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* Ghost Rider and Dormammu means that legitimate demons exist in the MCU. So...are Hela and Surtur SufficentlyAdvancedAliens like all ther Asgardians, or are they actual demons?
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* Ghost Rider and Dormammu means that legitimate demons exist in the MCU. So...are Hela and Surtur SufficentlyAdvancedAliens [[SufficentlyAdvancedAlien Suficiently Advanced Aliens]] like all ther Asgardians, or are they actual demons?
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*Ghost Rider and Dormammu means that legitimate demons exist in the MCU. So...are Hela and Surtur SufficentlyAdvancedAliens like all ther Asgardians, or are they actual demons?
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**Asgardians are "enhanced humans". Does that mean ALL of them have to register with the Accords?
**This plotpoint makes my earlier "how it is possible that the Runaways have no one to turn to for help?" Headscratcher even bigger, since now there's an entire community of superhumans that would bewilling to help the Runaways.
**How can the Netflix shows continue to operate under their "this is gritty and realistic" pretense when there's now an entire community of superhumans running around in New York?
**How can they pull off the [[Film/BlackPanther "the world at large is shocked and amazed by Wakanda coming out of seclusion"]] plotline when there's an even bigger community of [[PhysicalGod Physical Gods]](ie. something much more disquieting than mere isolanist humans) now living among them?
**The planned Spider-Man sequel...how can Peter remain "an urban hero with small concerns" when he's now next door neighbor to cosmic beings?
**Finally, wouldn't this abrupt event pretty much ruins the Inhuman Royal Family's ownattempt at isolationism?
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**"We don't deal with the physical". It just so happens that anything short of a PersonOfMassDestruction is labelled as "the physical" for them. Furthermore, relating to a Headscratcher of my own, [[Series/Runaways2017 The Pride]] sucessfully infiltrated the Masters of the Mystical Arts ([[PlotHole somehow]]).
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If Strange was so against Asgardians, why didn't the Ancient One or the other Sorcerors stopped Loki in [[Film/TheAvengers The Avengers]]
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** Loki and Thor were knocked out of the rainbow bridge into normal space separately before falling into wormholes or other space portals leading to Sakaar. A difference in time flow through the different portals could account for this.
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* Time doesn't seem to flow differently on Sakaar. Hela doesn't seem to have spent several weeks on Asgard at that point. And if the Rainbow Bridge can toss someone back in time, why didn't that happen to Thor?
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* Time doesn't seem to flow differently on Sakaar. Hela doesn't seem to have spent several weeks on Asgard at that point. And if the Rainbow Bridge can toss someone back in time, why didn't that happen to Thor?
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** He explicitly told Thor at the beginning that he couldn't truly die until he destroyed Asgard after being reborn via the Eternal Flame, so it's pretty likely.
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** I think the film leaves this vague; but it seems likely that he did, yes.
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* At the end of the movie, Surtur destroys Asgard. At first, he only just destroyed the buildings of Asgard, all in a fiery blaze. Then, Asgard fuckin' explodes, and all of it is gone. Did Surtur just sorta...kill himself alongside with Asgard?
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* At the end of the movie, Surtur destroys Asgard. At first, he only just destroyed the buildings of Asgard, all in a fiery blaze. Then, Asgard fuckin' explodes, and all of it is gone. Did Surtur just sorta...kill himself alongside with Asgard?
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** Also consider that Valkyrie is probably much older than Thor and Loki, yet looks roughly the same age as them. So taking her into consideration, their aging probably slows down (so much they may as well stop, as said above). Or her aging issue is because she's been on Sakaar, where it's said that time passes weirdly.
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** It was probably Frigga. She's shown herself to be just as stern and iron-willed as Odin. It's not out of the question she decided it would be for the best if nobody ever remembered her daughter.
