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21st Jun '17 11:22:36 PM lalalei2001
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* If the Puppeteer of Doom from the manga and Mimic of Doom from the anime both exist in ''VideoGame/YuGiOhReshefOfDestruction'' how did that world's Duelist Kingdom go in regards to the Kaiba ruse?
21st Jun '17 9:59:37 PM lalalei2001
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*** Regarding Amane being dead: it's WordOfGod. Takahashi wrote a book of bonus information called "The Gospel of Truth", which mentions Amane died in a car accident. (Personally, based on the letter-writing scene, the contents of the letter, and the fact that Bakura's subplot at that point in the manga is pretty much about him being a NewTransferStudent, I tend to assume her being dead is actually a RetCon. In the letter, he asks how she's doing at school, which is either a pretty batty thing to ask your dead sister or a perfectly normal thing to ask your sister who's alive and well and living in the town you just moved away from. In that case, the letter-writing scene would have just been there to emphasize that he's isolated and homesick, but later Takahashi decided to RetCon her as dead. Which isn't to say it's not also possible that she was actually meant to be dead as of that scene, and Bakura is just a little batty and figures dead people go to school.)

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*** Regarding Amane being dead: it's WordOfGod. Takahashi wrote a book of bonus information called "The Gospel of Truth", which mentions Amane died in a car accident. (Personally, Personally, based on the letter-writing scene, the contents of the letter, and the fact that Bakura's subplot at that point in the manga is pretty much about him being a NewTransferStudent, I tend to assume her being dead is actually a RetCon. In the letter, he asks how she's doing at school, which is either a pretty batty thing to ask your dead sister or a perfectly normal thing to ask your sister who's alive and well and living in the town you just moved away from. In that case, the letter-writing scene would have just been there to emphasize that he's isolated and homesick, but later Takahashi decided to RetCon her as dead. Which isn't to say it's not also possible that she was actually meant to be dead as of that scene, and Bakura is just a little batty and figures dead people go to school.)school.
*** The school thing could also be a coping mechanism to help him deal with her death.



** Remember that the manga and anime continuities are completely different. The original manga implies that Dark Bakura is a merge of the Thief King and Zorc (with Zorc being dominant - everyone who Zorc infects essentially becomes Zorc). The anime adaptation has him being just Zorc.



** [[https://desertrose3000.tumblr.com/post/145511263929/sonofasphinx-thewittyphantom This post]] goes into a ton of detail about how confusing manga Ryou is.



** Apparently the Puzzle can produce some sort of protective shield- in an early manga chapter, using its power caused a die thrown at his forehead to break in half, and there's also what happened in his duel against the Player Killer of Darkness in Duelist Kingdom.
** That was fast. Then would the puzzle had protect Yugi from the spinning saws in the case he lost?
*** Atem was a bit of a RealityWarper back when the shield happened. It was probably either a temporary thing, or an illusion to fuck with his opponent's head. He loves doing that.
*** Actually in that manga chapter the die made a cracking noise, like it hit something solid, and once it fell away it was revealed that Atem had actually used the Millennium Puzzle to block the die. The die cracked because it [[http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/YuGiOh2/149264-20.html hit the tip of the puzzle.]]

