History Headscratchers / TsubasaReservoirChronicle

6th Jun '16 4:03:21 PM hidrag
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** Because they're not Tsubasa. He is the one who made is life a paradox but choosing to reverse time in the first place (even if he would exist had he made another choice) so he is the only one who had to be erased. Plus Shaolan only existed because the timeline was messed up because he doesn't have parents, while Clow was the result of the Stable Time Loop. C!Sakura let the feather in Tokyo which because the Clow of R!Sakura which change because of R!Shaolan choice. Tokyo didn't change when Shaolan when back in time so that past isn't the resultat of a paradox.
9th Apr '16 3:49:27 PM PurrElise
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* One big problem I have. Was the RSyaoran always the son of his clone (...)? How does time travel work? In the Ashura/Yasha storyline, Syaoran and friends went back to the past and changed history. However, the last arc treats the whole thing as if "you already changed the past" which completely contradicts it.

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* One big problem I have. Was the RSyaoran R!Syaoran always the son of his clone (...)? How does time travel work? In the Ashura/Yasha storyline, Syaoran and friends went back to the past and changed history. However, the last arc treats the whole thing as if "you already changed the past" which completely contradicts it.
22nd Mar '16 12:56:25 AM kuld
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* At the end of the series, is Fay still a vampire, but just a "dormant" one who doesn't need blood to survive, or has he totally reverted back to being a human? I might think that it's the former since (1) Yuuko said if he gets his magic back then he "won't need blood anymore", not that he won't become a vampire anymore, and (2) considering the excruciating pain his body went through when he transformed from human to vampire, I assume the same painful process would occur if he turns into a human again. If it's the latter, does that mean Kurogane's lifespan has also decreased? (He got an "extended" life because he became Fay's prey when Fay was a vampire.)
18th Mar '16 4:20:06 PM nombretomado
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*** Let's see if I can do this: [[spoiler:Fei Wong Reed wants to bring someone BackFromTheDead, so this is probably a case of LoveMakesYouEvil. Of course, resurrection is a big no-no in the CLAMP multiverse, so he needs Sakura's power (and possibly [[OurSoulsAreDifferent souls]] from the Manga/CardcaptorSakura and {{xxxHolic}} universe) to do it. He created [[CloningBlues clone!Sakura and clone!Syaoran]] to gather Sakura's feathers after he caused them to be scattered in various worlds in order to power the ritual/device/whatever that will bring back the aforementioned dead person while he held the real ones prisoner. Yuuko is trying to stop him for some reason, [[TheEndoftheWorldAsWeKnowIt which probably means doing what he's trying to do will hurt the multiverse somehow]] or [[DrunkWithPower he's an evil bastard who will abuse the power]]. The Tsubasa gang wants to stop him in order to (a) [[DamselinDistress rescue the real Princess Sakura]], (b) [[YouKilledMyFather get revenge for murdering Kurogane's mother]], and (c) because he's really evil. And something about Syaoran making a selfish wish and causing this whole mess. And a whole lot of other confusing stuff.]] I probably missed some stuff so someone might want to expand or add stuff.

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*** Let's see if I can do this: [[spoiler:Fei Wong Reed wants to bring someone BackFromTheDead, so this is probably a case of LoveMakesYouEvil. Of course, resurrection is a big no-no in the CLAMP multiverse, so he needs Sakura's power (and possibly [[OurSoulsAreDifferent souls]] from the Manga/CardcaptorSakura and {{xxxHolic}} Manga/XxxHolic universe) to do it. He created [[CloningBlues clone!Sakura and clone!Syaoran]] to gather Sakura's feathers after he caused them to be scattered in various worlds in order to power the ritual/device/whatever that will bring back the aforementioned dead person while he held the real ones prisoner. Yuuko is trying to stop him for some reason, [[TheEndoftheWorldAsWeKnowIt which probably means doing what he's trying to do will hurt the multiverse somehow]] or [[DrunkWithPower he's an evil bastard who will abuse the power]]. The Tsubasa gang wants to stop him in order to (a) [[DamselinDistress rescue the real Princess Sakura]], (b) [[YouKilledMyFather get revenge for murdering Kurogane's mother]], and (c) because he's really evil. And something about Syaoran making a selfish wish and causing this whole mess. And a whole lot of other confusing stuff.]] I probably missed some stuff so someone might want to expand or add stuff.



** Actually, if you read {{XXXHolic}} then you find out that [[spoiler:Yuuko has been dead the entire time. She was only living on borrowed time.]]

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** Actually, if you read {{XXXHolic}} ''Manga/XxxHolic'' then you find out that [[spoiler:Yuuko has been dead the entire time. She was only living on borrowed time.]]



*** They are '''not''' the CCS Syaoran and Sakura. CCS Syaoran and Sakura are Syaorans and Sakuras of a different world, and Clow Reed, after doing all the necessary things for Tsubasa and XXXHolic left his magic for CCS!Sakura to inherit. Whereas the reincarnated clones grew up fully aware of their past lives. That is obviously not how CCS Syaoran and Sakura were.

