History Headscratchers / TimeHollow

9th Aug '12 12:40:13 PM Beldarius
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****** [[spoiler:The way I understood, those who are pulled from the past into the future are the only ones that live eternally. This is what happened to Kori - she has a Point A (going through the hole), but her Point B is that same moment - she can't just go back to that moment, can she?). ...Those who are pulled from the future into the past, such as Derek, go from Point A to Point B (for example, Derek ceases to exist when he reaches the moment Tim and Ethan originally threw him out of the hole).]]

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****** [[spoiler:The way I understood, those who are pulled from the past into the future are the only ones that live eternally. This is what happened to Kori - she has a Point A (going through the hole), but her Point B is that same moment - if she can't just wanted to vanish, she would have to go back to that moment, can she?).the past. ...Those who are pulled from the future into the past, such as Derek, go from Point A to Point B (for example, Derek ceases to exist when he reaches the moment Tim and Ethan originally threw him out of the hole).]]
9th Aug '12 12:39:22 PM Beldarius
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****** [[spoiler:The way I understood, those who are pulled from the past into the future are the only ones that live eternally. This is what happened to Kori - since she came from the past, she does not have a "ceasing to exist" point in the future to reach (meaning that she has a Point A, but her Point B is that same moment - she can't just go back to that moment, can she?). ...Those who are pulled from the future into the past, such as Derek, go from Point A to Point B (for example, Derek ceases when he reaches the moment Tim and Ethan originally threw him out of the hole).]]

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****** [[spoiler:The way I understood, those who are pulled from the past into the future are the only ones that live eternally. This is what happened to Kori - since she came from the past, she does not have a "ceasing to exist" point in the future to reach (meaning that she has a Point A, A (going through the hole), but her Point B is that same moment - she can't just go back to that moment, can she?). ...Those who are pulled from the future into the past, such as Derek, go from Point A to Point B (for example, Derek ceases to exist when he reaches the moment Tim and Ethan originally threw him out of the hole).]]
9th Aug '12 12:37:19 PM Beldarius
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****** [[The way I understood, those who are pulled from the past into the future are the only ones that live eternally. This is what happened to Kori - since she came from the past, she does not have a "ceasing to exist" point in the future to reach (meaning that she has a Point A, but her Point B is that same moment - she can't just go back to that moment, can she?). ...Those who are pulled from the future into the past, such as Derek, go from Point A to Point B (for example, Derek ceases when he reaches the moment Tim and Ethan originally threw him out of the hole).]]

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****** [[The [[spoiler:The way I understood, those who are pulled from the past into the future are the only ones that live eternally. This is what happened to Kori - since she came from the past, she does not have a "ceasing to exist" point in the future to reach (meaning that she has a Point A, but her Point B is that same moment - she can't just go back to that moment, can she?). ...Those who are pulled from the future into the past, such as Derek, go from Point A to Point B (for example, Derek ceases when he reaches the moment Tim and Ethan originally threw him out of the hole).]]
9th Aug '12 12:36:42 PM Beldarius
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****** [[The way I understood, those who are pulled from the past into the future are the only ones that live eternally. This is what happened to Kori - since she came from the past, she does not have a "ceasing to exist" point in the future to reach (meaning that she has a Point A, but her Point B is that same moment - she can't just go back to that moment, can she?). ...Those who are pulled from the future into the past, such as Derek, go from Point A to Point B (for example, Derek ceases when he reaches the moment Tim and Ethan originally threw him out of the hole).]]
1st Mar '12 12:31:39 PM tooknown
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*** Couldn't they have bought a huge mattress or inflatable thingy and used that instead?
2nd Feb '12 3:59:09 PM Nezumi
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*** Not following you. When someone goes back in time, their original -- the one who went back in time in the first place -- ceases to exist when the timeline reaches the point where they originally went back in time. They don't go back in time. They simply '''aren't there anymore''' -- the reason provided is a bit confusing, but this is clearly what the game establishes. I'm not sure what's stopping the original Irving from going back in time, telling Jack!Irving what he needs to know and giving him the pen, then waiting out the time until he ceases to exist, under these rules. You're suggesting this is paradoxical... based on rules other than ones the game provides for its own time travel.
9th Oct '11 7:22:13 PM TheTalkingToaster
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***** [[spoiler:The letter was probably sent shortly before his disappearance (which would have been shortly before you send him through the hole.)]]
15th Sep '11 1:58:43 AM TheTalkingToaster
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*** But that still doesn't make sense. Jack!Irving explains the other Irving disappearance with the money analogy, which is an object loop ontological paradox. Simply put, if a duplicate is sent from the future to the The ONLY way you can avoid infinite decay in that case (or - in a human's case - going insane) is to send the original back when you catch up ti the point of sending, not the duplicate. In the case of the two Irvings, the original, who had NOT gone back through time should have gone back, which didn't happen.

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*** But that still doesn't make sense. Jack!Irving explains the other Irving disappearance with the money analogy, which is an object loop ontological paradox. Simply put, if a duplicate is sent from the future to the The ONLY way you can avoid infinite decay in that case (or - in a human's case - going insane) is to send the original ''original'' back when you catch up ti to the point of sending, not the duplicate. duplicate (which should supersede the original after the point of sending). For example, if you receive a future version of a DVD you already own you have to send the one you owned previously back when the point of sending occurs, otherwise the future version will be weathered to infinity and break the loop. In the case of the two Irvings, the original, who had NOT gone back through time time, should have gone back, which back. This didn't happen.happen (or else Jack!Irving wouldn't be able to use the pen, since he's out of time) hence the loop is broken.
15th Sep '11 1:45:47 AM TheTalkingToaster
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***But that still doesn't make sense. Jack!Irving explains the other Irving disappearance with the money analogy, which is an object loop ontological paradox. Simply put, if a duplicate is sent from the future to the The ONLY way you can avoid infinite decay in that case (or - in a human's case - going insane) is to send the original back when you catch up ti the point of sending, not the duplicate. In the case of the two Irvings, the original, who had NOT gone back through time should have gone back, which didn't happen.
1st Sep '11 4:32:27 AM Anderling
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** He definitly died right after going through.
*** The moment Derek goes through the Hole to save Kori, he ceases to be. So, while he'll never age between the time he saved Kori to his going through the hole, he ceases to exist immediately after that. Basically, he's only in a very specific length of time from Point A to Point B, and nowhere else.

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** He [[spoiler:He definitly died right after going through.
through.]]
*** The [[spoiler:The moment Derek goes through the Hole to save Kori, he ceases to be. So, while he'll never age between the time he saved Kori to his going through the hole, he ceases to exist immediately after that. ]] Basically, he's only in a very specific length of time from Point A to Point B, and nowhere else.else.
**** [[spoiler:Don't you get a letter from the Uncle Derek you sent to the past, saying he's looking after his alternate self and Kori? Doesn't seem like he died to me.]]
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