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** Apparently the Puzzle can produce some sort of protective shield- shield, as seen in an early manga chapter, using its power caused a die thrown at his forehead to break in half, and there's also what happened the anime in his duel against the Player Killer of Darkness in Duelist Kingdom.
** That was fast. Then would the puzzle had protect Yugi from the spinning saws in the case he lost?
*** Atem was a bit of a RealityWarper back when the shield happened. It was probably either a temporary thing, or an illusion to fuck with his opponent's head. He loves doing that.
*** Actually in that manga chapter the die made a cracking noise, like it hit something solid, and once it fell away it was revealed that Atem had actually used the Millennium Puzzle to block the die. The die cracked because it [[http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/YuGiOh2/149264-20.html hit the tip of the puzzle.]]
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*** I'm guessing that after Shadi went into Yugi's mind, he realised that it wasn't a simple matter of the Millennium Eye being stolen, but of [[BecauseDestinySaysSo destined events playing out]]. Similar to the Toei anime and manga where his initial reaction to Yugi having the Millennium Puzzle is to try and take it from him. When he realises that Yugi can use its power, he understands that it is ''meant'' to belong to him.
** Same troper as above, and this is another adaptation of season 0 that annoys me. During the duel against Bakura in Duelist Kingdom, they make a big thing about one of the heroes having to be sacrificed to get rid of the Man Eater Bug. Incredibly sad, I'm sure. But then, it's Yugi's turn. Why doesn't he just summon another monster and sacrifice that?

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*** ** I'm guessing that after Shadi went into Yugi's mind, he realised that it wasn't a simple matter of the Millennium Eye being stolen, but of [[BecauseDestinySaysSo destined events playing out]]. Similar to the Toei anime and manga where his initial reaction to Yugi having the Millennium Puzzle is to try and take it from him. When he realises that Yugi can use its power, he understands that it is ''meant'' to belong to him.
** Same troper as above, and this is another adaptation of season 0 the manga that annoys me. During the duel against Bakura in Duelist Kingdom, they make a big thing about one of the heroes having to be sacrificed to get rid of the Man Eater Bug. Incredibly sad, I'm sure. But then, it's Yugi's turn. Why doesn't he just summon another monster and sacrifice that?



*** The sacrifice wasn't so much as too attack the Man-Eater Bug, as it was a sacrifice to activate the Horn of Heaven card, which in the real game at least requires a sacrifice in order to activate. Though that still leaves the question of whether or not Yugi had another monster card in his hand.

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*** The sacrifice wasn't so much as too to attack the Man-Eater Bug, as it was a sacrifice to activate the Horn of Heaven card, which in the real game at least requires a sacrifice in order to activate. Though that still leaves the question of whether or not Yugi had another monster card in his hand.



** Bakura's actions in that duel are also bizarre. In the last turn, immediately before he plays Change of Heart in order to (so he thinks) take control of Yugi/Dark Magician, he summons a normal monster in defense mode. This is pointless, because if he had just attacked with Dark Magician, he would have won without needing any other attacks (and his monster was in defense mode anyway, so it wouldn't have mattered). Because he did this, Ryou/Change of Heart [[note]]don't ask how Ryou could possess a ''Spell Card''...[[/note]] takes control of his own monster, costing Bakura the duel. If he had just [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim played Change of Heart and attacked]], he would have won. The writers kind of wrote themselves into a corner with that one.
** I looked up the duel in the Yugioh Wiki, and it turns out that Bakura actually played Lady of Faith in attack mode (that is the normal monster you are referring to, yes?) Now, it might be just me, but if I were to use a finishing move in a duel, I would always have a plan B in mind. Lady of Faith has 1100 atk, while the weakest monster on Yugi's field (In this case, Magician of Faith/Tea, who was also in attack mode due to the effects of being a flip monster) had 300 atk. Yami Yugi had 500 LP at the time, and even if Bakura's Change of Heart didn't work (due to...something?), Bakura would have still had the advantage of winning, as it was still his turn (More specifically, his Main Phase 1 transitioning to Battle Phase). Luckily, due to the Power of Friendship, this never happened.
** Regarding the same situation as mentioned above, I was always confused as to why Pegasus never forewarned Yugi and co. about Bakura. I know he dies in the manga, so there they have no way of knowing, but in the anime, he is very much alive and could have contacted Yugi privately at any given time to discuss the whole deal. I suppose it was all just really [[AdaptationDecay irresponsible writing on part of the anime]], but hell, would it have been so hard to slip that in at some point? If they can go the whole fucking DOMA arc with directions and clues to defeating Dartz and Paradias and whatnot, then at some point Pegasus can say, "Oh yeah, Yugi-boy, by the way, your pale-skinned, sometimes-evil, antisocial friend tore my Millenium Eye out and then went on his merry way. Take care!" It wouldn't really make much sense, but at least there'd be consistence of some sort. I am forced to believe that either the writers of the anime wanted to imply that the shock of having an eye torn out of its socket for the second time in his life caused him enough trauma to forget what led to the event, or they thought we'd all be stupid and forget that little detail.

