History Literature / HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix

23rd Nov '16 6:48:53 PM gjjones
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* BothSidesHaveAPoint: WordOfGod may have felt NoSympathy for what happened to [[spoiler: Marietta, courtesy, of Hermione]], but both Harry and Cho make very good points during their last fight about [[spoiler: Marietta selling out the DA]].

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* BothSidesHaveAPoint: WordOfGod Rowling may have felt NoSympathy for what happened to [[spoiler: Marietta, courtesy, of Hermione]], but both Harry and Cho make very good points during their last fight about [[spoiler: Marietta selling out the DA]].



** According to WordOfGod, the quill was ''invented by Umbridge''.

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** According to WordOfGod, Rowling, the quill was ''invented by Umbridge''.



* MildlyMilitary: The Order. Despite fighting against a powerful dark wizard with mind control they employ very few precautions besides the Fidelius charm. Among other examples, Moody comes to escort Harry, then realizes that he has no way of confirming Harry's identity besides using Veritaserum, which WordOfGod confirms is unreliable against a prepared dark wizard.

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* MildlyMilitary: The Order. Despite fighting against a powerful dark wizard with mind control they employ very few precautions besides the Fidelius charm. Among other examples, Moody comes to escort Harry, then realizes that he has no way of confirming Harry's identity besides using Veritaserum, which WordOfGod Rowling confirms is unreliable against a prepared dark wizard.



* NiceToTheWaiter: Sirius fails to live up to the advice he gave the trio in the last book. He has nothing against house-elves in general, but can't stand the way Kreacher constantly parrots the beliefs of the family he hated. WordOfGod herself stated this particular trait of Sirius in her official website.

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* NiceToTheWaiter: Sirius fails to live up to the advice he gave the trio in the last book. He has nothing against house-elves in general, but can't stand the way Kreacher constantly parrots the beliefs of the family he hated. WordOfGod Rowling herself stated this particular trait of Sirius in her official website.



** An unintentional one that demonstrates what happens when you train readers to stop a ChekhovsGunman. Early on in the book, Dudley brags about having beat up a boy by the name of Mark Evans. Later, "Evans" is revealed to be the maiden name of Harry's mother, Lily. WordOfGod states that she made up a name on the fly for the less-important character and didn't notice the issue until fans started trying to connect the two.

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** An unintentional one that demonstrates what happens when you train readers to stop a ChekhovsGunman. Early on in the book, Dudley brags about having beat up a boy by the name of Mark Evans. Later, "Evans" is revealed to be the maiden name of Harry's mother, Lily. WordOfGod Rowling states that she made up a name on the fly for the less-important character and didn't notice the issue until fans started trying to connect the two.



* TimeTravel: No one time travels in this book, but there was time travel in book 3. Notice how Rowling has an errant spell hit the case filled with time turners? WordOfGod says this destroyed the contents of the case that this was to ensure the reader knew she wasn't going to use TimeTravel as an AssPull in any of the final books. And a good thing, too - would you want ''Voldemort'' to have a time turner?

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* TimeTravel: No one time travels in this book, but there was time travel in book 3. Notice how Rowling has an errant spell hit the case filled with time turners? WordOfGod Rowling says this destroyed the contents of the case that this was to ensure the reader knew she wasn't going to use TimeTravel as an AssPull in any of the final books. And a good thing, too - would you want ''Voldemort'' to have a time turner?
16th Oct '16 11:24:18 PM DastardlyDemolition
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* EveryoneIsRelated: In this book, we belatedly find out that Sirius Black, Draco Malfoy and Bellatrix Lestrange are all cousins, and that Arthur Weasley is a distant relative of all of them. Eagle-eyed readers might have noted that the first three characters are all [[StellarThemeNaming named after constellations]]

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* EveryoneIsRelated: In this book, we belatedly find out that Sirius Black, Draco Malfoy and Bellatrix Lestrange are all cousins, and that Arthur Weasley is a distant relative of all of them. Eagle-eyed readers might have noted that the first three characters are all [[StellarThemeNaming named after constellations]]constellations]], save for Bellatrix which is a star in the Orion constellation.



** Ginny is more present in this book than in the previous four combined, and often makes Cho look bad.

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** Ginny is more present in this book than in the previous four combined, and often makes Cho look bad. It's Ginny's idea of "Dumbledore's Army" that is used, instead of Cho's more generic "Defense Association" and she's usually the one who snaps Harry out of his numerous funks over the course of the book, including when he's convinced he's being possessed by Voldemort. She ''has'' been possessed by him, and could have told Harry exactly what it felt like, if he'd bothered to ask. And the tender scene in the library as the two share candy together. And the line "Ginny got the Snitch right out from under [Cho's] nose" Could it be more obvious?



