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12th Jun '16 7:05:01 PM Onlythrice
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* [[SuddenSequelHeelSyndrome Agent Willis]] in ''Videogame/FarCry4''. After promising [[PlayerCharacter Ajay]] information about his parents and help to kill [[TheDragon Yuma]], he has Ajay kill Yuma's lieutenants. He then reveals that the lieutenants were actually CIA assets [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness he needed to get rid of, then shoves Ajay out of a plane]] to be captured by her before fleeing the country.
2nd Jun '16 10:55:10 PM MyFinalEdits
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*** Most glaringly, the Aldmeri Dominion. Yes, you can kill a few Thalmor notables, but you can't actually do anything to slow the Dominion's ambitions down, except [[BaseBreaker insofar as winning the civil war qualifies.]]
*** Even winning the civil war may not be enough to stop the Dominion. Their ambitions extend far past Skyrim alone, and some documents found during the Main Quest reveal that [[spoiler:Jarl Ulfric Stormcloak, leader of the rebellion]] was actually an unaware sleeper agent the whole time, and allowing them to win the war would essentially just open the floodgates for the Aldmeri Dominion.

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*** Most glaringly, the Aldmeri Dominion. Yes, you can kill a few Thalmor notables, but you can't actually do anything to slow the Dominion's ambitions down, except [[BaseBreaker insofar as winning the civil war qualifies.]]
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]] Even winning the civil war may not be enough to stop the Dominion. Their Dominion, as their ambitions extend far past Skyrim alone, and some documents found during the Main Quest reveal that [[spoiler:Jarl Ulfric Stormcloak, leader of the rebellion]] was actually an unaware sleeper agent the whole time, and allowing them to win the war would essentially just open the floodgates for the Aldmeri Dominion.
2nd Jun '16 5:06:51 PM Ganerumo
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****Even winning the civil war may not be enough to stop the Dominion. Their ambitions extend far past Skyrim alone, and some documents found during the Main Quest reveal that [[spoiler:Jarl Ulfric Stormcloak, leader of the rebellion]] was actually an unaware sleeper agent the whole time, and allowing them to win the war would essentially just open the floodgates for the Aldmeri Dominion.
25th May '16 9:20:57 PM MyFinalEdits
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** [[spoiler:The Weavess]] in ''VideoGame/TheWitcher3WildHunt'' becomes this [[spoiler:in either ending where Ciri survives]].

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** * [[spoiler:The Weavess]] in ''VideoGame/TheWitcher3WildHunt'' becomes this [[spoiler:in either ending where Ciri survives]].



** [[spoiler:Given that he is actually insane, rather than just mad with power because as a child he learned he was just a weapon, though unlike his brother, who he thought he would be there for him forever due to be conjoined at birth, he would live until the end of time itself, he might get a pass on this one. It's likely that he attempted suicide several times after he found out the truth, and found out that only his brother was created in a way that could kill him. How did he discover this? By touching the mind of an Eldrich Abomination. He didn't slip down a slope so much as get shoved off a cliff. As for Junior, he actually blamed himself for what happened (as he was the one who broke the news that Albedo was immortal, he didn't try to keep him from slipping away afterwards, and he was right next to him when U-DO touched him), and generally wanted his brother to be right again. As for MOMO, it's questionable whether it was remnant memories from her past of the sane Albedo, pity for a man who had lost everything from the start, or given that she knows the feeling of being part of a world yet feeling separate herself]].

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** [[spoiler:Given that he is actually insane, rather than just mad with power because as a child he learned he was just a weapon, though unlike his brother, who he thought he would be there for him forever due to be conjoined at birth, he would live until the end of time itself, he might get a pass on this one. It's likely that he attempted suicide several times after he found out the truth, and found out that only his brother was created in a way that could kill him. How did he discover this? By touching the mind of an Eldrich Abomination. He didn't slip down a slope so much as get shoved off a cliff. As for Junior, he actually blamed himself for what happened (as he was the one who broke the news that Albedo was immortal, he didn't try to keep him from slipping away afterwards, and he was right next to him when U-DO touched him), and generally wanted his brother to be right again. As for MOMO, it's questionable whether it was remnant memories from her past of the sane Albedo, pity for a man who had lost everything from the start, or given that she knows the feeling of being part of a world yet feeling separate herself]].
25th May '16 9:18:35 PM MyFinalEdits
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* Subversion: the ''[[VideoGame/SuperRobotWars Super Robot Taisen]]'' series is an idealistic franchise... and therefore, even villains who got away scot-free in their series do not escape the hand of karma. Just to make a point, in episodes with ''[[Anime/MartianSuccessorNadesico Nadesico]]'' [[spoiler:the player is either allowed to kill off Kusakabe ([[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsCompact2 Impact]], [[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsMX MX]], [[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsJudgment J]]), or his plans are screwed up to the point where he is unable to go on and found the Martian Successors ([[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsAdvance A]], [[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsReversal R]])]]. The same thing happens to Garimos and Gil Barg from ''Anime/{{Dangaioh}}'' (see above), [[spoiler:who are actually killed in the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsCompact2'' trilogy and its remake ''Super Robot Wars Impact'']]. Hard to escape a KarmicDeath when you have to deal with a band of HotBlooded heroes who have an habit of [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu Punching Out Cthulhu]].

