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** From Stefen's generation: Young Medren is basically young Vanyel plus a Bardic gift and minus the homosexuality, and frequently refers to "young Meke", who is probably his oldest half-brother. One of Mekeal's daughters is mentionned to have been Chosen. This actually gets discussed for Treven and Jisa, due to the fact that they can't be sure Treven won't develop the same health problems as Randale and it's known that Jisa will become King's own when her mother dies.
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** From Stefen's generation: Young Medren is basically young Vanyel plus a Bardic gift and minus the homosexuality, and frequently refers to "young Meke", who is probably his oldest half-brother. One of Mekeal's daughters is mentionned to have been Chosen. This actually gets discussed for Treven and Jisa, due to the fact that they can't be sure Treven won't develop the same health problems as Randale and it's known that Jisa will become King's own when her mother dies.Shavri dies.
** The narration in ''Magic's Pawn'' mentions the Ashkevron family manages to produce "one strong-willed woman per generation". These women have seemingly been in order: Vanyel's Grandmother, Savil, Lissa and presumably Ariel (Mekeal's daughter that has been Chosen when ''Magic's Price'' starts).
** The narration in ''Magic's Pawn'' mentions the Ashkevron family manages to produce "one strong-willed woman per generation". These women have seemingly been in order: Vanyel's Grandmother, Savil, Lissa and presumably Ariel (Mekeal's daughter that has been Chosen when ''Magic's Price'' starts).
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* [[HasTwoMommies HasTwoDaddies]]: Brightstar and the barely-mentionned child Vanyel sired between ''Magic's Promise'' and ''Magic's Price''.
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* [[HasTwoMommies HasTwoDaddies]]: Has Two Daddies]]: Brightstar and the barely-mentionned child Vanyel sired between ''Magic's Promise'' and ''Magic's Price''.
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Reminder: Stefen is the reincarantion, Staven is the twin brother.
* [[HasTwoMommies HasTwoDaddies]]: Brightstar and the barely-mentionned child Vanyel sired between ''Magic's Promise'' and ''Magic's Price''.
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* MindlinkMates: Vanyel and Tylendel; Vanyel and Stefen; Donnic and Mardi; Randale and Shavri. The trilogy's term for this phenomenon is "lifebonding".
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* MindlinkMates: Vanyel and Tylendel; Vanyel and Stefen; Donnic Donni and Mardi; Mardic; Starwind and Moondance; Randale and Shavri.Shavri; Treven and Jisa. The trilogy's term for this phenomenon is "lifebonding".
* OddlyCommonRarity: This trilogy is the record holder for the number of [(MindlinkMates lifebonds]].
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* RapeAndRevenge: Staven interrupts Vanyel while he's dishing out the second part.
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* RapeAndRevenge: Staven Stefen interrupts Vanyel while he's dishing out the second part.
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* GenerationXerox: Mekeal looks almost exactly like Withen, while Lissa is pretty much a copy of her aunt Savil in her youth.
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* GenerationXerox: GenerationXerox:
** From Vanyel's generation: Mekeal looks almost exactly like Withen, while Lissa is pretty much a copy of her aunt Savil in heryouth.youth.
** From Stefen's generation: Young Medren is basically young Vanyel plus a Bardic gift and minus the homosexuality, and frequently refers to "young Meke", who is probably his oldest half-brother. One of Mekeal's daughters is mentionned to have been Chosen. This actually gets discussed for Treven and Jisa, due to the fact that they can't be sure Treven won't develop the same health problems as Randale and it's known that Jisa will become King's own when her mother dies.
** From Vanyel's generation: Mekeal looks almost exactly like Withen, while Lissa is pretty much a copy of her aunt Savil in her
** From Stefen's generation: Young Medren is basically young Vanyel plus a Bardic gift and minus the homosexuality, and frequently refers to "young Meke", who is probably his oldest half-brother. One of Mekeal's daughters is mentionned to have been Chosen. This actually gets discussed for Treven and Jisa, due to the fact that they can't be sure Treven won't develop the same health problems as Randale and it's known that Jisa will become King's own when her mother dies.
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Averted is when you could expect it in context but it doesn\'t happen. Subverted is when is looks like it\'s happening, then turns out to not be true.
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* AllGaysArePedophiles: Subverted repeatedly throughout ''Magic's Promise'', as people keep expecting Vanyel to hit on minors, including his own twelve-year-old nephew, and he keeps explaining that ''no''.
* AllGaysArePromiscuous: Also subverted, as people assume Vanyel has an undending stream of male groupies. In reality, he notes that "Savil sees more action in bed than I do."
* AllGaysArePromiscuous: Also subverted, as people assume Vanyel has an undending stream of male groupies. In reality, he notes that "Savil sees more action in bed than I do."
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* AllGaysArePedophiles: Subverted Averted and discussed repeatedly throughout ''Magic's Promise'', as people keep expecting Vanyel to hit on minors, including his own twelve-year-old nephew, and he keeps explaining that ''no''.
he's not interested.
* AllGaysArePromiscuous:Also subverted, Subverted, as people assume Vanyel has an undending stream of male groupies. In reality, he notes that "Savil sees more action in bed than I do."
* AllGaysArePromiscuous:
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* AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence: When they die, Vanyel, Yfandes and Stefan [[spoiler: become the eternal guardians of the Forest of Sorrows]].
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* AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence: When they die, Vanyel, Yfandes and Stefan Stefen [[spoiler: become the eternal guardians of the Forest of Sorrows]].
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* CelibateHero: Vanyel, from a few months before ''Magic's Promise'' begins until he gets together with Stefan in ''Magic's Price''.
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* CelibateHero: Vanyel, from a few months before ''Magic's Promise'' begins until he gets together with Stefan Stefen in ''Magic's Price''.
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* DefiledForever: Averted twice. First, Stefan thinks Vanyel doesn't want him because he knows of Stefan's [[ReallyGetsAround extensive]] sexual history, but he's wrong-- Vanyel just hadn't realized how serious Stefan was about him. Later, Stefan sees Vanyel's rapists escaping a burning building and muses that "they didn't matter. What mattered was Van."
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* DefiledForever: Averted twice. First, Stefan Stefen thinks Vanyel doesn't want him because he knows of Stefan's Stefen's [[ReallyGetsAround extensive]] sexual history, but he's wrong-- Vanyel just hadn't realized how serious Stefan Stefen was about him. Later, Stefan Stefen sees Vanyel's rapists escaping a burning building and muses that "they didn't matter. What mattered was Van."
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* DoubleStandard: Deveran Remoerdis, the king of Bairnes, made sure his queen never had a chance to be alone with a man, due to his obsession with paternity. In Valdemar, Vanyel tells Withen "I know good and well you've been with women other than Mother" and doesn't seem to regard it as dysfunctional, but also tells Stefan that he doesn't think Treesa would cheat on Withen because "I think she truly loves Father, in her own way".
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* DoubleStandard: Deveran Remoerdis, the king of Bairnes, made sure his queen never had a chance to be alone with a man, due to his obsession with paternity. In Valdemar, Vanyel tells Withen "I know good and well you've been with women other than Mother" and doesn't seem to regard it as dysfunctional, but also tells Stefan Stefen that he doesn't think Treesa would cheat on Withen because "I think she truly loves Father, in her own way".
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* DrivenToSuicide: Tylendel throws himself off a chapel roof out of his guilt regarding Gala's death in ''Magic's Pawn''; Vanyel makes two failed attempts to follow him. In ''Magic's Price'', after Vanyel's HeroicSacrifice defeating Leareth, Stefan is about to poison himself, [[spoiler: but Vanyel's ghost stops him]].
* EarnYourHappyEnding: Stefan decades working for the right to spend eternity with Vanyel [[spoiler: in the Forest of Sorrows]].
* EarnYourHappyEnding: Stefan decades working for the right to spend eternity with Vanyel [[spoiler: in the Forest of Sorrows]].
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* DrivenToSuicide: Tylendel throws himself off a chapel roof out of his guilt regarding Gala's death in ''Magic's Pawn''; Vanyel makes two failed attempts to follow him. In ''Magic's Price'', after Vanyel's HeroicSacrifice defeating Leareth, Stefan Stefen is about to poison himself, [[spoiler: but Vanyel's ghost stops him]].
* EarnYourHappyEnding:Stefan Stefen spends decades working for the right to spend eternity with Vanyel [[spoiler: in the Forest of Sorrows]].
* EarnYourHappyEnding:
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* HeelRealization: Jaysen in ''Magic's Pawn'', when he realizes that he really ''doesn't'' want to be the kind of guy who drives angsty teenagers to suicide; later Vanyel, after realizing how badly his drive for revenge has led him to treat Stefan.
* HeroicBastard: While Medren doesn't really have the skill set to go around [[{{Badass}} kicking ass]], he certainly averts the BastardBastard stereotype by being a loving nephew to Vanyel and a good friend to Stefan.
