History Literature / HeraldsOfValdemar

18th May '18 11:10:22 PM Minkette
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** In Darian's Tale, it's noted that the tribal totems of the Northerners probably play this straight; the character in question wonders if there's a level of spiritual warfare when tribes clash as well.


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** There are also the tribal totems of the Northern Barbarians, who take animal shapes and are not omnipotent like the Star-Eyed or Sunlord; they rely on the prayers of their respective tribes, and will die if their tribe dies.
18th May '18 11:00:32 PM Minkette
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** The mages of the Eastern Empire are also noted to take a scientific, logical approach to their magic.
16th May '18 7:05:39 AM Ramidel
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* FantasyGunControl: Velgarth never developed firearms, though the tech level in other respects ranges from the Renaissance to the Steam Age.
15th May '18 6:22:45 PM FranksGirl
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* AuthorCatchphrase:
** Lackey re-uses several proverbs across different trilogies and cultures, attributing them to various in-universe sources. The most common one is probably "it is easier to apologize than to ask permission."
** She also uses the phrase "hit in the back of the head with a board" frequently. It seems that is the only way to describe shock in her world.
** Every character in the Valdemar universe licks their lips before speaking, no matter what they're feeling.
** In the most recent books, Lackey has been overusing the term ''al fresco'', an Italian phrase meaning "in the open air", with no explanation of how the Valdemarians know Italian.
4th May '18 8:38:30 PM Malady
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* AlliterativeList: Some of the music's titles:
** ''Heralds, Harpers and Havoc''
** ''Magic, Moondust, and Melancholy''
** ''Lovers, Lore, and Loss''
* AlliterativeTitle:
** ''Closer to the Chest''
** ''Take a Thief''
** ''Heralds, Harpers and Havoc''
** ''Magic, Moondust, and Melancholy''
** ''Lovers, Lore, and Loss''
** ''Shadow Stalker''
** ''Sun and Shadow''
** ''The Collegium Chronicles''
** ''Brightly Burning''



* BadassGrandpa.

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* IdiotBall: Near the end of the Mage Winds trilogy, Elspeth, princess of Valdemar, goes undercover in enemy territory. Among the weapons she brings? A knife emblazoned with the Valdemaran crest. A ''throwing'' knife. Which she uses for its intended purpose, on an envoy of the Eastern Empire -- just as he's [[TeleportersAndTransporters Gating]] back home. As one of her companions notes, "very subtle, Elspeth."

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* IdiosyncraticEpisodeNaming: Most of the series use it:
** ''The Mage Wars'': The X Gryphon:
*** ''The Black Gryphon'' (1994)
*** ''The White Gryphon'' (1995)
*** ''The Silver Gryphon'' (1996)
** ''[[Literature/LastHeraldMageTrilogy The Last Herald-Mage]]'': Magic's X:
*** ''Magic's Pawn'' (1989)
*** ''Magic's Promise'' (1990)
*** ''Magic's Price'' (1990)
** ''The Collegium Chronicles'': All {{One Word Title}}s. The last two are a type of building.
*** ''Foundation'' (2008)
*** ''Intrigues'' (2010)
*** ''Changes'' (2011)
*** ''Redoubt'' (2012)
*** ''Bastion'' (October 2013)
** ''The Herald Spy'', a sequel to the ''Collegium Chronicles'' with an adult Herald Mags.
*** ''Closer to Home'' (October 2014)
*** ''Closer to the Heart'' (October 2015)
*** ''Closer to the Chest'' (October 2016)
** ''Vows and Honor'': Oath-X:
*** ''The Oathbound'' (1988)
*** ''Oathbreakers'' (1989)
*** ''Oathblood'' (1998)
** ''Exile's Duology'': Exile's X:
*** ''Exile's Honor'' (2002)
*** ''Exile's Valor'' (2003)
** ''The Arrows Trilogy'': Arrow's / Arrow's X:
*** ''Arrows of the Queen'' (1987)
*** ''Arrow's Flight'' (1987)
*** ''Arrow's Fall'' (1988)
** ''Mage Winds'': Winds of X:
*** ''Winds of Fate'' (1991)
*** ''Winds of Change'' (1992)
*** ''Winds of Fury'' (1993)
** ''Mage Storms'': Storm X:
*** ''Storm Warning'' (1994)
*** ''Storm Rising'' (1995)
*** ''Storm Breaking'' (1996)
** ''The Owl Trilogy (Darian's Tale)'': Owl-X {{Portmantitle}}s:
*** ''Owlflight'' (1997)
*** ''Owlsight'' (1998)
*** ''Owlknight'' (1999)
* IdiotBall: Near the end of the Mage Winds trilogy, Elspeth, princess of Valdemar, goes undercover in enemy territory. Among the weapons she brings? A knife emblazoned with the Valdemaran crest. A ''throwing'' knife. Which she uses for its intended purpose, on an envoy of the Eastern Empire -- just as he's [[TeleportersAndTransporters [[{{Teleportation}} Gating]] back home. As one of her companions notes, "very subtle, Elspeth."



