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** In Robb's defense, A) Edmure was warned that this was a bad idea by Catelyn, spelling out that it was an unnecessary battle (And Edmure wasn't trying to drive Tywin out of the Riverlands, in fact he was doing the exact opposite. Edmures's battle plan utilizing the River prevented Tywin from leaving the Riverlands and returning the the Westerlands) B) way exceeded his orders by openly admitting that he ordered the taking of Harrenhall, something that was by no means covered in "hold Riverrun" c) exceeded his command by ordering the Northmen (Edmure is the Lord Paramount of the Riverlands, he had no right to give orders to Robb's Northern Bannermen) and d) immediately started partying when after the battle instead of pursuing or doing anything else. It is clear that Edmure was just attempting to save his wounded pride from losing and being captured in the early part of the war.
**Another point in Robb's favor is the fact that he chastised Edmure in private, opposed to doing so in public. It was never about Robb saving face.
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* ''Literature/WhoGoesThere'': Blair calls out the other scientists for automatically assuming the Thing (while it's still frozen in the ice) is malevolent simply because of its' facial expressions: 'If men can have different customs, why can't a so-different race have different understandings of facial expressions?...You are displaying the childish human weakness of hating the different...Just because its nature is different, you haven't any right to say it's necessarily evil.' John W. Campbell was a fervent segregationist and likely didn't believe this in real life, plus Blair is decidedly proven wrong when the Thing runs amok by killing and replacing several men and dogs, but he still makes some very valid points about assumptions and discrimination based on ones' own cultural or aesthetic standards.
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** Downplayed in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban'', as both Ron and Hermione turn out to be RightForTheWrongReasons, but Ron is portrayed as wrong for being angry with Hermione over Crookshanks' many attempts to eat Scabbers. Hermione's argument is that "Crookshanks doesn't understand that it's wrong" and Hagrid also calls him out for it later, saying that "her cat acted like all cats do." The thing is, if you own a pet, and that pet shows aggression towards another person's pet, it is ''your'' responsibility as the owner to keep your pet away. Hermione not only ignores Ron's concerns throughout the book, but even brings her cat with her into the boys' dormitory on Christmas. Ron has every right to be upset. The [[Film/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerofAzkaban film]] is even worse, reducing the whole feud to, "Ron needs to keep a better eye on his rat," which is exactly what he ''was'' doing throughout the book. The film also leaves out Hermione apologising, with the narrative framing her as swallowing her pride to do so.
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*** Dumbledore state that Harry was justify being upset with him and the other adults as Harry wouldn't have made the rash action the resulted in [[spoiler:Sirius getting killed]] if they hadn't kept secrets from him. But Harry is [[HotBlooded highly hot-tempered]], doesn't show any control over his emotions, repeatedly ignores warnings from people he respects (such as [=McGonagall=] who politely tries to warn him about Umbridge), has a huge {{martyr|WithoutACause}} complex that repeatedly causes him to unnecessarily endanger himself, then openly gets goaded in front of all of Hogwarts to punch an opponent on the Quidditch pitch. Dumbledore is running a secret resistance group against an enemy with greater numbers and resources while also keeping it on the down-low from the corrupt government. In this kind of situation, keeping people on a need-to-know basis is standard operation procedure, ''especially'' when the series takes place in a world where {{telepathy}}, MindControl spells, and [[TruthSerum truth potions]] exist. Aside from the acknowledged risk of Voldemort's [[PsychicLink mental link to him]], Harry's temperament was such that they'd be justified not trusting him with vital info and he likely would have made rash action regardless.
*** Harry end up snapping at Ron and Hermione for constantly bickering is supposed to be seen as being snippy and mean towards his best friends. But he brings up a very valid point: they are always [[BelligerentSexualTension arguing with each other]], and have been for the past four years since becoming friends. No matter how good a friend one is to the other Harry has every right to get sick and tired of them fighting, especially since ''he'' often bears the consequence of being stuck in the middle of it.
** Downplayed in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban'', as both Ron and Hermione turn out to be RightForTheWrongReasons, but Ron is portrayed as wrong for being angry with Hermione over Crookshanks' many attempts to eat Scabbers. Hermione's argument is that "Crookshanks doesn't understand that it's wrong" and Hagrid also calls him out for it later, saying that "her cat acted like all cats do." The thing is, if you own a pet, and that pet shows aggression towards another person's pet, it is ''your'' responsibility as the owner to keep your pet away. Hermione not only ignores Ron's concerns throughout the book, but even brings her cat with her into the boys' dormitory on Christmas. Ron has every right to be upset. The [[Film/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerofAzkaban film]] is even worse, reducing the whole feud to, "Ron needs to keep a better eye on his rat," which is exactly what he ''was'' doing throughout the book. The film also leaves out Hermione apologising, with the narrative framing her as swallowing her pride to do so.
*** Harry end up snapping at Ron and Hermione for constantly bickering is supposed to be seen as being snippy and mean towards his best friends. But he brings up a very valid point: they are always [[BelligerentSexualTension arguing with each other]], and have been for the past four years since becoming friends. No matter how good a friend one is to the other Harry has every right to get sick and tired of them fighting, especially since ''he'' often bears the consequence of being stuck in the middle of it.
