History KarmaHoudini / VideoGames

19th Sep '17 5:00:14 PM AHI-3000
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* [[SuddenSequelHeelSyndrome Agent Willis]] in ''Videogame/FarCry4''. After promising [[PlayerCharacter Ajay]] information about his parents and help to kill [[TheDragon Yuma]], he has Ajay kill Yuma's lieutenants. He then reveals that the lieutenants were actually CIA assets [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness he needed to get rid of, then shoves Ajay out of a plane]] to be captured by her before fleeing the country.

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* ''Videogame/FarCry4''
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[[SuddenSequelHeelSyndrome Agent Willis]] in ''Videogame/FarCry4''.Willis]]. After promising [[PlayerCharacter Ajay]] information about his parents and help to kill [[TheDragon Yuma]], he has Ajay kill Yuma's lieutenants. He then reveals that the lieutenants were actually CIA assets [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness he needed to get rid of, then shoves Ajay out of a plane]] to be captured by her before fleeing Kyrat.
** Depending on
the country.player's choice at the game's ending, [[BigBad Pagan Min]] can be spared by Ajay and allowed to flee the country in a helicopter, though this can easily be defied by shooting Pagan in the first place (or alternately, shooting down his helicopter before he can escape).
7th Sep '17 8:40:14 AM SeptimusHeap
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* The G-Man in ''VideoGame/{{Half-Life}}'' is probably karma-proof as well as bulletproof. Although since nobody has any [[PowersThatBe idea]] [[MysteriousWatcher who]] [[MysteriousProtector he]] [[TheMenInBlack is]] or what he's even doing, he might not be deserving of karma payback. For all anyone knows, he's [[ChaoticGood keeping things from getting even worse]], even if he is using [[IDidWhatIHadToDo morally ambiguous]] methods.

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* The G-Man in ''VideoGame/{{Half-Life}}'' ''VideoGame/HalfLife'' is probably karma-proof as well as bulletproof. Although since nobody has any [[PowersThatBe idea]] [[MysteriousWatcher who]] [[MysteriousProtector he]] [[TheMenInBlack is]] or what he's even doing, he might not be deserving of karma payback. For all anyone knows, he's [[ChaoticGood keeping things from getting even worse]], even if he is using [[IDidWhatIHadToDo morally ambiguous]] methods.
1st Sep '17 4:35:29 AM Lopiny
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** While his compatriots Michael and Franklin aren't straight-up good guys by any means, Trevor Philips, one of the three {{Villain Protagonist}}s from ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'', probably would have been written as an antagonist in any other installment in the series. [[spoiler:In addition to being a cannibalistic SerialKiller, he also relentlessly abuses and finally kills the innocent and helpless Floyd Hebert. But in [[GoldenEnding Ending C]], he gets to walk off triumphantly into the sunset just like the other two, although he does [[KillItWithFire burn to death]] in [[DownerEnding Ending A]].]]

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** While his compatriots Michael and Franklin aren't straight-up good guys by any means, Trevor Philips, one of the three {{Villain Protagonist}}s from ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'', probably would have been written as an antagonist in any other installment in the series. [[spoiler:In addition to being a cannibalistic SerialKiller, he also relentlessly abuses and finally kills the innocent and helpless Floyd Hebert. But in [[GoldenEnding Ending C]], he gets to walk off triumphantly into the sunset just like the other two, although he does [[KillItWithFire burn to death]] in [[DownerEnding Ending A]].]] However, picking A or B does leave most of the other villains in the game to walk off scot-free, with one of the two biggest ones getting everything he asked for, so in the end it's a matter of picking your poison. And frankly, compared to [[RabidCop Steve Haines]] or [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Devin Weston]], Trevor is ''pleasant'']].
18th Aug '17 6:12:16 PM Onlythrice
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** [[PhysicalGod Vivec]] in ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind''. While not necessarily a villain, he and the other two members of the Tribunal betrayed and murdered the hero-king Nerevar and used the [[CosmicKeystone Heart of Lorkhan]] to become [[DeityOfHumanOrigin gods]] and rule over Morrowind for millennia against Azura's wishes, resulting in the Chimer being cursed to become the Dark Elves you meet today. After [[BigBad Dagoth Ur]]'s defeat at the hands of the [[PlayerCharacter Nerevarine]] and the deaths of the other two members of the Tribunal, Vivec was put on trial for his past crimes. At his trial he confessed to the murder of Nerevar but claimed that he couldn't be charged with it because the divine and mortal versions of him were different people. He then asked the court to summon Azura to speak on Nerevar's behalf, and once they acquiesced to this he then bound Azura to their plane of existence and shoved his spear down her throat before vanishing forever, [[ColonyDrop causing the meteor he kept suspended over Vivec City to later crash down and destroy it]].