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** The most likely explanation is that they age at a fairly human pace until they reach a certain level of biological maturity, and which point they either stop or slow so much they may as well stop. Remember, Thor was telling the story to Valkyrie as well, so if Asgardians can barely crawl at 8 it would have made no sense to her. So in other words, Odin must be really ''really'' old.
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*** Loki tells Valkyrie that he thought that all the valkyries died a gruesome death before he does the TouchTelepathy to her and finding out what actually happened. So either that was the official version every Asgardian knew ("They all died in some brutal battle") or only Loki found out about it, which I think is unlikely, because in this case he had to already know what exactly happened and that Hela was involved.
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* Or more specifically: Hela's mother. I know that there's no way to know for sure, but what is more likely: Is Frigga also Hela's mother or did Frigga become Odins wife ''after'' he decided to become a benevolent ruler?
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[[folder: How fast do Asgardians age?]]
* Thor says that the story with Loki turning into a snake happened when they were eight. Did Thor convert it for Bruce to understand or do Asgardians age like humans until they're adult? Or do Asgardians have an entirely different calendar (Like an Asgardian year is sixty human years long, as an example)?
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** The most likely candidates for her actual name are Brunnhilde or Caiera, given the characters she's a composite of.
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**** Well, they were wiped out by another woman who was Asgard's greatest warrior, but I suppose that just loops back to first question about what's official version of the story.
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*** Because the last time women were warriors in Asgardian society there were completely wiped out. Asgardians then began to doubt female warriors were a good idea and by the time Sif came around she had to reprove that woman were capable.
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*** Loki and Thor seemed to be the only ones who knew. It's possible Odin kept them mostly a secret, only telling his two sons (likely glossing over the part where their sister killed them all). This actually could explain why Thor was so adamant about allowing Sif to train. Also, keep in mind that he mentioned that he was unaware they were women at first.
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*** Loki and Thor seemed to be Same as above, after the only ones who knew. It's possible Odin kept them mostly a secret, only telling his two sons (likely glossing over the part where their sister Valkyries were all killed them all). This actually could explain why being a warrior was a male only job. Thor was so adamant about allowing Sif would view a female warrior as a rare exception instead of a common occurrence. Looking back and realizing female warriors used to train. Also, keep in mind be common enough that he mentioned that he was unaware they were women at first.had their own elite unit within the Asgardian Army would seem incredibly progressive.
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** WordOfGod states that Odin banished Sif so she wouldn't figure things out and so she was off-world.
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*** Loki and Thor seemed to be the only ones who knew. It's possible Odin kept them mostly a secret, only telling his two sons (likely glossing over the part where their sister killed them all). This actually could explain why Thor was so adamant about allowing Sif to train. Also, keep in mind that he mentioned that he was unaware they were women at first.
*** Loki and Thor seemed to be the only ones who knew. It's possible Odin kept them mostly a secret, only telling his two sons (likely glossing over the part where their sister killed them all). This actually could explain why Thor was so adamant about allowing Sif to train. Also, keep in mind that he mentioned that he was unaware they were women at first.
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Because that raises a lot of questions:
** What they think ''did'' happened to them if no one knew about Hela? It's not even that much of a PlotHole, I just would like to have Thor say something like "I was told that all Valkyries died fighting Fafnir" or "Father said that Valkyries were sent to a really nice farm" or something to that effect.
** Why did Sif had to prove that woman can be a warrior?
** Why did Thor treated all-female elite warrior group as something progressive when it was established a long time before his birth?
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Because that raises a lot of questions:
** What they think ''did'' happened to them if no one knew about Hela? It's not even that much of a PlotHole, I just would like to have Thor say something like "I was told that all Valkyries died fighting Fafnir" or "Father said that Valkyries were sent to a really nice farm" or something to that effect.
** Why did Sif had to prove that woman can be a warrior?
** Why did Thor treated all-female elite warrior group as something progressive when it was established a long time before his birth?