** Downplayed in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban'', as both Ron and Hermione turn out to be RightForTheWrongReasons, but Ron is portrayed as wrong for being angry with Hermione over Crookshanks' many attempts to eat Scabbers. Hermione's argument is that "Crookshanks doesn't understand that it's wrong" and Hagrid also calls him out for it later, saying that "her cat acted like all cats do." The thing is, if you own a pet, and that pet shows aggression towards another person's pet, it is ''your'' responsibility as the owner to keep your pet away. Hermione not only ignores Ron's concerns throughout the book, but even brings her cat with her into the boys' dormitory on Christmas. Ron has every right to be upset. The [[Film/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerofAzkaban film]] is even worse, reducing the whole feud to, "Ron needs to keep a better eye on his rat," which is exactly what he ''was'' doing throughout the book. The film also leaves out Hermione apologising, with the narrative framing her as swallowing her pride to do so.
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*** Dumbledore state states that Harry was justify being upset with him and the other adults as Harry wouldn't have made the rash action the resulted in [[spoiler:Sirius getting killed]] if they hadn't kept secrets from him. But Harry is [[HotBlooded highly hot-tempered]], doesn't show any control over his emotions, repeatedly ignores warnings from people he respects (such as [=McGonagall=] who politely tries to warn him about Umbridge), has a huge {{martyr|WithoutACause}} complex that repeatedly causes him to unnecessarily endanger himself, then openly gets goaded in front of all of Hogwarts to punch an opponent on the Quidditch pitch. Dumbledore is running a secret resistance group against an enemy with greater numbers and resources while also keeping it on the down-low from the corrupt government. In this kind of situation, keeping people on a need-to-know basis is standard operation procedure, ''especially'' when the series takes place in a world where {{telepathy}}, MindControl spells, and [[TruthSerum truth potions]] exist. Aside from the acknowledged risk of Voldemort's [[PsychicLink mental link to him]], Harry's temperament was such that they'd be justified not trusting him with vital info and he likely would have made rash action regardless.
*** Harryend ends up snapping at Ron and Hermione for constantly bickering is supposed to be seen as being snippy and mean towards his best friends. But he brings up a very valid point: they are always [[BelligerentSexualTension arguing with each other]], and have been for the past four years since becoming friends. No matter how good a friend one is to the other Harry has every right to get sick and tired of them fighting, especially since ''he'' often bears the consequence of being stuck in the middle of it.
** Downplayed in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban'', as both Ron and Hermione turn out to be RightForTheWrongReasons, but Ron is portrayed as wrong for being angry with Hermione over Crookshanks' many attempts to eat Scabbers. Hermione's argument is that "Crookshanks doesn't understand that it's wrong" and Hagrid also calls him out for it later, saying that "her cat acted like all cats do." The thing is, if you own a pet, and that pet shows aggression towards another person's pet, it is ''your'' responsibility as the owner to keep your pet away. Hermione not only ignores Ron's concerns throughout the book, but even brings her cat with her into the boys' dormitory on Christmas. Ron has every right to be upset. The [[Film/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerofAzkaban film]] is even worse, reducing the whole feud to, "Ron needs to keep a better eye on his rat," which is exactly what he ''was'' doing throughout the book. The film also leaves out Hermione apologising, with the narrative framing her as swallowing her pride to do so.it.
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** Downplayed in ''Literature/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerOfAzkaban'', as both Ron and Hermione turn out to be RightForTheWrongReasons, but Ron is portrayed as wrong for being angry with Hermione over Crookshanks' many attempts to eat Scabbers. Hermione's argument is that "Crookshanks doesn't understand that it's wrong" and Hagrid also calls him out for it later, saying that "her cat acted like all cats do." The thing is, if you own a pet, and that pet shows aggression towards another person's pet, it is ''your'' responsibility as the owner to keep your pet away. Hermione not only ignores Ron's concerns throughout the book, but even brings her cat with her into the boys' dormitory on Christmas. Ron has every right to be upset. The [[Film/HarryPotterAndThePrisonerofAzkaban film]] is even worse, reducing the whole feud to, "Ron needs to keep a better eye on his rat," which is exactly what he ''was'' doing throughout the book. The film also leaves out Hermione apologising, with the narrative framing her as swallowing her pride to do so.
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** Leah in regards of her pining after Sam because of the imprinting. The two of them used to be a couple, but then Sam imprinted on her cousin Emily, meaning that Sam instantly fell in love with her. The tribe keeps telling her that her hurt feelings are annoying and pointless, with imprinting portrayed as a wonderful thing, like finding one's soulmate. Leah and Sam were originally engaged and were very loving to each other, so being suddenly dropped and Leah turning out to be a female werewolf, meaning that she has unwanted access to [[HiveMind every werewolves' thoughts, including Sam's]], it just makes Leah appear even more sympathetic to the reader and to be fully justified in being hurt.
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** Leah in regards of her pining after Sam because of the imprinting. The two of them used to be a couple, but then Sam imprinted on her cousin Emily, meaning that Sam instantly fell in love with her. The tribe keeps telling her that her hurt feelings are annoying and pointless, with imprinting portrayed as a wonderful thing, like finding one's soulmate. Leah and Sam were originally engaged and were very loving to each other, so being suddenly dropped and Leah turning out to be a female werewolf, meaning that she has unwanted access to [[HiveMind the thoughts of every werewolves' thoughts, werewolf, including Sam's]], Sam]], it just makes Leah appear even more sympathetic to the reader and to be fully justified in being hurt.