** "Ginny got the Snitch right out from under [Cho's] nose" Could it be more obvious?
** Also, it's Ginny's idea of "Dumbledore's Army" that is used, instead of Cho's more generic "Defense Association".
** And she's usually the one who snaps Harry out of his numerous funks over the course of the book, including when he's convinced he's being possessed by Voldemort. She ''has'' been possessed by him, and could have told Harry exactly what it felt like, if he'd bothered to ask.
** And the tender scene in the library as the two share candy together.
6th Oct '16 4:11:02 PM DustSnitch
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** Neville's {{Badass}} tendencies begin to show as well.

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** Neville's {{Badass}} tendencies begin Neville begins to really show as well.his Gryffindor merit, especially in the final battle. Besides Harry, Neville is the only member of Dumbledore's Army to escape the Department of Mysteries in one piece.
5th Oct '16 5:23:38 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** A minor example with major consequences: Harry forgetting Snape's membership in the Order. ([[GenreSavvy He calls himself on it too.]])

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** A minor example with major consequences: Harry forgetting Snape's membership in the Order. ([[GenreSavvy He (He calls himself on it too.]]))



* ScottyTime: Umbridge apparently thinks brewing Veritaserum works this way. [[SubvertedTrope It doesn't,]] Snape informs her it needs a full cycle of the moon to brew and therefore would take at least a month. In both the movie and book she depleted Snape's stock herself; in the book by putting the entire vial in Harry's tea [[GenreSavvy (which he is intelligent enough not to drink)]] while she's interrogating him, and in the movie by interrogating every student in the school. It's revealed in the movie that the reason that the DA is found out is that she uses it on Cho, forcing her to give up the location of the Room of Requirement.

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* ScottyTime: Umbridge apparently thinks brewing Veritaserum works this way. [[SubvertedTrope It doesn't,]] Snape informs her it needs a full cycle of the moon to brew and therefore would take at least a month. In both the movie and book she depleted Snape's stock herself; in the book by putting the entire vial in Harry's tea [[GenreSavvy (which he is intelligent enough not to drink)]] drink) while she's interrogating him, and in the movie by interrogating every student in the school. It's revealed in the movie that the reason that the DA is found out is that she uses it on Cho, forcing her to give up the location of the Room of Requirement.
8th Sep '16 9:14:46 PM DustSnitch
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* AscendedExtra: Mrs. Figg, the CrazyCatLady glimpsed briefly in ''Philosopher's Stone'' turns out [[spoiler:to be a Squib -- a mundane child of magical parents, who retains the ability to see the magical world -- and to have been keeping an eye on Harry for years.)]]
* AssholeVictim: Umbridge becomes this when she is kidnapped by a pack of centaurs after foolishly insulting them to their faces. [[spoiler:They don't actually kill her, but whatever it is that they did was very nasty and the experience left Umbridge traumatized.]]

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* AscendedExtra: Mrs. Figg, the CrazyCatLady glimpsed briefly in ''Philosopher's Stone'' turns out [[spoiler:to to be a Squib -- a mundane child of magical parents, who retains the ability to see the magical world -- and to have been keeping an eye on Harry for years.)]]
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* AssholeVictim: Umbridge becomes this when she is kidnapped by a pack of centaurs after foolishly insulting them to their faces. [[spoiler:They They don't actually kill her, but whatever it is that they did was very nasty and the experience left Umbridge traumatized.]]



** Saying [[spoiler: Percy's]] name in front of Mr. and Mrs. Weasley after [[spoiler: Percy's explosive argument with his father over the summer and his betrayal of the family]]. Mention his name and Arthur breaks whatever's he's holding while Molly starts crying.

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** Saying [[spoiler: Percy's]] Percy's name in front of Mr. and Mrs. Weasley after [[spoiler: Percy's explosive argument with his father over the summer and his betrayal of the family]].family. Mention his name and Arthur breaks whatever's he's holding while Molly starts crying.



** Twice in a row: Harry and his friends are saved from the Death Eaters by members [[TheCavalry of the Order]] (Sirius, Lupin, Tonks, Kingsley, and [[spoiler:the real]] Mad-Eye Moody), then when the Death Eaters appear to gain the upper hand over the Order, Dumbledore himself arrives and saves the day, rounding up most of the Death Eaters within a matter of seconds.

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** Twice in a row: Harry and his friends are saved from the Death Eaters by members [[TheCavalry of the Order]] (Sirius, Lupin, Tonks, Kingsley, and [[spoiler:the real]] Mad-Eye Moody), then when the Death Eaters appear to gain the upper hand over the Order, Dumbledore himself arrives and saves the day, rounding up most of the Death Eaters within a matter of seconds.