* HeroicBastard: While Medren doesn't really have the skill set to go around [[{{Badass}} kicking ass]], he certainly averts the BastardBastard stereotype by being a loving nephew to Vanyel and a good friend to Stefan.
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* HeelRealization: Jaysen in ''Magic's Pawn'', when he realizes that he really ''doesn't'' want to be the kind of guy who drives angsty teenagers to suicide; later Vanyel, after realizing how badly his drive for revenge has led him to treat Stefan.
Stefen.
* HeroicBastard: While Medren doesn't really have the skill set to go around [[{{Badass}} kicking ass]], he certainly averts the BastardBastard stereotype by being a loving nephew to Vanyel and a good friend toStefan.Stefen.
* HeroicBastard: While Medren doesn't really have the skill set to go around [[{{Badass}} kicking ass]], he certainly averts the BastardBastard stereotype by being a loving nephew to Vanyel and a good friend to
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* IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim: Stefan convinces Vanyel of this with regard to the men who had kidnapped and raped the latter.
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* IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim: Stefan Stefen convinces Vanyel of this with regard to the men who had kidnapped and raped the latter.
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* InterruptedSuicide: Vanyel, twice, in ''Magic's Pawn'', and Stefan in ''Magic's Price''. Both cases resulted from grief at the death of a [[MindlinkMates lifebonded lover]].
* ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies: Why Vanyel considers breaking up with Stefan. Yfandes talks him out of it.
* ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies: Why Vanyel considers breaking up with Stefan. Yfandes talks him out of it.
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* InterruptedSuicide: Vanyel, twice, in ''Magic's Pawn'', and Stefan Stefen in ''Magic's Price''. Both cases resulted from grief at the death of a [[MindlinkMates lifebonded lover]].
* ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies: Why Vanyel considers breaking up withStefan.Stefen. Yfandes talks him out of it.
* ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies: Why Vanyel considers breaking up with
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* KickTheDog: Withen's letting Jervis break Vanyel's arm. Vanyel's coldness toward Stefan while out for revenge against [[spoiler: Savil's killer]]. An outlaw gang's decision to take turns raping a helpless captive. Maybe even Vanyel's use of a magically-altered bird to gain revenge on Leareth. There aren't a lot of perfect characters in these books.
* KickTheMoralityPet: Poor Stefan, dealing with a vengeance-obsessed Vanyel in ''Magic's Price''. Luckily, Van comes around before he completes his FaceHeelTurn.
* KnightInSourArmor: When Vanyel arrives in Haven, Savil saves him from his fathers' minions' bullying but also tells him, "You're an imposition. It's your job to see you become less of one." Yfandes also comes across as this, at least in her conversations with Stefan.
* KickTheMoralityPet: Poor Stefan, dealing with a vengeance-obsessed Vanyel in ''Magic's Price''. Luckily, Van comes around before he completes his FaceHeelTurn.
* KnightInSourArmor: When Vanyel arrives in Haven, Savil saves him from his fathers' minions' bullying but also tells him, "You're an imposition. It's your job to see you become less of one." Yfandes also comes across as this, at least in her conversations with Stefan.
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* KickTheDog: Withen's letting Jervis break Vanyel's arm. Vanyel's coldness toward Stefan Stefen while out for revenge against [[spoiler: Savil's killer]]. An outlaw gang's decision to take turns raping a helpless captive. Maybe even Vanyel's use of a magically-altered bird to gain revenge on Leareth. There aren't a lot of perfect characters in these books.
* KickTheMoralityPet: PoorStefan, Stefen, dealing with a vengeance-obsessed Vanyel in ''Magic's Price''. Luckily, Van comes around before he completes his FaceHeelTurn.
* KnightInSourArmor: When Vanyel arrives in Haven, Savil saves him from hisfathers' father's minions' bullying but also tells him, "You're an imposition. It's your job to see you become less of one." Yfandes also comes across as this, at least in her conversations with Stefan.Stefen.
* KickTheMoralityPet: Poor
* KnightInSourArmor: When Vanyel arrives in Haven, Savil saves him from his
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* TheLostLenore: Vanyel doesn't heal from Tylendel's death until the latter returns to him as [[spoiler: Stephan]], around eighteen years later.
* LoverAndBeloved: Played with. Savil says that confident, experienced Tylendel was the leader and Vanyel the follower in their relationship, although they don't have the age difference generally associated with this trope. By contrast, Vanyel is nearly twice Stefan's age, but seems not to have any more confidence or sexual experience than the younger man.
* LoverAndBeloved: Played with. Savil says that confident, experienced Tylendel was the leader and Vanyel the follower in their relationship, although they don't have the age difference generally associated with this trope. By contrast, Vanyel is nearly twice Stefan's age, but seems not to have any more confidence or sexual experience than the younger man.
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* TheLostLenore: Vanyel doesn't heal from Tylendel's death until the latter returns to him as [[spoiler: Stephan]], Stefen]], around eighteen years later.
* LoverAndBeloved: Played with. Savil says that confident, experienced Tylendel was the leader and Vanyel the follower in their relationship, although they don't have the age difference generally associated with this trope. By contrast, Vanyel is nearly twiceStefan's Stefen's age, but seems not to have any more confidence or sexual experience than the younger man.
* LoverAndBeloved: Played with. Savil says that confident, experienced Tylendel was the leader and Vanyel the follower in their relationship, although they don't have the age difference generally associated with this trope. By contrast, Vanyel is nearly twice
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* MindlinkMates: Vanyel and Tylendel; Vanyel and Stefan; Donnic and Mardi; Randale and Shavri. The trilogy's term for this phenomenon is "lifebonding".
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* MindlinkMates: Vanyel and Tylendel; Vanyel and Stefan; Stefen; Donnic and Mardi; Randale and Shavri. The trilogy's term for this phenomenon is "lifebonding".
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* PrettyBoy: Vanyel, Stefan, and Medren.
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* PrettyBoy: Vanyel, Stefan, Stefen, and Medren.
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* ReallyGetsAround: Stefan, prior to falling for Vanyel.
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* ReallyGetsAround: Stefan, Stefen, prior to falling for Vanyel.
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* ReincarnationRomance: Tylendel is reincarnated as [[spoiler: Stefan, allowing him and Vanyel to renew their lifebond]].
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* ReincarnationRomance: Tylendel is reincarnated as [[spoiler: Stefan, Stefen, allowing him and Vanyel to renew their lifebond]].
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* ShipperOnDeck: Medren sets up Vanyel and Stefan.
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* ShipperOnDeck: Medren sets up Vanyel and Stefan.Stefen.
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* TheTwink: Early!Vanyel and Stefan.
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* TheTwink: Early!Vanyel and Stefan.Stefen.
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* WhatTheHellHero: Stefan gives this to Vanyel a lot, usually when Vanyel has just been snippy with him, but on one occassion when he finds Vanyel in the middle of slaughtering a gang of outlaws.
* WillTheyOrWontThey: Due to the age difference and the fact that [[ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies people close to Vanyel become targets]], it takes a while for him and Stefan to consummate their love.
* WillTheyOrWontThey: Due to the age difference and the fact that [[ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies people close to Vanyel become targets]], it takes a while for him and Stefan to consummate their love.
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* WhatTheHellHero: Stefan Stefen gives this to Vanyel a lot, usually when Vanyel has just been snippy with him, but on one occassion occasion when he finds Vanyel in the middle of slaughtering a gang of outlaws.
* WillTheyOrWontThey: Due to the age difference and the fact that [[ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies people close to Vanyel become targets]], it takes a while for him andStefan Stefen to consummate their love.
* WillTheyOrWontThey: Due to the age difference and the fact that [[ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies people close to Vanyel become targets]], it takes a while for him and
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* AdultsAreUseless: They get almost nothing right in the first three-quarters of ''Magic's Pawn''. Among their many failures: the armsmaster breaking Vanyel's arm in a fit of rage; Withen's father supporting the armsmaster breaking Vanyel's arm in a fit of rage; Savil not bothering to have her already fanatical charge Tylendel sent to a Mind Healer after a longtime enemy kills his [[TwinTelepathy telepathically-linked brother]]; nobody bothering to ask questions or even get a blanket after Vanyel witnesses a horrific supernatural slaughter ''and'' the suicide of his [[MindlinkMates mind-linked lover]]; and, after Vanyel's first suicide attempt resulting from aforesaid experience, Jaysen falling asleep while on watch to keep him from trying it again.
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** Vanyel's mother encourages his artistic and effeminate qualities in order to indulge her own yen for courtly love, treating him like a plaything; his father, meanwhile, is a narrow-minded homophobe who neither understands him nor makes any effort to, instead pushing his armsmaster to "make a man" of him by any means necessary. Armsmaster Jervis, who later admits to having known better, lets his loyalty and sense of indebtedness to Withen and his own frustration with Vanyel's bratty behavior drive him to bully the boy until he actually breaks Van's arm in a fit of
** The Collegium does no better. Savil
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* AttemptedSuicide: Vanyel, twice, in ''Magic's Pawn'', and Stefan in ''Magic's Price''. Both cases resulted from grief at the death of a [[MindlinkMates lifebonded lover]].
