History Headscratchers / VforVendetta

26th Mar '18 1:49:12 PM starman117
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** V says that he was pretty sure Gordon would have got away with just being arrested and was only executed when they found his private collection. So if Gordon had pulled this stunt at any other time he’d probably have gotten away with the “apology and boring fundraiser”


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** Sutler has been running a low key sort of dictatorship, people have been left to their own devices and their quiet little lives as long as they don’t speak out or make trouble. There doesn’t seem to have been too much effort in the personal images of any of the government figures, all the propaganda we see is about how it’s all “for your own protection”. Sutler says near the end that he wants everyone to “remember why the6 need us” and the public wasn’t used to it and it was all too full on and too much.”
20th Jan '18 5:04:18 AM ThatSpyChick
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** As history showed us ''numerous times'' it takes nothing but few months to become a nation-beloved leader under totalitarian systems. It's as easy as it gets. That was my biggest issue with both comics and film - that Norsfire is running the country for decades, yet people mentality is shown like they took the power yesterday. So if Britain is run like North Korea, why people have a pretty much liberal-democratic approach to life and politics after all those years? It's simply impossible, Milgram experiment and things like that proved long time ago on scientific basis that people can be molded into whatever you want with ''just'' giving them orders. Yet most of Westerners are so used to "democracy is natural" that they simply can't comprehend the idea of not rebelling against totalitarian governments. And it shows in V for Vendetta like nowhere else in pop culture.

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** As history showed us ''numerous times'' it takes nothing but few months to become a nation-beloved leader under totalitarian systems. It's as easy as it gets. That was my biggest issue with both comics and film - that Norsfire is running the country for decades, yet people the peoples' mentality is shown like they took the power yesterday. So if Britain is run like North Korea, why people have a pretty much liberal-democratic approach to life and politics after all those years? It's simply impossible, Milgram experiment and things like that proved long time ago on scientific basis that people can be molded into whatever you want with ''just'' giving them orders. Yet most of Westerners are so used to "democracy is natural" that they simply can't comprehend the idea of not rebelling against totalitarian governments. And it shows in V for Vendetta like nowhere else in pop culture.
20th Jan '18 5:01:39 AM ThatSpyChick
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** V is a very clever strategist and observer, he has been planning this for years and he has access to security footage all over the country. Is possible that he studied which of all government offices was the most lazy and which of all forms of communications was the least supervised, besides people doesn't use the traditional mail much using more phones, emails and the like so probably the government focus attention in that media and not in mail. It was, after all, a surprise for everyone to recieve the packages; expect the unespected, no one really expected that the "terrorist" was gonna use the least common method of mail.

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** V is a very clever strategist and observer, he has been planning this for years and he has access to security footage all over the country. Is possible that he studied which of all government offices was the most lazy and which of all forms of communications was the least supervised, besides people doesn't use the traditional mail much using more phones, emails and the like so probably the government focus attention in that media and not in mail. It was, after all, a surprise for everyone to recieve the packages; expect the unespected, unexpected, no one really expected that the "terrorist" was gonna use the least common method of mail.
17th Jan '18 2:54:41 PM fearlessnikki
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*** Some chat shows are actually taped a few weeks or days in advance, so that episode could have been filmed before Evey even came to his house. And when he's on the phone after the episode aired, he's not too worried about the backlash - because he thinks he'll just get a slap on the wrist and have to make some public apology. So he clearly thought he would be punished but not severely.




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** Perhaps a lot of the laughing is out of shock. Given how oppressive the state is, it's unlikely any of these people have even seen such risque humor on network TV. So it's a sort of in universe SeinfeldIsUnfunny; it's not that funny to us, because we're used to people taking the piss out of government leaders. But this is the first time a lot of them are seeing that kind of comedy - so a lot of the laughs could be of an "I can't believe they're doing this" sort.




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** What is it he says to Creedy? "What you have are bullets and the hope that when they run out, I will not be standing" - guns are a bit of a nuisance if you're using them long term, since they require reloading and constant stocks of ammunition. And if you run out of ammo, you're screwed. The knives on the other hand are easy to conceal, easy to replace and a good deal quieter if he wanted to take someone out by stealth.