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*** They are '''not''' the CCS Syaoran and Sakura. CCS Syaoran and Sakura are Syaorans and Sakuras of a different world, and Clow Reed, after doing all the necessary things for Tsubasa and XXXHolic Manga/XxxHolic left his magic for CCS!Sakura to inherit. Whereas the reincarnated clones grew up fully aware of their past lives. That is obviously not how CCS Syaoran and Sakura were.



** It was always darker and edgier; we just didn't know it. The darkness creeped in slowly, inexorably. The very beginning in Clow country set up for the link to Acid Tokyo and Fei Wong's insidious machinations to, er, save Yuko's life; Yuko's relevance to the story was hinted at by her regular appearances; the darkness began showing up with the Rekort arc and that thing in the jungle with the bunny-people, and hints as to the true nature of Cloney began VERY early on with the shots of Syaoran Jr in his stasis tube. On the xxxHoLic side, we had a shot of Mom!Sakura and Syaoran Sr.'s tube early on as well (and Watanuki's existence issues were hinted at LONG before things turned really dark). It was never sudden, simply lurking just beneath the surface.

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** It was always darker and edgier; we just didn't know it. The darkness creeped in slowly, inexorably. The very beginning in Clow country set up for the link to Acid Tokyo and Fei Wong's insidious machinations to, er, save Yuko's life; Yuko's relevance to the story was hinted at by her regular appearances; the darkness began showing up with the Rekort arc and that thing in the jungle with the bunny-people, and hints as to the true nature of Cloney began VERY early on with the shots of Syaoran Jr in his stasis tube. On the xxxHoLic [=xxxHoLic=] side, we had a shot of Mom!Sakura and Syaoran Sr.'s tube early on as well (and Watanuki's existence issues were hinted at LONG before things turned really dark). It was never sudden, simply lurking just beneath the surface.



* xxxHoLic question, because that one lacks a just bugs me page and its easier this way. Who, exactly, did Yuko and Watanuki make their contracts to work the shop in exchange for a wish with, if in both cases the shop was unmanned at the time they made the deal, and they were the one to man it afterwards? Did they make a Faustian bargain with themselves from a week in the future?

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* xxxHoLic Manga/XxxHolic question, because that one lacks a just bugs me page and its easier this way. Who, exactly, did Yuko and Watanuki make their contracts to work the shop in exchange for a wish with, if in both cases the shop was unmanned at the time they made the deal, and they were the one to man it afterwards? Did they make a Faustian bargain with themselves from a week in the future?
14th Feb '15 1:59:20 AM StFan
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** Similarly, other man-made characters like [[{{Chobits}} Chi, Freya, Minoru's maids,]] [[AngelicLayer Blanche, Hikaru,]] [[{{Manga/Clover}} and the robot rabbit]] all manage to be reborn in multiple worlds. According to the ''{{Chobits}}'' manga, persocoms do have souls, but the same doesn't go for [[AngelicLayer Angels]] or ''{{Manga/Clover}}'''s robots. So how did ''they'' manage it?

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** Similarly, other man-made characters like [[{{Chobits}} [[Manga/{{Chobits}} Chi, Freya, Minoru's maids,]] [[AngelicLayer Blanche, Hikaru,]] [[{{Manga/Clover}} and the robot rabbit]] all manage to be reborn in multiple worlds. According to the ''{{Chobits}}'' ''Manga/{{Chobits}}'' manga, persocoms do have souls, but the same doesn't go for [[AngelicLayer Angels]] or ''{{Manga/Clover}}'''s robots. So how did ''they'' manage it?
10th May '14 4:33:04 AM Somariel
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* What bugs me is people spelling Touya's name as Toya. CLAMP specifically have it as Touya, because the spelling of 'Toya' is specifically meant for Yukito only. He's MEANT to say Touya's name slightly differently and can't help it even if he tries. Official translators changing it then confuses the part of the fandom that don't have that knowledge. Some translations companies just do not do their research. Like Del Ray with Tsubasa...

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* What bugs me is people spelling Touya's name as Toya. CLAMP specifically have it as Touya, because the spelling of 'Toya' is specifically meant for Yukito only. He's MEANT to say Touya's name slightly differently and can't help it even if he tries. Official translators changing it then confuses the part of the fandom that don't have that knowledge. Some translations companies just do not do their research. Like Del Ray Rey with Tsubasa...Tsubasa...
** From the translation notes of Volume 21:
--->Throughout the translation of Tsubasa, we've been using a circumflex above any "long" vowel in Japanese such as ''ô''. It is intended to indicate that a vowel sound is held a beat longer than a normally pronounced vowel. In the case of ''ô'', whereas a normal ''o'' would be pronounced "oh", the "long" vowel sound is held a moment longer as in, "ooh..." In Japanese, this is spelled with the ''hiragana'' that is pronounced "o" and is followed by another ''hiragana'' character normally pronounced "u" (but in this case, both are pronounced with and "oh" sound).
8th Nov '13 1:37:12 PM Sainta
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*One big problem I have. Was the RSyaoran always the son of his clone (...)? How does time travel work? In the Ashura/Yasha storyline, Syaoran and friends went back to the past and changed history. However, the last arc treats the whole thing as if "you already changed the past" which completely contradicts it.
5th Feb '13 4:26:40 AM MichaelKatsuro
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**** [[MeaningfulName Pseudonym]]. Kimihiro = prophet. Watanuki = Written as April 1st, which is Sakura's birthday among other things. Watanuki means padded clothes, and refers to removing the padding from clothes on April 1st and making a substitute to protect the owner (generally a child) from evil.