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* InterruptedSuicide: Vanyel, twice, in ''Magic's Pawn'', and Stefan in ''Magic's Price''. Both cases resulted from grief at the death of a [[MindlinkMates lifebonded lover]].
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* AdultsAreUseless: They get almost nothing right in the first three-quarters of ''Magic's Pawn''.
** Vanyel's mother encourages his artistic and effeminate qualities in order to indulge her own yen for courtly love, treating him like a plaything; his father, meanwhile, is a narrow-minded homophobe who neither understands him nor makes any effort to, instead pushing his armsmaster to "make a man" of him by any means necessary. Armsmaster Jervis, who later admits to having known better, lets his loyalty and sense of indebtedness to Withen and his own frustration with Vanyel's bratty behavior drive him to bully the boy until he actually breaks Van's arm in a fit of rage - and even after this, Withen still takes Jervis's side rather than his son's.
** The Collegium does no better. Savil knows that Tylendel isn't rational where his family is concerned, but still doesn't think to have him see a [=MindHealer=] after his [[TwinTelepathy telepathically-linked twin brother]] is murdered by their longtime enemy. After Tylendel's suicide, there's not a single person around who isn't too wrapped up in their grief and horror over Tylendel's death to spare any concern for Vanyel, who's just witnessed a horrific supernatural slaughter and the suicide of his [[MindlinkMates mind-linked lover]]. Nor does anyone pause to consider the possible consequences of the fact that Vanyel has suddenly developed powerful mind-reading abilities which he has no control over, making him all too sensitive to the resentment of the people around him who didn't know his "feud" with Tylendel was a cover for their relationship and resent the fact that he's alive and Tylendel's dead. And even after this leads to Vanyel's first suicide attempt, Jaysen falls asleep while on watch to keep him from trying it again.
** Vanyel's mother encourages his artistic and effeminate qualities in order to indulge her own yen for courtly love, treating him like a plaything; his father, meanwhile, is a narrow-minded homophobe who neither understands him nor makes any effort to, instead pushing his armsmaster to "make a man" of him by any means necessary. Armsmaster Jervis, who later admits to having known better, lets his loyalty and sense of indebtedness to Withen and his own frustration with Vanyel's bratty behavior drive him to bully the boy until he actually breaks Van's arm in a fit of rage - and even after this, Withen still takes Jervis's side rather than his son's.
** The Collegium does no better. Savil knows that Tylendel isn't rational where his family is concerned, but still doesn't think to have him see a [=MindHealer=] after his [[TwinTelepathy telepathically-linked twin brother]] is murdered by their longtime enemy. After Tylendel's suicide, there's not a single person around who isn't too wrapped up in their grief and horror over Tylendel's death to spare any concern for Vanyel, who's just witnessed a horrific supernatural slaughter and the suicide of his [[MindlinkMates mind-linked lover]]. Nor does anyone pause to consider the possible consequences of the fact that Vanyel has suddenly developed powerful mind-reading abilities which he has no control over, making him all too sensitive to the resentment of the people around him who didn't know his "feud" with Tylendel was a cover for their relationship and resent the fact that he's alive and Tylendel's dead. And even after this leads to Vanyel's first suicide attempt, Jaysen falls asleep while on watch to keep him from trying it again.
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* AdultsAreUseless: They get almost nothing right in the first three-quarters of ''Magic's Pawn''. \n** Among their many failures: the armsmaster breaking Vanyel's mother encourages his artistic and effeminate qualities in order to indulge her own yen for courtly love, treating him like a plaything; his father, meanwhile, is a narrow-minded homophobe who neither understands him nor makes any effort to, instead pushing his armsmaster to "make a man" of him by any means necessary. Armsmaster Jervis, who later admits to having known better, lets his loyalty and sense of indebtedness to Withen and his own frustration with Vanyel's bratty behavior drive him to bully the boy until he actually breaks Van's arm in a fit of rage - and even after this, Withen still takes Jervis's side rather than his son's.
** The Collegium does no better.rage; Withen's father supporting the armsmaster breaking Vanyel's arm in a fit of rage; Savil knows that not bothering to have her already fanatical charge Tylendel isn't rational where his family is concerned, but still doesn't think sent to have him see a [=MindHealer=] Mind Healer after a longtime enemy kills his [[TwinTelepathy telepathically-linked twin brother]] is murdered by their longtime enemy. After Tylendel's suicide, there's not a single person around who isn't too wrapped up in their grief and horror over Tylendel's death brother]]; nobody bothering to spare any concern for Vanyel, who's just witnessed ask questions or even get a blanket after Vanyel witnesses a horrific supernatural slaughter and ''and'' the suicide of his [[MindlinkMates mind-linked lover]]. Nor does anyone pause to consider the possible consequences of the fact that Vanyel has suddenly developed powerful mind-reading abilities which he has no control over, making him all too sensitive to the resentment of the people around him who didn't know his "feud" with Tylendel was a cover for their relationship and resent the fact that he's alive and Tylendel's dead. And even lover]]; and, after this leads to Vanyel's first suicide attempt, attempt resulting from aforesaid experience, Jaysen falls falling asleep while on watch to keep him from trying it again.
** The Collegium does no better.
* AttemptedSuicide: Vanyel, twice, in ''Magic's Pawn'', and Stefan in ''Magic's Price''. Both cases resulted from grief at the death of a [[MindlinkMates lifebonded lover]].
* DoubleStandard: Deveran Remoerdis, the king of Bairnes, made sure his queen never had a chance to be alone with a man, due to his obsession with paternity. In Valdemar, Vanyel tells Withen "I know good and well you've been with women other than Mother" and doesn't seem to regard it as dysfunctional, but also tells Stefan that he doesn't think Treesa would cheat on Withen because "I think she truly loves Father, in her own way".
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* DrivenToSuicide: Vanyel, after he endures Tylendel's death, the opening of his channels, and the awareness that most of the Heralds would be just as happy if he had died too.
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* DrivenToSuicide: Vanyel, after he endures Tylendel's death, the opening Tylendel throws himself off a chapel roof out of his channels, and the awareness that most of the Heralds would be just as happy if he had died too.guilt regarding Gala's death in ''Magic's Pawn''; Vanyel makes two failed attempts to follow him. In ''Magic's Price'', after Vanyel's HeroicSacrifice defeating Leareth, Stefan is about to poison himself, [[spoiler: but Vanyel's ghost stops him]].
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* HystericalWoman: Treesa seems to actually take pride in embodying this trope.
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* HystericalWoman: Treesa actually seems to actually take pride in embodying this trope.
* ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies: Why Vanyel considers breaking up with Stefan. Yfandes talks him out of it.
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* KnightInSourArmor: When Vanyel arrives in Haven, Savil saves him from his fathers' minions' bullying but also tells him, "You're an imposition. It's your job to see you become less of one."
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* KnightInSourArmor: When Vanyel arrives in Haven, Savil saves him from his fathers' minions' bullying but also tells him, "You're an imposition. It's your job to see you become less of one."" Yfandes also comes across as this, at least in her conversations with Stefan.
* TheLostLenore: Vanyel doesn't heal from Tylendel's death until the latter returns to him as [[spoiler: Stephan]], around eighteen years later.
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* MindlinkMates: Vanyel and Tylendel; Vanyel and Stefan; Donnic and Mardi; Randale and Shavri.
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* MindlinkMates: Vanyel and Tylendel; Vanyel and Stefan; Donnic and Mardi; Randale and Shavri. The trilogy's term for this phenomenon is "lifebonding".
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* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Savil, Lissa, and Vanyel deliver a relay version of this to Withen after he shows up to berate Vanyel for his homosexuality in ''Magic's Pawn''.
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* WelcomeToTheBigCity: Treesa has a hard time adjusting to life at Haven in ''Magic's Price''.
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* AdultsAreUseless: They get almost nothing right in the first three-quarters of ''Magic's Pawn''. Among their many failures: the armsmaster breaking Vanyel's arm in a fit of rage; Withen's father supporting the armsmaster breaking Vanyel's arm in a fit of rage; Savil not bothering to have her already fanatical charge Tylendel sent to a Mind Healer after a longtime enemy kills his [[TwinTelepathy telepathically-linked brother]]; nobody bothering to ask questions or even get a blanket after Vanyel witnesses a horrific supernatural slaughter ''and'' the suicide of his [[MindlinkMates mind-linked lover]]; and, after Vanyel's first suicide attempt resulting from aforesaid experience, Jaysen falling asleep while on watch to keep him from trying it again.
