persons after that is punishable by hanging.



* ShoutOut - almost too many to list.
** Raj is called "the King of Spades" as was Robert E. Lee, and his nickname of 'Messer Raj' is very similar to Lee's "Marse Robert".
** Shakespeare's Henry V is cribbed on more than one occasion.
*** Lampshaded in the books: Raj asks Bartin Foley where he got the words for that speech, and Bartin replies that it's from a surviving fragment of a "pre-Fall" drama.
** Raj utters a variant of Cromwell's famous before-battle prayer. "Oh Spirit of Man of the Stars, you know how busy I must be this day. Do not forget me, even if I forget You."
** Suzette quotes Stonewall Jackson. "No, I don't want them to be brave. Kill them all."
** The lines: "He fears his fate too much or his desserts are small/ who will not put it to the touch to win or lose it all." are used as a toast.
*** Originally said by James Graham, Marquis of Montrose (1612 - 1650). Brilliant Scottish general who finally 'put it to the touch' a few times too many.
** And then there's all the Creator/RudyardKipling...
** ...and one to Bill Mauldin. In 'The Steel', Raj's soldiers are trudging through the muddy landscape of the Brigade's lands, heading for Old Residence, and one asks, "What's the name of this river?" On being told it's the Wolturno, he replies "Ever fukkin' river in dis country is named Wolturno."
** The second sequel series makes two mentions of an evidently frog-like native creature ... called a [[TheMuppetShow kermitoid]].
** One of the characters mentions the story of an incorruptible cop who, after being framed and thrown into a prison with ''loads'' of convicts who hated him, used [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} Rorshach's]] line: "I'm not locked up in here with you. You're locked up in here with me."
** The Halvaardi seem to like the Spartans: "-so the next tax collector who asks for 'earth and water'...gets thrown down a well to find plenty of both".
** In ''The Heretic'', Center makes several references to aspects of future-prediction calculations as '[[Literature/{{Foundation}} Seldonian]]'.

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* ShoutOut - ShoutOut: almost too many to list.
** Raj is called "the King of Spades" as was Robert E. Lee, and his nickname of 'Messer Raj' is very similar to Lee's "Marse Robert".
** Shakespeare's Henry V is cribbed on more than one occasion.
*** Lampshaded in the books: Raj asks Bartin Foley where he got the words for that speech, and Bartin replies that it's from a surviving fragment of a "pre-Fall" drama.
** Raj utters a variant of Cromwell's famous before-battle prayer. "Oh Spirit of Man of the Stars, you know how busy I must be this day. Do not forget me, even if I forget You."
** Suzette quotes Stonewall Jackson. "No, I don't want them to be brave. Kill them all."
** The lines: "He fears his fate too much or his desserts are small/ who will not put it to the touch to win or lose it all." are used as a toast.
*** Originally said by James Graham, Marquis of Montrose (1612 - 1650). Brilliant Scottish general who finally 'put it to the touch' a few times too many.
** And then there's all the Creator/RudyardKipling...
** ...and one to Bill Mauldin. In 'The Steel', Raj's soldiers are trudging through the muddy landscape of the Brigade's lands, heading for Old Residence, and one asks, "What's the name of this river?" On being told it's the Wolturno, he replies "Ever fukkin' river in dis country is named Wolturno."
** The second sequel series makes two mentions of an evidently frog-like native creature ... called a [[TheMuppetShow kermitoid]].
** One of the characters mentions the story of an incorruptible cop who, after being framed and thrown into a prison with ''loads'' of convicts who hated him, used [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} Rorshach's]] line: "I'm not locked up in here with you. You're locked up in here with me."
** The Halvaardi seem to like the Spartans: "-so the next tax collector who asks for 'earth and water'...gets thrown down a well to find plenty of both".
** In ''The Heretic'', Center makes several references to aspects of future-prediction calculations as '[[Literature/{{Foundation}} Seldonian]]'.
list.



* SufferTheSlings
* TakeThat - It's mentioned that the war dogs are often fed a particular kind of fish, a bottom-feeder with a disgusting smell, utterly unfit to be eaten by humans. The fish is called the ''avocati'' -- clearly derived from the Spanjol for "[[AcceptableProfessionalTargets lawyer]]." Only good for dog food, eh....
* ThrowAwayGuns - Barbarians like the Squadrones and Brigaderos still use flintlocks and muzzle loaders and so carry a lot of spares.
* TrueCompanions- Literally, the Companions, a circle of loyal lieutenants around Raj.
** TheLancer - Colonel Gerrin Staenbridge, second in command.
** LoveableRogue - Antin M'Lewis, former Bufford parish thief and captain of scouts.
** TheSmartGuy - Colonel Jorg Menyez, infantry leader and fortifications expert (unfortunately allergic to dogs); Colonel Dinnalsyn, chief of artillery.
** TheBigGuy -- Major Kaltin Gruder, the straightforward & unimaginative blunt instrument.
** SergeantRock - Master Sergeant [=DaCruz=].
*** [[spoiler:Subverted when [=DaCruz=] gets killed in a skirmish with the Squadrones in the second book]].

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%% * SufferTheSlings
* TakeThat - TakeThat: It's mentioned that the war dogs are often fed a particular kind of fish, a bottom-feeder with a disgusting smell, utterly unfit to be eaten by humans. The fish is called the ''avocati'' -- clearly derived from the Spanjol for "[[AcceptableProfessionalTargets lawyer]]." Only good for dog food, eh....
* ThrowAwayGuns - ThrowAwayGuns: Barbarians like the Squadrones and Brigaderos still use flintlocks and muzzle loaders and so carry a lot of spares.
spares, instead of taking time to reload that lets their opponents get free shots at them.
* TrueCompanions- TrueCompanions: Literally, the Companions, a circle of loyal lieutenants around Raj.
** TheLancer - TheLancer: Colonel Gerrin Staenbridge, second in command.
** LoveableRogue - LoveableRogue: Antin M'Lewis, former Bufford parish thief and captain of scouts.
** TheSmartGuy - TheSmartGuy: Colonel Jorg Menyez, infantry leader and fortifications expert (unfortunately allergic to dogs); Colonel Dinnalsyn, chief of artillery.
** TheBigGuy -- TheBigGuy: Major Kaltin Gruder, the straightforward & unimaginative blunt instrument.
** SergeantRock - SergeantRock: Master Sergeant [=DaCruz=].
*** [[spoiler:Subverted when [=DaCruz=] gets killed in a skirmish with the Squadrones in the second book]].
[=DaCruz=].



* VestigialEmpire - the Gubierno Civil is practically a text book example. Indeed the shrinkage is a serious problem that might lead to the extinction of Human life on Bellevue if not reversed.
* WellIntentionedExtremist - Center, who considers the cause of Human civilization worth any number of individual Human lives ... though he becomes less and less happy about it the longer he knows Raj.

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* VestigialEmpire - the VestigialEmpire: The Gubierno Civil is practically a text book example. Indeed the shrinkage is a serious problem that might lead to the extinction of Human life on Bellevue if not reversed.
* WellIntentionedExtremist - WellIntentionedExtremist: Center, who considers the cause of Human civilization worth any number of individual Human lives ... though he becomes less and less happy about it the longer he knows Raj.
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