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** Evey says she feels sorry for Mercedes and that she felt he cared more about revenge than her. It still works with the movie's ending, since he gets his revenge and gets the girl. Evie seems to be feeling sorry for Mercedes because she ended up with him, even though he appeared to care more about revenge than her.
16th Nov '17 1:25:30 PM TMB
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** Another possibility is Sutler's regime just sucked at the brainwashing aspect of doing business. They came to power through fear of terrorism and apparently succeeded in rooting out what they advertised as the culprits: Islam, homosexuals, counter-culture movements, etc. What did they do for an encore once the threat was gone? They just stuck to the fear, violence, and propaganda. Hitler came to power in a nation falling apart and united them through a rebuilding program that had an ever-present set of scapegoats (Jews, Communists, and neighboring democracies). They also included a vast indoctrination program. His presence in their daily lives was overwhelming and a generation grew up revering him. The Norsefire indoctrination scheme seemed to be limited to the propaganda tools. Sutler did not appear to have that messiah-like effect on the U.K. that Hitler did on Germany so the people more easily transitioned from needing him to just fearing him to brushing him aside.
5th Nov '17 5:31:19 PM Gaon
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*** This is supported during Valerie's letter, in which there's a newsreporter talking about the new proposal of the '''Under-Secretary of Defense''' (a prime position for doing something like Larkhill) Adam Sutler. The election involving the viral outbreak results in Adam Sutler becoming ''Prime Minister'', so there's a clear RankUp going on.
29th Aug '17 9:11:17 AM HalcyonDayz
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** IIRC, somwehere in the comic it said that the progression to true anarchy take 4 steps, V is step 1, Evey represents step 2. So they would end up needing 4 V figures in total. Or, maybe V just wanted an assistant (''Doctor Who'' style). And the kidnapping is a good way to book end the story and symbolize Evey's transition to V (English class answer).

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** IIRC, somwehere somewhere in the comic it said that the progression to true anarchy take 4 steps, V is step 1, Evey represents step 2. So they would end up needing 4 V figures in total. Or, maybe V just wanted an assistant (''Doctor Who'' style). And the kidnapping is a good way to book end the story and symbolize Evey's transition to V (English class answer).



** V doesn't want a LASTING anarchy, he wants anarchy in order to usher in a new government. His job was to tear down the existing system and he left it to Evey to help build a new one. Presumably somone other than Evey would need to lead it.

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** V doesn't want a LASTING anarchy, he wants anarchy in order to usher in a new government. His job was to tear down the existing system and he left it to Evey to help build a new one. Presumably somone someone other than Evey would need to lead it.



** It's tempting to think of Africa as a poor continent, despite its bountiful supply of 'in demand' raw resources, but if you take a hard look at some of the worst African nations you'll notice that they are awash with military hardware. Given the chaos of a war, it's not hard to believe African nations would source WMDs of all sorts from fallen ex-super powers.

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** It's tempting to think of Africa as a poor continent, despite its bountiful supply of 'in demand' raw resources, but if you take a hard look at some of the worst African nations you'll notice that they are awash with military hardware. Given the chaos of a war, it's not hard to believe African nations would source WMDs [=WMDs=] of all sorts from fallen ex-super powers.
6th Aug '17 12:16:39 PM tacit-ronin-
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* After Evey watches the 1934 version of the Count of Monte Cristo with V, she says that she didn't like how Edmond wanted revenge more than Mercedes. Its been a long time since I watched the 1934 version but I'm pretty sure Edmond still ends up with Mercedes at the end of the story and it was in the book that Edmond and Mercedes are still separated after he got his revenge. So wouldn't it make more sense for Evey to say that if her and V just finished reading the book instead.

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23rd Apr '17 9:24:59 AM SkidTroper
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** It's not just that he considers himself monstrous. V is an Ubermensch, and he wants a new world to rise from Norsefire's shadow, but he also DOESN'T want this new world to be based, defined or dependant on ''him''. Likely because he doesn't want to repeat Jesus' mistake, trying to guide people and then having people run away with his beliefs and corrupt them to try and lord over others, or be made into a leader and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters then become as corrupt and despotic as Sutler]]. Like he tells Evy, the new world needs to be shaped by new people, and the choices must be their own, without any influence. [[FridgeBrilliance Which fits the True Anarchy concept, of society rulling itself without the need of leaders or religions to control what they view as right or wrong]]. Movie!V is still an anarchist, only a more subtle one than Comic!V.

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** It's not just that he considers himself monstrous. V is an Ubermensch, and he wants a new world to rise from Norsefire's shadow, but he also DOESN'T want this new world to be based, defined or dependant on ''him''. Likely because he doesn't want to repeat Jesus' mistake, trying to guide people and then having people run away with his beliefs and corrupt them to try and lord over others, or be made into a leader and [[HeWhoFightsMonsters then become as corrupt and despotic as Sutler]]. Like he tells Evy, the new world needs to be shaped by new people, and the choices must be their own, without any influence. [[FridgeBrilliance Which fits the True Anarchy concept, of society rulling ruling itself without the need of leaders or religions to control what they view as right or wrong]]. Movie!V is still an anarchist, only a more subtle one than Comic!V.




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** He was serving as a symbol to rally around so he could spearhead these ideas. His death in the movie is an altered version from the comics (on a side, people perverting Jesus' teachings is not Jesus' mistake, the onus lies on the people who do so and a lack of understanding about Jesus whatever your views on Him. Such a claim is FlameBait, either use RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement or avoid the topic altogether).
10th Mar '17 2:55:07 AM Iku
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*** They micromanage those below them. But they absolutely enforce orders from the top without question and micromanage to enable those orders without question.
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