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** Going by the literary source ( Fengshen Yanyi), Nu Wa didn't sent Daji to King Zhou as direct revenge: she was originally going to punish him personally, but then saw that, according to the Will of Heaven (Fate), King Zhou was supposed to fall many years later. So she opted to send the three spirits of Emperor Xuanyuan's Barrow (Daji the fox, the Nine-Headed Pheasant and the Stone Lute) to plague King Zhou and accellerate his fall into depravity. And no corruption for Daji (the hulijing), she already was evil (in fact, she possess the real Su Daji by sucking out her soul). Given the theme of Fate in the novel, even if Nu Wa didn't sent her, everything would have happened all the same.
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** It's called SadlyMythtaken. It's common that stories don't follow mythologies by the book. Look at Disney's ''Disney/{{Hercules}}'': they made Hera a loving mother and Zeus a benevolent god but in mythology, they're not good people (Hera's a jealous bitch who hates her husband's half-mortal bastard children while Zeus's a tyrant and a rapist). Same goes with Marvel's rendition of the Asgardians; Loki in the comics is Odin's adopted son rather than his blood brother. Koei's different interpretation of mythical characters is similar to how they interpreted the historical characters. So, it's not surprising that they made Da Ji a conniving bitch.
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** It's called SadlyMythtaken. It's common that stories don't follow mythologies by the book. Look at Disney's ''Disney/{{Hercules}}'': ''WesternAnimation/{{Hercules}}'': they made Hera a loving mother and Zeus a benevolent god but in mythology, they're not good people (Hera's a jealous bitch who hates her husband's half-mortal bastard children while Zeus's a tyrant and a rapist). Same goes with Marvel's rendition of the Asgardians; Loki in the comics is Odin's adopted son rather than his blood brother. Koei's different interpretation of mythical characters is similar to how they interpreted the historical characters. So, it's not surprising that they made Da Ji a conniving bitch.
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*** Or... the reverse. One thing you don't do to Capcom either is insult one of their poster boys, this being [[Franchise/{{Onimusha}} Samanosuke/Akechi Hidemitsu]], who's given a scene where Nobunaga kills him in ''Kessen 3''. Which predates Basara 2.
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*** Or... the reverse. One thing you don't do to Capcom either is insult one of their poster boys, this being [[Franchise/{{Onimusha}} [[VideoGame/{{Onimusha}} Samanosuke/Akechi Hidemitsu]], who's given a scene where Nobunaga kills him in ''Kessen 3''. Which predates Basara 2.
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** It's called SadlyMythtaken. It's common that stories don't follow mythologies by the book. Look at Disney's ''Disney/{{Hercules}}'': they made Hera a loving mother and Zeus a benevolent god but in mythology, they're not good people (Hera's a jealous bitch who hates her husband's half-mortal bastard children while Zeus's a tyrant and a rapist). Same goes with Marvel's rendition of the Asgardians; Loki in the comics is Odin's adopted son rather than his blood brother. Koei's different interpretation of mythical characters is similar to how they interpreted the historical characters. So, it's not surprising that they made Da Ji a conniving bitch.
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*Also, historically, Masamune was not exactly a trusted figure. He was ambitious and, shall we say, less than trusted by most. It's possible that this was a chance to really showcase that aspect instead of him being overshadowed by Nobunaga Oda
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*** Or... the reverse. One thing you don't do to Capcom either is insult one of their poster boys, this being [[VideoGame/{{Onimusha}} [[Franchise/{{Onimusha}} Samanosuke/Akechi Hidemitsu]], who's given a scene where Nobunaga kills him in ''Kessen 3''. Which predates Basara 2.
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*** May be wrong, Masamune-Yukimura rivalry in BASARA reaches HoYay level. The one thing that irked Koei is that Capcom made Kanetsugu (who appears first in Basara 2), into JokeCharacter per excellence who constantly boasts he's invincible. Kanetsugu was one of Koei's dear boys (aside of Yukimura and Mitsunari), thus they didn't take it well and took the two poster boys of Basara in the second game who's not Yukimura (Masamune and Keiji) into Orochi's underlings. Do note that WarriorsOrochi is released after VideoGame/SengokuBasara 2.
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*** May be wrong, Masamune-Yukimura rivalry in BASARA reaches HoYay level. The one thing that irked Koei is that Capcom made Kanetsugu (who appears first in Basara 2), into JokeCharacter per excellence who constantly boasts he's invincible. Kanetsugu was one of Koei's dear boys (aside of Yukimura and Mitsunari), thus they didn't take it well and took the two poster boys of Basara in the second game who's not Yukimura (Masamune and Keiji) into Orochi's underlings. Do note that WarriorsOrochi VideoGame/WarriorsOrochi is released after VideoGame/SengokuBasara 2.
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** All this makes it seem that KOEI just simply hate Masamune and wants him to be the token '[[ObviouslyEvil Obviously]] EvilOverlord' of VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors just like [[VideoGame/DynastyWarriors Dong Zhuo]] (Fuuma wasn't a warlord). The only thing that could break him is for an additional Date officer to be included in ''SamuraiWarriors 3'', and subsequently getting carried over to the third Orochi series. However, judging with how it looks, KOEI seems to have no intention for that and is satisfied for having him the villain.
