History HoYay / WilliamShakespeare

18th Jun '17 4:54:38 PM nombretomado
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* William "ZerothLawOfTropeExamples" Shakespeare. "Shall I compare thee to a summers day?" wasn't written about a woman, you know. Several of his plays also have a male character wooing a female character who is [[RecursiveCrossdressing both ''played'' by a man (often young men or boys whose voices haven't changed yet) and ''disguised'' as a man]]. End result: Two men on stage making out. ThatOtherWiki suggests that it might have been a [[OlderThanSteam very early]] form of {{Fanservice}}.
* ''{{Hamlet}}'' and Horatio. Horatio is Hamlet's close friend, confidant and ultimately the only one Hamlet really trusts throughout, and [[TogetherInDeath almost kills himself at Hamlet's death]]. And, he says the line "Goodnight sweet prince." If that line isn't HoYay, than what is? Not to mention the subtext almost doubles when you look at how crappily Hamlet treats his girlfriend, or the strong evidence that the characters were inspired by the scandal-ridden [[FoeYay Brahe and Kepler]].

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* William "ZerothLawOfTropeExamples" Shakespeare. "Shall I compare thee to a summers day?" wasn't written about a woman, you know. Several of his plays also have a male character wooing a female character who is [[RecursiveCrossdressing both ''played'' by a man (often young men or boys whose voices haven't changed yet) and ''disguised'' as a man]]. End result: Two men on stage making out. ThatOtherWiki Wiki/ThatOtherWiki suggests that it might have been a [[OlderThanSteam very early]] form of {{Fanservice}}.
* ''{{Hamlet}}'' ''Theatre/{{Hamlet}}'' and Horatio. Horatio is Hamlet's close friend, confidant and ultimately the only one Hamlet really trusts throughout, and [[TogetherInDeath almost kills himself at Hamlet's death]]. And, he says the line "Goodnight sweet prince." If that line isn't HoYay, than what is? Not to mention the subtext almost doubles when you look at how crappily Hamlet treats his girlfriend, or the strong evidence that the characters were inspired by the scandal-ridden [[FoeYay Brahe and Kepler]].
3rd May '17 2:40:46 PM Golondrina
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*** There is also some [FoeYay] shared between Achilles and his rival, Hector.

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*** There is also some [FoeYay] FoeYay shared between Achilles and his rival, Hector.
3rd May '17 2:14:11 PM Golondrina
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* In ''AsYouLikeIt'', Orlando spends a large chunk of the play wooing Rosalind . . . while she's dressed as a man. To be fair, she instigates the craziness, saying that she can cure him of his love by pretending to be a false and changeable woman, but how involved he gets in the charade is up for debate, especially since she takes the name Ganymede (Zeus' cupbearer in Greek Mythology; in Renaissance England the name carried connotations of being the object of male homosexual affection).

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* In ''AsYouLikeIt'', Orlando spends a large chunk of the play wooing Rosalind . . . while she's dressed as a man. To be fair, she instigates the craziness, saying that she can cure him of his love by pretending to be a false and changeable woman, but how involved he gets in the charade is up for debate, especially since she takes the name Ganymede (Zeus' cupbearer in Greek Mythology; in Renaissance England the name carried connotations of being the object of male homosexual gay affection).
21st Apr '17 9:08:02 PM SeanPiece
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** There is also some [FoYay] shared between Achilles and his rival, Hector.


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*** There is also some [FoeYay] shared between Achilles and his rival, Hector.
21st Apr '17 9:06:53 PM SeanPiece
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** There is also some [FoYay] shared between Achilles and his rival, Hector.


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** Pandarus, Cressida's uncle, has an obvious interest in hooking up his niece with his buddy, Troilus. Beyond his devotion to Troilus in his serving as a go-between, Pandarus also praises Troilus looks and good qualities frequently. And when Cressida is forced to go to the Greek camp from Troy, Pandarus' main concern is not about her welfare, but that this will break Troilus' heart.
11th Mar '17 4:06:28 PM nombretomado
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** Hermia and Helena in AMidsummerNightsDream, for instance. It has all the trappings of a RomanticTwoGirlFriendship. "I evermore did love you, Hermia"...

