History Headscratchers / TronLegacy

21st Jul '16 5:47:13 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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*** I'm pretty sure that Clu is smart enough to know that he couldn't maintain the Flynn charade, and Sam is already putting together all the inconsistencies within minutes of meeting him. Look at the way Sam glances around the room and the hint of suspicion in his voice. Clu doesn't know enough about Flynn's life outside the Grid to keep up the charade either. He's DangerouslyGenreSavvy enough that he doesn't try a plan that's likely to run into failure. Besides, realistically, what can Sam really do for Clu that Rinzler and his thousands of rectified troops can't? Clu's ultimate goal is to draw Flynn out, so the quickest and simplest way to do that is to throw Sam onto the public gaming grid and keep trying to kill him until Flynn intervenes.

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*** I'm pretty sure that Clu is smart enough to know that he couldn't maintain the Flynn charade, and Sam is already putting together all the inconsistencies within minutes of meeting him. Look at the way Sam glances around the room and the hint of suspicion in his voice. Clu doesn't know enough about Flynn's life outside the Grid to keep up the charade either. He's DangerouslyGenreSavvy savvy enough that he doesn't try a plan that's likely to run into failure. Besides, realistically, what can Sam really do for Clu that Rinzler and his thousands of rectified troops can't? Clu's ultimate goal is to draw Flynn out, so the quickest and simplest way to do that is to throw Sam onto the public gaming grid and keep trying to kill him until Flynn intervenes.



If Kevin was GenreSavvy enough to write his last will and testament before digitizing one last time (evidently, because he was expecting Clu's coup), why wasn't he genre savvy '''enough''' to a) kill the process corresponding to Clu with signal 9, so Clu would immediately cease to exist, and b) delete Clu's files, so that it wouldn't be possible to launch Clu anymore? That way, he wouldn't even have had to digitize himself!

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If Kevin was GenreSavvy savvy enough to write his last will and testament before digitizing one last time (evidently, because he was expecting Clu's coup), why wasn't he genre savvy '''enough''' to a) kill the process corresponding to Clu with signal 9, so Clu would immediately cease to exist, and b) delete Clu's files, so that it wouldn't be possible to launch Clu anymore? That way, he wouldn't even have had to digitize himself!
26th Jun '16 8:57:05 PM nombretomado
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** It's arguable that Kevin is even ''more'' badass in ''Legacy'' than he is in the original. In the original movie he had to hide and sneak around, and his powers were large-scale and overt. In the sequel, he seems even more powerful, but his abilities are far more subtle. He's not overt or flashy; he heals dying/disabled programs, he converts a program's functions without it knowing immediately, he actually ''breaks'' Clu's programming on Tron by meeting his eyes, and he wins a battle by [[AwesomenessIsAForce showing up.]] He never raises a hand against anyone (except to bop that one program on the head) and the most overt attack he launches is to pull Clu into himself to destroy him. It reminds me of a scene from the novel ''[[TheDresdenFiles Turn Coat]]'' where a Native American medicine man deflects the magical attacks with a rain dance that causes all of his foe's energy assaults to simply flow around him, like it was part of the natural order that he couldn't be harmed. Kevin Flynn's power is like that; subtle but impressively potent.

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** It's arguable that Kevin is even ''more'' badass in ''Legacy'' than he is in the original. In the original movie he had to hide and sneak around, and his powers were large-scale and overt. In the sequel, he seems even more powerful, but his abilities are far more subtle. He's not overt or flashy; he heals dying/disabled programs, he converts a program's functions without it knowing immediately, he actually ''breaks'' Clu's programming on Tron by meeting his eyes, and he wins a battle by [[AwesomenessIsAForce showing up.]] He never raises a hand against anyone (except to bop that one program on the head) and the most overt attack he launches is to pull Clu into himself to destroy him. It reminds me of a scene from the novel ''[[TheDresdenFiles Turn Coat]]'' ''Literature/TurnCoat'' where a Native American medicine man deflects the magical attacks with a rain dance that causes all of his foe's energy assaults to simply flow around him, like it was part of the natural order that he couldn't be harmed. Kevin Flynn's power is like that; subtle but impressively potent.
9th May '16 12:00:59 AM erforce
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*** Oh, no! [[{{Terminator}} Skynet]]!

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*** Oh, no! [[{{Terminator}} [[Franchise/{{Terminator}} Skynet]]!
16th Feb '16 1:29:07 PM Allronix
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** Seeing as he ran that universe's answer to Apple or IBM, It's entirely possible that he coded a lot of them, but took others from decaying hard drives, decommissioned mainframes, obsolete servers, etc. , saving them from the "natural" death they'd have otherwise.
16th Feb '16 1:19:14 PM Allronix
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** Some praise should also go to Alan Bradley. Remember, Tron was designed to fight renegade AI. And Alan is a very cautious and sneaky guy with a healthy suspicion of artificial intelligence (Note the "KlatuuBaradaNikto" quote in his cube in the first film). So, he makes very, very sure that Tron is ThreeLawsCompliant. Law One: Harm no User, or allow the harm of a User by inaction. Law Two: Obey User commands (Flynn's comment could be broadly interpreted as one). Law Three: Preserve your existence ''unless'' Laws One or Two would be violated in the process. So as soon as there was an opening, Law Three goes out the window because Users in danger and User commands you to protect them.