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** All this makes it seem that KOEI just simply hate Masamune and wants him to be the token '[[ObviouslyEvil Obviously]] EvilOverlord' of VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors just like [[VideoGame/DynastyWarriors Dong Zhuo]] (Fuuma wasn't a warlord). The only thing that could break him is for an additional Date officer to be included in ''SamuraiWarriors ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors 3'', and subsequently getting carried over to the third Orochi series. However, judging with how it looks, KOEI seems to have no intention for that and is satisfied for having him the villain.
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*** Or... the reverse. One thing you don't do to Capcom either is insult one of their poster boys, this being [[{{Onimusha}} Samanosuke/Akechi Hidemitsu]], who's given a scene where Nobunaga kills him in ''Kessen 3''. Which predates Basara 2.
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* [=WO3=] solves this, it may be on ambition, but perhaps they could secretly understand that Orochi was probably just a DesignatedVillain so they see him as a worthy ally when everyone else (like especially Kanetsugu) was too blinded with the usual moral of "Never serve evil, or you're not a good person!". In hindsight, they might be right, because in the end, Orochi's consciousness turned into Shuten Doji, and he's not malicious, his power becomes Hydra, and they're not happy about it, and eventually, turns out Orochi [[spoiler:used to be Ying Long, a decent mystic that got cursed.]]
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* This one seems to be more of ''Warriors Orochi'', but it only involves the Samurai Warriors characters, so I'll just ask this. Why in the bloody hell does Date Masamune act like a fanatical worshipper of Orochi that seems to have lost hope in all humanity? Is he turning into the counterpart of Dong Zhuo, the token guy of Main/ObviouslyEvil in Main/DynastyWarriors? Okay, I know he has his reasons behind, but when you act like a total fanatic about it, those reasonings seems to be eligible to be thrown into trash and consider him fallen REAL hard (unlike Keiji, who while being a devil-may-care BloodKnight, does understand and respects Orochi's motivation, being Main/BoisterousBruiser he is).
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* This one seems to be more of ''Warriors Orochi'', but it only involves the Samurai Warriors characters, so I'll just ask this. Why in the bloody hell does Date Masamune act like a fanatical worshipper of Orochi that seems to have lost hope in all humanity? Is he turning into the counterpart of Dong Zhuo, the token guy of Main/ObviouslyEvil in Main/DynastyWarriors? VideoGame/DynastyWarriors? Okay, I know he has his reasons behind, but when you act like a total fanatic about it, those reasonings seems to be eligible to be thrown into trash and consider him fallen REAL hard (unlike Keiji, who while being a devil-may-care BloodKnight, does understand and respects Orochi's motivation, being Main/BoisterousBruiser he is).
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** All this makes it seem that KOEI just simply hate Masamune and wants him to be the token '[[ObviouslyEvil Obviously]] EvilOverlord' of SamuraiWarriors just like [[DynastyWarriors Dong Zhuo]] (Fuuma wasn't a warlord). The only thing that could break him is for an additional Date officer to be included in ''SamuraiWarriors 3'', and subsequently getting carried over to the third Orochi series. However, judging with how it looks, KOEI seems to have no intention for that and is satisfied for having him the villain.
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** All this makes it seem that KOEI just simply hate Masamune and wants him to be the token '[[ObviouslyEvil Obviously]] EvilOverlord' of SamuraiWarriors VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors just like [[DynastyWarriors [[VideoGame/DynastyWarriors Dong Zhuo]] (Fuuma wasn't a warlord). The only thing that could break him is for an additional Date officer to be included in ''SamuraiWarriors 3'', and subsequently getting carried over to the third Orochi series. However, judging with how it looks, KOEI seems to have no intention for that and is satisfied for having him the villain.
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** It's doubtful that WO!Nu Wa follows the classical Chinese mythology interpretation, since in that source, she is '''the creator of mankind''', which should really make likes of Orochi the equivalent of a bug to her. But WO!Nu Wa is clearly, while still quite a badass Mystic, nowhere as powerful as her classical Chinese mythology self. Similar assumptions can be made for other Chinese deities.
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** Actually this CharacterDerailment was a TakeThat to Capcom and it's series SengokuBasara who's posterboy is Masamune after one of their games insulted Yukimura and one thing you don't do to Koei is insult one of their posterboy's.
*** May be wrong, Masamune-Yukimura rivalry in BASARA reaches HoYay level. The one thing that irked Koei is that Capcom made Kanetsugu (who appears first in Basara 2), into JokeCharacter per excellence who constantly boasts he's invincible. Kanetsugu was one of Koei's dear boys (aside of Yukimura and Mitsunari), thus they didn't take it well and took the two poster boys of Basara in the second game who's not Yukimura (Masamune and Keiji) into Orochi's underlings. Do note that WarriorsOrochi is released after SengokuBasara 2.