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* AdultsAreUseless: They get almost nothing right in the first three-quarters of ''Magic's Pawn''. Among their many failures: the armsmaster breaking
** Vanyel's mother encourages his artistic and effeminate qualities in order to indulge her own yen for courtly love, treating him like a plaything; his father, meanwhile, is a narrow-minded homophobe who neither understands him nor makes any effort to, instead pushing his armsmaster to "make a man" of him by any means necessary. Armsmaster Jervis, who later admits to having known better, lets his loyalty and sense of indebtedness to Withen and his own frustration with Vanyel's bratty behavior drive him to bully the boy until he actually breaks Van's arm in a fit ofrage; Withen's father supporting the armsmaster breaking Vanyel's arm in a fit of rage; rage - and even after this, Withen still takes Jervis's side rather than his son's.
** The Collegium does no better. Savilnot bothering to have her already fanatical charge knows that Tylendel sent isn't rational where his family is concerned, but still doesn't think to have him see a Mind Healer [=MindHealer=] after a longtime enemy kills his [[TwinTelepathy telepathically-linked brother]]; nobody bothering twin brother]] is murdered by their longtime enemy. After Tylendel's suicide, there's not a single person around who isn't too wrapped up in their grief and horror over Tylendel's death to ask questions or even get a blanket after Vanyel witnesses spare any concern for Vanyel, who's just witnessed a horrific supernatural slaughter ''and'' and the suicide of his [[MindlinkMates mind-linked lover]]; and, lover]]. Nor does anyone pause to consider the possible consequences of the fact that Vanyel has suddenly developed powerful mind-reading abilities which he has no control over, making him all too sensitive to the resentment of the people around him who didn't know his "feud" with Tylendel was a cover for their relationship and resent the fact that he's alive and Tylendel's dead. And even after this leads to Vanyel's first suicide attempt resulting from aforesaid experience, attempt, Jaysen falling falls asleep while on watch to keep him from trying it again.
** Vanyel's mother encourages his artistic and effeminate qualities in order to indulge her own yen for courtly love, treating him like a plaything; his father, meanwhile, is a narrow-minded homophobe who neither understands him nor makes any effort to, instead pushing his armsmaster to "make a man" of him by any means necessary. Armsmaster Jervis, who later admits to having known better, lets his loyalty and sense of indebtedness to Withen and his own frustration with Vanyel's bratty behavior drive him to bully the boy until he actually breaks Van's arm in a fit of
** The Collegium does no better. Savil
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* TheLostLenore: Vanyel doesn't heal from Tylendel's death until the latter returns to him as [[spoiler: Stephan]], around eighteen years later.
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* TheLostLenore: Vanyel doesn't heal from Tylendel's death until the latter returns to him as [[spoiler: Stephan]], around eighteen years later.
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* TheAtoner: In the afterlife, Tylendel knew he hadn't loved Vanyel enough, so he choses to be reincarnated in hopes of atoning for his betrayal.
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* TheAtoner: In the afterlife, Tylendel knew he hadn't loved Vanyel enough, so he choses chooses to be reincarnated in hopes of atoning for his betrayal.
* BloodMagic: Used by Krebain, [[spoiler: Vedric Mavelan]], and Leareth.
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* EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette: Vanyel has pale skin, silver eyes, and blue-black hair, and he scares the stuffing out of most of the people who recognize him.
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* EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette: Vanyel has pale skin, silver eyes, and blue-black hair, and he a level of mystical power that scares the stuffing out of most of the people who recognize him.
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* FantasyForbiddingFather: Withen hates Vanyel's musical interests so much that, despite being a reasonably talented performer, the son feels compelled to hide his lute.
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* FantasyForbiddingFather: Withen hates Vanyel's musical interests so much that, despite being a reasonably talented performer, the son feels compelled to hide his lute.while he practices.
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* Gayngst: Vanyel in ''Magic's Pawn''.
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* Gayngst: {{Gayngst}}: Vanyel in ''Magic's Pawn''.
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* ShipperOnDeck: Medren, for Vanyel and Stefan.
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* ShipperOnDeck: Medren, for Medren sets up Vanyel and Stefan.
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* MindRape: Regardless of how important Vanyel's intel-gathering is, there's no way around the fact that he reads people's minds without their consent.
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* MindRape: MindOverManners: Regardless of how important Vanyel's intel-gathering is, there's no way around the fact that he reads people's minds without their consent.
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* AllGaysArePromiscuous: Also subverted, as people assume Vanyel has a stream of male groupies. In reality, he notes that "Savil sees more action in bed than I do."
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* AllGaysArePromiscuous: Also subverted, as people assume Vanyel has a an undending stream of male groupies. In reality, he notes that "Savil sees more action in bed than I do."
* CoolOldLady: Despite getting on in years, Savil is still pretty {{Badass}}, one of the only Heralds able to gate and the first person to figure out Lord Dark's plan.
* PluckyGirl: Nothing, including Withen Ashkevron, keeps Lissa down.
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* RealWomenWearPants: Lissa, Jisa, Savil, Bel, and any other woman who isn't hysterical or simpering will don pants at some point. Largely justified by the fact that Valdemar has an integrated army and school of magic, both of which rely heavily on horseback (or Companionback) riding, and you can't fight a war riding sidesaddle.
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* RealWomenWearPants: Lissa, Jisa, Savil, Bel, and any other woman who isn't hysterical or simpering will don pants at some point. Largely justified RealWomenDontWearDresses: Justified by the fact that Valdemar has an integrated army and school of magic, both of which rely heavily on horseback (or Companionback) riding, and you can't fight a war do anything significant in Valdemar without riding sidesaddle.a horse or Companion, and sidesaddle wouldn't cut it.
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* AdultsAreUseless: They get almost nothing right in the first three-quarters of ''Magic's Pawn''. Among their many failures: the armsmaster breaking Vanyel's arm in a fit of rage; Withen's father supporting the armsmaster breaking Vanyel's arm in a fit of rage; Savil not bothering to have her already fanatical charge Tylendel sent to a Mind Healer after a longtime enemy kills his [[TwinTelepathy telepathically-linked brother]]; nobody bothering to ask questions or even get a blanket after Vanyel witnesses a horrific supernatural slaughter ''and'' the suicide of his [[MindlinkMates mind-linked lover]]; and, after Vanyel's first suicide attempt resulting from aforesaid experience, Jaysen falling asleep while on watch to keep him from trying it again.
* BrawnHilda: Bel, the hard-drinking, mannish, lecherous proprietor of the Inn of the Green Man.
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* EvenTheGuysWantHim: Two of the book-finale villains he encounters try to seduce him.
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* EvenTheGuysWantHim: Two of the book-finale villains (both male) whom he encounters try to seduce him.
* IncompatibleOrientation: Vanyel and the many women who lust after him.
* MindRape: Regardless of how important Vanyel's intel-gathering is, there's no way around the fact that he reads people's minds without their consent.
* RealWomenWearPants: Lissa, Jisa, Savil, Bel, and any other woman who isn't hysterical or simpering will don pants at some point. Largely justified by the fact that Valdemar has an integrated army and school of magic, both of which rely heavily on horseback (or Companionback) riding, and you can't fight a war riding sidesaddle.
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* ThereAreNoTherapists: Halfway averted: although there are no therapists as we think of them, Mind Healers can supposedly recognize and, to some degree, treat insanity. Unfortunately, we never see them actually doing this, so their utility remains in doubt.
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* ThereAreNoTherapists: Halfway averted: although there are no therapists as we think of them, Mind Healers can supposedly recognize and, to some degree, treat insanity. Unfortunately, we never see no one ever seems to turn to them actually doing for this, so their utility remains in doubt.
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* UpperClassTwit: Aside from all that preening and sniping, young!Vanyel looks down his nose on peasants... until he meets a few and realizes that, philosophically, he has more in common with them than he does with most of the aristocrats he knows.
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* SettleForSibling: Melenna has sex with Mekeal after Vanyel turned her down, a decision that results in Medren.
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* SettleForSibling: Melenna has sex with Mekeal after Vanyel turned turns her down, a decision that results in Medren.
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* ParentsAreUseless: Vanyel's and Tashir's parents are either simply useless or outright abusive, although both get parental figures who do a bit better.
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* WhatAnIdiot: Lores nearly beats a Companion to death, a mistake he would've avoided by accepting that his own Companion thinks it's innocent. Savil aptly calls him "a fathead".
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* AbusiveParents: While Treesa is merely silly and weak-willed, Withen's determination to turn Vanyel into "a toy version of [him]self" (per Savil in ''Magic's Pawn'') leads him to outright cruelty: he allows an armsmaster to break Vanyel's arm, calls him a "perverted little catamite", and generally makes himself despicable until ''Magic's Price'', wherein he becomes merely obnoxious. And poor Tashir's father despised him in the belief that he was. as Lores says, "[[BastardBastard the worst kind of bastard".