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* Subversion: the ''[[VideoGame/SuperRobotWars Super Robot Taisen]]'' Taisen]]'':
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series is an idealistic franchise... and therefore, even villains who got away scot-free in their series do not escape the hand of karma. Just to make a point, in episodes with ''[[Anime/MartianSuccessorNadesico Nadesico]]'' [[spoiler:the player is either allowed to kill off Kusakabe ([[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsCompact2 Impact]], [[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsMX MX]], [[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsJudgment J]]), or his plans are screwed up to the point where he is unable to go on and found the Martian Successors ([[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsAdvance A]], [[VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsReversal R]])]]. The same thing happens to Garimos and Gil Barg from ''Anime/{{Dangaioh}}'' (see above), [[spoiler:who are actually killed in the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWarsCompact2'' trilogy and its remake ''Super Robot Wars Impact'']]. Hard to escape a KarmicDeath when you have to deal with a band of HotBlooded heroes who have an habit of [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu Punching Out Cthulhu]].



** Something of a subversion, several characters seem intent on punishing themselves for things that ''no one else blames them for''. For example, Elzam von Branstien/[[spoiler:Rätsel Feinschmecker]] takes the blame for the "Elpis incident". [[spoiler:A group of terrorists, lead by [[PsychoForHire Archibald Grims]], took Elzam's wife Cattleya as a hostage to guarantee his escape. When he remotely opened the docking bay door, allowing her to return to the colony interior, he also released a highly potent toxic gas. Elzam was faced with the choice of either destroying the section of the colony that she was on or allowing the gas to poison the colonists. Despite the fact that she was already fatally poisoned, he felt terribly guilty for destroying the docking bay to save the rest of the colony.]]

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** Something of a subversion, several Several characters seem intent on punishing themselves for things that ''no one else blames them for''. For example, Elzam von Branstien/[[spoiler:Rätsel Feinschmecker]] takes the blame for the "Elpis incident". [[spoiler:A group of terrorists, lead by [[PsychoForHire Archibald Grims]], took Elzam's wife Cattleya as a hostage to guarantee his escape. When he remotely opened the docking bay door, allowing her to return to the colony interior, he also released a highly potent toxic gas. Elzam was faced with the choice of either destroying the section of the colony that she was on or allowing the gas to poison the colonists. Despite the fact that she was already fatally poisoned, he felt terribly guilty for destroying the docking bay to save the rest of the colony.]]



* Asch from ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss''. In the beginning of the game, he [[spoiler:slaughters around 140 Malkuth soldiers onboard the Tartarus, tries to outright kill the party numerous times (though his main target is Luke, when you first meet him, he makes a comment about how Jade is difficult to kill), and takes control of Luke in order to try and make him attack (and presumably kill) Tear. Yet, just because he's against Van and starts to cooperate (little by little) with the party later on, all is forgiven and nobody mentions the massive amounts of people he willingly, purposefully slaughtered (whereas Anise later reminds Arietta of her participation in the above massacre to drive home that she has also done things that drive people to seek revenge), or the fact he could have stopped everything if he just helped everyone from the beginning.]]
** As well as [[spoiler:the entire party except Natalia who all lied and deceived Luke yet got nothing equal to what they did to Luke just because they basically said "my bad, sorry".]]

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* Asch from ''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss''.''VideoGame/TalesOfTheAbyss'':
** Asch.
In the beginning of the game, he [[spoiler:slaughters around 140 Malkuth soldiers onboard the Tartarus, tries to outright kill the party numerous times (though his main target is Luke, when you first meet him, he makes a comment about how Jade is difficult to kill), and takes control of Luke in order to try and make him attack (and presumably kill) Tear. Yet, just because he's against Van and starts to cooperate (little by little) with the party later on, all is forgiven and nobody mentions the massive amounts of people he willingly, purposefully slaughtered (whereas Anise later reminds Arietta of her participation in the above massacre to drive home that she has also done things that drive people to seek revenge), or the fact he could have stopped everything if he just helped everyone from the beginning.]]
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]] As well as [[spoiler:the entire party except Natalia who all lied and deceived Luke yet got nothing equal to what they did to Luke just because they basically said "my bad, sorry".]]



