History Literature / BooksOfSamuel

8th Feb '17 6:50:23 PM Jeduthun
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* NonindicativeName: Samuel figures prominently in the first book, but he dies in chapter 25 and (obviously) doesn't appear at all in 2 Samuel, which is all about David's reign

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* NonindicativeName: Samuel figures prominently in the first book, but he dies in chapter 25 and (obviously) doesn't appear at all in 2 Samuel, which is all about David's reign reign.
8th Feb '17 2:18:48 PM Bassball_Batman
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* AllCrimesAreEqual: In part of Samuel's harsh rebuke to Saul's incomplete genocide and rejection as King of Israel, he states in I Samuel 15:23 that rebellion is just as sinful as witchcraft, and stubbornness is just as evil as idolatry. [[note]]However, Saul ''did'' consult a witch after rebelling against God, and stubbornness against God is putting yourself over Him ergo idolatry.[[/note]]

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* AllCrimesAreEqual: In part of Samuel's harsh rebuke to Saul's incomplete genocide and rejection as King of Israel, he states in I Samuel 15:23 that rebellion is just as sinful as witchcraft, and stubbornness is just as evil as idolatry. [[note]]However, Saul ''did'' consult a witch after rebelling against God, and stubbornness against God is putting yourself over Him Him, ergo idolatry.[[/note]]



* AndThatLittleGirlWasMe: Nathan tells David a story about a rich man who stole a poor man's pet lamb. But when David expresses outrage, Nathan reveals that the rich man was an allegory for David's UriahGambit and lays down the TheReasonYouSuckSpeech.

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* AndThatLittleGirlWasMe: Nathan tells David a story about a rich man who stole a poor man's pet lamb. But when David expresses outrage, Nathan reveals that the rich man was an allegory for David's UriahGambit and lays down the his TheReasonYouSuckSpeech.



* CombatPragmatist: David defeats his massive and well-equipped foe by shooting him in the face from a distance.

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* CombatPragmatist: David defeats his massive and well-equipped foe by shooting pegging him in the face from a distance.



* DisproportionateRetribution: Saul getting rejected as king just because he did some of Samuel's duties may seem like this but remember that the high priest makes sure the king does God's commands to the letter. Saul tries to bypass this and concentrate all power on himself. He was a tyrant in the making.
* DreamTeam[=/=]BadassCrew: David assembles an elite squad of [[BadassIsraeli thirty "mighty men"]] to be his personal guard. All of them had impressive achievements in battle, including one who killed 800 Philistines in one day, one who singlehandedly defended an entire field, and one who "killed a lion in a pit on a snowy day."
* DrivenToSuicide: Saul, eventually. And Ahithophel, when Absalom prefers to take Hushai's advice as for what to do with King David over his own.

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* DisproportionateRetribution: The rejection of Saul getting rejected as king just because he did just for doing some of Samuel's duties may seem like this at the outset, but remember it must be noted that the high priest makes sure the king does God's commands to the letter. Saul tries to bypass this and concentrate all power on himself. He was a tyrant in the making.
* DreamTeam[=/=]BadassCrew: David assembles an elite squad of [[BadassIsraeli thirty "mighty men"]] to be his personal guard. All of them had impressive achievements in battle, including one who killed 800 Philistines in one day, one who singlehandedly single-handedly defended an entire field, and one who "killed a lion in a pit on a snowy day."
* DrivenToSuicide: Saul, eventually. And Ahithophel, when Absalom prefers to take Hushai's seeks advice as for what to do with King David David, and prefer's Hushai's advice over his own.



* TheEvilPrince: David's sons Amnon (raped his half-sister) and Absalom (led a rebellion).

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* TheEvilPrince: David's sons Amnon (raped his half-sister) and Absalom (led a rebellion). Later Adonijah, a much less overt and more underhanded type.



** As David tried to bring the Ark on a cart into Jerusalem and the oxen stumbled, Uzzah touched the Ark to keep it from falling off and was struck dead for doing so.

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** As David tried to bring the Ark on a cart into Jerusalem and the oxen stumbled, Uzzah touched used his hand to steady the Ark to keep lest it from falling fall off the cart, and he was promptly struck dead for doing so.



