History Literature / Reds

6th Dec '17 5:45:15 AM DoctorNemesis
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* SelfFulfillingProphecy: One of the in-universe historical texts frames the Second Civil War and the American socialist revolution in this way, suggesting that in declaring the election void and seizing power by force against the will of the people, [=MacArthur=] and the other coup leaders ended up creating the very socialist uprising and revolution that they were afraid would overthrow them in the first place.

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* SelfFulfillingProphecy: One of the in-universe historical texts frames the Second Civil War and the American socialist revolution in this way, suggesting that in declaring the election that brought the Socialist Party to power to be void and seizing power by force against the will of the people, [=MacArthur=] and the other coup leaders ended up creating the very socialist uprising and revolution that they were afraid would overthrow them in the first place.
24th Nov '17 10:52:13 AM nombretomado
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* HistoricalInJoke: Also used liberally. Bank robber John Dillinger becoming a national security agent is one of the most obvious examples, as is William F. Buckley, Jr. (one of America's foremost conservative thinkers) becoming an orthodox Marxist and J. Edgar Hoover (the commie-busting head of the {{FBI}}) switching allegiances to the new communist government in order to preserve and expand his power. And apparently in this world, it's nearly impossible to think of actor [[Creator/JohnWayne Marion Morrison]] being in a western.

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* HistoricalInJoke: Also used liberally. Bank robber John Dillinger becoming a national security agent is one of the most obvious examples, as is William F. Buckley, Jr. (one of America's foremost conservative thinkers) becoming an orthodox Marxist and J. Edgar Hoover (the commie-busting head of the {{FBI}}) UsefulNotes/{{FBI}}) switching allegiances to the new communist government in order to preserve and expand his power. And apparently in this world, it's nearly impossible to think of actor [[Creator/JohnWayne Marion Morrison]] being in a western.
19th Nov '17 7:25:29 PM redandready45
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* VillainousBreakdown: Salgado goes bonkers as the tide turns against him. At one point, he strangles one of his marshals to death ''in front of his staff'' [[YouHaveFailedMe for withholding important information]]. [[spoiler: When goes into another unhinged rant when he realizes one of his [[MistreatmentInducedBetrayal abused aides poisoned him]] ]].
31st Aug '17 10:16:32 AM HalcyonDayz
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* BetterToDieThanBeKilled: The Green Guard's most fanatical units decide that rather than face the justice of war crime trials in the days following Brazil's official surrender to the United nations and the restoration of the Empire they may as well die on their feet. This results in Salgado's most die hard fanatics to gather for one last charge, announcing their intention to attack the troops that were meant to accept their surrender with a final broadcast of "Death before Dishonor" and being killed to a man after a spectacular but unwinnable fight. It would almost be poetic if they weren't a StateSec fond of terror tactics, war crimes, and raping female POWs.

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* BetterToDieThanBeKilled: The Green Guard's most fanatical units decide that rather than face the justice of war crime trials in the days following Brazil's official surrender to the United nations and the restoration of the Empire they may as well die on their feet. This results in Salgado's most die hard fanatics to gather for one last charge, announcing their intention to attack the troops that were meant to accept their surrender with a final broadcast of "Death before Dishonor" and being killed to a man after a spectacular but unwinnable fight. It would almost be poetic if they weren't a StateSec fond of terror tactics, war crimes, and raping female POWs.[=POWs=].
30th Aug '17 8:23:56 AM TheRedStarRising
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* AcePilot: Mentioned and deconstructed somewhat, noting that the Nazis almost certainly lied about their ace pilots' kill counts, and the Nazi habit of keeping their ace pilots running sorties until they died instead of rotating them back out to train new recruits meant that Luftwaffe had a hard time maintaining the skill of its pilots in the face of attrition. It also meant that they wouldn't pass on their skills onto other pilots, making the air force perform worse overall.