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** Hermia and Helena in AMidsummerNightsDream, ''Theatre/AMidsummerNightsDream'', for instance. It has all the trappings of a RomanticTwoGirlFriendship. "I evermore did love you, Hermia"...
9th Feb '17 9:42:09 AM RubyVisiblyShaken
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* William "ZerothLawOfTropeExamples" [[Creator/WilliamShakespeare Shakespeare.]] "Shall I compare thee to a summers day?" wasn't written about a woman, you know. Several of his plays also have a male character wooing a female character who is [[RecursiveCrossdressing both ''played'' by a man (often young men or boys whose voices haven't changed yet) and ''disguised'' as a man]]. End result: Two men on stage making out. ThatOtherWiki suggests that it might have been a [[OlderThanSteam very early]] form of {{Fanservice}}.

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* William "ZerothLawOfTropeExamples" [[Creator/WilliamShakespeare Shakespeare.]] Shakespeare. "Shall I compare thee to a summers day?" wasn't written about a woman, you know. Several of his plays also have a male character wooing a female character who is [[RecursiveCrossdressing both ''played'' by a man (often young men or boys whose voices haven't changed yet) and ''disguised'' as a man]]. End result: Two men on stage making out. ThatOtherWiki suggests that it might have been a [[OlderThanSteam very early]] form of {{Fanservice}}.
9th Feb '17 8:34:41 AM RubyVisiblyShaken
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* William "ZerothLawOfTropeExamples" Creator/WilliamShakespeare. "Shall I compare thee to a summers day?" wasn't written about a woman, you know. Several of his plays also have a male character wooing a female character who is [[RecursiveCrossdressing both ''played'' by a man (often young men or boys whose voices haven't changed yet) and ''disguised'' as a man]]. End result: Two men on stage making out. ThatOtherWiki suggests that it might have been a [[OlderThanSteam very early]] form of {{Fanservice}}.

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* William "ZerothLawOfTropeExamples" Creator/WilliamShakespeare. [[Creator/WilliamShakespeare Shakespeare.]] "Shall I compare thee to a summers day?" wasn't written about a woman, you know. Several of his plays also have a male character wooing a female character who is [[RecursiveCrossdressing both ''played'' by a man (often young men or boys whose voices haven't changed yet) and ''disguised'' as a man]]. End result: Two men on stage making out. ThatOtherWiki suggests that it might have been a [[OlderThanSteam very early]] form of {{Fanservice}}.
16th Jan '17 6:37:48 AM Morgenthaler
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* And let us not ignore the LesYay in certain plays, especially the extreme closeness between Cleopatra and her handmaidens or Rosalind and Celia in ''AsYouLikeIt''. And "But yet I cannot love him" Olivia in Twelfth Night. Once you start looking, the LesYay is everywhere!

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* And let us not ignore the LesYay in certain plays, especially the extreme closeness between Cleopatra and her handmaidens or Rosalind and Celia in ''AsYouLikeIt''.''Theatre/AsYouLikeIt''. And "But yet I cannot love him" Olivia in Twelfth Night. Once you start looking, the LesYay is everywhere!
27th May '16 11:30:38 PM Kuruni
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** This troper once saw a production where Horatio was played by a woman (but was still referred to as a man and with male pronouns). The director apparently took this as an excuse to make the HoYay [[OfficialCouple canon]]. Nary a moment were the two onstage together that they weren't touching.
** This troper saw a production where Horatio, never mind being played by a woman, was a woman. Who had a crush on Hamlet.



*** Also note that "purse" was a vaginal euphemism.



** The BBC Shakespeare version, it should be said, has Aufidius give this speech while putting his hand under Coriolanus' shirt and basically getting to second base.
** This Troper saw a version performed where Aufidius and Coriolanus ''kissed''.

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** The BBC Shakespeare version, it should be said, version has Aufidius give this speech while putting his hand under Coriolanus' shirt and basically getting to second base.
** This Troper saw a version performed where Aufidius and Coriolanus ''kissed''.
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** This troper studied ''AsYouLikeIt'' in a queer writing course. It's not only very, very intentional LesYay, it's also one of the UrExamples of queer subtext, and writers like Oscar Wilde drop references to it and other Shakespearean plays when they want to imply homosexual desire in their own works.



*** Speaking of Midsummer, ''someone'' has to have speculated about Oberon and Puck. And while we're at it, Titania and her now deceased handmaiden, who birthed the human child that provokes the fight between the two of them.
*** This troper's representation of A Midsummer Night's Dream featured a RunningGag of Titania asking her husband exactly ''why'' he wanted her ward so much that he was fighting with her over him. It included a lot of pointing out just how hot the actress looked in her Stripperiffic costume.
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