History Literature / SurfaceDetail

13th Feb '17 2:41:00 PM Kafkesque
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* BatmanGambit: It's not spelled out, but the late reveal that Veppers [[spoiler: is providing the processing power necessary to run the VR hells]] brings up the question of how much involvement the supposedly neutral Culture had in Lededje's part of the story.

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* BatmanGambit: It's not spelled out, but the late reveal that Veppers [[spoiler: is providing the processing power necessary to run the VR hells]] brings up the question of [[AmbiguousSituation how much involvement involvement]] the supposedly neutral Culture had in Lededje's part of the story.
13th Feb '17 2:39:17 PM Kafkesque
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* BatmanGambit: It's not spelled out, but the late reveal that Veppers [[spoiler: is providing the processing power necessary to run the VR hells]] brings up the question of how much involvement the supposedly neutral Culture had in Lededje's part of the story.
18th Dec '16 2:03:53 PM Xtifr
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'''''Surface Detail''''' is a 2010 novel of Literature/TheCulture, set 800 years after ''Look to Windward'' (and far after the earlier novels in the series). It tells the story of Lededje Y'breq, an Intagliated slave (covered in tattoos, even on the level of DNA- hence the title) who after being murdered by her master Veppers, is resurrected by the Culture and begins to seek revenge. The story also deals with an online war whose outcome reflects reality that's being fought over the continued existence of a virtual reality Hell in which a copy of an unfortunate person's consciousness endures horrific punishment. The Culture is on the anti-Hell side, but not directly... at least at first...

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'''''Surface Detail''''' ''Surface Detail'' is a 2010 novel of Literature/TheCulture, set 800 years after ''Look to Windward'' (and far after the earlier novels in the series). It tells the story of Lededje Y'breq, an Intagliated slave (covered in tattoos, even on the level of DNA- hence the title) who after being murdered by her master Veppers, is resurrected by the Culture and begins to seek revenge. The story also deals with an online war whose outcome reflects reality that's being fought over the continued existence of a virtual reality Hell in which a copy of an unfortunate person's consciousness endures horrific punishment. The Culture is on the anti-Hell side, but not directly... at least at first...
14th Oct '16 12:08:26 PM SorPepita
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* BrainUploading: The main contention with the Virtual Hells. Two characters even copy their mindstates into the Hells to prove they exist, but fall in love during their time together. It becomes an issue when only one of the mindstates can be brought back and integrated with the real version of themselves. The copy left behind becomes it's own distinct being when it isn't brought back to the original.

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* BrainUploading: The main contention with the Virtual Hells. Two characters even copy their mindstates into the Hells to prove they exist, but fall in love during their time together. It becomes an issue when only one of the mindstates can be brought back and integrated with the real version of themselves. The copy left behind becomes it's its own distinct being when it isn't brought back to the original.
14th Oct '16 12:04:15 PM SorPepita
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* BrainUploading: The main contention with the Virtual Hells. Two characters even copy their mindstates into the Hell's to prove they exist, but fall in love during their time together. It becomes an issue when only one of the mindstates can be brought back and integrated with the real version of themselves. The copy left behind becomes it's own distinct being when it isn't brought back to the original.

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* BrainUploading: The main contention with the Virtual Hells. Two characters even copy their mindstates into the Hell's Hells to prove they exist, but fall in love during their time together. It becomes an issue when only one of the mindstates can be brought back and integrated with the real version of themselves. The copy left behind becomes it's own distinct being when it isn't brought back to the original.
19th Jul '16 11:35:09 AM Calandir
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* BrainUploading: The main contention with the Virtual Hells. Two characters even copy their mindstates into the Hell's to prove they exist, but fall in love during their time together. It becomes an issue when only one of the mindstates can be brought back and integrated with the real version of themselves. The copy left behind becomes it's own distinct being when it isn't brought back to the original.
19th Jul '16 11:29:16 AM Calandir
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* DistantFinale [[spoiler:Not in the novel itself, but it is a DistantFinale/resolution to ''Literature/UseOfWeapons''.]]

