History Literature / SurfaceDetail

15th Jan '18 12:24:11 PM Unsung
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* TheMole: [[spoiler: Vatueil]], who was hired by the pro-Hell side [[spoiler:to cheat, infiltrating the anti-Hell side and make them lose. Along the way, his outlook changed; he decided to genuinely help the anti-Hell side and screwed over his employers. Of course, taking into account the Culture's and Zakalwe's past connection with them, [[DoubleReverseQuadrupleAgent he might have been working for the anti-Hell side all along]].

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* TheMole: [[spoiler: Vatueil]], who was hired by the pro-Hell side [[spoiler:to cheat, infiltrating the anti-Hell side and make them lose. Along the way, his outlook changed; he decided to genuinely help the anti-Hell side and screwed over his employers. Of course, taking into account the Culture's and Zakalwe's past connection with them, [[DoubleReverseQuadrupleAgent he might have been working for the anti-Hell side all along]].]]
15th Jan '18 12:23:42 PM Unsung
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** [[spoiler:Zakalwe comes back from the dead over and over during the book; he loses count.]]
*** [[spoiler:The deaths are only simulated, and he's aware of this.]]

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** [[spoiler:Zakalwe [[spoiler:Vatueil]], a soldier in the War in Heaven, comes back from the dead over and over during the book; he loses count.]]
*** [[spoiler:The
count. The deaths are only simulated, and he's aware of this.this, but this being Hell, it ''feels'' real enough. Of course, the much bigger reveal is that [[spoiler:Vatueil is actually [[Literature/UseOfWeapons Zakalwe]], working for and/or against the Culture once again, and atoning for his sins in the only manner in which he's capable.]]



* DistantFinale: [[spoiler:Not in the novel itself, but it is a DistantFinale/resolution to ''Literature/UseOfWeapons''.]]

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* DistantFinale: [[spoiler:Not in Not the novel itself, as a whole, but it [[spoiler:the epilogue is a DistantFinale/resolution to ''Literature/UseOfWeapons''.]]



* IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance: Veppers - CEO of a multiplanetary MegaCorp, owner of hunting estates the size of a small country, schemer, ruthless business mogul, and self-made man - is part of a conspiracy. [[spoiler:He's the fall guy. He's so far out of his depth that at one point when he tries to bypass all the machinations and just ''buy'' what he wants, an alien outright tells him that all his money is useless in the circles of the Involved, and he still doesn't get it]].

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* IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance: Veppers - -- CEO of a multiplanetary MegaCorp, owner of hunting estates the size of a small country, schemer, ruthless business mogul, and self-made man - -- is part of a conspiracy. [[spoiler:He's the fall guy. He's so far out of his depth that at one point when he tries to bypass all the machinations and just ''buy'' what he wants, an alien outright tells him that all his money is useless in the circles of the Involved, and he still doesn't get it]].



* TheMole: [[spoiler: Vatueil/Zakalwe was hired by the pro-Hell side to infiltrate the anti-Hell side and make them lose. Along the way, his outlook changed; he decided to genuinely help the anti-Hell side and screwed over his employers]]

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* TheMole: [[spoiler: Vatueil/Zakalwe Vatueil]], who was hired by the pro-Hell side to infiltrate [[spoiler:to cheat, infiltrating the anti-Hell side and make them lose. Along the way, his outlook changed; he decided to genuinely help the anti-Hell side and screwed over his employers]]employers. Of course, taking into account the Culture's and Zakalwe's past connection with them, [[DoubleReverseQuadrupleAgent he might have been working for the anti-Hell side all along]].



* SignificantAnagram: One of the characters' names hints at their true identity. [[spoiler:"Vatueil" is an anagram for ''Livueta'', Zakalwe's sister from ''Literature/UseOfWeapons'', and the person whose forgiveness Zakalwe craves -- and Vatueil is Zakalwe, as revealed in the epilogue.]]



** Though this is somewhat more relevant to reality than most examples of this trope, as this is a scenario that a number of real life transhumanists and singularitarians are genuinely concerned about.

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** Though this is somewhat more relevant to reality than most examples of this trope, as this is a scenario that a number of real life transhumanists and singularitarians are genuinely concerned about.about, and whether the lesson itself is directly applicable, there's something to be said about the cost of pursuing retribution for its own sake.



* TwoAliasesOneCharacter / TomatoSurprise: [[spoiler:Vatueil, a high ranked soldier fighting on the anti-Hell side is revealed in TheStinger to be Zakalwe from ''Literature/UseOfWeapons'']].

