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** Either she's 'coughing so hard she pukes up a little'...which has happened to me, or it's a mistranslation, and is a minor illness that she gets over with quickly, but has vomiting as a symptom. Think "She has a 24 hour flu".
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**** Beatrice says it in Red, either in this or a supplementary thing. I can't use red text, and it's a paraphrase, but..."GOLD SHALL BE A SUFFICENT MOTIVE TO BE THE CULPRIT!" Edit to verify the quote would be quite helpful.
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*** They actually are not. Ryu met him once at a convention but they don't know each other personally.


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** The song/meme "Pettan Pettan Tsurupettan" was at it's peak around the year of release, I assume it's a reference to that.
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* If we're to take Battler's direct testimony as more or less truth in the first arc; then Maria knows how to write pentagrams, crappy Hebrew, the ArsGoetia; the 4 Archangels, etc. and keeps Scorpion Amulets. This level of knowledge requires intense study, especially for a nine-year old. Even if this stuff is mumbo-jumbo...who on earth taught this to her? It likely wasn't her mother; she can't stand that Maria is fascinated by the stuff.

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* If we're to take Battler's direct testimony as more or less truth in the first arc; then Maria knows how to write pentagrams, crappy Hebrew, the ArsGoetia; Literature/ArsGoetia; the 4 Archangels, etc. and keeps Scorpion Amulets. This level of knowledge requires intense study, especially for a nine-year old. Even if this stuff is mumbo-jumbo...who on earth taught this to her? It likely wasn't her mother; she can't stand that Maria is fascinated by the stuff.
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* How do the Stakes memories work? When Ange summons them the first time in 1998, they act as though they aren't involved in Beatrice's game anymore. But then, when Ange summons them on the boat, they refer to Beatrice's game and how Ange is participating.
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* What is up with the timeline in the fourth arc? First, Ange denies that the Stakes and Sakutaro exist, then in the next scene, Maria and Sakutaro talk about the scene with Ange, and then after that, Ange and Mammon talk about that scene as well in 1998. However, the issue is, both Ange and Maria act as though Maria herself is alive, which is impossible, because the events happen after Maria's death, based on the fact that Ange is clearly not six years old or younger, and the fact that she's going to the school she is, which she doesn't do until after the incident. So what gives?
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*** However, it's said that Kinzo didn't like Maria very much, so that wouldn't make sense.
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** It's also not just sex reassignment surgery. She could never bear children. She could never sire children. She has severe nerve damage in her genitilia. All the money in the world could just mask that...at least, to her.

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*** Also the fact that gender reassignment surgery wasn't nearly as good in the 80's as it is now.
** It's also not just sex reassignment surgery. She could never bear children. She could never sire children. She has severe nerve damage in her genitilia. All the money in the world could just mask that...at least, to her.
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*** Ronove didn't stop Beato because she was about to say something false in red; he stopped her because if she said the red she was planning to say (that Kanon didn't die in an accident) it would basically be giving the whole game away (since it would make it clear that there's some way for people to "die" without being murdered, committing suicide, or having an accident, which are really the only "normal" ways for a person to die). Beato's ultimate goal isn't just for Battler to solve the mystery, but for him to solve it in a way that he truly understands her, so she's constantly playing a balancing act between not making things too easy or too hard to solve. So Battler just realizing that [[spoiler: Shannon and Kanon are acted by the same person]] isn't her full goal; she wants him to understand why this is the case and what her motive was for planning the crime.
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*** Yes. Exactly. Battler really doesn't give a damn about what happens in the Meta World as long as he can prove that the Game Board murders didn't involve magic. Then it gets even more fun when he starts using blue text, which with schrodingers box, rewrites reality as long as it's not denied in red.

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*** Yes. Exactly. Battler really doesn't give a damn about what happens in the Meta World as long as he can prove that the Game Board murders didn't involve magic. Then it gets even more fun when he starts using blue text, which with schrodingers Schrödinger's box, rewrites reality as long as it's not denied in red.



** No. Battler only has to prove it's possible for a human culprit to carry out the crime. In this case, there would be two simultaneous truths, 'small bombs were made by some unknown method X' and 'small bombs were made by magic' which would exist at the same time due to the fact that until one of them is proven, both are true like a Schrodinger's Cat experiment.