** To elaborate, the Philistines promised that they would not go to war with Israel if the Jews destroyed all of their weapons, the Jews, being TooDumbToLive complied. Needless to say, [[DidNotThinkThisThrough they regretted their decision almost immediately.]]

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** To elaborate, the Philistines promised that they would not go to war with Israel if the Jews destroyed all of their weapons, the weapons. The Jews, being TooDumbToLive TooDumbToLive, complied. Needless to say, [[DidNotThinkThisThrough they regretted their decision almost immediately.]]immediately]].



* RejectedApology: Saul repents to God for the incomplete genocide of the Amalekites, but Samuel informs him that God won't accept it and has now rejected him as King of Israel.

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* RejectedApology: Saul repents to God for the incomplete leaving Amalekite genocide of the Amalekites, incomplete, but Samuel informs him that God won't accept it and has now rejected him as King of Israel.



** David [[YourCheatingHeart commits adultery with Bathseba]] and then pulls off his infamous UriahGambit. As a punishment, the son of that adultery dies, but later they have another son: Solomon. David is also cursed with war and public shame, which results in the deaths of two of his other sons (they probably [[EvilPrince deserved it]] though, but David is still [[HeroicBSOD crushed]]).

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** David [[YourCheatingHeart commits adultery with Bathseba]] Bathsheba]] and then pulls off his infamous UriahGambit. As a punishment, the son of that adultery dies, but later they have another son: Solomon. David is also cursed with war and public shame, which results in the deaths of two of his other sons (they sons. (And though they probably [[EvilPrince deserved it]] though, but it]], David is still [[HeroicBSOD crushed]]).crushed]].)



** Eli's sons sucking leads the way for Samuel to become the priest; then, Samuel's just as terrible sons lead the way to Saul being crowned.
** Saul sees Jonathan as this, since Jonathan cares more about his friendship with David than the throne, but being the suck-sessor to a terrible king is hardly a bad thing.

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** Eli's sons sucking leads the way for Samuel to become the priest; priest[[note]]and, to add in the irony, unlike Eli in Aaron's priestly line, Samuel descended from the infamous Korah[[/note]]; then, Samuel's just as terrible just-as-terrible sons lead the way to Saul being crowned.
** Saul sees Jonathan as this, since Jonathan cares more about his friendship with David than the throne, throne; but being the suck-sessor to a terrible king is hardly a bad thing.



* VillainHasAPoint: After Absalom's rebellion fails because Joab kills him despite David's explicit orders to the contrary, David becomes extremely sad and the story clearly expects us to feel sympathy for the man who just lost one of his sons. Joab goes to his uncle and tells him to [[GetAHoldOfYourselfMan man up and behave like a king should]], [[QuitYourWhining stop crying like a child]] and criticizes him to the face how he constantly constantly shows goodwill to people who try to harm him while [[UngratefulBastard showing no gratitude to those who faithfully serve him]]. Not even the narrative denies that Joab, morally ambiguous as he is, has something of a point by now, especially since David does just what his nephew tells him afterwards.

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* VillainHasAPoint: After Absalom's rebellion fails because Joab kills him because, despite David's explicit orders to he be spared, Joab kills the contrary, rebel, David becomes extremely sad and the story clearly expects us to feel sympathy for the man who just lost one of his sons. Joab goes to his uncle and tells him to [[GetAHoldOfYourselfMan man up and behave like a king should]], should]] and [[QuitYourWhining stop crying like a child]] child]], and criticizes him to the his face how he constantly constantly shows goodwill to people who try to harm him while [[UngratefulBastard showing no gratitude to those who faithfully serve him]]. Not even the narrative denies that Joab, morally ambiguous as he is, has something of a point by now, especially since David does just what his nephew tells him afterwards.
8th Feb '17 1:33:42 PM Jeduthun
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* NonIndicitaveName: Samuel figures prominently in the first book, but he dies in chapter 25 and (obviously) doesn't appear at all in 2 Samuel, which is all about David's reign

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* NonIndicitaveName: NonindicativeName: Samuel figures prominently in the first book, but he dies in chapter 25 and (obviously) doesn't appear at all in 2 Samuel, which is all about David's reign reign
8th Feb '17 1:33:11 PM Jeduthun
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* BurnTheWitch: When he became king, Saul was noted for executing witches among the Israelites. Later on, though, he proved to be a {{hypocrite}} by consulting the Witch of Endor to find out about his fate in battle.