* IfItTastesBadItMustBeGoodForYou: Valdemaran Healers bounce back and forth between averting this trope and playing it straight

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* IfItTastesBadItMustBeGoodForYou: Valdemaran Healers bounce back and forth between averting this trope and playing it straightstraight:



* KidsAreCruel: Talia and Lavan Firestorm both catch a lot of this.

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24th Apr '18 8:55:36 AM Rain-dancer
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30th Mar '18 11:46:18 AM JoieDeCombat
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* ThereAreNoTherapists:
** ''Should'' be averted by the [=MindHealers=], who are portrayed as the competent type of TheShrink with psychic powers backing them up. In practice, every [=MindHealer=] at Healers' Collegium completely misses the fact that Mags is borderline-suicidal [[note]]at least one Amazon review of ''Intrigues'' puts a [[TraumaButton trigger warning]] on the book [[/note]].
** The Collegium rather consistently fails to provide adequate therapy for young Heralds. Many new-Chosen are teenagers with [[DarkAndTroubledPast Dark And Troubled Pasts]], complete with lingering mental trauma, who are now expected to deal with an accelerated educational curriculum and their emergent PsychicPowers as well as the usual turmoil of adolescence, and ''nobody'' thinks to ensure that they get so much as a single session with the [=MindHealers=] during their five-year educational period. This has led to several spectacular meltdowns on the part of Heralds, most notably Tylendel, Lavan Firestorm, and Talia. [[MindlinkMates Lifebonds]] sort out most of the really bad cases, but when they fail (or aren't suited for the problem at hand), the results can lead to tragedy.
** However, what tends to get missed is that [=MindHealers=] are actually ''incredibly rare''. Healers, with the Healing Gift, are relatively common. Empathy is quite rare in itself, and almost always seen with the Healing Gift, as a much weaker, secondary ability. In the canon novels, there's only been one Herald-Healer. During her training, Talia is the only Empathic Herald in living memory (which is the main reason for Talia's meltdown; the Herald responsible for training Communication Gifts, Ylsa, is murdered before she can get Talia the extended training she needs). But [=MindHealing=] requires ''projective'' Empathy. For all the 'present-day' novels (the Arrows trilogy through to the Owl trilogy) there's only two confirmed Empaths with the projective ability,[[note]]In the Owl trilogy, Keisha's sister is Chosen; Shandi later reveals she has Empathy, and needed to be trained by Talia herself. However, Shandi doesn't mention whether her Gift is projective as well as receptive, and the Owl trilogy takes place at least twelve years after Arrows[[/note]] at least in Haven; one of them is Talia herself, the other a Healer named Renee who shows up in the Arrows trilogy, implied to be the same age as or younger than Talia, and she has to spend most of her time and energy on extremely traumatised patients. There simply isn't enough people with the right Gift or training to keep an eye on everyone; this is why the Monarch's Own Herald usually winds up ministering to half the Heraldic circle as well - it's implied that Talia's Empathy means she does this even more frequently and at a younger age than most.