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** Bakura's actions in that duel are also bizarre. In the last turn, immediately before he plays Change of Heart in order to (so he thinks) take control of Yugi/Dark Magician, he summons a normal monster in defense mode. This is pointless, because if he had just attacked with Dark Magician, he would have won without needing any other attacks (and his monster was in defense mode anyway, so it wouldn't have mattered). Because he did this, Ryou/Change of Heart [[note]]don't ask how Ryou could possess a ''Spell Card''...[[/note]] takes control of his own monster, costing Bakura the duel. If he had just [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim played Change of Heart and attacked]], he would have won. The writers kind of wrote themselves into a corner with that one.
** I looked up the duel in the Yugioh Wiki, and it turns out that Bakura actually played Lady of Faith in attack mode (that is the normal monster you are referring to, yes?) Attack mode. Now, it might be just me, but if I were to use a finishing move in a duel, I would always have a plan B in mind. Lady of Faith has 1100 atk, while the weakest monster on Yugi's field (In this case, Magician of Faith/Tea, who was also in attack mode due to the effects of being a flip monster) had 300 atk. Yami Yugi had 500 LP at the time, and even if Bakura's Change of Heart didn't work (due to...something?), Bakura would have still had the advantage of winning, as it was still his turn (More specifically, his Main Phase 1 transitioning to Battle Phase). Luckily, due to the Power of Friendship, this never happened.
** Regarding the same situation as mentioned above, I was always confused as to why Pegasus never forewarned Yugi and co. about Bakura. I know he dies in the manga, so there they have no way of knowing, but in the anime, he is very much alive and could have contacted Yugi privately at any given time to discuss the whole deal. I suppose it was all just really [[AdaptationDecay irresponsible writing on part of the anime]], but hell, would it have been so hard to slip that in at some point? If they can go the whole fucking DOMA arc with directions and clues to defeating Dartz and Paradias and whatnot, then at some point Pegasus can say, "Oh yeah, Yugi-boy, by the way, your pale-skinned, sometimes-evil, antisocial friend tore my Millenium Eye out and then went on his merry way. Take care!" It wouldn't really make much sense, but at least there'd be consistence of some sort. I am forced to believe that either the writers of the anime wanted to imply that the shock of having an eye torn out of its socket for the second time in his life caused him enough trauma to forget what led to the event, or they thought we'd all be stupid and forget that little detail.



* The timeline. Pegasus met Cecilia when he was 12, at 18 they were married, and she developed a terminal illness. Distraught, Pegasus roamed the earth, coming to Egypt, got his Millennium Eye and created Duel Monsters. 6 years later, when he's 24, the series begins. Okay, but 6 years before the series began, when Seto Kaiba was 12 (or 10 in the Japanese, but that just further complicates things), he was heavily into the game, with his cards being the only thing that got him through Gozaburo's torture. So that would put him being a huge fan of the game at the point when Cecilia was either dying or recently dead, and Pegasus had yet to create the game.
** To give a very stupid answer, Kaiba is a Time Lord and he's played the game for his entire life. Course, even though it explains his extreme obsession with the game, it does cause many different plot holes....
*** Maybe Pegasus lost the ability to keep track of time properly after getting the Millennium Eye, or something.
** My theory is that Pegasus had always had an interest in ancient Egypt and had already created a basic version of Duel Monsters (which in its earliest stages was similar to Pokemon) before his fiancee died, then during a period of grief his enthusiasm turned to obsession and the game started to get darker. Notice how the early monsters looked non-threatening (save for Summoned Skull, who was originally the most powerful Fiend in the game), while later in the story the majority of monsters look sinister and the Spell and Trap cards increased in number.