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* AbusiveParents: While Treesa is merely silly and weak-willed, Withen's determination to turn Vanyel into "a toy version of [him]self" (per Savil in ''Magic's Pawn'') leads him to outright cruelty: he allows an armsmaster to break Vanyel's arm, calls him a "perverted little catamite", and generally makes himself despicable until ''Magic's Price'', wherein he becomes merely obnoxious. And poor Tashir's father despised him in the belief that he was. as Lores says, "[[BastardBastard the worst kind of bastard".bastard]]".
* BeautyEqualsGoodness: Averted, as Vanyel discovers when he meets Krebain.
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* DarkLord: Just in case you missed the [[BlackMagic turning animals into assassins]], [[Mooks army of people with no apparent free will]] [[EvilWearsBlack in black uniforms]], employment of a gang of [[Outlaw thieves and rapists]], and [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty sexually-charged taunts]], Leareth sometimes calls himself "Lord Dark".
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* DanceBattler: Based on descriptions of his combat style, Vanyel likely fits this trope. Appropriate, given his passion for music.
* DarkLord: Just in case you missed the [[BlackMagic turning animals into assassins]],[[Mooks army of people with no apparent free will]] [[EvilWearsBlack in black uniforms]], black-clad]] [[SlaveMook slave mooks]], employment of a gang of [[Outlaw [[{{Outlaw}} thieves and rapists]], and [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty sexually-charged taunts]], taunting]] of Vanyel, Leareth sometimes calls himself "Lord Dark".
* DarkLord: Just in case you missed the [[BlackMagic turning animals into assassins]],
* FauxAffablyEvil: Krebain, in his one meeting with Vanyel.
* GoodIsNotNice: Savil's impatience and caustic tongue.
* KnightInSourArmor: When Vanyel arrives in Haven, Savil saves him from his fathers' minions' bullying but also tells him, "You're an imposition. It's your job to see you become less of one."
* ParentsAreUseless: Vanyel's and Tashir's parents are either simply useless or outright abusive, although both get parental figures who do a bit better.
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* SettleForSibling: Melenna slept with Mekeal after Vanyel turned her down, a decision that resulted in Medren.
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* SettleForSibling: Melenna slept has sex with Mekeal after Vanyel turned her down, a decision that resulted results in Medren.
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* WillTheyOrWontThey: Due to the age difference and the fact that [[ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies people close to Vanyel become targets]], it takes a while for him and Stefan to consummate their love.
* WhatTheHellHero: Stefan gives this to Vanyel a lot, usually when Vanyel has just been snippy with him, but on one occassion when he finds Vanyel in the middle of slaughtering a gang of outlaws.
* WhatTheHellHero: Stefan gives this to Vanyel a lot, usually when Vanyel has just been snippy with him, but on one occassion when he finds Vanyel in the middle of slaughtering a gang of outlaws.
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* WhatAnIdiot: Lores nearly beats a Companion to death, a mistake he would've avoided by accepting that his own Companion thinks it's innocent. Savil aptly calls him "a fathead".
* WhatTheHellHero: Stefan gives this to Vanyel a lot, usually when Vanyel has just been snippy with him, but on one occassion when he finds Vanyel in the middle of slaughtering a gang of outlaws.
* WillTheyOrWontThey: Due to the age difference and the fact that [[ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies people close to Vanyel become targets]], it takes a while for him and Stefan to consummate theirlove.
* WhatTheHellHero: Stefan gives this to Vanyel a lot, usually when Vanyel has just been snippy with him, but on one occassion when he finds Vanyel in the middle of slaughtering a gang of outlaws.love.
* WhatTheHellHero: Stefan gives this to Vanyel a lot, usually when Vanyel has just been snippy with him, but on one occassion when he finds Vanyel in the middle of slaughtering a gang of outlaws.
* WillTheyOrWontThey: Due to the age difference and the fact that [[ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies people close to Vanyel become targets]], it takes a while for him and Stefan to consummate their
* WhatTheHellHero: Stefan gives this to Vanyel a lot, usually when Vanyel has just been snippy with him, but on one occassion when he finds Vanyel in the middle of slaughtering a gang of outlaws.
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* AbusiveParents: While Treesa is merely silly and weak-willed, Withen's determination to turn Vanyel into "a toy version of [him]self" (per Savil in ''Magic's Pawn'') leads him to outright cruelty: he allows an armsmaster to break Vanyel's arm, calls him a "perverted catamite", and generally makes himself despicable until ''Magic's Price'', wherein he becomes merely clueless and obnoxious.
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* AbusiveParents: While Treesa is merely silly and weak-willed, Withen's determination to turn Vanyel into "a toy version of [him]self" (per Savil in ''Magic's Pawn'') leads him to outright cruelty: he allows an armsmaster to break Vanyel's arm, calls him a "perverted little catamite", and generally makes himself despicable until ''Magic's Price'', wherein he becomes merely clueless and obnoxious.obnoxious. And poor Tashir's father despised him in the belief that he was. as Lores says, "[[BastardBastard the worst kind of bastard".
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* ActionGirl: Vanyel's sister, Lissa Ashkevron.
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* ActionGirl: Vanyel's favorite sister, Lissa Ashkevron.Ashkevron, becomes a successful soldier.
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* CastFromHitPoints: Heralds are capable of a kind of suicide attack that obliterates everything nearby. It's called "Final Strike". Also, Shavri drains her own life force into Randale, [[spoiler: meaning that she won't long outlive his terminal illness.
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* CardCarryingVillain: Krebain and Leareth are positively gleeful about their evil schemes.
* CastFromHitPoints: Heralds are capable of a kind of suicide attack that obliterates everything nearby. It's called "Final Strike". Also, Shavri drains her own life force into Randale, [[spoiler: meaning that she won't long outlive his terminalillness.illness]].
* CastFromHitPoints: Heralds are capable of a kind of suicide attack that obliterates everything nearby. It's called "Final Strike". Also, Shavri drains her own life force into Randale, [[spoiler: meaning that she won't long outlive his terminal
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* DefiledForever: Averted. Stefan sees Vanyel's rapists escaping a burning building and muses that "they didn't matter. What mattered was Van."
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* DefiledForever: Averted. Averted twice. First, Stefan thinks Vanyel doesn't want him because he knows of Stefan's [[ReallyGetsAround extensive]] sexual history, but he's wrong-- Vanyel just hadn't realized how serious Stefan was about him. Later, Stefan sees Vanyel's rapists escaping a burning building and muses that "they didn't matter. What mattered was Van."
* DreamingOfThingsToCome: Vanyel foresees his own death in ''Magic's Pawn'', a couple of decades before it happens.
* EvilSorcerer: Krebain, [[spoiler: Vedric Mavelan]], and Leareth.
* GenerationXerox: Mekeal looks almost exactly like Withen, while Lissa is pretty much a copy of her aunt Savil in her youth.
* GoodColorsEvilColors: Heralds dress in head-to-toe white while on the job. Lord Dark's {{Mook}} army wears all-black armor.
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* HeelFaceTurn: Jervis (well, a little, anyway).
* HeelRealization: Jaysen in ''Magic's Pawn'', when he realizes that he really ''doesn't'' want to be the kind of guy who drives angsty teenagers to suicide; later Vanyel, after realizing that his focus on revenge has caused him to act cruelly toward Stefan (''Magic's Price'').
* HeelRealization: Jaysen in ''Magic's Pawn'', when he realizes that he really ''doesn't'' want to be the kind of guy who drives angsty teenagers to suicide; later Vanyel, after realizing that his focus on revenge has caused him to act cruelly toward Stefan (''Magic's Price'').
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* HeelFaceTurn: Jervis (well, a little, anyway).
anyway). He's still a bigot, but at least he's stopped breaking kids' bones for kicks by ''Magic's Promise''.
* HeelRealization: Jaysen in ''Magic's Pawn'', when he realizes that he really ''doesn't'' want to be the kind of guy who drives angsty teenagers to suicide; later Vanyel, after realizingthat how badly his focus on drive for revenge has caused led him to act cruelly toward Stefan (''Magic's Price'').treat Stefan.
* HeroicBastard: While Medren doesn't really have the skill set to go around [[{{Badass}} kicking ass]], he certainly averts the BastardBastard stereotype by being a loving nephew to Vanyel and a good friend to Stefan.
* HeelRealization: Jaysen in ''Magic's Pawn'', when he realizes that he really ''doesn't'' want to be the kind of guy who drives angsty teenagers to suicide; later Vanyel, after realizing
* HeroicBastard: While Medren doesn't really have the skill set to go around [[{{Badass}} kicking ass]], he certainly averts the BastardBastard stereotype by being a loving nephew to Vanyel and a good friend to Stefan.
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* JacobAndEsau: Treesa dotes on Vanyel, while Withen prefers any of his other sons.
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* JacobAndEsau: Treesa dotes on Vanyel, while Withen prefers Mekeal (or possibly just any of his other sons.son who isn't Vanyel).