* BigShutUp: Mrs Weasley [[spoiler:when Fred, George and Ginny won't stop chanting "He got off, he got off, he got off..."]].

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* BigShutUp: Mrs Weasley [[spoiler:when when Fred, George and Ginny won't stop chanting "He got off, he got off, he got off..."]]." after Harry's trial.



** Trelawney's prediction that Umbridge would be in grave danger. [[spoiler:Fulfilled by a herd of angry centaurs]].

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** Trelawney's prediction that Umbridge would be in grave danger. [[spoiler:Fulfilled Fulfilled by a herd of angry centaurs]].centaurs.



* BrokenRecord / HappyDance: [[spoiler: "He got off, he got off, he got off..."]]

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* BrokenRecord / HappyDance: [[spoiler: "He got off, he got off, he got off..."]]"



* CallingTheOldManOut: A non-heroic version occurs when [[spoiler: Percy Weasley gets into a shouting match with his father during the hiatus between Books 4 and 5. During the fight, Percy blames his father for their family's poverty and a lousy reputation he's had to fight against since joining the Ministry. He vows to end his association with their family in order to protect himself from what he views as their foolish support of Dumbledore]].

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* CallingTheOldManOut: A non-heroic version occurs when [[spoiler: Percy Weasley gets into a shouting match with his father during the hiatus between Books 4 and 5. During the fight, Percy blames his father for their family's poverty and a lousy reputation he's had to fight against since joining the Ministry. He vows to end his association with their family in order to protect himself from what he views as their foolish support of Dumbledore]].Dumbledore.



* CardboardPrison: Voldemort manages to [[spoiler:turn Azkaban from TheAlcatraz to this]]. Of course it helps when every guard is not-so-secretly on his side.

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* CardboardPrison: Voldemort manages to [[spoiler:turn turn Azkaban from TheAlcatraz to this]].this. Of course it helps when every guard is not-so-secretly on his side.



** Hermione: [[spoiler: severely injured by Antonin Dolohov.]]
** Ron: [[spoiler: hit with an unknown curse that causes him to laugh at everything, then is entangled by the brains when he summons one.]]
** Ginny: [[spoiler: ankle broken, then shot in the face by a Stunning Spell.]]
** Luna: [[spoiler: shot with a spell by Death Eaters.]]
** Neville: [[spoiler: nose and wand broken, but the only member besides Harry who remains conscious.]]

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** Hermione: [[spoiler: severely Severely injured by Antonin Dolohov.]]
Dolohov.
** Ron: [[spoiler: hit Hit with an unknown curse that causes him to laugh at everything, then is entangled by the brains when he summons one.]]
one.
** Ginny: [[spoiler: ankle Ankle broken, then shot in the face by a Stunning Spell.]]
Spell.
** Luna: [[spoiler: shot Shot with a spell by Death Eaters.]]
Eaters.
** Neville: [[spoiler: nose Nose and wand broken, but the only member besides Harry who remains conscious.]]



* FantasticRacism: Umbridge hates "filthy half-breeds". Bonus points to JKR, because in the seventh book [[spoiler:this turns out to be a very good theoretical reason for Umbridge's hatred of Muggle-borns]]. It can easily be taken as foreshadowing her later actions.

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* FantasticRacism: Umbridge hates "filthy half-breeds". Bonus points to JKR, half-breeds" and is quite intent of firing Hagrid because of this prejudice, and its implied she does take stock in the seventh book [[spoiler:this turns out to be a very good theoretical reason for Umbridge's hatred idea of Muggle-borns]]. It can easily be taken as foreshadowing her later actions.blood purity.



** The entire Inquisitorial Squad [[spoiler:suffers AmusingInjuries, but they don't receive any punishment for acting like Umbridge's SecretPolice and engaging in active torture. In fact, their points removal last through the end of the year so that McGonagall has to add points for Snape to want to deduct.]]

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** The entire Inquisitorial Squad [[spoiler:suffers suffers AmusingInjuries, but they don't receive any punishment for acting like Umbridge's SecretPolice and engaging in active torture. In fact, their points removal last through the end of the year so that McGonagall has to add points for Snape to want to deduct.]]



** Kreacher is never punished for his betrayal of Sirius and alliance with the Death Eaters, which ultimately leads to the latter's death.

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** Kreacher is never punished for his betrayal of Sirius blatantly lying to Harry and alliance with the Death Eaters, which ultimately leads leading to the latter's death.book's central CharacterDeath.



** "Christmas on the Closed Ward". The chapter starts with Molly and Arthur bickering, moves on to [[spoiler:memoryless Gilderoy Lockhart]], both of which are funny and/or heartwarming, then ends with the trio and Ginny meeting [[spoiler: Neville and his parents, who have been tortured into insanity, to the point they can't even recognise him.]]

