History Heartwarming / ArkhamAsylumASeriousHouseOnSeriousEarth

27th Nov '15 4:26:35 AM LentilSandEater
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*** YMMV may vary on both of those. Consider Joker's line about the outside world being the asylum, and insanity being a safe place to hide. Consider Harvey's belief that God made the world because he made a scarred-side-up coin flip, and therefore all of existence is evil and painful. With both those things in mind, Harvey was [[spoiler:probably playing the coin-toss straight, since ceasing to exist, or being stuck permanently in an over-run Arkham and being slowly driven insane, would mean a cessation of pain and misery, whereas leaving would mean having to repeat the thankless cycle of going back to Gotham and feeding more criminals back into Arkham only for them to escape again (an act which is, in story, considered corruptive and evil by some).]] This troper would list this as an AlternativeCharacterInterpretation, but she thought that was honestly how it was supposed to be read.
**** [[WordOfGod Morrison's annotated script]] describes what [[spoiler: Two-Face]] did as an act of compassion, so that's not how it's supposed to be read.
**** Or [[TakeAThirdOption maybe it's both]]. [[spoiler:Remember, Harvey was once a lawyer. And what do lawyers do? Twist around the laws to get the result they want. And in the end, EVERY decision has its good and evil consequences, so one could make an argument for ANY action being good or evil. In other words, maybe Harvey, in his small moment of compassion, CONVINCED HIMSELF that letting Batman go was the evil option...]]
**** Alternatively [[spoiler: Harvey's choice]] is supposed to lead to a [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliant]] CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: [[spoiler:when God flipped the moon and it fell scar-side-up, He still made the world because some things are too important to leave to chance.]]
9th Feb '15 8:52:38 PM biznizz
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** Even though you know The Joker was trying to insult him, his 'There will always be a place for you here' speech is a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming.
*** YMMV may vary on both of those. Consider Joker's line about the outside world being the asylum, and insanity being a safe place to hide. Consider Harvey's belief that God made the world because he made a scarred-side-up coin flip, and therefore all of existence is evil and painful. With both those things in mind, Harvey was [[spoiler:probably playing the coin-toss straight, since ceasing to exist, or being stuck permanently in an over-run Arkham and being slowly driven insane, would mean a cessation of pain and misery, whereas leaving would mean having to repeat the thankless cycle of going back to Gotham and feeding more criminals back into Arkham only for them to escape again (an act which is, in story, considered corruptive and evil by some).]] This troper would list this as an AlternativeCharacterInterpretation, but she thought that was honestly how it was supposed to be read.
**** [[WordOfGod Morrison's annotated script]] describes what [[spoiler: Two-Face]] did as an act of compassion, so that's not how it's supposed to be read.
**** Or [[TakeAThirdOption maybe it's both]]. [[spoiler:Remember, Harvey was once a lawyer. And what do lawyers do? Twist around the laws to get the result they want. And in the end, EVERY decision has its good and evil consequences, so one could make an argument for ANY action being good or evil. In other words, maybe Harvey, in his small moment of compassion, CONVINCED HIMSELF that letting Batman go was the evil option...]]
**** Alternatively [[spoiler: Harvey's choice]] is supposed to lead to a [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliant]] CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: [[spoiler:when God flipped the moon and it fell scar-side-up, He still made the world because some things are too important to leave to chance.]]
5th Feb '15 1:16:30 PM KentuckyTroper1990
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** Even though you know The Joker was trying to insult him, his 'There will always be a place for you here' speech is a CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming.
*** YMMV may vary on both of those. Consider Joker's line about the outside world being the asylum, and insanity being a safe place to hide. Consider Harvey's belief that God made the world because he made a scarred-side-up coin flip, and therefore all of existence is evil and painful. With both those things in mind, Harvey was [[spoiler:probably playing the coin-toss straight, since ceasing to exist, or being stuck permanently in an over-run Arkham and being slowly driven insane, would mean a cessation of pain and misery, whereas leaving would mean having to repeat the thankless cycle of going back to Gotham and feeding more criminals back into Arkham only for them to escape again (an act which is, in story, considered corruptive and evil by some).]] This troper would list this as an AlternativeCharacterInterpretation, but she thought that was honestly how it was supposed to be read.
**** [[WordOfGod Morrison's annotated script]] describes what [[spoiler: Two-Face]] did as an act of compassion, so that's not how it's supposed to be read.
**** Or [[TakeAThirdOption maybe it's both]]. [[spoiler:Remember, Harvey was once a lawyer. And what do lawyers do? Twist around the laws to get the result they want. And in the end, EVERY decision has its good and evil consequences, so one could make an argument for ANY action being good or evil. In other words, maybe Harvey, in his small moment of compassion, CONVINCED HIMSELF that letting Batman go was the evil option...]]
**** Alternatively [[spoiler: Harvey's choice]] is supposed to lead to a [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliant]] CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: [[spoiler:when God flipped the moon and it fell scar-side-up, He still made the world because some things are too important to leave to chance.]]
5th Feb '15 1:15:31 PM KentuckyTroper1990
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* [[spoiler: Two-Face finally overcoming his reliance upon his coin by letting his old friend Batman go, even though it came up scarred (which he declared would mean the inmates could kill him), without letting either Batman or the other inmates know it did. The little smile he gives afterward will probably give you one too.]]

