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****** [[spoiler:The way I understood, those who are pulled from the past into the future are the only ones that live eternally. This is what happened to Kori - she has a Point A (going through the hole), but her Point B is that same moment - she can't just go back to that moment, can she?). ...Those who are pulled from the future into the past, such as Derek, go from Point A to Point B (for example, Derek ceases to exist when he reaches the moment Tim and Ethan originally threw him out of the hole).]]
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****** [[spoiler:The way I understood, those who are pulled from the past into the future are the only ones that live eternally. This is what happened to Kori - she has a Point A (going through the hole), but her Point B is that same moment - if she can't just wanted to vanish, she would have to go back to that moment, can she?).the past. ...Those who are pulled from the future into the past, such as Derek, go from Point A to Point B (for example, Derek ceases to exist when he reaches the moment Tim and Ethan originally threw him out of the hole).]]
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****** [[spoiler:The way I understood, those who are pulled from the past into the future are the only ones that live eternally. This is what happened to Kori - since she came from the past, she does not have a "ceasing to exist" point in the future to reach (meaning that she has a Point A, but her Point B is that same moment - she can't just go back to that moment, can she?). ...Those who are pulled from the future into the past, such as Derek, go from Point A to Point B (for example, Derek ceases when he reaches the moment Tim and Ethan originally threw him out of the hole).]]
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****** [[spoiler:The way I understood, those who are pulled from the past into the future are the only ones that live eternally. This is what happened to Kori - since she came from the past, she does not have a "ceasing to exist" point in the future to reach (meaning that she has a Point A, A (going through the hole), but her Point B is that same moment - she can't just go back to that moment, can she?). ...Those who are pulled from the future into the past, such as Derek, go from Point A to Point B (for example, Derek ceases to exist when he reaches the moment Tim and Ethan originally threw him out of the hole).]]
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****** [[The way I understood, those who are pulled from the past into the future are the only ones that live eternally. This is what happened to Kori - since she came from the past, she does not have a "ceasing to exist" point in the future to reach (meaning that she has a Point A, but her Point B is that same moment - she can't just go back to that moment, can she?). ...Those who are pulled from the future into the past, such as Derek, go from Point A to Point B (for example, Derek ceases when he reaches the moment Tim and Ethan originally threw him out of the hole).]]
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****** [[The [[spoiler:The way I understood, those who are pulled from the past into the future are the only ones that live eternally. This is what happened to Kori - since she came from the past, she does not have a "ceasing to exist" point in the future to reach (meaning that she has a Point A, but her Point B is that same moment - she can't just go back to that moment, can she?). ...Those who are pulled from the future into the past, such as Derek, go from Point A to Point B (for example, Derek ceases when he reaches the moment Tim and Ethan originally threw him out of the hole).]]
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****** [[The way I understood, those who are pulled from the past into the future are the only ones that live eternally. This is what happened to Kori - since she came from the past, she does not have a "ceasing to exist" point in the future to reach (meaning that she has a Point A, but her Point B is that same moment - she can't just go back to that moment, can she?). ...Those who are pulled from the future into the past, such as Derek, go from Point A to Point B (for example, Derek ceases when he reaches the moment Tim and Ethan originally threw him out of the hole).]]
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*** Couldn't they have bought a huge mattress or inflatable thingy and used that instead?
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*** Not following you. When someone goes back in time, their original -- the one who went back in time in the first place -- ceases to exist when the timeline reaches the point where they originally went back in time. They don't go back in time. They simply '''aren't there anymore''' -- the reason provided is a bit confusing, but this is clearly what the game establishes. I'm not sure what's stopping the original Irving from going back in time, telling Jack!Irving what he needs to know and giving him the pen, then waiting out the time until he ceases to exist, under these rules. You're suggesting this is paradoxical... based on rules other than ones the game provides for its own time travel.
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***** [[spoiler:The letter was probably sent shortly before his disappearance (which would have been shortly before you send him through the hole.)]]
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*** But that still doesn't make sense. Jack!Irving explains the other Irving disappearance with the money analogy, which is an object loop ontological paradox. Simply put, if a duplicate is sent from the future to the The ONLY way you can avoid infinite decay in that case (or - in a human's case - going insane) is to send the original back when you catch up ti the point of sending, not the duplicate. In the case of the two Irvings, the original, who had NOT gone back through time should have gone back, which didn't happen.
