History Heartwarming / TheBorgias

6th Jun '15 6:05:32 PM DeathMessenger
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** Also from the finale, Rodrigo sitting down with Cesare after [[spoiler: burying Juan with his own hands]]. For one, he admits he is just as to blame as Cesare, admitting his flaws as a father made Cesare what he is, and then explains that he didn't grant Juan all his favors out of dislike for Cesare, but [[LikeFatherLikeSon because Cesare is too much like himself]] [[SelfDeprecation and a man favors his own image reflected less]]; he says all this with a sad, but fond smile. Then Cesare asks if Rodrigo may offer him forgiveness if not affection. [[spoiler: The poison takes hold before Rodrigo may answer, but his expression implies "yes", or at least "I'll try"]]. Cesare's expressions through the scene show that while he does not feel guilty for [[spoiler: killing Juan (and justifiably so)]], he never wanted to hurt his father, and sincerely wants his forgiveness; in fact, it's less [[spoiler: "Forgive me for killing my brother" and more "Forgive me for hurting you so, father"]].
5th Jun '15 8:51:42 PM DeathMessenger
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* In the finale, Rodrigo tries ''reaching out to Savonarola'' just before he's executed, declaring they're all sinners, and is willing to forgive him for all of his sins (and possibly spare him?). Savonarola, JerkAss KnightTemplar he is, spits on his face (though it's not like he could speak, since Micheletto cut out his tongue). But it's clear Rodrigo was sincere in his offer(he didn't know about the tongue thing, or that Savonarola's confession was false), and he had no reason or need to pay Savonarola that kindness in any way. It's also another scene that shows that the Borgias, bad as they are, ARE the comparatively noble ones, if only because they're willing to make peace, admit their flaws and offer sympathy, while people like [[TheRival the Sforza]], [[SinisterMinister the Cardinals]], [[TheFundamentalist Savonarola]] and [[KnightTemplar della Rovere]] are completely self-centered jerks and/or convinced of their own righteousness, and would never offer that courtesy. Also, while Savonarola screams and burns, [[KickTheSonOfABitch only Cesare looks pleased]]. [[EvenEvilHasStandards Rodrigo looks disturbed]].
25th May '14 8:26:00 PM Bishop999
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* When Juan brazenly admits to having [[spoiler:murdered Paolo in cold blood,]] Rodrigo's reaction is to charge him straight across the dinner table, enraged. Juan hurriedly reminds him that Rodrigo's own plans for Lucrezia would have demanded it in any case, which sort of calms his father down, but all hypocrisy aside, the scene makes it clear that while Rodrigo is fine with the assassination of political enemies, his own sons killing innocents does NOT fly with him, at least not on an emotional level.


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** When Juan brazenly admits to having [[spoiler:murdered Paolo in cold blood,]] Rodrigo's reaction is to charge him straight across the dinner table, enraged, and Juan hurriedly reminds him that Rodrigo's own plans for Lucrezia would have demanded it in any case. While Rodrigo can't berate or discipline Juan for the murder without barefaced hypocrisy, it's obvious that he really, ''really'' wants to, and the scene makes it clear that while he's fine with the assassination of political enemies, his own sons killing innocents does NOT fly with him, at least not on an emotional level.
25th May '14 8:17:34 PM Bishop999
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* When Juan brazenly admits to having [[spoiler:murdered Paolo in cold blood,]] Rodrigo's reaction is to charge him straight across the dinner table, enraged. Juan hurriedly reminds him that Rodrigo's own plans for Lucrezia would have demanded it in any case, which sort of calms his father down, but all hypocrisy aside, the scene makes it clear that while Rodrigo is fine with the assassination of political enemies, his own sons killing innocents does NOT fly with him, at least not on an emotional level.
17th May '14 7:27:19 PM DeathMessenger
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* In the episode "The Borgia Bull", Rodrigo keeps his EqualOpportunityEvil path by keeping Vittorio/[[SweetPollyOliver Vittoria's secret]] and employ her for his plans. The fact he's more confused by why she's hiding her beauty rather than worry about a woman being an artisan also shows he's far better than the likes of [[HeSheWomanHater Cardinal Versucci, whose dialogue in the second season entails in a) complain about Julia Farnese replacing him as the Vatican's accountant]]([[CorruptChurch Which he used to steal the money meant for the people]]) [[HeSheWomanHater and b) complain about Lucrezia standing for her father while he rides to fight King Charles.]]