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** No. Battler only has to prove it's possible for a human culprit to carry out the crime. In this case, there would be two simultaneous truths, 'small bombs were made by some unknown method X' and 'small bombs were made by magic' which would exist at the same time due to the fact that until one of them is proven, both are true like a Schrodinger's Schrödinger's Cat experiment.
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* A lot of theories are discussed in the WMG using the Knox Decalogue, I discovered TvTropes not so long ago so I wanted to know, how did you guys managed to discuss theories before episode 5 and the introduction of Knox Decalogue in Umineko? I know that Know decalogue is a real life thing btw.Wasn't the WMG really messy back then?

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* A lot of theories are discussed in the WMG using the Knox Decalogue, I discovered TvTropes Wiki/TVTropes not so long ago so I wanted to know, how did you guys managed to discuss theories before episode 5 and the introduction of Knox Decalogue in Umineko? I know that Know decalogue is a real life thing btw.Wasn't the WMG really messy back then?
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** Likely? Just idle ponderings of Battler's. The kind of stuff he writes down, then tosses away in the trashcan.
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** It's also not just sex reassignment surgery. She could never bear children. She could never sire children. She has severe nerve damage in her genitilia. All the money in the world could just mask that...at least, to her.
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** [[spoiler: All the gold in the golden land means just what it says. More gold then could ever be used. The latter four? Shall only happen if the one who is meant for the treasure finds it...Yasu...alias Beatrice. They are Kinzo's hopes that Beatrice Urashima shall be resurrected within her, his lost love who he wished to see once more. That's 2 and 3. As for 4? Well, if she is Beatrice Urashima...she is a mortal, not a mere rumor of a witch. These hopes...did not come true, but would have if the one to gain the Epitaph...was Battler, the one whom Yasu wished to find.]]
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** Since they aren't stated to be what where found in the message bottles, I'd say that [=EP7=] and [=EP8=] are meant more to provide closure and hints to the previous arcs than anything else.
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** When Maria brings her toys outside, she also talks to them as if they were real people, which not only makes people think of Maria as an oddball but also makes Rosa believe it will reflect badly on her as a parent. In the visual novel it's also mentioned that Maria takes her toys to school with her and talks to them during class, which of course the teachers would have issue with. Maria being left at home alone probably has something to do with ValuesDissonance: in Japan parents aren't so paranoid about their children being by themselves, even though it's still acknowledged that Rosa shouldn't be ditching Maria as much as she is. As for the child services thing, Rosa has told Maria never to call them or get their attention since she doesn't want them finding out how bad a parent she is.

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** When Maria brings her toys outside, she also talks to them as if they were real people, which not only makes people think of Maria as an oddball but also makes Rosa believe it will reflect badly on her as a parent. In the visual novel it's also mentioned that Maria takes her toys to school with her and talks to them during class, which of course the teachers would have issue with. Maria being left at home alone probably has something to do with ValuesDissonance: in Japan parents aren't so paranoid about their children being by themselves, even though it's still acknowledged that Rosa shouldn't be ditching Maria as much as she is. It's also very rare for someone who isn't a grandparent to look after your kids for a while; the idea of a babysitter who isn't a relative is a pretty uncommon one in Japan. As for the child services thing, Rosa has told Maria never to call them or get their attention since she doesn't want them finding out how bad a parent she is.
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** I always thought that Beatrice was Virgilia's title. However, I was under the impression that Virgilia is not her actual name but also [[MeaningfulName a title of sorts:]] [[DivineComedy someone to guide our hero through hell and purgatory and to Beatrice in the end-which is why I can accept BAAYYATREEECHAAAYY instead of the pronunciation of Beatrice most non-Italians would be familiar with.]] The further the series goes, the more obvious it gets with it's references to The DivineComedy, so it's not unreasonable to think this is the case. But I guess this belongs more on WMG...

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** I always thought that Beatrice was Virgilia's title. However, I was under the impression that Virgilia is not her actual name but also [[MeaningfulName a title of sorts:]] [[DivineComedy [[Literature/TheDivineComedy someone to guide our hero through hell and purgatory and to Beatrice in the end-which is why I can accept BAAYYATREEECHAAAYY instead of the pronunciation of Beatrice most non-Italians would be familiar with.]] The further the series goes, the more obvious it gets with it's references to The DivineComedy, ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'', so it's not unreasonable to think this is the case. But I guess this belongs more on WMG...
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* Why do people consider kakera-theory and author-theory mutually exclusive? The existence of [[DCComics Earth Prime]] doesn't make any of the other DC universes less real.