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* [[spoiler: Two-Face finally overcoming [[spoiler:overcoming his reliance upon his coin by letting his old friend Batman go, even though it came up scarred (which he declared would mean the inmates could kill him), without letting either Batman or the other inmates know it did. The little smile he gives afterward will probably give you one too.]]
2nd Nov '14 10:30:07 PM jedidarrick
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** Even though you know The Joker was trying to insult him, his 'There will always be a place for you here' speech is a CMoH.

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** Even though you know The Joker was trying to insult him, his 'There will always be a place for you here' speech is a CMoH.CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming.
2nd Nov '14 10:28:29 PM jedidarrick
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**** Alternatively [[spoiler: Harvey's choice]] is supposed to lead to a [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliant]] CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: [[spoiler:when God flipped the moon and it fell scar-side-up, He still made the world because some things are too important to leave to chance.]]
** Even though you know The Joker was trying to insult him, his 'There will always be a place for you here' speech is a HeartwarmingMoment.
*** YMMV may vary on both of those. Consider Joker's line about the outside world being the asylum, and insanity being a safe place to hide. Consider Harvey's belief that God made the world because he made a scarred-side-up coin flip, and therefore all of existence is evil and painful. With both those things in mind, Harvey was [[spoiler:probably playing the coin-toss straight, since ceasing to exist, or being stuck permanently in an over-run Arkham and being slowly driven insane, would mean a cessation of pain and misery, whereas leaving would mean having to repeat the thankless cycle of going back to Gotham and feeding more criminals back into Arkham only for them to escape again (an act which is, in story, considered corruptive and evil by some).]]

to:

**** Alternatively [[spoiler: Harvey's choice]] is supposed to lead to a [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliant]] CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: [[spoiler:when God flipped the moon and it fell scar-side-up, He still made the world because some things are too important to leave to chance.]]
** Even though you know The Joker was trying to insult him, his 'There will always be a place for you here' speech is a HeartwarmingMoment.
*** YMMV may vary on both of those. Consider Joker's line about the outside world being the asylum, and insanity being a safe place to hide. Consider Harvey's belief that God made the world because he made a scarred-side-up coin flip, and therefore all of existence is evil and painful. With both those things in mind, Harvey was [[spoiler:probably playing the coin-toss straight, since ceasing to exist, or being stuck permanently in an over-run Arkham and being slowly driven insane, would mean a cessation of pain and misery, whereas leaving would mean having to repeat the thankless cycle of going back to Gotham and feeding more criminals back into Arkham only for them to escape again (an act which is, in story, considered corruptive and evil by some).
]]
13th Oct '14 12:04:10 AM biznizz
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** Even though you know The Joker was trying to insult him, his 'There will always be a place for you here' speech is a CMoH.
*** YMMV may vary on both of those. Consider Joker's line about the outside world being the asylum, and insanity being a safe place to hide. Consider Harvey's belief that God made the world because he made a scarred-side-up coin flip, and therefore all of existence is evil and painful. With both those things in mind, Harvey was [[spoiler:probably playing the coin-toss straight, since ceasing to exist, or being stuck permanently in an over-run Arkham and being slowly driven insane, would mean a cessation of pain and misery, whereas leaving would mean having to repeat the thankless cycle of going back to Gotham and feeding more criminals back into Arkham only for them to escape again (an act which is, in story, considered corruptive and evil by some).]] This troper would list this as an AlternativeCharacterInterpretation, but she thought that was honestly how it was supposed to be read.
**** [[WordOfGod Morrison's annotated script]] describes what [[spoiler: Two-Face]] did as an act of compassion, so that's not how it's supposed to be read.
**** Or [[TakeAThirdOption maybe it's both]]. [[spoiler:Remember, Harvey was once a lawyer. And what do lawyers do? Twist around the laws to get the result they want. And in the end, EVERY decision has its good and evil consequences, so one could make an argument for ANY action being good or evil. In other words, maybe Harvey, in his small moment of compassion, CONVINCED HIMSELF that letting Batman go was the evil option...]]
**** Alternatively [[spoiler: Harvey's choice]] is supposed to lead to a [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliant]] CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: [[spoiler:when God flipped the moon and it fell scar-side-up, He still made the world because some things are too important to leave to chance.]]
29th Oct '13 1:15:34 PM TheMysteriousTroper
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** Even though you know The Joker was trying to insult him, his 'There will always be a place for you here' speech is a CMoH.