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** "Christmas on the Closed Ward". The chapter starts with Molly and Arthur bickering, moves on to [[spoiler:memoryless memoryless Gilderoy Lockhart]], Lockhart, both of which are funny and/or heartwarming, then ends with the trio and Ginny meeting [[spoiler: Neville and his parents, who have been tortured into insanity, to the point they can't even recognise him.]]



* OnlySaneMan: Madame Bones compared to the rest of the Ministry. [[spoiler:Pity she's dead now.]]

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* OnlySaneMan: Madame Bones compared to the rest of the Ministry. [[spoiler:Pity she's dead now.]]



* PrisonBreak: Part of the plot when Voldemort [[spoiler:breaks a number of death eaters out of Azkaban]]. Most notably, Bellatrix Lestrange.

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* PrisonBreak: Part of the plot when Voldemort [[spoiler:breaks breaks a number of death eaters Death Eaters out of Azkaban]].Azkaban. Most notably, Bellatrix Lestrange.



* SurpriseWitness: [[spoiler:Mrs. Figg]] during Harry's trial.

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* SurpriseWitness: [[spoiler:Mrs. Figg]] Mrs. Figg during Harry's trial.



* TimeTravel: No one time travels in this book, but there was time travel in book 3. Notice how Rowling has an errant spell hit the case filled with time turners? WordOfGod says this destroyed the contents of the case that this was to ensure the reader knew she wasn't going to use TimeTravel as an AssPull in any of the final books. [[spoiler: And a good thing, too - would you want ''Voldemort'' to have a time turner?]]

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* TimeTravel: No one time travels in this book, but there was time travel in book 3. Notice how Rowling has an errant spell hit the case filled with time turners? WordOfGod says this destroyed the contents of the case that this was to ensure the reader knew she wasn't going to use TimeTravel as an AssPull in any of the final books. [[spoiler: And a good thing, too - would you want ''Voldemort'' to have a time turner?]]turner?
8th Sep '16 8:59:30 PM DustSnitch
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* AnchoredShip: Harry and Cho. Her [[spoiler:emotional issues over Cedric's death]] make it too difficult for her to be in a relationship. The end result is a [[AnchoredShip Type 2A]]. Not to mention that Harry, at that point in time, didn't have the emotional maturity to try and work Cho through her problems -- instead, he gets angry at her for [[spoiler:always wanting to talk about Cedric]], which made things a lot more difficult for them. HarsherInHindsight, in that if they had both waited until they were both more stable emotionally, they could have gotten together and had a happy relationship.

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* AnchoredShip: Harry and Cho. Her [[spoiler:emotional emotional issues over Cedric's death]] death make it too difficult for her to be in a relationship. The end result is a [[AnchoredShip Type 2A]]. Not to mention that Harry, at that point in time, didn't have the emotional maturity to try and work Cho through her problems -- instead, he gets angry at her for [[spoiler:always always wanting to talk about Cedric]], Cedric, which made things a lot more difficult for them. HarsherInHindsight, in that if they had both waited until they were both more stable emotionally, they could have gotten together and had a happy relationship.



* TheFirstCutIsTheDeepest: Cho has a lot of difficulty being able to have a relationship with Harry due to [[spoiler:Cedric's death]]. Harry also has to deal with this after Cho breaks up with him.

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* TheFirstCutIsTheDeepest: Cho has a lot of difficulty being able to have a relationship with Harry due to [[spoiler:Cedric's death]].Cedric's death. Harry also has to deal with this after Cho breaks up with him.
1st Sep '16 11:05:39 AM DustSnitch
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* KilledOffForReal: A main character dies in the climax, and doesn't come back in the form of a ghost, portrait, Priori Incantum shade or Pensieve memory. This devastates Harry, and its only furthered when Nearly Headless Nick emphasizes that even if the character did return by any of these methods, it would only be a pale imitation of the original.
31st Aug '16 2:47:53 PM DustSnitch
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* AnonymousKillerNarrator: An in-universe example. Harry has ominous dreams of some type of creature trying to break into the Department of Mysteries. It turns out to be Voldemort's pet snake, Nagini, and occurs as a the result of Harry's magical connection to the Dark Lord.
21st Aug '16 9:29:50 PM jamespolk
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* HaveAGayOldTime: A most unusual and anachronistic use of "ejaculate" in its old meaning of "exclaim."
--> "We're not going to use magic?", Ron ejaculated loudly.
10th Aug '16 4:39:58 AM NoxSky12599
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** Luna: [[spoiler: shot by Death Eaters.]]

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** Luna: [[spoiler: shot with a spell by Death Eaters.]]
** Neville: [[spoiler: nose and wand broken, but the only member besides Harry who remains conscious.
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