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** Some praise should also go to Alan Bradley. Remember, Tron was designed to fight renegade AI. And Alan is a very cautious and sneaky guy with a healthy suspicion of artificial intelligence (Note the "KlatuuBaradaNikto" "KlaatuBaradaNikto" quote in his cube in the first film). So, he makes very, very sure that Tron is ThreeLawsCompliant. Law One: Harm no User, or allow the harm of a User by inaction. Law Two: Obey User commands (Flynn's comment could be broadly interpreted as one). Law Three: Preserve your existence ''unless'' Laws One or Two would be violated in the process. So as soon as there was an opening, Law Three goes out the window because Users in danger and User commands you to protect them.
16th Feb '16 1:15:59 PM Allronix
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*** ''It doesn't matter what they think and feel if it's all simulation. Should someone feel guilty for destroying something that isn't real?'' [[FlatWhat Wat.]] Are you seriously arguing that the living, thinking, active entities that can physically interact with users in the Grid and are capable of transitioning into the real world aren't ''real''? I guess the whole thing is a hallucination on the parts of the Flynns. Programs within the Tron setting are very much real, discrete entities that can permanently die, and it is quite clear that Sam and Kevin Flynn both believe that this is the case. They're ''not'' going to derezz programs just to gain a diguise.\\

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*** ''It doesn't matter what they think and feel if it's all simulation. Should someone feel guilty for destroying something that isn't real?'' [[FlatWhat Wat.]] Are you seriously arguing that the living, thinking, active entities that can physically interact with users in the Grid and are capable of transitioning into the real world aren't ''real''? I guess the whole thing is a hallucination on the parts of the Flynns. Programs within the Tron setting are very much real, discrete entities that can permanently die, and it is quite clear that Sam and Kevin Flynn both believe that this is the case. They're ''not'' going to derezz programs just to gain a diguise.disguise.\\


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** Some praise should also go to Alan Bradley. Remember, Tron was designed to fight renegade AI. And Alan is a very cautious and sneaky guy with a healthy suspicion of artificial intelligence (Note the "KlatuuBaradaNikto" quote in his cube in the first film). So, he makes very, very sure that Tron is ThreeLawsCompliant. Law One: Harm no User, or allow the harm of a User by inaction. Law Two: Obey User commands (Flynn's comment could be broadly interpreted as one). Law Three: Preserve your existence ''unless'' Laws One or Two would be violated in the process. So as soon as there was an opening, Law Three goes out the window because Users in danger and User commands you to protect them.
16th Jan '16 8:24:27 AM Morgenthaler
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* Regarding the Isos. Yes, it was a horrible, evil, Sith-Level monstrosity that Clu committed by inciting hatred against them. [[TronEvolution The creation of Abraxas and cold murder of Radia]] just scratched the surface. [[TronUprising The Iso Wars, bombing of their cities, mass genocide are even worse]]. However, the Grid was falling apart from gridbugs, system failures, and capacity issues before the coup (see the Betrayal comic). It went from being on the verge of irrecoverable crash to stable enough to run uninterrupted for nearly 21 years. The other disturbing element was that Flynn was delighted about the Isos, enough and go on and on about how great Isos were, how much of a "miracle" they were, his "gift to the world." The Programs get slapped with a denigrating label of Basics, and Flynn doesn't seem to be interested in them (to the point of possibly throwing them all under the bus, Tron included, just to he could save Quorra and his own ass). But aren't the Programs ''also'' miracles? Aren't they also life from nothing with unknown origin? Aren't they also sentient lifeforms with their own social order, dreams, sense of humor? Weren't they also worth respect? Wouldn't even the simplest accounting script like Ram rewrite everything - science, medicine, religion - just as much as an Iso could?

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* Regarding the Isos. Yes, it was a horrible, evil, Sith-Level monstrosity that Clu committed by inciting hatred against them. [[TronEvolution [[VideoGame/TronEvolution The creation of Abraxas and cold murder of Radia]] just scratched the surface. [[TronUprising [[WesternAnimation/TronUprising The Iso Wars, bombing of their cities, mass genocide are even worse]]. However, the Grid was falling apart from gridbugs, system failures, and capacity issues before the coup (see the Betrayal comic). It went from being on the verge of irrecoverable crash to stable enough to run uninterrupted for nearly 21 years. The other disturbing element was that Flynn was delighted about the Isos, enough and go on and on about how great Isos were, how much of a "miracle" they were, his "gift to the world." The Programs get slapped with a denigrating label of Basics, and Flynn doesn't seem to be interested in them (to the point of possibly throwing them all under the bus, Tron included, just to he could save Quorra and his own ass). But aren't the Programs ''also'' miracles? Aren't they also life from nothing with unknown origin? Aren't they also sentient lifeforms with their own social order, dreams, sense of humor? Weren't they also worth respect? Wouldn't even the simplest accounting script like Ram rewrite everything - science, medicine, religion - just as much as an Iso could?
24th May '15 8:05:01 AM Kilaknux
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** Plus, he's ''not'' an expert at dodging and flips. He can do both, but in the case of the former it's never something beyond reflex and athleticism, and in the latter he can do them, but always falls on his face afterwards.
19th Apr '15 1:35:23 AM CB2001
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*** Or, the books are actually just text files. Since most of the books whose authors were listed are in the public domain, it'd make sense that even in 1989, anyone could have text file copies of those authors' works.
19th Apr '15 1:26:51 AM CB2001
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** A lot of people misinterpret that in order to get out, you had to have the right disc. When it comes to Sam, he could still exit out of the system with his disc (this is apparent when Kevin Flynn tried to talk his son to continue to run for the portal so that he could shut down CLU from the outside. If Sam needed Flynn's disc to exit out of the system, then wouldn't his father have agreed to go after the disc before trying to push Sam to go to the portal? The point is that a User's disc can allow a user out, as well as let out a program that has a user's disc. Flynn's Disc isn't necessary for Sam to get out, as he's a user himself).
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