*** Another case of Karma Houdini is Maven Black-Briar, the crime queenpin of Riften. Not only is there no questline that involves taking direct action against her, as an "Essential" character she cannot be killed without the use of console commands, glitches, or mods. To take it even further, if the Imperials take Riften then she gets appointed Jarl and says the title's only a formality to her since she's always been in charge anyway. Similarly, unlike the Dark Brotherhood, there is no way to deal with the Thieves Guild as almost all the important [=NPCs=] of the guild are similarly Essential and immortal.

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*** Another case of Karma Houdini is Maven Black-Briar, the crime queenpin of Riften. Not only is there no questline that involves taking direct action against her, as an "Essential" character she cannot be killed without the use of console commands, glitches, or mods. To take it even further, if [[TheEmpire the Imperials Imperials]] take Riften then she gets appointed Jarl and says [[IOwnThisTown the title's only a formality to her since she's always been in charge anyway.anyway]]. Similarly, unlike the Dark Brotherhood, there is no way to deal with the Thieves Guild as almost all the important [=NPCs=] of the guild are similarly Essential and immortal.
18th Aug '17 8:09:06 AM CombativeBoil
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* The villains of ''VideoGame/{{Catherine}}'', [[spoiler:Boss and Catherine]], are both directly responsible for leading a number of men to their horrible deaths, and for causing a number of relationship breakups. Though Vincent does uncover The Boss's involvement and forces him to stop what he's doing should you clear the final level, both he and Catherine otherwise go on with their lives without any troubles, [[spoiler:and in Catherine's case, it is possible to end up HappilyMarried to her]].

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* The villains of ''VideoGame/{{Catherine}}'', [[spoiler:Boss and Catherine]], are both directly responsible for leading a number of men to their horrible deaths, and for causing a number of relationship breakups. Though [[spoiler:Though Vincent does uncover The Boss's involvement and forces him to stop what he's doing should you clear the final level, both he and Catherine otherwise go on with their lives without any troubles, [[spoiler:and and in Catherine's case, it is possible to end up HappilyMarried to her]].
18th Aug '17 8:08:13 AM CombativeBoil
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* The villains of ''VideoGame/{{Catherine}}'', [[spoiler:Boss and Catherine]], are both directly responsible for leading a number of men to their horrible deaths, and for causing a number of relationship breakups. Neither of them are ever held accountable or called out for it, and [[spoiler:in fact in Catherine's case, it is possible to end up HappilyMarried to her]].

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* The villains of ''VideoGame/{{Catherine}}'', [[spoiler:Boss and Catherine]], are both directly responsible for leading a number of men to their horrible deaths, and for causing a number of relationship breakups. Neither of them are ever held accountable or called out for it, Though Vincent does uncover The Boss's involvement and [[spoiler:in fact forces him to stop what he's doing should you clear the final level, both he and Catherine otherwise go on with their lives without any troubles, [[spoiler:and in Catherine's case, it is possible to end up HappilyMarried to her]].
29th Jul '17 4:58:34 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** To be completely fair: Isabela has been looking for the sacred relic since the beginning of Act 1, and seems genuinely baffled when questioned about its importance (i.e. she didn't know it was that important when she stole it, otherwise it's very likely she would've steered clear). The Qunari, meanwhile, do plenty of butting heads with the local establishment, including [[SinisterMinister Sister Petrice]], and the conflict kicks off because of tensions over two Elven fugitives-turned-converts. So--[[GrayAndGrayMorality in a familiar theme of the game]]--while Isabela's actions aren't great, the Qunari bear a much larger portion of the blame. [[spoiler: In fact, it's entirely possible to make the Arishok himself a Karma Houdini by turning Isabela over to his custody. He and the Qunari leave, their destruction and death completely unaddressed, and Hawke gets named Champion with only a minor hit to companion approval. It's only in ''Inquisition'' that the Arishok gets his off-screen comeuppance: chewed out and replaced by his superiors, with the Qunari disavowing his actions.]]
29th Jul '17 4:55:14 PM Onlythrice
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* Nadine in ''VideoGame/{{Uncharted}} 4''. After spending the entire time trying to kill Nathan & Sam and steal the the treasure before they can, she beats up the two of them in an UnwinnableBossFight before [[spoiler: leaving them to die in a burning ship with the BigBad near the end of the game, escaping with some of the treasure]].



* Both [[spoiler: Belda and Lucchini]] in VideoGame/TheWitchandTheHundredKnight gets to continue living their lives scot-free in the "Bad" ending. [[spoiler: Belda]] placed a dog curse on Visco, who in turned killed her to save Metallia instead of lifting the curse. [[spoiler: Belda]] ironically gets revived by Metallia's actions in chapter 12 and does not even recall the events of chapter 11, meaning that unlike many of the other characters who appeared in that chapter and have become better people, she has not changed ''at all''. [[spoiler: Lucchini]] killed his entire village people and even his own father, who aided him in killing lots more people, including [[spoiler: Visco]] in Amataya Kingdom which ultimately cause a great deal of hell for Metallia in her quest to [[spoiler: revive Visco]] in chapter 12 & 13. Though depending on how one may interpret Lucchini, it may be considered CruelMercy since Metallia didn't grant his death wish and no longer has any friends or family to turn to.