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* DistantFinale EarnYourHappyEnding: For several characters[[spoiler: but notable for being one of the few Culture novels to have an overwhelmingly happy ending. Lededje gets her revenge by proxy and then goes on to live a happy life in the Culture. The practice of virtual Hells becomes reviled throughout the galaxy after the incident at Vepper's mansion and gradually stops. The Pavuulien characters get their own happy endings, albeit in very different forms and in the very distant future. Furthermore, Vatueil is revealed to be at the end of an extremely long term one.]]
* DistantFinale:
[[spoiler:Not in the novel itself, but it is a DistantFinale/resolution to ''Literature/UseOfWeapons''.]]
19th Jul '16 11:22:08 AM Calandir
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* IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance: Veppers - CEO of a multiplanetary MegaCorp, owner of hunting estates the size of a small country, schemer, ruthless business mogul, and self-made man - is part of a conspiracy. [[spoiler:He's the fall guy. He's so far out of his depth that at one point when he tries to bypass all the machinations and just ''buy'' what he wants, an alien outright tells him that all his money is useless in the circles of the Involved, and he still doesn't get it.]]

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* IgnorantOfTheirOwnIgnorance: Veppers - CEO of a multiplanetary MegaCorp, owner of hunting estates the size of a small country, schemer, ruthless business mogul, and self-made man - is part of a conspiracy. [[spoiler:He's the fall guy. He's so far out of his depth that at one point when he tries to bypass all the machinations and just ''buy'' what he wants, an alien outright tells him that all his money is useless in the circles of the Involved, and he still doesn't get it.it]].
** [[spoiler:Subverted later when it turns out he does have one ace up his sleeve that even the higher level conspirators could do very little to leverage against without rumbling themselves. His plan would have still fallen through though, due to a combination of internal betrayal and the Culture giving Ledeje a license to kill him if he didn't come with them quietly.
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12th Jun '16 2:58:06 AM SorPepita
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* BadassBoast: From the ''The Falling Outside the Usual Moral Constraints'' through its avatar Demeisen: "Conscience can be a terrible thing. So I hear. Not if you're something like me of course. I don't give a fuck."

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* BadassBoast: From the ''The Falling Outside the Usual Moral Constraints'' through its avatar Demeisen: "Conscience can be a terrible thing. So I hear. Not if you're something like me me, of course. I don't give a fuck."



* BloodKnight: ''The Falling Outside the Usual Moral Constraints''. As one character comments the only reason it doesn't employ a tactic which end a particular battle far more quickly is because it's enjoying itself so much.

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* BloodKnight: ''The Falling Outside the Usual Moral Constraints''. As one character comments the only reason it doesn't employ a tactic which end ends a particular battle far more quickly is because it's enjoying itself so much.
9th Jun '16 12:12:57 AM Morgenthaler
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* [[spoiler:BodyguardCrush: Jasken is revealed to have been secretly in love with Lededje, but not enough to forsake his duty. Becomes a BodyguardBetrayal however when Lededje informs him that the powerful alien race that Veppers double-crossed knows about this and will kill him -- given that he's already disgusted over how his boss is saving his valuables at the expense of his employees, Jasken takes the flier to rescue them instead, leaving Veppers to Lededje's tender mercies.]]

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* [[spoiler:BodyguardCrush: Jasken BodyguardCrush: [[spoiler:Jasken is revealed to have been secretly in love with Lededje, but not enough to forsake his duty. Becomes a BodyguardBetrayal however when Lededje informs him that the powerful alien race that Veppers double-crossed knows about this and will kill him -- given that he's already disgusted over how his boss is saving his valuables at the expense of his employees, Jasken takes the flier to rescue them instead, leaving Veppers to Lededje's tender mercies.]]
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