* Subverted in ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' had minor villains Ragou and Cumore. Ragou oppressed his subjects and fed the ones that couldn't pay to his pet monsters. Cumore, in the search for Pharaoh, drafted innocent civilians into what amounted as a suicide mission. However, their positions and wealth guaranteed that they wouldn't be touched by the law. It looks like they'll get away with everything until [[spoiler:Yuri [[VigilanteExecution hunts them down and murders them]].]]
** Played straight, however, with [[spoiler:Dedecchi, the Aque Blastia thief]]. This is fixed in the [=PS3=] version, where a new optional event allows the party to capture him.

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* Subverted in ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' had minor villains Ragou and Cumore. Ragou oppressed his subjects and fed the ones that couldn't pay to his pet monsters. Cumore, in the search for Pharaoh, drafted innocent civilians into what amounted as a suicide mission. However, their positions and wealth guaranteed that they wouldn't be touched by the law. It looks like they'll get away with everything until [[spoiler:Yuri [[VigilanteExecution hunts them down and murders them]].]]
** Played straight, however,
]] It's played straight with [[spoiler:Dedecchi, the Aque Blastia thief]]. This is fixed in the [=PS3=] version, where a new optional event allows the party to capture him.
25th May '16 8:03:40 PM nombretomado
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** Played straight, however, with [[spoiler:Dedecchi, the Aque Blastia thief]]. This is fixed in the PS3 version, where a new optional event allows the party to capture him.

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** Played straight, however, with [[spoiler:Dedecchi, the Aque Blastia thief]]. This is fixed in the PS3 [=PS3=] version, where a new optional event allows the party to capture him.
25th May '16 7:10:05 AM SomeNewGuy
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** [[spoiler:The Weavess]] in ''VideoGame/TheWitcher3WildHunt'' becomes this [[spoiler:in either ending where Ciri survives]].
21st May '16 3:22:57 PM SaraJaye
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** And then there's Phineas Filch in ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies'', who is a habitual pickpocket (and stole the properties of several of the main characters) and even conspired with the villain to provide an alibi, but yet is never indicted or punished at the end of the game (ok, so maybe him not getting the ''Tenma Taro'' gold nugget is one thing, but only because his ''grandfather'' beat him to it years prior, but he should still be punished for attempting to steal Widget, Athena's necklace computer, among other things).

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** And then there's Phineas Filch in ''VisualNovel/PhoenixWrightAceAttorneyDualDestinies'', who is a habitual pickpocket (and stole the properties of several of the main characters) characters), willfully committed perjury and even conspired with the villain to provide an alibi, but yet is never indicted or punished at the end of the game (ok, so maybe him not getting game. On the ''Tenma Taro'' other hand, he never did get the gold nugget is one thing, but only because his ''grandfather'' beat him he craved and was subjected to it years prior, but he should still be punished for attempting to steal Widget, Athena's necklace computer, among other things). plenty of verbal and physical abuse from Simon and Taka, respectively.
16th Apr '16 10:17:33 PM SbenLives
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** Lieutenant Blake is a real nasty, brutish thug of a cop. He gives a sniper a direct order to kill Ethan (who's innocent), even if he comes out peacefully with his hands up. If Ethan is killed by the police and Shaun survives, Blake is suspended pending an investigation. Otherwise, nothing happens to him. Even the aforementioned ending may be a Karma Houdini, since it doesn't necessarily lead to him fired in disgrace or rotting in prison.

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** Lieutenant Blake is a real nasty, brutish thug of a cop. He flaunts his authority as an excuse to do whatever he wants, and throughout the game, his go-to tactic for interrogating suspects is [[JackBauerInterrogationTechnique kicking the crap out of them]] to the point where he almost kills several. In the climax, he even gives a sniper a direct order to kill Ethan (who's innocent), even if he comes out peacefully with his hands up. If Ethan is killed by the police this sniper and Shaun survives, Blake is suspended pending an investigation. Otherwise, nothing investigation, but he is not fired or imprisoned. [[spoiler: A possible aversion happens if Ethan survives while Jayden dies, as it is implied that Jayden will haunt Blake through the ARI and cause him to succumb to the same addiction that crippled him. Even However, this is never made explicitly clear.]]
** Gordi Kramer is even more despicable than Blake -- while Blake is at least motivated to be an asshole by his honest desire to stop
the aforementioned Origami Killer, Gordi is a multimillionaire PsychopathicManchild who idolizes the killer and actually drowned a young boy in an attempt to be like the killer. In his short appearance, he shows himself to be an unrepentant asshole with a callous disregard for anyone other than himself. While his father Charles has his staff gunned down, is brutally beaten, and can be left to [[KarmicDeath suffer a heart attack]], Gordi is never even mentioned in any ending may be a Karma Houdini, since it doesn't necessarily lead to him fired in disgrace or rotting in prison.and he presumably gets away scot-free.
15th Apr '16 6:55:22 PM MyFinalEdits
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