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* Why do people consider kakera-theory and author-theory mutually exclusive? The existence of [[DCComics [[Creator/DCComics Earth Prime]] doesn't make any of the other DC universes less real.
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** The answer is simply chalked up to a crippling lack of self-confidence on Yasu's part. Yasu wanted Battler to contact him/her on his own; if he really loved him/her, he'd do it.
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* I haven't been completely on top of the games' secrets, but I do know this much: [=EP1=] and [=EP2=] are murder scenarios written by Sayo/Yasu, and [=EP3=] through [=EP6=] are forgeries written by Battler. So what does that make [=EP7=] and [=EP8=]?
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* In the visual novel, the voice of the Man from 19 Years Ago is described as being like a boy's voice that hasn't broken yet...so in the PS3 version, why did they have him being voiced by Creator/DaisukeOno, who clearly makes him sound like an adult man?

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* In the visual novel, the voice of the Man from 19 Years Ago is described as being like a boy's voice that hasn't broken yet...so in the PS3 [=PS3=] version, why did they have him being voiced by Creator/DaisukeOno, who clearly makes him sound like an adult man?
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** The story takes place in the eighties and in Japan, which has very conservative ideas about gender (and probably would have been even more conservative about them during the eighties). Even if Sayo considered that as an option, it would probably have been incredibly difficult to actually get themself some surgery.

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** The story takes place in the eighties and in Japan, which has very conservative ideas about gender (and probably would have been even more conservative about them during the eighties). Considering how and when Sayo was raised, I doubt that they even knew reassignment surgery was an option for them. Even if Sayo considered that as an option, it would probably have been incredibly difficult to actually get themself some surgery.
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** The story takes place in the eighties and in Japan, which has very conservative ideas about gender (and probably would have been even more conservative about them during the eighties). Even if Sayo considered that as an option, it would probably have been incredibly difficult to actually get themself some surgery.
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* Why didn't Yasu use the gold to pay for sex reassignment surgery? If (s)he doesn't know whether (s)he's male or female and has a body that "can't love," you'd think that would take care of everything. Sure, Yasu wouldn't be able to produce children, but that's what adoption's for.

* If Yasu thought of Kumasawa like a mother, why didn't she go to her for help getting Battler's contact information? Surely Kumasawa would be able to subtly go about it in a way that didn't implicate Yasu was the one wanting it, or that it was because any of the servants had a crush on him. Heck, why couldn't Yasu just claim Battler left something of his on Rokkenjima, and (s)he needed his mailing address to send it back to him?
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** They don't "exist", exactly; that particular fragment in [=EP7=] is meant to be a TemporalParadox showing how different Lion's presence makes the situation in the Ushiromiya family, so despite Lion existing there are factors that contradict his/her existence. Lion doesn't know Shannon or Kanon's names, and Shannon says that she has no idea who Lion is.
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* If Shannon and Beatrice were imaginary friends Yasu created to deal with the abuse from their fellow servants (and Kanon later to deal with Shannon's loneliness), why do Shannon and Kanon still exist in Lion's universe if Beatrice doesn't?
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** As the Troper above pointed out, Kinzo was an avid fan of the occult, and had huge collections of books on the topic in his study. after [[spoiler: Sayo Yasuda became the new head of the family]] he was in a prime position to give Maria access to Kinzo's vast library.

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** **** As the Troper above pointed out, Kinzo was an avid fan of the occult, and had huge collections of books on the topic in his study. after [[spoiler: Sayo Yasuda became the new head of the family]] he was in a prime position to give Maria access to Kinzo's vast library.
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** As the Troper above pointed out, Kinzo was an avid fan of the occult, and had huge collections of books on the topic in his study. after [[spoiler: Sayo Yasuda became the new head of the family]] he was in a prime position to give Maria access to Kinzo's vast library.
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*** Actually, [[spoiler:you don't even know if the Ange and her world are real. As far as we know, it could be a "what if" just like the endings. Bernkastel said that there are a lot of fragments and Ange's is just one, so it's not like that world is true because it is shown to us.]] On top of that, Ange has delusions, imaginary friends and other issues that make her a not completaly reliable narrator. So we can't say that, because of her experiences, the Meta World is true.
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\n*** Yes, it is unfair to the fantasy side. In fact, [[spoiler:it is said in the ???? of the fourth game that Beato can't win even in the infinite (she has 0% chance of winning) and not even a miracle (Bernkastel explains the miracles as things separated from probabilities) is going to aid her]].

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