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**** *** [[MeaningfulName Pseudonym]]. Kimihiro = prophet. Watanuki = Written as April 1st, which is Sakura's birthday among other things. Watanuki means padded clothes, and refers to removing the padding from clothes on April 1st and making a substitute to protect the owner (generally a child) from evil.



**** Wait, I thought [[spoiler: he only made the Clone!Sakura when they went into the ruins in, what, the first volume?]]
**** I think he needed the [[spoiler: clones because having pawns that knew what was actually going on would get in the way. Having clones with no memory of him probably suits his purpose much better than sending out someone who probably quite wants to kill him]]. Also, if I am not mistaken, the [[spoiler: Feather-memories really are unnecessary, except as his own personal PlotDevice to ''get'' them traveling.]]
**** This just in, [[spoiler: he wanted them to travel for a specific reason also- to get them to go to Acid Tokyo, which is the past of the Country of Clow]].
**** My impression was that the whole business in Syaoran's flashback was all designed to get Syaoran to wish [[spoiler: to turn back time, thus creating all manner of potential disturbances in the timeline and destabilizing the multiverse, which appears to be necessary to his ridiculously complicated plan for gaining the ability to bring back the dead]].

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**** *** Wait, I thought [[spoiler: he only made the Clone!Sakura when they went into the ruins in, what, the first volume?]]
**** *** I think he needed the [[spoiler: clones because having pawns that knew what was actually going on would get in the way. Having clones with no memory of him probably suits his purpose much better than sending out someone who probably quite wants to kill him]]. Also, if I am not mistaken, the [[spoiler: Feather-memories really are unnecessary, except as his own personal PlotDevice to ''get'' them traveling.]]
**** *** This just in, [[spoiler: he wanted them to travel for a specific reason also- to get them to go to Acid Tokyo, which is the past of the Country of Clow]].
**** *** My impression was that the whole business in Syaoran's flashback was all designed to get Syaoran to wish [[spoiler: to turn back time, thus creating all manner of potential disturbances in the timeline and destabilizing the multiverse, which appears to be necessary to his ridiculously complicated plan for gaining the ability to bring back the dead]].



**** Well, I could be wrong, but [[spoiler: they're in an alternate Clow ''anyway''. At the beginning of the manga, we have Fujitaka as AdventurerArchaeologist and Clow Reed as King of Clow (deceased). But that's been revealed to be some sort of world that Asschin created for the clones (maybe?), because Fujitaka and Nadeshiko are the actual monarchs of Clow (or were, rather). So yes, something screwy is going on.]] Apparently, we have no choice but to wait for Clamp to reveal things in their own sweet time. Dammit.

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**** *** Well, I could be wrong, but [[spoiler: they're in an alternate Clow ''anyway''. At the beginning of the manga, we have Fujitaka as AdventurerArchaeologist and Clow Reed as King of Clow (deceased). But that's been revealed to be some sort of world that Asschin created for the clones (maybe?), because Fujitaka and Nadeshiko are the actual monarchs of Clow (or were, rather). So yes, something screwy is going on.]] Apparently, we have no choice but to wait for Clamp to reveal things in their own sweet time. Dammit.



**** Looking at the Japanese [=RAWs=], the exact phrasing is [[spoiler: 'namae no hibiki'. 'Hibiki' is 'echo', so it's more like it's saying the names are echoes of each other, which still doesn't make much sense, but slightly more than 'similar'.]]

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**** *** Looking at the Japanese [=RAWs=], the exact phrasing is [[spoiler: 'namae no hibiki'. 'Hibiki' is 'echo', so it's more like it's saying the names are echoes of each other, which still doesn't make much sense, but slightly more than 'similar'.]]
13th Dec '12 6:18:08 AM tvtropesfan
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13th Dec '12 6:16:49 AM tvtropesfan
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* Speaking of that last chapter -- Just one major issue. Ok, so R!Syaoran's existence depended on the StableTimeLoop which having been broken leaves him a paradox. But then the whole of Clow Country and all their inhabitants including R!Sakura and family depended on the other StableTimeLoop involving the reservoir and C!Sakura's feather, which is also RetGone! So how come they aren't a paradox as well, paying their price for existing?
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