* LastOfHisKind: Vanyel becomes this, [[CaptainObvious as advertised]] in the [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin trilogy's title]].
* MisplacedRetribution: After Evan Leshara has Tylendel's brother Staven assassinated, Tylendel responds by [[spoiler: summoning [[EldritchAbomination magical monsters]] to kill ''all'' the Leshara]]. This is why Gala repudiates him and what leads to her [[HeroicSacrifice death]].
* RapeDiscretionShot: In ''Magic's Price''.
* SettleForSibling: Melenna slept with Mekeal after Vanyel turned her down, a decision that resulted in Medren.
* ShipperOnDeck: Medren, for Vanyel and Stefan.
* SlaveMooks: Vanyel suspects that Leareth has [[CompellingVoice taken over]] his soldiers' minds.
* StalkerWithACrush: Melenna goes to extremes in her [[IncompatibleOrientation doomed]] efforts to seduce Vanyel. At one point, he actually sleeps in the stables upon finding her naked in his bed.
* StalkerWithACrush: Melenna goes to extremes in her [[IncompatibleOrientation doomed]] efforts to seduce Vanyel. At one point, he actually sleeps in the stables upon finding her naked in his bed.
* ThereAreNoTherapists: Halfway averted: although there are no therapists as we think of them, Mind Healers can supposedly recognize and, to some degree, treat insanity. Unfortunately, we never see them actually doing this, so their utility remains in doubt.
* UniquenessValue: Vanyel's skill set is so uniquely valuable that he hardly ever gets a moment's rest.
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* WillTheyOrWontThey: Due to the age difference and the fact that people close to Vanyel become targets, it takes a while for him and Stefan to consummate their love.
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* WillTheyOrWontThey: Due to the age difference and the fact that [[ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies people close to Vanyel become targets, targets]], it takes a while for him and Stefan to consummate their love.
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* CastFromHitPoints: Heralds are capable of a kind of suicide attack that obliterates everything nearby. It's called "Final Strike".
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* CastFromHitPoints: Heralds are capable of a kind of suicide attack that obliterates everything nearby. It's called "Final Strike". Also, Shavri drains her own life force into Randale, [[spoiler: meaning that she won't long outlive his terminal illness.
* ChurchMilitant: Runs Karse after an [[GoneHorriblyRight upset loss]] to Vanyel.
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* CoolBigSis: Liss.
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* CoolBigSis: Liss.Liss, the only person at Forst Reach willing to stand up for Vanyel to Withen.
* DarkLord: Just in case you missed the [[BlackMagic turning animals into assassins]], [[Mooks army of people with no apparent free will]] [[EvilWearsBlack in black uniforms]], employment of a gang of [[Outlaw thieves and rapists]], and [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty sexually-charged taunts]], Leareth sometimes calls himself "Lord Dark".
* DarkLord: Just in case you missed the [[BlackMagic turning animals into assassins]], [[Mooks army of people with no apparent free will]] [[EvilWearsBlack in black uniforms]], employment of a gang of [[Outlaw thieves and rapists]], and [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty sexually-charged taunts]], Leareth sometimes calls himself "Lord Dark".
* GoneHorriblyRight: Vanyel turns the Karsites' military magic against them so effectively that they not only lose the relevant battle, but also wind up establishing a ChurchMilitant dedicated to [[BurnTheWitch rooting out magicians]]... whether inside or outside their own borders.
* GuiltRiddenAccomplice: Brodie, a reclusive Healer blackmailed into helping Lord Dark's brigands.
* GuiltRiddenAccomplice: Brodie, a reclusive Healer blackmailed into helping Lord Dark's brigands.
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* HeteronormativeCrusader: Vanyel's father, Withen, and the Herald Jaysen.
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* HeteronormativeCrusader: Vanyel's father, Withen, Jaysen, and the Herald Jaysen.Father Leren.
* MagicalNativeAmerican: Tayledras are something of a FantasyCounterpartCulture to idealized, generic Native Americans.
* MagicalQueer: Two Tayledras, Starwind and Moondance, pulling [[MagicalNativeAmerican double duty]]. Vanyel is also a gay man with magical powers, but his personality and philosophy don't really fit this trope.
* MagicalQueer: Two Tayledras, Starwind and Moondance, pulling [[MagicalNativeAmerican double duty]]. Vanyel is also a gay man with magical powers, but his personality and philosophy don't really fit this trope.
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* MindlinkMates: Vanyel and Tylendel; Vanyel and Stefan; Donnic and Mardi.
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* MindlinkMates: Vanyel and Tylendel; Vanyel and Stefan; Donnic and Mardi.Mardi; Randale and Shavri.
* TheMole: Vanyel always knew that [[spoiler: Father Leren]] was irritating, but he didn't expect him to attempt murder in the service of the Karsites' ChurchMilitant.
* TheMole: Vanyel always knew that [[spoiler: Father Leren]] was irritating, but he didn't expect him to attempt murder in the service of the Karsites' ChurchMilitant.
* RapeAndRevenge: Staven interrupts Vanyel while he's dishing out the second part.
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* WillTheyOrWontThey: Due to the age difference and the fact that people close to him become likely targets of violence, Vanyel takes a long time to consummate his love for Stefan.
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* WillTheyOrWontThey: Due to the age difference and the fact that people close to him Vanyel become likely targets of violence, Vanyel targets, it takes a long time while for him and Stefan to consummate his love for Stefan.their love.
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* CallingTheOldManOut: Vanyel, Lissa, and Savil all call Withen out quite thoroughly when he comes to Haven to berate the traumatized Vanyel.
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* AbusiveParents: While Treesa is merely silly and weak-willed, Withen's determination to turn Vanyel into "a toy version of [him]self" (Savil, ''Magic's Pawn'') leads him to outright cruelty: he allows an armsmaster to break Vanyel's arm, calls him a "perverted catamite", and generally makes himself despicable until ''Magic's Price'', wherein he becomes merely obnoxious.
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* AbusiveParents: While Treesa is merely silly and weak-willed, Withen's determination to turn Vanyel into "a toy version of [him]self" (Savil, (per Savil in ''Magic's Pawn'') leads him to outright cruelty: he allows an armsmaster to break Vanyel's arm, calls him a "perverted catamite", and generally makes himself despicable until ''Magic's Price'', wherein he becomes merely clueless and obnoxious.
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* ReplacementGoldfish: Tashir bears a strong resemblance to Tylendel (as Vanyel last saw him, a dozen years ago), and Vanyel feels strongly tempted to accept his proposition. Fortunately, given the [[Squick disturbing]] moral issues, he remains chaste.
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* ReplacementGoldfish: Tashir bears a strong resemblance to Tylendel (as Vanyel last saw him, a dozen years ago), and Vanyel feels strongly tempted to accept his proposition. Fortunately, given the [[Squick [[{{Squick}} disturbing]] moral issues, he remains chaste.
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* DefiledForever: Averted. Stefan sees Vanyel's rapists escaping a burning building and muses that "they didn't matter. What mattered was Van."
* GlowingEyesOfDoom: Vanyel acquaints a [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil particularly nasty]] band of brigands with this trope during a RoaringRampageOfRevenge. Combined with RedEyesTakeWarning for extra scare value.
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* HeelFaceTurn: Jervis (well, a little, anyway) and Jaysen.
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* HeelFaceTurn: Jervis (well, a little, anyway) and Jaysen.anyway).
* HeelRealization: Jaysen in ''Magic's Pawn'', when he realizes that he really ''doesn't'' want to be the kind of guy who drives angsty teenagers to suicide; later Vanyel, after realizing that his focus on revenge has caused him to act cruelly toward Stefan (''Magic's Price'').
* HeelRealization: Jaysen in ''Magic's Pawn'', when he realizes that he really ''doesn't'' want to be the kind of guy who drives angsty teenagers to suicide; later Vanyel, after realizing that his focus on revenge has caused him to act cruelly toward Stefan (''Magic's Price'').
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* KickTheMoralityPet: Poor Stefan, dealing with a vengeance-obsessed Vanyel in ''Magic's Price''. Luckily, Van comes around before he completes his FaceHeelTurn.
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* RedEyesTakeWarning: Vanyel's and Yfandes's eyes glow red when angry.
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* AbusiveParents: While Treesa is merely silly and weak-willed, Withen's determination to turn Vanyel into "a toy version of [him]self" (Savil, ''Magic's Pawn'') leads him to outright cruelty: he allows an armsmaster to break Vanyel's arm, calls him a "perverted catamite", and generally makes himself despicable until ''Magic's Price'', wherein he becomes merely obnoxious.
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* AbusiveParents: While Treesa is merely silly and weak-willed, Withen's determination to turn Vanyel into "a toy version of [him]self" (Savil, ''Magic's Pawn'') leads him to outright cruelty: he allows an armsmaster to break Vanyel's arm, calls him a "perverted catamite", and generally makes himself despicable until ''Magic's Price'', wherein he becomes merely obnoxious.
* AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence: When they die, Vanyel, Yfandes and Stefan [[spoiler: become the eternal guardians of the Forest of Sorrows]].
* BadassGay: Vanyel, after he learns fencing and gets his powers.
* BlessedWithSuck: Being the most gifted person in Valdemar means you'll likely wind up nearly friendless, worked to the bone, and sent on nigh-impossible missions.
* BrokenAce: Between his [[TheLostLenore grief for Tylendel]], [[AbusiveParents abusive father]], and awareness of his [[ItSucksToBeTheChosenOne grim destiny]], our hero has developed enough issues to give any [[ThereAreNoTherapists imaginary shrink]] a field day.
* ClosetKey: Tylendel for Vanyel.
* DepravedHomosexual: Krebain and Leareth.
* EarnYourHappyEnding: Stefan decades working for the right to spend eternity with Vanyel [[spoiler: in the Forest of Sorrows]].
* EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette: Vanyel has pale skin, silver eyes, and blue-black hair, and he scares the stuffing out of most of the people who recognize him.
* EeriePaleSkinnedBrunette: Vanyel has pale skin, silver eyes, and blue-black hair, and he scares the stuffing out of most of the people who recognize him.
* EvenTheGuysWantHim: Two of the book-finale villains he encounters try to seduce him.
* Gayngst: Vanyel in ''Magic's Pawn''.
* HeroicSacrifice: Vanyel, Yfandes, [[spoiler: Donni, Mardic, and Gala]].
* IHaveYouNowMyPretty: Krebain and Leareth, to Vanyel.
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* KickTheDog: Withen's letting Jervis break Vanyel's arm. Vanyel's coldness toward Stefan while out for revenge against [[spoiler: Savil's killer]]. An outlaw gang's decision to take turns raping a helpless captive. Maybe even Vanyel's use of a magically-altered bird to gain revenge on Leareth. There aren't t a lot of perfect characters in these books.
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* KickTheDog: Withen's letting Jervis break Vanyel's arm. Vanyel's coldness toward Stefan while out for revenge against [[spoiler: Savil's killer]]. An outlaw gang's decision to take turns raping a helpless captive. Maybe even Vanyel's use of a magically-altered bird to gain revenge on Leareth. There aren't t a lot of perfect characters in these books.books.
* LonelyAtTheTop: As Vanyel discovers when he becomes the most valuable (and feared) person in Valdemar.
* LoverAndBeloved: Played with. Savil says that confident, experienced Tylendel was the leader and Vanyel the follower in their relationship, although they don't have the age difference generally associated with this trope. By contrast, Vanyel is nearly twice Stefan's age, but seems not to have any more confidence or sexual experience than the younger man.
* LonelyAtTheTop: As Vanyel discovers when he becomes the most valuable (and feared) person in Valdemar.
* LoverAndBeloved: Played with. Savil says that confident, experienced Tylendel was the leader and Vanyel the follower in their relationship, although they don't have the age difference generally associated with this trope. By contrast, Vanyel is nearly twice Stefan's age, but seems not to have any more confidence or sexual experience than the younger man.
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* SexyDiscretionShot: Although themes dealing with sexual identity, homophobia, and rape permeate the book, the amount of sex actually ''shown'' is very small, and it's always very vague. Usually there's either some kissing or some leering, then a skip forward to the postcoital bliss or trauma.
* SituationalSexuality: Because of his issues dealing with women, Tashir wants to be gay and hits on Vanyel.
* SituationalSexuality: Because of his issues dealing with women, Tashir wants to be gay and hits on Vanyel.
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* SexyDiscretionShot: Although While themes dealing with sexual identity, homophobia, and even rape permeate the book, the amount of sex actually ''shown'' is very small, and it's always very vague. Usually there's either some kissing or some leering, then a skip forward to the postcoital bliss or trauma.
* SituationalSexuality: Because of his issues dealing with women, Tashir wants to be gay and hits on Vanyel. This trope probably also plays a role in Vanyel's rape by the brigands, as one of them says, "Pup's as good as a woman!"
* SuperpowerLottery: Vanyel wins it, although it's not a pleasant experience.
* SituationalSexuality: Because of his issues dealing with women, Tashir wants to be gay and hits on Vanyel. This trope probably also plays a role in Vanyel's rape by the brigands, as one of them says, "Pup's as good as a woman!"
* SuperpowerLottery: Vanyel wins it, although it's not a pleasant experience.
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* IfIKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim: Stefan convinces Vanyel of this with regard to the men who had kidnapped and raped the latter.
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* IfIKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim: IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim: Stefan convinces Vanyel of this with regard to the men who had kidnapped and raped the latter.
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* IntellectualAnimal: Any given Companion is a highly intelligent, magically-gifted being with a horselike body.
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* IntellectualAnimal: Any given Companion is a highly intelligent, magically-gifted being with a horselike body. The kyree are kind of the same, only in wolflike bodies instead.
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* Abusive Parents: While Treesa is merely silly and weak-willed, Withen's determination to turn Vanyel into "a toy version of [him]self" (Savil, ''Magic's Pawn'') leads him to outright cruelty: he allows an armsmaster to break Vanyel's arm, calls him a "perverted catamite", and generally makes himself despicable until ''Magic's Price'', wherein he becomes merely obnoxious.
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* Abusive Parents: AllGaysArePedophiles: Subverted repeatedly throughout ''Magic's Promise'', as people keep expecting Vanyel to hit on minors, including his own twelve-year-old nephew, and he keeps explaining that ''no''.
* AllGaysArePromiscuous: Also subverted, as people assume Vanyel has a stream of male groupies. In reality, he notes that "Savil sees more action in bed than I do."
* AbusiveParents: While Treesa is merely silly and weak-willed, Withen's determination to turn Vanyel into "a toy version of [him]self" (Savil, ''Magic's Pawn'') leads him to outright cruelty: he allows an armsmaster to break Vanyel's arm, calls him a "perverted catamite", and generally makes himself despicable until ''Magic's Price'', wherein he becomes merely obnoxious.
* AllGaysArePromiscuous: Also subverted, as people assume Vanyel has a stream of male groupies. In reality, he notes that "Savil sees more action in bed than I do."
* AbusiveParents: While Treesa is merely silly and weak-willed, Withen's determination to turn Vanyel into "a toy version of [him]self" (Savil, ''Magic's Pawn'') leads him to outright cruelty: he allows an armsmaster to break Vanyel's arm, calls him a "perverted catamite", and generally makes himself despicable until ''Magic's Price'', wherein he becomes merely obnoxious.
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* BigScrewedUpFamily: As Starwind says of the Ashkevrons, "This is not a family, it is a small army. And half of them are mad." Not only are they headed by a stereotypically hysterical woman and an abusive father, but they're breeding like rabbits. Some are itching for a war for no better reason than that Forst Reach doesn't have enough room for so many heirs.
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* BigScrewedUpFamily: As Starwind says of the Ashkevrons, "This is not a family, it is a small army. And half of them are mad." Not only are they headed by a stereotypically hysterical woman and an abusive father, but they're breeding like rabbits. Some are itching for a war for no better reason than that Forst Reach doesn't have enough room for so many heirs.
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* DoomedByCanon: Vanyel will die fulfilling a legend expressed in the (chronologically) later books.
* DotingParent: Treesa loves bragging on Vanyel and showing off his musical skills, although she doesn't love him quite enough to stand up to Withen.
* DotingParent: Treesa loves bragging on Vanyel and showing off his musical skills, although she doesn't love him quite enough to stand up to Withen.
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* DoomedByCanon: DidYouJustHaveSex: An unusual example occurs in ''Magic's Pawn'', as Savil realizes via Empathy what Tylendel and Vanyel will die fulfilling a legend expressed in the (chronologically) later books.
* DotingParent: Treesa loves bragging on Vanyel and showing off his musical skills, although she doesn't love him quite enough to stand up to Withen.have been doing.
* DotingParent: Treesa loves bragging on Vanyel and showing off his musical skills, although she doesn't love him quite enough to stand up to Withen.
* HeroicBSOD: Vanyel after Tylendel's suicide and, later, after ending his RoaringRampageOfRevenge against his former captors.
* IfIKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim: Stefan convinces Vanyel of this with regard to the men who had kidnapped and raped the latter.
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* IntellectualAnimal: Any given Companion is an hyper-intelligent, magically-gifted being with a horselike body.
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* MommasBoy: Treesa loves bragging on Vanyel and showing him off, but she doesn't love him quite enough to stand up to Withen.
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* ReallyGetsAround: Stefan, prior to falling for Vanyel.
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* ReplacementGoldfish: Tashir bears a strong resemblance to Tylendel (as Vanyel last saw him, a dozen years ago), and Vanyel feels strongly tempted to accept his proposition. Fortunately, given the [[Squick disturbing]] moral issues, he remains chaste.