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* CoolPlane: The Soviets largely use the same planes they did in our timeline, while the British use some different aircraft such as the Avro London heavy bomber. The Germans start the war with the usual Bf-109s, Stukas, and Ju-88s, but move onto more advanced TA-190s and unlike OTL; make use of a four engined strategic bomber known as the He-277 well regarded by all sides in the war. The American lineup is perhaps the most changed with aircraft like the F-35 Belladonna and the B-23 Superfortress (roughly equivalent to the B-29). The Italians and Japanese make their own entrees into the cool plane contest of course.
* CoolShip: The Enterprise, America's most decorated warship ever, also appears in this timeline albeit with some alterations. In terms of battleships, the Yamato, Fate, Il Duce, and Lion class battleships are probably the most grandiose expressions of this trope as the world's navies race to build the biggest and baddest ship they can.
** Deconstructed somewhat with the Bismarck, where its OTL design flaws that lead it to being several thousand tons heavier than the USS North Carolina class battleship while having less firepower and being less well defended from long ranged plunging fire are called to attention in an in-universe thread. More specifically, the German battleships are built around a "banded armor, turtleback" scheme where armour is generally spread across the ship while the Citadel (the most heavily armoured part of the ship meant to protect the vital components) was quite small and only guarded absolute essentials. America, Britain, and Japan however use "all or nothing", where the ship focuses on protecting the most vital areas (the belt, the citadel, and the deck) and only leaves the minimum for everything else to save weight. This means that shells striking nonvital parts of the ship will simply pass through, whereas the Bismarck had just enough armour to let shells arm and detonate after penetrating non-vital components. The Bismarck's armour scheme is excellent in close ranged naval combat like in the first world war, but because of the thin deck armour in particular and the small citadel not protecting a number of secondary components, is not well suited to protecting from long ranged, radar directed "plunging fire" where shells come in from a steep angle onto the top of the ship.
*** The effects of these are seen in the battle of Iceland between the American and German fleets where despite the Germans having a significant advantage in the number of capital ships, are crushed by the Americans in the gun battle. Bad design choices with regards to German aircraft carrier design also mean that despite having two carriers to America's three at the battle, the Americans had a three to one numerical advantage in number of planes.


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* ElitesAreMoreGlamorous: Heavily deconstructed, noting that most of the Waffen SS and the Green Guard do not actually live up to their reputations of being fearless badass storm troopers with only a handful of units actually being formidable enough to be considered "elites" instead of politically reliable paramilitary forces. The Green Guard in particular is rapidly wiped out in the final stage of the South American theatre, with whole corps being annihilated one after the other and most of its soldiers being noted to be "starved and beaten children and psychopaths".


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* TankGoodness: To be found in abundance in the timeline! Thanks to the lessons of the second American civil war and an earlier end to the great depression and earlier re-armament, tank design takes some divergences from our timeline and the vehicles used in Reds are generally a bit farther "ahead" than our timeline in terms of design. Reforms to the production systems of the Axis powers and western European investment into any possible allies against a red America as well as Soviet-American cooperation and investment into red latin America and China also mean that rather more thanks are produced in this timeline than in ours. Germany's notoriously inefficient flexible line production systems are replaced with modern ford style assembly lines able to roll out tanks by the tens of thousands to fight the more militarised British Empire and its allies to the west and the Comintern to the East while Italian, Swedish, British, Japanese, and French tank programs make more progress than in our timeline. Perhaps the most grandiose statements of this revealed so far are the Panzer 100 Smilodon, the TD-21 Spartacus, the Vladimir Lenin 3, and the Chamberlain heavy tank.
** In the cold war, by the mid 2010s the Franco-British union unveils its newest "advanced" battle tank, the Champion; a tank weighing over one hundred tons with a seven inch caliber gun and an engine with 3000 or so horsepower. Yikes!
30th Aug '17 7:53:11 AM TheRedStarRising
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*** ''True Democrats'': the designated traitor party. The drain trap that catches everything that won't accomodate to the revolution, becoming the mirror image of Western communist parties in our world.
*** ''The Democratic-Republican Party'': The resident mainstream right-wing party, although mostly center-left in Real Life. It's a catchall for the progressive political center- they approach socialism from a mutualist [[note]]an anarchist school of thought which advocates a market-based alternative to capitalism based around workers' associations (cooperatives)[[/note]] perspective. They favor markets and limited property relations. UsefulNotes/RonPaul serves Secretary-General (chief of staff and second-in-command). Think a communist American version of IRL libertarians.
*** ''Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party'': the former left-wing of the Democratic Party, they approach socialism from a christian perspective, and are largely left-wing nationalists.
*** ''Communist Labor Party'': the former center and right-wing of the Workers' Party, they place a greater emphasis on Marxism, support a more statist economy and are largely centrist on social issues.
*** ''Liberation Party'': the left-wing splinter from the Workers' Party, founded as [[Main/EarlyInstallmentWeirdness Liberation Communist Party]]. They're Left Communists [[note]]a term refering to communist that hold views to the left of Bolsheviks, usually of an anarcho-communist and internationalist position[[/note]] who want to push foward the world revolution and have a strong libertine streak.
*** ''Social Ecological Union'': Greens, with libertarian marxist and social anarchist wings. The Champions of environmental diversity and stability, the SEU qualifies as far-left by any standard and generally supports full worker control over the economy, . Party leader Alix Olson is the current Premier of the US.