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** Even though you know The Joker was trying to insult him, his 'There will always be a place for you here' speech is a CMoH.HeartwarmingMoment.
22nd Aug '13 8:56:18 AM Gregzilla
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*** YMMV may vary on both of those. Consider Joker's line about the outside world being the asylum, and insanity being a safe place to hide. Consider Harvey's belief that God made the world because he made a scarred-side-up coin flip, and therefore all of existence is evil and painful. With both those things in mind, Harvey was [[spoiler:probably playing the coin-toss straight, since ceasing to exist, or being stuck permanently in an over-run Arkham and being slowly driven insane, would mean a cessation of pain and misery, whereas leaving would mean having to repeat the thankless cycle of going back to Gotham and feeding more criminals back into Arkham only for them to escape again (an act which is, in story, considered corruptive and evil by some).]] This troper would list this as an AlternativeCharacterInterpretation, but she thought that was honestly how it was supposed to be read.
**** [[WordOfGod Morrison's annotated script]] describes what [[spoiler: Two-Face]] did as an act of compassion, so that's not how it's supposed to be read.
**** Or [[TakeAThirdOption maybe it's both]]. [[spoiler:Remember, Harvey was once a lawyer. And what do lawyers do? Twist around the laws to get the result they want. And in the end, EVERY decision has its good and evil consequences, so one could make an argument for ANY action being good or evil. In other words, maybe Harvey, in his small moment of compassion, CONVINCED HIMSELF that letting Batman go was the evil option...]]
**** Alternatively [[spoiler: Harvey's choice]] is supposed to lead to a [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliant]] CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: [[spoiler:when God flipped the moon and it fell scar-side-up, He still made the world because some things are too important to leave to chance.]]

to:

*** YMMV may vary on both of those. Consider Joker's line about the outside world being the asylum, and insanity being a safe place to hide. Consider Harvey's belief that God made the world because he made a scarred-side-up coin flip, and therefore all of existence is evil and painful. With both those things in mind, Harvey was [[spoiler:probably playing the coin-toss straight, since ceasing to exist, or being stuck permanently in an over-run Arkham and being slowly driven insane, would mean a cessation of pain and misery, whereas leaving would mean having to repeat the thankless cycle of going back to Gotham and feeding more criminals back into Arkham only for them to escape again (an act which is, in story, considered corruptive and evil by some).]] This troper would list this as an AlternativeCharacterInterpretation, but she thought that was honestly how it was supposed to be read.
**** [[WordOfGod Morrison's annotated script]] describes what [[spoiler: Two-Face]] did as an act of compassion, so that's not how it's supposed to be read.
**** Or [[TakeAThirdOption maybe it's both]]. [[spoiler:Remember, Harvey was once a lawyer. And what do lawyers do? Twist around the laws to get the result they want. And in the end, EVERY decision has its good and evil consequences, so one could make an argument for ANY action being good or evil. In other words, maybe Harvey, in his small moment of compassion, CONVINCED HIMSELF that letting Batman go was the evil option...]]
**** Alternatively [[spoiler: Harvey's choice]] is supposed to lead to a [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliant]] CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: [[spoiler:when God flipped the moon and it fell scar-side-up, He still made the world because some things are too important to leave to chance.
]]
4th May '13 3:07:20 AM biznizz
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*** The original script states: "Two-Face smiles a smile intended only for himself, slipping the coin into his breast pocket. At the end, he has transcended destiny and made himself free, if only for this one time of his life." The 15th anniversary annotation by Morrison further notes: "Harvey Dent transcends his role here and steps out of the game, ending it with an act of defiant compassion."

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*** The original script states: "Two-Face smiles a smile intended only for himself, slipping the coin into his breast pocket. At the end, he has transcended destiny and made himself free, if only for this one time of his life." The 15th anniversary annotation by Morrison further notes: "Harvey Dent transcends his role here and steps out of the game, ending it with an act of defiant compassion.""
** Even though you know The Joker was trying to insult him, his 'There will always be a place for you here' speech is a CMoH.
*** YMMV may vary on both of those. Consider Joker's line about the outside world being the asylum, and insanity being a safe place to hide. Consider Harvey's belief that God made the world because he made a scarred-side-up coin flip, and therefore all of existence is evil and painful. With both those things in mind, Harvey was [[spoiler:probably playing the coin-toss straight, since ceasing to exist, or being stuck permanently in an over-run Arkham and being slowly driven insane, would mean a cessation of pain and misery, whereas leaving would mean having to repeat the thankless cycle of going back to Gotham and feeding more criminals back into Arkham only for them to escape again (an act which is, in story, considered corruptive and evil by some).]] This troper would list this as an AlternativeCharacterInterpretation, but she thought that was honestly how it was supposed to be read.
**** [[WordOfGod Morrison's annotated script]] describes what [[spoiler: Two-Face]] did as an act of compassion, so that's not how it's supposed to be read.
**** Or [[TakeAThirdOption maybe it's both]]. [[spoiler:Remember, Harvey was once a lawyer. And what do lawyers do? Twist around the laws to get the result they want. And in the end, EVERY decision has its good and evil consequences, so one could make an argument for ANY action being good or evil. In other words, maybe Harvey, in his small moment of compassion, CONVINCED HIMSELF that letting Batman go was the evil option...]]
**** Alternatively [[spoiler: Harvey's choice]] is supposed to lead to a [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliant]] CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: [[spoiler:when God flipped the moon and it fell scar-side-up, He still made the world because some things are too important to leave to chance.]]
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