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* ThereAreNoTherapists:
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ThereAreNoTherapists: ''Should'' be averted by the [=MindHealers=], who are portrayed as the competent type of TheShrink with psychic powers backing them up. In practice, every [=MindHealer=] at Healers' Collegium completely misses the fact that Mags is borderline-suicidal [[note]]at least one Amazon review of ''Intrigues'' puts a [[TraumaButton trigger warning]] on the book [[/note]].
** The
Collegium rather consistently fails to provide adequate therapy for young Heralds. Many new-Chosen are teenagers with [[DarkAndTroubledPast Dark And Troubled Pasts]], complete with lingering mental trauma, who are now expected to deal with an accelerated educational curriculum and their emergent PsychicPowers as well as the usual turmoil of adolescence, and ''nobody'' thinks to ensure that they get so much as a single session with the adolescence; while [=MindHealers=] during are notably rare, there doesn't seem to be any other policies in place at the Collegium or within the Heraldic Circle to make sure that trainees receive counseling to help them through such a volatile stage of their five-year educational period. lives. This has led to several spectacular meltdowns on the part of Heralds, most notably Tylendel, Lavan Firestorm, Talia, and Talia. Mags[[note]]at least one Amazon review of ''Intrigues'' puts a [[TraumaButton trigger warning]] on the book[[/note]]. [[MindlinkMates Lifebonds]] sort out most of the really bad cases, but when they fail (or aren't suited for the problem at hand), the results can lead to tragedy.
** However, what tends to get missed is that [=MindHealers=] are actually ''incredibly rare''. Healers, with the Healing Gift, are relatively common. Empathy is quite rare in itself, and almost always seen with the Healing Gift, as a much weaker, secondary ability. In the canon novels, there's only been one Herald-Healer. During her training, Talia is the only Empathic Herald in living memory (which is the main reason for Talia's meltdown; the Herald responsible for training Communication Gifts, Ylsa, is murdered before she can get Talia the extended training she needs). But [=MindHealing=] requires ''projective'' Empathy. For all the 'present-day' novels (the Arrows trilogy through to the Owl trilogy) there's only two confirmed Empaths with the projective ability,[[note]]In the Owl trilogy, Keisha's sister is Chosen; Shandi later reveals she has Empathy, and needed to be trained by Talia herself. However, Shandi doesn't mention whether her Gift is projective as well as receptive, and the Owl trilogy takes place at least twelve years after Arrows[[/note]] at least in Haven; one of them is Talia herself, the other a Healer named Renee who shows up in the Arrows trilogy, implied to be the same age as or younger than Talia, and she has to spend most of her time and energy on extremely traumatised patients. There simply isn't enough people with the right Gift or training to keep an eye on everyone; this is why the Monarch's Own Herald usually winds up ministering to half the Heraldic circle as well - it's implied that Talia's Empathy means she does this even more frequently and at a younger age than most.
tragedy.
30th Mar '18 11:38:09 AM VanessaTaleweaver
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** However, what tends to get missed is that [=MindHealers=] are actually ''incredibly rare''. Healers, with the Healing Gift, are relatively common. Empathy is quite rare in itself, and almost always seen with the Healing Gift, as a much weaker, secondary ability. In the canon novels, there's only been one Herald-Healer. During her training, Talia is the only Empathic Herald in living memory (which is the main reason for Talia's meltdown; the Herald responsible for training Communication Gifts, Ylsa, is murdered before she can get Talia the extended training she needs). But [=MindHealing=] requires ''projective'' Empathy. For all the 'present-day' novels (the Arrows trilogy through to the Owl trilogy) there's only two confirmed Empaths with the projective ability,[[note]]In the Owl trilogy, Keisha's sister is Chosen; Shandi later reveals she has Empathy, and needed to be trained by Talia herself. However, Shandi doesn't mention whether her Gift is projective as well as receptive, and the Owl trilogy takes place at least twelve years after Arrows[[/note]] at least in Haven; one of them is Talia herself, the other a Healer named Renee who shows up in the Arrows trilogy, implied to be the same age as or younger than Talia, and she has to spend most of her time and energy on extremely traumatised patients. There simply isn't enough people with the right Gift or training to keep an eye on everyone; this is why the Monarch's Own Herald usually winds up ministering to half the Heraldic circle as well - it's implied that Talia's Empathy means she does this even more frequently and at a younger age than most.
30th Mar '18 9:56:42 AM VanessaTaleweaver
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** interesting variant with Mags. He's been kidnapped by two agents of the Assassin society his parents defected from; after putting Mags in a smoke-induced trance, (implied to be the local equivalent of hashish) some kind of magical technique is used to implant memories copied from others in the Sleepgiver cult, which is meant to overwrite his morals and loyalties to convert him to the Sleepgivers while leaving his personality more or less intact. It doesn't work mostly because of Mags' bond to Dallen, and to a certain extent his Mindspeaking training. It does, however, leave him with the memories, so Mags now possesses a great deal of potentially lethal and dangerous knowledge.


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** played with for Mags and Dallen. Mags is an unusually strong Mindspeaker, being trained as a master spy. Thanks to his Sleepgiver memories (see MindRape) he comes up with ideas for some highly effective techniques of dubious morality, which in the right circumstances could mean the difference between life and death. In discussing this with Dallen, Mags is wondering when the needs/end justifies using them. Dallen immediately replies (paraphrased) "Trust in me. If things get that bad, I'll give you permission."
19th Mar '18 8:25:13 AM Antigone3
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* IfItTastesBadItMustBeGoodForYou: Valdemaran Healers bounce back and forth between averting this trope and playing it straight
** The standard herbal medicine for overstraining one's psychic abilities tastes absolutely horrid. Most Healers will provide a "chaser" with no medical properties but which will clear the taste out of a patient's mouth; one character who needs the potion because he just invoked WhatAnIdiot gets the potion but ''not'' the palate-cleanser.
** At one point in the ''Collegium Chronicles'', Mags has a huge fight with Healer-Trainee Bear, then a few chapters later needs medical treatment. Bear tells him that while Mags had some good points, he's getting medicines made with the worst-tasting alternatives Bear could find as payback.
** In an aversion, when Karal collapses from stress and overwork, he's assured that potions for stomach ulcers are deliberately made to be tasty (it's the only way to get people who need them to take them).
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