** All the times I've seen it, the Millennium Puzzle miraculously swings very left or very right, so Yugi/Yami doesn't suffer pain to their bodies when the Puzzle ends up to his side and not under him.

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** All the times I've seen it, the Millennium Puzzle miraculously swings very left or very right, so Yugi/Yami doesn't suffer pain to their bodies when the Puzzle ends up to on his side and not under him.



* Why the HELL did Joey's parents have a SolomonDivorce? It was obvious that Joey loved his sister, and that it really hurt him to be separated from her. Adding to that, his dad was a drunk and a gambling addict (which I'm going to assume was the reason for the divorce). Why leave a child in that kind of environment? Did she have some kind of vendetta against her son or something? Why the hell would she leave her own son in such an obviously abusive environment?

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* Why the HELL did Joey's parents have a SolomonDivorce? It was obvious that Joey loved his sister, and that it really hurt him to be separated from her. Adding to that, his dad was a drunk and a gambling addict (which I'm going to assume was the reason for the divorce). Why leave a child in that kind of environment? Did she have some kind of vendetta against her son or something? Why the hell would she leave her own son in such an obviously abusive environment?



** It probably helps if you learn how the magic in this series works. He didn't beat them in a game ("Mind Crush" is a Penalty Game - which, bar the anime's own AdaptationInducedPlotholes, you can only give Penalty Games to losers of games - particularly Shadow Games). And mind crushing would probably be DisproportionateRetribution anyway.
*** It still makes one wonder why Tristan or Tea didn't do anything about it. Deal or not, one of their best friends is being harassed and taunted by a bunch of obnoxious girls, and they're not even going to say one word of protest against it? Even if he wasn't allowed to do physically anything about it, Tristan could've at least said something like "Don't make me come over there!", just to shut them up.
*** Just read the manga version of this arc. It's actually completely different, and none of the characters let it get to that point. Jonouchi (Joey) keeps his dignity.

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** It probably helps if Anime Mokuba, manga Keith, and Toei Mr. Karita instances aside, you learn how the magic in this series works. He didn't beat them in can't give someone a penalty game without playing a game ("Mind Crush" is a Penalty Game - which, bar with them first, and since Yugi was dueling Duke he couldn't do anything until the anime's own AdaptationInducedPlotholes, you can only give Penalty Games to losers of games - particularly Shadow Games). And mind crushing would probably be DisproportionateRetribution anyway.
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It still makes one wonder why Tristan or Tea didn't do anything about it. Deal or not, one of their best friends is being harassed and taunted by a bunch of obnoxious girls, and they're not even going to say one word of protest against it? Even if he wasn't allowed to do physically anything about it, Tristan could've at least said something like "Don't make me come over there!", just to shut them up.
*** Just read the manga version of this arc. It's actually completely different, and none of the characters let it get to that point. Jonouchi (Joey) keeps his dignity.
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** He also destroyed it because you can only have 3 of a card in a deck.



* I know the characters make such a big deal about playing by the rules, but if your life is on the line cheating would be the wise thing to do. None of the villians amed ever try to shoot Yugi or his friends right before they lose.