*** May be wrong, Masamune-Yukimura rivalry in BASARA reaches HoYay level. The one thing that irked Koei is that Capcom made Kanetsugu (who appears first in Basara 2), into JokeCharacter per excellence who constantly boasts he's invincible. Kanetsugu was one of Koei's dear boys (aside of Yukimura and Mitsunari), thus they didn't take it well and took the two poster boys of Basara in the second game who's not Yukimura (Masamune and Keiji) into Orochi's underlings. Do note that WarriorsOrochi is released after SengokuBasara 2.
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** Actually this CharacterDerailment was a TakeThat to Capcom and it's series SengokuBasara VideoGame/SengokuBasara who's posterboy is Masamune after one of their games insulted Yukimura and one thing you don't do to Koei is insult one of their posterboy's.
*** May be wrong, Masamune-Yukimura rivalry in BASARA reaches HoYay level. The one thing that irked Koei is that Capcom made Kanetsugu (who appears first in Basara 2), into JokeCharacter per excellence who constantly boasts he's invincible. Kanetsugu was one of Koei's dear boys (aside of Yukimura and Mitsunari), thus they didn't take it well and took the two poster boys of Basara in the second game who's not Yukimura (Masamune and Keiji) into Orochi's underlings. Do note that WarriorsOrochi is released afterSengokuBasara VideoGame/SengokuBasara 2.
*** May be wrong, Masamune-Yukimura rivalry in BASARA reaches HoYay level. The one thing that irked Koei is that Capcom made Kanetsugu (who appears first in Basara 2), into JokeCharacter per excellence who constantly boasts he's invincible. Kanetsugu was one of Koei's dear boys (aside of Yukimura and Mitsunari), thus they didn't take it well and took the two poster boys of Basara in the second game who's not Yukimura (Masamune and Keiji) into Orochi's underlings. Do note that WarriorsOrochi is released after
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** Wasn't there a dream stage in WO1's Shu storyline, where Magoichi managed to get Masamune defect? Not to mention, Masamune was one of the characters shown fighting against Orochi in WO2's intro scene...
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* This one is more mythology based, but here's a headscratcher: given how Nu Wa is directly responsible for Da Ji being evil (in the myths, Daji was a fox spirit who, while mischievous, was fundamentally decent at first, but when exposed to the vileness of humans, she was corrupted into a brute, which means everything that happened afterwards was directly Nuwa's fault for being so bent on revenge towards King Zhou she ignored the long-term consequences of what she was going to do), why isn't she called out on it by Taigong Wang (which she was in the original story, as he blatantly stated that Daji was only partially responsible for her actions)? The mystic wasn't overly sympathetic of the goddess in the myth, and only beat Daji down because it was the right thing to do...
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*** May be wrong, Masamune-Yukimura rivalry in BASARA reaches HoYay level. The one thing that irked Koei is that Capcom made Kanetsugu (who appears first in Basara 2), into JokeCharacter per excellence who constantly boasts he's invincible. Kanetsugu was one of Koei's dear boys (aside of Yukimura and Mitsunari), thus they didn't take it well and took the two poster boys of Basara in the second game who's not Yukimura (Masamune and Keiji) into Orochi's underlings. Do note that WarriorsOrochi is released after SengokuBasara 2.
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** Actually this CharacterDerailment was a TakeThat to Capcom and it's series SengokuBashura who's posterboy is Masamune after one of their games insulted Yukimura and one thing you don't do to Koei is insult one of their posterboy's.
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** Actually this CharacterDerailment was a TakeThat to Capcom and it's series SengokuBashura SengokuBasara who's posterboy is Masamune after one of their games insulted Yukimura and one thing you don't do to Koei is insult one of their posterboy's.
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*** There's a part in Shu's storyline that seems to follow that. After the battle where Ieyasu fails to convince Masamune, Taigong Wang says something on the line that he hasn't been able to get rid of "Orochi's poison". As far as I see it, he has gone so deep in darkness that only someone with a really strong bond would be able to return him to his normal self. That would mean Katakura Kojuro (my wish), his wife Megohime (more wishing for the impossible) and Magoichi (a bit of a stretch, but the only canon solution I can think of)
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** Actually, one thing Masamune says when he refuses to join you in Orochi 2 kind of hits me as [[FridgeBrilliance]]. He pretty much says that after they defeated Orochi the first time the new world collapsed into random factions battling each other just like how it was before Orochi showed up and believes Orochi is the only one who can put an end to the constant fighting. This means he's gone [[WellIntentionedExtremist]].
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** Actually, one thing Masamune says when he refuses to join you in Orochi 2 kind of hits me as [[FridgeBrilliance]].[[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliance]]. He pretty much says that after they defeated Orochi the first time the new world collapsed into random factions battling each other just like how it was before Orochi showed up and believes Orochi is the only one who can put an end to the constant fighting. This means he's gone [[WellIntentionedExtremist]].[[WellIntentionedExtremist Well Intentioned Extremist ]].
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** Actually, one thing Masamune says when he refuses to join you in Orochi 2 kind of hits me as [[FridgeBrilliance]]. He pretty much says that after they defeated Orochi the first time the new world collapsed into random factions battling each other just like how it was before Orochi showed up and believes Orochi is the only one who can put an end to the constant fighting. This means he's gone [[WellIntentionedExtremist]].