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*** But that still doesn't make sense. Jack!Irving explains the other Irving disappearance with the money analogy, which is an object loop ontological paradox. Simply put, if a duplicate is sent from the future to the The ONLY way you can avoid infinite decay in that case (or - in a human's case - going insane) is to send the original ''original'' back when you catch up ti to the point of sending, not the duplicate. duplicate (which should supersede the original after the point of sending). For example, if you receive a future version of a DVD you already own you have to send the one you owned previously back when the point of sending occurs, otherwise the future version will be weathered to infinity and break the loop. In the case of the two Irvings, the original, who had NOT gone back through time time, should have gone back, which back. This didn't happen.happen (or else Jack!Irving wouldn't be able to use the pen, since he's out of time) hence the loop is broken.
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***But that still doesn't make sense. Jack!Irving explains the other Irving disappearance with the money analogy, which is an object loop ontological paradox. Simply put, if a duplicate is sent from the future to the The ONLY way you can avoid infinite decay in that case (or - in a human's case - going insane) is to send the original back when you catch up ti the point of sending, not the duplicate. In the case of the two Irvings, the original, who had NOT gone back through time should have gone back, which didn't happen.
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** He definitly died right after going through.
*** The moment Derek goes through the Hole to save Kori, he ceases to be. So, while he'll never age between the time he saved Kori to his going through the hole, he ceases to exist immediately after that. Basically, he's only in a very specific length of time from Point A to Point B, and nowhere else.
*** The moment Derek goes through the Hole to save Kori, he ceases to be. So, while he'll never age between the time he saved Kori to his going through the hole, he ceases to exist immediately after that. Basically, he's only in a very specific length of time from Point A to Point B, and nowhere else.
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** He [[spoiler:He definitly died right after going through.
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***The [[spoiler:The moment Derek goes through the Hole to save Kori, he ceases to be. So, while he'll never age between the time he saved Kori to his going through the hole, he ceases to exist immediately after that. ]] Basically, he's only in a very specific length of time from Point A to Point B, and nowhere else.else.
**** [[spoiler:Don't you get a letter from the Uncle Derek you sent to the past, saying he's looking after his alternate self and Kori? Doesn't seem like he died to me.]]
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**** [[spoiler:Don't you get a letter from the Uncle Derek you sent to the past, saying he's looking after his alternate self and Kori? Doesn't seem like he died to me.]]
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*** The moment Derek goes through the Hole to save Kori, he ceases to be. So, while he'll never age between the time he saved Kori to his going through the hole, he ceases to exist immediately after that. Basically, he's only in a very specific length of time from Point A to Point B, and nowhere else.
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** He definitly died right after going through.
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* At the end of the game, [[spoiler:Derek is sent back in time to save Kori.]] That works, suspension of disbelief and stuff. However, it's shown that [[spoiler:if you go through a time portal, you exist "outside of time". Does this mean [[WhoWantsToLiveForever Derek will never, ever die naturally]]?]] Because that's a horrible thought any way you look at it...
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* How and why did Irving steal Jack's entire identity and place in Ethan's life? And what was with that whole 'Irving has been superceded by the fake Jack' business?
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* How and why did Irving steal Jack's entire identity and place in Ethan's life? And what was with that whole 'Irving has been superceded superseded by the fake Jack' business?
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**** Yes, you do. If, on a second playthrough, you go to your room but choose to not open the hole to your past yet, you can follow Sox through town... and people there say he was there already while you were seeing here somewhere else completelly different.
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**** Yes, you do. If, on a second playthrough, you go to your room but choose to not open the hole to your past yet, you can follow Sox through town... and people there say he was there already while you were seeing here somewhere else completelly completely different.
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** On the subject of the Pen, where is Ethan's other hollow pen (remember the one million => two million => one million question? well with it in mind Ethan should still have a pen, but it seems to be implied that this isn't the case).
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** On the subject of the Pen, where is Ethan's other hollow pen (remember Hollow Pen? (Remember the one million => two million => one million question? well Well, with it that in mind mind, Ethan should still have a pen, but it seems to be implied that this isn't the case).case.)
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** A likely reason is based around the emphasis of the Pen user needing specific flashbacks to alter specific events. In the case of the hideout, the only flashbacks of it are the exterior. Ethan can only play around with what's in front of him (like freeing Shiloh, fixing the broken step on the ladder, and putting out the firebomb). If Ethan stepped through the hole to grab that book, he would have been left out of time and became ineligible for the Hollow Pen. Sure, he didn't know it at the time, but there were way more pressing matters to him than just reading the book.
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* I know the clubhouse ladder can be repaired to help Vin. However has anyone tried opening the clubhouse door to find that book about parallel worlds that Morris mentioned?