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* SexyDiscretionShot: Although themes dealing with sexual identity, homophobia, and rape permeate the book, the amount of sex actually ''shown'' is very small, and it's always very vague. Usually there's either some kissing or some leering, then a skip forward to the postcoital bliss or trauma.
* SituationalSexuality: Because of his issues dealing with women, Tashir wants to be gay and hits on Vanyel.
* SituationalSexuality: Because of his issues dealing with women, Tashir wants to be gay and hits on Vanyel.
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* Abusive Parents: While Treesa is merely silly and weak-willed, Withen's determination to turn Vanyel into "a toy version of [him]self" (Savil, ''Magic's Pawn'') leads him to outright cruelty: he allows an armsmaster to break Vanyel's arm, calls him a "perverted catamite", and generally makes himself despicable until ''Magic's Price'', wherein he becomes merely obnoxious.
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* BigScrewedUpFamily: As Starwind says of the Ashkevrons, "This is not a family, it is a small army. And half of them are mad." Not only are they headed by a stereotypically hysterical woman and an abusive father, but they're breeding like rabbits. Some are itching for a war for no better reason than that Forst Reach doesn't have enough room for so many heirs.
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* DotingParent: Treesa loves bragging on Vanyel and showing off his musical skills, although she doesn't love him quite enough to stand up to Withen.
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* FantasyForbiddingFather: Withen hates Vanyel's musical interests so much that, despite being a reasonably talented performer, the son feels compelled to hide his lute.
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* HonorRelatedAbuse: The verbal and physical treatment that Withen delivers to Vanyel, out of horror at Vanyel's homosexuality.
* HystericalWoman: Treesa seems to actually take pride in embodying this trope.
* InadequateInheritor: The way Withen sees Vanyel.
* HystericalWoman: Treesa seems to actually take pride in embodying this trope.
* InadequateInheritor: The way Withen sees Vanyel.
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* JacobAndEsau: Treesa dotes on Vanyel, while Withen prefers any of his other sons.
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* BadassGay: Vanyel and, to a lesser extent, Tylendel.
* BadassInDistress: Thanks to a magic weapon, Leareth's outlaw gang manages to temporarily incapacitate Vanyel, and Stefan has to come to the rescue.
* BadassInDistress: Thanks to a magic weapon, Leareth's outlaw gang manages to temporarily incapacitate Vanyel, and Stefan has to come to the rescue.
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* BadassGay: TheAtoner: In the afterlife, Tylendel knew he hadn't loved Vanyel and, enough, so he choses to a lesser extent, Tylendel.
* BadassInDistress: Thanks to a magic weapon, Leareth's outlaw gang manages to temporarily incapacitate Vanyel, and Stefan has to come to the rescue.be reincarnated in hopes of atoning for his betrayal.
* BadassInDistress: Thanks to a magic weapon, Leareth's outlaw gang manages to temporarily incapacitate Vanyel, and Stefan has to come to the rescue.
* BreakTheCutie: Probably four out of five events in Vanyel's life qualify for this.
* FeudingFamilies: The Frelennye and Leshara.
* FriendsWithBenefits: Suggested to be the case between Savil and a variety of men.
* KickTheDog: Withen's letting Jervis break Vanyel's arm. Vanyel's coldness toward Stefan while out for revenge against [[spoiler: Savil's killer]]. An outlaw gang's decision to take turns raping a helpless captive. Maybe even Vanyel's use of a magically-altered bird to gain revenge on Leareth. There aren't t a lot of perfect characters in these books.
* MamasBabyPapasMaybe: Tashir, due to rumors of his mother's promiscuity. [[spoiler: As it turns out, he actually is Deveran's legitimate son.]]
* MamasBabyPapasMaybe: Tashir, due to rumors of his mother's promiscuity. [[spoiler: As it turns out, he actually is Deveran's legitimate son.]]
* ProfessionalSexEd: Withen hires a female prostitute for Vanyel in an attempt to [[CureYourGays turn him straight]]. It doesn't work.
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* ReincarnationRomance: Tylendel is reincarnated as Stefan, allowing him and Vanyel to renew their lifebond.
* RoaringRampageOfRevenge: There are a lot of these: from Tylendel against the Mavelans; from Vanyel against the magically-altered bird that killed [[spoiler: Savil]]; and from Vanyel again after an outlaw gang tortures and rapes him.
* RoaringRampageOfRevenge: There are a lot of these: from Tylendel against the Mavelans; from Vanyel against the magically-altered bird that killed [[spoiler: Savil]]; and from Vanyel again after an outlaw gang tortures and rapes him.
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* ReincarnationRomance: Tylendel is reincarnated as [[spoiler: Stefan, allowing him and Vanyel to renew their lifebond.
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* RoaringRampageOfRevenge: There are a lot of these: from Tylendel against theMavelans; Leshara; from Vanyel against the magically-altered bird that killed [[spoiler: Savil]]; and from Vanyel again after an outlaw gang tortures and rapes him.
* RoaringRampageOfRevenge: There are a lot of these: from Tylendel against the
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* Ambadassador: By ''Magic's Price'', Vanyel is in demand as a diplomat as well as being Valdemar's most powerful warrior.
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* Ambadassador: {{Ambadassador}}: By ''Magic's Price'', Vanyel is in demand as a diplomat as well as being Valdemar's most powerful warrior.warrior.
* ActionGirl: Vanyel's sister, Lissa Ashkevron.
* AristocratsAreEvil: Generally averted; some are bad, but most don't appear to be much worse than your average person.
* ActionGirl: Vanyel's sister, Lissa Ashkevron.
* AristocratsAreEvil: Generally averted; some are bad, but most don't appear to be much worse than your average person.
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* BadassInDistress: Thanks to a magic weapon, Leareth's outlaw gang manages to temporarily incapacitate Vanyel, and Stefan has to come to the rescue.
* BattleCouple: Mardic and Donni.
* BattleCouple: Mardic and Donni.
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* BrotherSisterIncest: Rumored between Ylyna and Vedric Mavelan.
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* CelibateHero: Vanyel, from a few months before ''Magic's Promise'' begins until he gets together with Stefan in ''Magic's Price''.
* CoolBigSis: Liss.
* DoomedByCanon: Vanyel will die fulfilling a legend expressed in the (chronologically) later books.
* DrivenToSuicide: Vanyel, after he endures Tylendel's death, the opening of his channels, and the awareness that most of the Heralds would be just as happy if he had died too.
* TheEmpath: Tylendel has a touch of empathy. Vanyel, Shavri, and Jisa have considerably more.
* AFateWorseThanDeath: Surviving after the death of one's lifebonded.
* FrameUp: Perpetrated by most of the Mavelan family against Tashir.
* HealingHands: One form of supernatural ability is healing; Vanyel has a little of it, but Shavri and Andrel have a lot more.
* HeelFaceTurn: Jervis (well, a little, anyway) and Jaysen.
* HeteronormativeCrusader: Vanyel's father, Withen, and the Herald Jaysen.
* IntellectualAnimal: Any given Companion is an hyper-intelligent, magically-gifted being with a horselike body.
* AMindIsATerribleThingToRead: If you're teenage Vanyel and most of the people around you would rather you were dead.
* MindlinkMates: Vanyel and Tylendel; Vanyel and Stefan; Donnic and Mardi.
* MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Vanyel after helping Tylendel obtain the forbidden book; Savil after realizing she should have had Tylendel examined by a Mind-Healer; Jaysen on "sen[ding] someone out to cut his wrists"; and Vanyel when [[spoiler: his failure to listen to Savil's warning about a magical attack leads to her death]].
* {{Mooks}}: Both the outlaw gang and the soldiers controlled by Leareth fall into this category.
* ParentChildIncest: Between [[spoiler: Ylyna and Tashir]], a situation that causes no end of trouble.
* PrettyBoy: Vanyel, Stefan, and Medren.
* PsychicLink: Between Mindspeaking Heralds and their Companions.
* RapeAsDrama: An outlaw gang rapes Vanyel. It takes him a while to recover.
* RedBaron: Vanyel is "Demonsbane" and the "Hero of Stony Tor"; Leareth also goes by Lord Dark.
* ReincarnationRomance: Tylendel is reincarnated as Stefan, allowing him and Vanyel to renew their lifebond.
* RoaringRampageOfRevenge: There are a lot of these: from Tylendel against the Mavelans; from Vanyel against the magically-altered bird that killed [[spoiler: Savil]]; and from Vanyel again after an outlaw gang tortures and rapes him.
* TheTwink: Early!Vanyel and Stefan.
* TwinTelepathy: Tylendel and Staven.
* WellDoneSonGuy: Vanyel's father, Withen Ashkevron.
* WhatTheHellHero: Stefan gives this to Vanyel a lot, usually when Vanyel has just been snippy with him, but on one occassion when he finds Vanyel in the middle of slaughtering a gang of outlaws.