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* MaybeMagicMaybeMundane: The Witch of Endor calls up the spirit of Samuel from the grave, and he speaks in a disembodied voice, revealing the disguised Saul's identity and prophesying his defeat. Or did she? Some scholars have observed that the apparition as described would be very easy to fake with the help of a bit of clever ventriloquism, and it wouldn't exactly take supernatural aid to deduce that the disguised man was in fact the king known for being the tallest of all the Israelites. When read with that in mind, the text is actually rather cagey on the point of whether a spirit genuinely appeared. [[BrokenBase Interpreters are divided]] as to what might have really happened.


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* NonIndicitaveName: Samuel figures prominently in the first book, but he dies in chapter 25 and (obviously) doesn't appear at all in 2 Samuel, which is all about David's reign
27th Dec '16 7:45:34 AM longWriter
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* TwentyBearAsses: UrExample, 100 Philistine [[GroinAttack foreskins]].

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* TwentyBearAsses: UrExample, 100 Philistine [[GroinAttack foreskins]]. [[UpToEleven David brought back 200]].


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* TheWisePrince: Prince Jonathan proves to be a wiser and more caring ruler than his father King Saul, and the earlier stories involving him tend to be optimistic...until his TragicBromance with to-be-king David [[FromBadToWorse kicks in]]...
26th Dec '16 6:19:05 PM nombretomado
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** TropeNamer. Goliath was more or less ancient history's AndreTheGiant -- some translations put him at ''nine feet tall!'' David, meanwhile, was hammered home as the runt of his family, the youngest of ten siblings and not much older than 18 when Goliath bellowed his challenge to Saul's army.

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** TropeNamer. Goliath was more or less ancient history's AndreTheGiant Wrestling/AndreTheGiant -- some translations put him at ''nine feet tall!'' David, meanwhile, was hammered home as the runt of his family, the youngest of ten siblings and not much older than 18 when Goliath bellowed his challenge to Saul's army.
30th Nov '16 2:42:09 AM Mhazard
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* ThisIsForEmphasisBitch: Courtesy of King Saul, and the first recorded "Son of a Bitch!" in human history.
-->"You ''son of a perverse, rebellious woman''! I know that you side with the son of Jesse—to your shame, and to the shame of your mother's nakedness!"

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* ThisIsForEmphasisBitch: Courtesy of King Saul, and the first recorded "Son of a Bitch!" example in human history.
-->"You ''son '''son of a perverse, rebellious woman''! woman'''! I know that you side with the son of Jesse—to your shame, and to the shame of your mother's nakedness!"
30th Nov '16 2:41:19 AM Mhazard
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* ThisIsForEmphasisBitch: Courtesy of King Saul, and the UrExample of B-word in human history.

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* ThisIsForEmphasisBitch: Courtesy of King Saul, and the UrExample first recorded "Son of B-word a Bitch!" in human history.
30th Nov '16 2:40:25 AM Mhazard
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* ThisIsForEmphasisBitch: Courtesy of King Saul, and the UrExample of B-word in human history.
-->"You ''son of a perverse, rebellious woman''! I know that you side with the son of Jesse—to your shame, and to the shame of your mother's nakedness!"



* UnusualEuphemism: Many English translations have Saul swear at Jonathan along the lines of, "You son of a ''perverse and rebellious woman''!" Needless to say, there is indeed a [[SonOfAWhore closer English equivalent]] to the Hebrew original, but apparently [[{{Bowdlerize}} most translators don't like the thought of putting it in]] Literature/TheBible. (''The Living Bible'' is a notable exception.)

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* UnusualEuphemism: Many English translations have Saul swear at Jonathan along the lines of, "You son of a ''perverse ''[[ThisIsForEmphasisBitch perverse and rebellious woman''!" woman]]''!" Needless to say, there is indeed a [[SonOfAWhore closer English equivalent]] to the Hebrew original, but apparently [[{{Bowdlerize}} most translators don't like the thought of putting it in]] Literature/TheBible. (''The Living Bible'' is a notable exception.)
26th Nov '16 2:13:52 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* EvilPrince: David's sons Amnon (raped his half-sister) and Absalom (led a rebellion).

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* EvilPrince: TheEvilPrince: David's sons Amnon (raped his half-sister) and Absalom (led a rebellion).
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