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*** ''True Democrats'': the designated traitor party. The drain trap that catches everything that won't accomodate accommodate to the revolution, becoming the mirror image of Western communist parties in our world and are similarly weak on the national level. Their politics would be considered somewhere around the progressive wing of the real world's American Democratic party. Ironically, Bernie Sanders would fit into this party if he were running on a platform similar to what he ran on in 2016. In terms of foreign policy they tend to lean pacifist; favouring detente with the Capitalist world.
*** ''The Democratic-Republican Party'': The resident mainstream right-wing party, although mostly center-left in Real Life.still certainly very radical by real life standards and considered centre-left by the Capitalist world. It's a catchall for the progressive political center- they approach socialism from a mutualist [[note]]an anarchist school of thought which advocates a market-based alternative to capitalism based around workers' associations (cooperatives)[[/note]] perspective. They favor favour markets and limited property relations. UsefulNotes/RonPaul serves Secretary-General (chief of staff and second-in-command). Think a communist American version of IRL libertarians. \n As far as foreign policy is concerned, they're one of the most pacifistic parties.
*** ''Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party'': the former left-wing of the Democratic Party, they approach socialism from a christian perspective, and are largely left-wing nationalists.
nationalists. They embrace a leftist version of American exceptionalism and fit in between the CLP and the LP with regards to their approach to how centralised economic planning should be and between those two and the DRP with regards to the approach to the market. In terms of foreign policy the DFLP is a somewhat militant party, advocating for a confrontation with the Capitalist world and supporting America's allies.
*** ''Communist Labor Party'': the former center and right-wing of the Workers' Party, they place a greater emphasis on Marxism, support a more statist centrally planned economy and are largely centrist on social issues.
issues. They generally advocate for the most state presence and involvement out of any of the parties in the Union of American Socialist Republics and have the strongest "authoritarian" streak, though certainly less so than the CPSU or CPC in our time line. Out of the two largest parties in American politics, they're the most comparable to the Republican party in our timeline, and "neoconservatism" is even used to refer to their policies. Most particularly their highly belligerent and militant foreign policy for confronting the Capitalist world and backing leftist governments and revolutionaries across the world.
*** ''Liberation Party'': the left-wing splinter from the Workers' Party, founded as [[Main/EarlyInstallmentWeirdness Liberation Communist Party]]. They're Left Communists [[note]]a term refering to communist that hold views to the left of Bolsheviks, in our timeline usually referring to Bordigists but in this timeline referring more often to a mix of an anarcho-communist the ideals of Daniel DeLeon and internationalist position[[/note]] Rosa Luxemburg[[/note]] who want to push foward the world revolution and have a strong libertine streak.
streak. They favour a decentralised, democratic structure for planning the economy and abolishing wage labour and commodity value and are in favour of more localised structures of government and administration. In terms of foreign policy, they're only somewhat less hawkish than the Communist Labor party and also advocate for trying to bring an end to the Capitalist bloc and supporting foreign allies and revolutions.
*** ''Social Ecological Union'': Greens, with libertarian marxist and social anarchist wings. The Champions of environmental diversity and stability, the SEU qualifies as far-left by any standard and generally supports full worker control over the economy, . Party leader Alix Olson is the current Premier of the US.Union of American Socialist Republics. In terms of foreign policy, they are perhaps the most pacifistic of any of the major parties, advocating for a reduction in armaments and the seeking of detente with the Capitalist bloc to let its problems bring about their end on their own. They are noted to have some issues with an abnormally high acceptance of pseudoscientific woo among their ranks and lax party discipline.
30th Aug '17 7:39:29 AM TheRedStarRising
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* HistoricalVillainDowngrade: Stalin ATL is portrayed as very authoritarian, but not paranoid mass murder he was OTL.