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* Both [[spoiler: Belda and Lucchini]] in VideoGame/TheWitchandTheHundredKnight ''VideoGame/TheWitchAndTheHundredKnight'' gets to continue living their lives scot-free in the "Bad" ending. [[spoiler: Belda]] placed a dog curse on Visco, who in turned killed her to save Metallia instead of lifting the curse. [[spoiler: Belda]] ironically gets revived by Metallia's actions in chapter 12 and does not even recall the events of chapter 11, meaning that unlike many of the other characters who appeared in that chapter and have become better people, she has not changed ''at all''. [[spoiler: Lucchini]] killed his entire village people and even his own father, who aided him in killing lots more people, including [[spoiler: Visco]] in Amataya Kingdom which ultimately cause a great deal of hell for Metallia in her quest to [[spoiler: revive Visco]] in chapter 12 & 13. Though depending on how one may interpret Lucchini, it may be considered CruelMercy since Metallia didn't grant his death wish and no longer has any friends or family to turn to.
20th Jul '17 6:02:53 PM Onlythrice
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*** Another case of Karma Houdini is Maven Black-Briar, the crime queenpin of Riften. Not only is there no questline that involves taking direct action against her, as an "Essential" character she cannot be killed without the use of console commands, glitches, or mods. Similarly, unlike the Dark Brotherhood, there is no way to deal with the Thieves Guild as almost all the important [=NPCs=] of the guild are similarly Essential and immortal.

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*** Another case of Karma Houdini is Maven Black-Briar, the crime queenpin of Riften. Not only is there no questline that involves taking direct action against her, as an "Essential" character she cannot be killed without the use of console commands, glitches, or mods. To take it even further, if the Imperials take Riften then she gets appointed Jarl and says the title's only a formality to her since she's always been in charge anyway. Similarly, unlike the Dark Brotherhood, there is no way to deal with the Thieves Guild as almost all the important [=NPCs=] of the guild are similarly Essential and immortal.



*** Most glaringly, the Aldmeri Dominion. Yes, you can kill a few Thalmor notables, but you can't actually do anything to slow the Dominion's ambitions down, except insofar as winning the civil war qualifies. Even winning the civil war may not be enough to stop the Dominion, as their ambitions extend far past Skyrim alone, and some documents found during the Main Quest reveal that [[spoiler:Jarl Ulfric Stormcloak, leader of the rebellion]] was actually an [[ManchurianAgent unaware sleeper agent the whole time]], and allowing them to win the war would essentially just open the floodgates for the Aldmeri Dominion. Making any player who sided with the Stormcloaks an UnwittingPawn of the Dominion. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero How very convenient for them.]] [[SarcasmMode Commendable, in fact.]]

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*** Most glaringly, the Aldmeri Dominion. Yes, you can kill a few Thalmor notables, but you can't actually do anything to slow the Dominion's ambitions down, except insofar as winning the civil war qualifies. Even winning the civil war may not be enough to stop the Dominion, as their ambitions extend far past Skyrim alone, alone and some documents found during the Main Quest reveal that [[spoiler:Jarl Ulfric Stormcloak, leader extent of the rebellion]] was actually an [[ManchurianAgent unaware sleeper agent the whole time]], and allowing Stormcloaks' ability to defend Skyrim from them to win the war would essentially just open the floodgates is up for the Aldmeri Dominion. Making any player who sided with the Stormcloaks an UnwittingPawn of the Dominion. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero How very convenient for them.]] [[SarcasmMode Commendable, in fact.]]debate.
6th Jul '17 5:26:51 PM Onlythrice
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* Killbane in ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'', depending on the player's choices. If you decide to save your friends instead of chasing after him in the penultimate mission, he escapes the city. No big confrontation, no chance to track him down, he just gets away. And if you decided not to unmask him in the previous mission (in exchange for learning the secret of his [[OneHitKill Apoca-fist]]), he's even spared public humiliation before he goes. He was cemented as a Karma Houdini in ''VideoGame/SaintsRow4'', which follows Saints Row the Third from the ending where Killbane escapes.

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* Killbane in ''VideoGame/SaintsRowTheThird'', depending on the player's choices. If you decide to save your friends instead of chasing after him in the penultimate mission, he escapes the city. No big confrontation, no chance to track him down, he just gets away. And if you decided not to unmask him in the previous mission (in exchange for learning the secret of his [[OneHitKill Apoca-fist]]), he's even spared public humiliation before he goes. He was cemented as a Karma Houdini in ''VideoGame/SaintsRow4'', which follows Saints Row the Third from the The ending where Killbane escapes.escapes is canon, but he seems to have lost his Karma Houdini status sometime before the events of ''VideoGame/SaintsRow4'' when Shaundi confirms his death in a conversation with Wrestling/RoddyPiper.
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