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* I know the characters make such a big deal about playing by the rules, but if your life is on the line cheating would be the wise thing to do. None of the villians amed villains named ever try to shoot Yugi or his friends right before they lose.
21st Jun '17 9:21:27 PM lalalei2001
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** In the manga not only do they hate each other, it's mutual, as Joey never forgave Kaiba for Death-T and trying to murder them, and even after the Mind Crush, Kaiba waited until he was sure Joey drowned before dropping the key to save him, and later wished he'd ''stayed'' dead after his temporary death to Yami Marik. Among other things, Kaiba repeatedly mocks him as a commoner, a worthless duelist, and a waste of space.
21st Jun '17 9:15:52 PM mister-bittersweet
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** It's because Yami Marik merged with Ra by sacrificing his Life Points, so it's kind of like saying his body and Life Points are fusion material that fuse with Ra. Therefore, when he does use De-Fusion to separate from Ra, he gets back his Life Points and his body reverts to normal.
21st Jun '17 9:03:03 PM mister-bittersweet
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*** Assuming the cards he used against Mai were his own deck, that would've made things worse for him, as he used cards that the Rare Hunters used like Des Guardius and Revival Jam, so Yugi and Kaiba, who had experience dueling Rare Hunters, would've been able to put two and two together, and realize that he's either the real Malik, or at best they would think he's an underling working for Rishid/Odion, who they assume is Malik at the time. But still, they would be suspicious of the guy whose deck just happens to use cards used by the other Rare Hunters.


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** RuleOfSymbolism is in full effect here, as Red Eyes was used to emphasize how Joey/Jounouchi was supporting Yugi in spirit, but it had no impact on the duel at all. Like the original post mentioned, one attack destroyed Yugi's Magnet Warrior, one was stopped by Magician's Selection, and the last one was stopped by Spellbinding Circle. Dark Magician would attack the Blue Eyes that was weakened by Spellbinding Circle instead of Red Eyes, with a slight difference in battle damage. Dark Paladin still would've had 4400 attack points because of the three Blue Eyes on the field, and because he attacked them all at the same time with Diffusion Wave Motion, the damage (1400 per dragon X 3 dragons) would still be enough to deplete Kaiba's Life Points.
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** Because Kaiba does not like Joey on a personal level. Ergo, Kaiba rates Joey low and thinks nothing of him.
7th May '17 7:22:11 PM 09MurphyM
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* What would have happened to Marik's good side if anzu had lost?
19th Apr '17 6:26:40 PM Kayube
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** Imagine that there were no cards, and the series were all about magic-users actually summoning monsters and using spells to fight each other. It'd get boring if they kept using the same tactics in every battle, right? It's the same thing here; they add in new cards so that you can see them using new moves rather than using the same ones every time.

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** Imagine that there were no cards, and the series were all about magic-users actually summoning monsters and using spells to fight each other. It'd get boring if they kept using the same tactics in every battle, right? It's the same thing here; they add in new cards so that you can see them using new moves rather than using the same ones every time. And the cards kind of have to come out of nowhere- otherwise they'd have to stop the plot every so often to show the characters opening booster packs and reading out the card effects.
30th Mar '17 9:21:56 AM Xlsfd
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* Why does everyone start with only 4000 LP (2000 up to and including Duelist Kingdom)? The only reason I can think of is "So that Duels can be finished in less than three episodes". However, in Anime/YuGiOhTheDarkSideOfDimensions, all players are shown to start with 8000 LP. And in the dub, the movie happens about six months after the Atem vs Yugi duel, so it is set in the gap between the first anime and [=GX=].

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* Why does everyone start with only 4000 LP (2000 up to and including Duelist Kingdom)? The only reason I can think of is "So that Duels can be finished in less than three episodes". However, in Anime/YuGiOhTheDarkSideOfDimensions, all players are shown to start with 8000 LP. And in the dub, the movie happens about six months after the Atem vs Yugi duel, so it is set in the gap between the first anime Duel Monsters and [=GX=].
29th Mar '17 1:05:23 PM Xlsfd
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* Why does everyone start with only 4000 LP (2000 up to and including Duelist Kingdom)? The only reason I can think of is "So that Duels can be finished in less than three episodes". However, in Anime/YuGiOhTheDarkSideOfDimensions, all players are shown to start with 8000 LP. And in the dub, the movie happens about six months after the Atem vs Yugi duel, so it is set in the gap between the first anime and [=GX=].
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