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** And now, they've killed off [spoiler: Spider-Man.] When will it end?

* Ultimatum. Just, Ultimatum. They kill off all these important (and popular) characters quickly, no warning, and for no reason other than shock value. That is just LAZY writing! If you want to kill off a character, do it for a good REASON. Do it to help further the story along. But don't do it to just "shock" the reader. Who at Marvel really thought that just killing characters off like that was a good idea? Seriously.

* After all my favorite characters die in Ultimatum, the three remaining X-men I like disappear off the face of the earth. What happened to Rouge? Or Iceman? Them still being teenagers and known mutants would have been interesting. And then theres Colossus the one I would have loved to see develop more but was reduced to brute rolls in later arcs should have at least gotten a mention in a series that is focusing on Wolverine's son, And with [[Spoiler:Nightcrawler and Jean-Paul both dying in Ultimatum]] I would have very much enjoyed seeing him cope and grow as a character and see how he will work without Banshee but they decide to make Kate or should I say [[spoiler:Jean]] the new leader to the new team of mutants. I would at least like to see Kitty back on a team... How could they not want to fix up the loose ends about all these charcters before they go and rebuild expies of the old team?

* After all my favorite characters die in Ultimatum, the three remaining X-men I like disappear off the face of the earth. What happened to Rouge? Or Iceman? Them still being teenagers and known mutants would have been interesting. And then theres Colossus the one I would have loved to see develop more but was reduced to brute rolls in later arcs should have at least gotten a mention in a series that is focusing on Wolverine's son, And with [[Spoiler:Nightcrawler and Jean-Paul both dying in Ultimatum]] I would have very much enjoyed seeing him cope and grow as a character and see how he will work without Banshee but they decide to make Kate or should I say [[spoiler:Jean]] the new leader to the new team of mutants. I would at least like to see Kitty back on a team...

* At this point, is anyone in S.H.I.E.L.D. left ALIVE? Talk about a redshirt army. They die more easily then a vampire in a pencil factory explosion. And god only knows what the deal is with Nick Fury at the moment.

*** End of the world, my ass, since Magneto fixing the Earth's magnetic polarity with a ''blink'' apparently made everything instantly better weather-earthquake-tidal-wise within moments, and the recovery efforts are going better than they would have in any real disaster. Plain and simple, there was no reason for the ((Gorn)) other than bad attempts at shock value.

** Actually the fact that the movie was so wildly successful pretty much proves that there was no need to change the origin. People liked the 616/movie origin just fine. The only "update" needed was to move it from Vietnam to the Middle East. Shazam, origin story successfully updated. Orson Scott Card basically changed Tony Stark's entire character. It would be like changing Spider-Man's origin to him being the biological child of Ben and May Parker but Ben Parker was really a super-intelligent spider-alien named Arachnion who was part of a group of spider-alien scientists trying to create a half-human/half-spider-alien hybrid and May was the unwilling test subject that they abducted and impregnated on their spaceship but Ben/Arachnion fell in love with May and realized the experiment was evil so they ran away together and when Peter was born they raised him like a normal boy until he hit puberty and his spider-alien DNA started emerging in the form of superpowers at which point the rest of the spider-aliens finally track down and kill Ben/Arachnion while Peter is at school but May hides in the cellar and when Peter gets home May tearfully confesses the whole thing to him and he spends a long time angsting about it before using his alien-spider-powers to hunt down and kill the spider-alien who murdered Ben/Arachnion but he saves the spider-alien's spaceship and uses it to create a suit of powered spider-armor and an arsenal of spider-gadgets that he uses to wage a never-ending battle against Manhattan crime and the alien spider-people just in case they ever come back to capture him. Does that sound like a necessary "update" to a superhero origin story? I think not.

*** '''It contains more references to pop culture and politics.''' As of now, 616 titles have just as many references to pop culture and the like as UM does. Hell, look at Runaways. This troper first thought that Runaways was in the Ultimate Universe because of the dialogue, not to mention how the events of Secret War, Civil War, and such were portrayed as having such a (for lack of a better word) realistic effect on society. So just how in blue blazes is Ultimate Marvel more "realistic" than 616?

* Beast. "Oh my god, a bunch of stones fell on him, now he's dead." Much later. "He was only slightly squashed. Everyone be happy now."

* What they did to Hank Pym, Jeezus Chroist.

** '''It doesn't mention/feature supernatural stuff like demons and sorcerers.''' I guess you could argue that as being intentional misdirection on Marvel's part what with the hints to Thor being a real god and such, but regardless it's more open about magic and other dimensions now than it was when it began.

** '''It doesn't mention/feature supernatural stuff like demons and sorcerers.'''-I guess you could argue that as being intentional misdirection on Marvel's part what with the hints to Thor being a real god and such, but regardless it's more open about magic and other dimensions now than it was when it began just like 616.

*** '''It contains more references to pop culture and politics and such.'''- As of now, 616 titles have just as many references to pop culture and the like as UM does. Hell, look at Runaways. This troper first thought that Runaways was in the Ultimate Universe because of the dialogue, not to mention how the events of Secret War, Civil War, and such were portrayed as having such a (for lack of a better word) realistic effect on society. So just how in blue blazes is Ultimate Marvel more "realistic" than 616?

** This has been bothering me for the longest. How is it that Ultimate Marvel is considered more "realistic" than the mainstream series? People usually seem to say it is because of two things:

1)<b>It doesn't mention/feature supernatural stuff like demons and sorcerers.</b>-I guess you could argue that as being intentional misdirection on Marvel's part what with the hints to Thor being a real god and such, but regardless it's more open about magic and other dimensions now than it was when it began just like 616.

2)<b>It contains more references to pop culture and politics and such.</b>- As of now, 616 titles have just as many references to pop culture and the like as UM does. Hell, look at Runaways. This troper first thought that Runaways was in the Ultimate Universe because of the dialogue, not to mention how the events of Secret War, Civil War, and such were portrayed as having such a (for lack of a better word) realistic effect on society. So just how in blue blazes is Ultimate Marvel more "realistic" than 616?

* At one point in the ULTIMATES, Captain America is suspected of murdering innocent civilians. Fine. So to arrest him, S.H.I.E.L.D. blows up half a WW2 cemetary. Not only that, they surprise and kidnap a WW2 veteran! Guess heart attacks just don't happen in the Ultimate Universe.