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* In the episode "The Borgia Bull", Rodrigo keeps his EqualOpportunityEvil path by keeping Vittorio/[[SweetPollyOliver Vittoria's secret]] and employ her for his plans. The fact he's more confused by why she's hiding her beauty rather than worry about a woman being an artisan also shows he's far better than the likes of [[HeSheWomanHater [[HeManWomanHater Cardinal Versucci, whose dialogue in the second season entails in a) complain about Julia Farnese replacing him as the Vatican's accountant]]([[CorruptChurch Which he used to steal the money meant for the people]]) [[HeSheWomanHater [[HeManWomanHater and b) complain about Lucrezia standing for her father while he rides to fight King Charles.]]
17th May '14 7:26:42 PM DeathMessenger
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* In the episode "The Borgia Bull", Rodrigo keeps his EqualOpportunityEvil path by keeping Vittorio/[[SweetPollyOliver Vittoria's secret]] and employ her for his plans. The fact he's more confused by why she's hiding her beauty rather than worry about a woman being an artisan also shows he's far better than the likes of [[HeSheWomanHater Cardinal Versucci, whose dialogue in the second season entails in a) complain about Julia Farnese replacing him as the Vatican's accountant]]([[CorruptChurch Which he used to steal the money meant for the people]]) [[HeSheWomanHater and b) complain about Lucrezia standing for her father while he rides to fight King Charles.]]



* Cesare's efforts to reunite Lucrezia with Paolo despite knowing full well that neither his father nor his brother would approve it. And later, he scatters a staring crowd by waving his sword furiously to protect Lucrezia [[spoiler:as she weeps over Paolo's dead body]].

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* ** Cesare's efforts to reunite Lucrezia with Paolo despite knowing full well that neither his father nor his brother would approve it. And later, he scatters a staring crowd by waving his sword furiously to protect Lucrezia [[spoiler:as she weeps over Paolo's dead body]].
28th May '13 5:36:23 AM mzytryck
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** Becomes more obvious in the next episode when [[spoiler: Micheletto ''takes'' Giovanni from his nurse so he can hand-deliver him to Lucrezia himself.]]

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** Becomes more obvious in the next episode when [[spoiler: Micheletto ''takes'' Giovanni from his nurse so he can hand-deliver him to Lucrezia himself.]]
* 3x09 [[spoiler: Rodrigo and Cesare finally reconcile, Rodrigo forgives Cesare for murdering Juan, and they pledge to trust each other and work together to protect their family.]] It's made all the more heartwarming by the fact that it follows a huge Tearjerker where Rodrigo finally reveals all his self-loathing and anger over everything he's done [[IveComeTooFar and keeps doing.
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13th May '13 2:30:46 PM culturalrebel
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* Your mileage may vary ''very'' heavily on this one, but [[spoiler: Lucrezia and Cesare consummating their incest]] in season 3 episode 3 is the first time we've seen both of them genuinely happy in a long time, and while they know they're crossing a line, the scene itself is very tender, and if [[spoiler: they weren't brother and sister]] it would be one of the most gentle and loving sex scenes in the series.

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* Your mileage may vary ''very'' heavily on this one, but [[spoiler: Lucrezia and Cesare consummating their incest]] in season 3 episode 3 is the first time we've seen both of them genuinely happy in a long time, and while they know they're crossing a line, the scene itself is very tender, and if [[spoiler: they weren't brother and sister]] it would be one of the most gentle and loving sex scenes in the series.series.
* And then we have Micheletto [[spoiler: murdering the King of Naples in 3x05. Why? Because he wouldn't allow Lucrezia to bring Giovanni with her into the city. When you take into account how Micheletto always dotes on the baby, and how he tells Lucrezia that he would 'bind his children to him with steel' if he had any of his own, plus the fact that murdering him has no political benefit for Lucrezia (her husband isn't even next in line to the throne!) and it's clear that one of the show's most ruthless sociopaths has a soft spot for the child.]]
** Becomes more obvious in the next episode when [[spoiler: Micheletto ''takes'' Giovanni from his nurse so he can hand-deliver him to Lucrezia himself.]]
21st Apr '13 3:04:41 PM voodoochild
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* Rodrigo and Vannozza in "The Purge", after [[spoiler: Rodrigo survives the poisoning]]. Rodrigo talks about how, if he weren't Pope and had the choice, he'd want to retire to his vineyard in Spain with Vannozza. It's bittersweet, because it will never happen, but it's nice seeing the bit of humanity Rodrigo has left.
-->'''Rodrigo''': You make us feel safe, Vannozza.
21st Apr '13 3:52:05 AM mzytryck
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** Vannozza's involvement as well, allowing Lucrezia and Paolo to use her home despite the risk inherent. It's not the first time she's gone against Rodrigo's wishes, and she knows Juan disapproves as well. Add that to the fact that she "knows something about secrets" and loving a man who should be unattainable, and you can see that while she hates to see Lucrezia in this situation, she'll do what she can to make it better.

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** Vannozza's involvement as well, allowing Lucrezia and Paolo to use her home despite the risk inherent. It's not the first time she's gone against Rodrigo's wishes, and she knows Juan disapproves as well. Add that to the fact that she "knows something about secrets" and loving a man who should be unattainable, and you can see that while she hates to see Lucrezia in this situation, she'll do what she can to make it better.better.
* Your mileage may vary ''very'' heavily on this one, but [[spoiler: Lucrezia and Cesare consummating their incest]] in season 3 episode 3 is the first time we've seen both of them genuinely happy in a long time, and while they know they're crossing a line, the scene itself is very tender, and if [[spoiler: they weren't brother and sister]] it would be one of the most gentle and loving sex scenes in the series.
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