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* TwoAliasesOneCharacter / TomatoSurprise: Occurs in the epilogue. [[spoiler:Vatueil, a high ranked soldier fighting on the anti-Hell side is revealed in TheStinger to be Zakalwe from ''Literature/UseOfWeapons'']].
9th Jan '18 3:31:01 AM john_e
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* ArtificialAfterlife: The VR hells.
4th May '17 2:29:32 PM Gregzilla
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* TheMole: [[spoiler: Vatueil/Zakalwe was hired by the pro-Hell side to infiltrate the anti-Hell side and make them lose. Along the way, his outlook changed; he decided to genuinely help the anti-Hell side and [[ReliableTraitor screwed over his employers]]]]

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* TheMole: [[spoiler: Vatueil/Zakalwe was hired by the pro-Hell side to infiltrate the anti-Hell side and make them lose. Along the way, his outlook changed; he decided to genuinely help the anti-Hell side and [[ReliableTraitor screwed over his employers]]]]employers]]
13th Feb '17 2:41:00 PM Kafkesque
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* BatmanGambit: It's not spelled out, but the late reveal that Veppers [[spoiler: is providing the processing power necessary to run the VR hells]] brings up the question of how much involvement the supposedly neutral Culture had in Lededje's part of the story.

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* BatmanGambit: It's not spelled out, but the late reveal that Veppers [[spoiler: is providing the processing power necessary to run the VR hells]] brings up the question of [[AmbiguousSituation how much involvement involvement]] the supposedly neutral Culture had in Lededje's part of the story.
13th Feb '17 2:39:17 PM Kafkesque
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* BatmanGambit: It's not spelled out, but the late reveal that Veppers [[spoiler: is providing the processing power necessary to run the VR hells]] brings up the question of how much involvement the supposedly neutral Culture had in Lededje's part of the story.
18th Dec '16 2:03:53 PM Xtifr
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'''''Surface Detail''''' is a 2010 novel of Literature/TheCulture, set 800 years after ''Look to Windward'' (and far after the earlier novels in the series). It tells the story of Lededje Y'breq, an Intagliated slave (covered in tattoos, even on the level of DNA- hence the title) who after being murdered by her master Veppers, is resurrected by the Culture and begins to seek revenge. The story also deals with an online war whose outcome reflects reality that's being fought over the continued existence of a virtual reality Hell in which a copy of an unfortunate person's consciousness endures horrific punishment. The Culture is on the anti-Hell side, but not directly... at least at first...

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'''''Surface Detail''''' ''Surface Detail'' is a 2010 novel of Literature/TheCulture, set 800 years after ''Look to Windward'' (and far after the earlier novels in the series). It tells the story of Lededje Y'breq, an Intagliated slave (covered in tattoos, even on the level of DNA- hence the title) who after being murdered by her master Veppers, is resurrected by the Culture and begins to seek revenge. The story also deals with an online war whose outcome reflects reality that's being fought over the continued existence of a virtual reality Hell in which a copy of an unfortunate person's consciousness endures horrific punishment. The Culture is on the anti-Hell side, but not directly... at least at first...
14th Oct '16 12:08:26 PM SorPepita
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* BrainUploading: The main contention with the Virtual Hells. Two characters even copy their mindstates into the Hells to prove they exist, but fall in love during their time together. It becomes an issue when only one of the mindstates can be brought back and integrated with the real version of themselves. The copy left behind becomes it's own distinct being when it isn't brought back to the original.

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* BrainUploading: The main contention with the Virtual Hells. Two characters even copy their mindstates into the Hells to prove they exist, but fall in love during their time together. It becomes an issue when only one of the mindstates can be brought back and integrated with the real version of themselves. The copy left behind becomes it's its own distinct being when it isn't brought back to the original.
14th Oct '16 12:04:15 PM SorPepita
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* BrainUploading: The main contention with the Virtual Hells. Two characters even copy their mindstates into the Hell's to prove they exist, but fall in love during their time together. It becomes an issue when only one of the mindstates can be brought back and integrated with the real version of themselves. The copy left behind becomes it's own distinct being when it isn't brought back to the original.

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* BrainUploading: The main contention with the Virtual Hells. Two characters even copy their mindstates into the Hell's Hells to prove they exist, but fall in love during their time together. It becomes an issue when only one of the mindstates can be brought back and integrated with the real version of themselves. The copy left behind becomes it's own distinct being when it isn't brought back to the original.
19th Jul '16 11:35:09 AM Calandir
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* BrainUploading: The main contention with the Virtual Hells. Two characters even copy their mindstates into the Hell's to prove they exist, but fall in love during their time together. It becomes an issue when only one of the mindstates can be brought back and integrated with the real version of themselves. The copy left behind becomes it's own distinct being when it isn't brought back to the original.
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