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* HistoricalVillainDowngrade: Stalin ATL is portrayed as very authoritarian, but not paranoid mass murder to the degree he was OTL. in our timeline. A lot of this comes from the conditions that prompted the rise of high Stalinism in the USSR never arising due to the Soviet Union no longer being isolated and having a more powerful Socialist country than itself to account for in its actions.
26th Aug '17 10:13:45 PM redandready45
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* HistoricalVillainDowngrade: Stalin ATL is portrayed as very authoritarian, but not paranoid mass murder he was OTL.
16th Jul '17 11:54:19 AM nombretomado
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*** ''People's Alliance/Alliance Populaire'': the party of perpetual government in the post-WW2 era, formed in 1949 from the ad hoc alliance between the British Conservative Party and the French Rally of Popular Republicans. The People's Alliance has constructed the economy along corporatist lines, establishing pro-business "patriotic unions" and doling out patronage through a sophisticated system of state capitalism to ensure social stability. On social issues, they've hold back women, minority and LGBT movements and only making reforms opportunistically.

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*** ''People's Alliance/Alliance Populaire'': the party of perpetual government in the post-WW2 post-[=WW2=] era, formed in 1949 from the ad hoc alliance between the British Conservative Party and the French Rally of Popular Republicans. The People's Alliance has constructed the economy along corporatist lines, establishing pro-business "patriotic unions" and doling out patronage through a sophisticated system of state capitalism to ensure social stability. On social issues, they've hold back women, minority and LGBT movements and only making reforms opportunistically.



* OneFederationLimit: Defied. In the post-WW2 world, the three superpowers are the Franco-British Union, the Union of American Socialist Republics, and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. And that's just the three top dogs.

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* OneFederationLimit: Defied. In the post-WW2 post-[=WW2=] world, the three superpowers are the Franco-British Union, the Union of American Socialist Republics, and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. And that's just the three top dogs.
28th Jun '17 8:41:55 AM YosAgni
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*ShoutOut: An in-universe TL was titled [[{{MaleRising}} Mande Rising.]]
** The UASR could arguably be one to TheCulture.



* TheRightfulKingReturns: The return of the Brazilian Emperors to Brazil is a surprisingly straight example of this as Dom Pedro Henrique's entrance to Brazil is used to finish off the Integralist regime by providing a figurehead for the country to rally around in the face of the Brazilian republican right wing having faced disgrace and defeat under Salgado's insanity. By all accounts, Brazil is a prosperous and burgeoning country significantly more successful than its OTL counterpart and is generally either considered a superpower or a country on the verge of becoming one. The FBU re-installing the Hohenzollern Kaiser to Germany as well as the assorted lesser German nobility and royalty is portrayed as this in the Capitalist sphere, but the German Monarchy is a significantly more contentious institution than Brazil's.

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* TheRightfulKingReturns: RightfulKingReturns: The return of the Brazilian Emperors to Brazil is a surprisingly straight example of this as Dom Pedro Henrique's entrance to Brazil is used to finish off the Integralist regime by providing a figurehead for the country to rally around in the face of the Brazilian republican right wing having faced disgrace and defeat under Salgado's insanity. By all accounts, Brazil is a prosperous and burgeoning country significantly more successful than its OTL counterpart and is generally either considered a superpower or a country on the verge of becoming one. The FBU re-installing the Hohenzollern Kaiser to Germany as well as the assorted lesser German nobility and royalty is portrayed as this in the Capitalist sphere, but the German Monarchy is a significantly more contentious institution than Brazil's.



* WeAREStrugglingTogether: Subverted; both during the Civil War and the Cultural Revolution, the American socialist system's greater flexibility in dealing with ideological differences (both within the socialist parties themselves and in allowing the inclusion of right-leaning Democrats and Republicans who opposed the Junta into the political process) ultimately proves more durable than the Soviet system's rigid ideological inflexibility. Played straight with the relationship between the Soviet Union and the UASR, who despite both being socialist end up in a Cold War with each other anyway.

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* WeAREStrugglingTogether: Subverted; both during the Civil War and the Cultural Revolution, the American socialist system's greater flexibility in dealing with ideological differences (both within the socialist parties themselves and in allowing the inclusion of right-leaning Democrats and Republicans who opposed the Junta into the political process) ultimately proves more durable than the Soviet system's rigid ideological inflexibility. Played straight with the relationship between the Soviet Union and the UASR, who despite both being socialist end up in a Cold War with each other anyway.
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