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** They pretty much straight-up state that Loki confounded Odin to forget his godhood and placed him in a retirement home in New York; you have to remember that as per Thor 1, Odin is increasingly old and vulnerable - he enters the Odinsleep largely due to an aggravated argument with his son - so caught off guard, Odin was probably easy pickings for his son's machinations. When Odin regained knowledge of who he was, he went to Norway to be alone, knowing his time was coming to an end.
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** They pretty much straight-up state that Loki confounded Odin to forget his godhood and placed him in a retirement home in New York; you have to remember that as per Thor 1, Odin is increasingly old and vulnerable - he enters the Odinsleep largely due to an aggravated argument with his son - so caught off guard, Odin was probably easy pickings for his son's machinations. When Odin regained knowledge of who he was, he went to Norway to be alone, alone and asked Doctor Strange to help maintain his privacy, knowing his time was coming to an end.
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** WordOfGod is that the universe is littered with jump points and wormholes (as seen in ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2'') and that Hulk's quinjet had happened on one that dumped him on Sakaar.
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** Not Black Widow's video that Thor triggered. Banner checked the flight logs to see what happened. It looked like Hulk was trying to resist or get away from something from within the ship?
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** They pretty much straight-up state that Loki confounded Odin to forget his godhood and placed him in a retirement home in New York; you have to remember that as per Thor 1, Odin is increasingly old and vulnerable - he enters the Odinsleep largely due to an aggravated argument with his son - so caught off guard, Odin was probably easy pickings for his son's machinations. When Odin regained knowledge of who he was, he went to Norway to be alone, knowing his time was coming to an end.
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** The video was Nat trying to compel him to come back, not telling him where to go; I imagine Bruce/Hulk got to Sakaar simply drifting in space; Loki and Thor get there simply by being ejected from the Bifrost, after all.
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** No, he wasn't. He also probably wasn't literally the Grandmaster's cousin: "Cousin" or "cuz" is a generic term of address in New Zealend, like 'bro' or 'buddy', and that alien had an NZ accent.
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** The credits just list her as "Valkyrie".
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* He's only in the film for a few minutes with his encounter with his cousin, but was he the broker (the alien Quill tried to deal the stone to in the first GOTF film? His actor's not credited to be in Ragnarok, but the character looks familiar.
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* He's only in the film for a few minutes with his encounter with his cousin, but was he the broker (the alien Quill tried to deal the stone to in the first GOTF film? His actor's not credited to be in Ragnarok, but the character looks familiar.
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** Don't know about Lorelei. But Sif's actress was busy filming something else. Kevin Feige says that perhaps "Odin" banished her away from Asgard.
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* We dont see both of them in the movie, its felt unclear if they were present in Asgard when Surtur destroyed it.
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* We dont see both of them in the movie, its felt unclear if they were present in Asgard when Surtur destroyed it.
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* This felt vaguely explained. Was the flight log video supposed to explain everything? Did a random wormhole open on Earth that just happened to be exactly where Hulk's quinjet was?
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* This felt vaguely explained. Was the flight log video supposed to explain everything? I didn't get what was going on. Did a random wormhole open on Earth that just happened to be exactly where Hulk's quinjet was?
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* Was kinda vague than I was hoping for. What likely happened off-screen from the end of Thor 2? Seems like it was too easy for Loki to get rid of the king of Asgard.
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* This felt vaguely explained. Was the flight log video supposed to explain everything? Did a random wormhole open on Earth that just happened to be exactly where Hulk's quinjet was?
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* Was kinda vague than I was hoping for. What likely happened off-screen from the end of Thor 2? Seems like it was too easy for Loki to get rid of the king of Asgard.
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* This felt vaguely explained. Was the flight log video supposed to explain everything? Did a random wormhole open on Earth that just happened to be exactly where Hulk's quinjet was?
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** No, her name is never said in the film. Maybe in the credits it shows up.
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* Was Valkyrie's actual name ever mentioned in the film? She obviously based on Brunnhilde from the comics, but is she ever referred to by name? Is it mentioned anywhere in other material?
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* Was Valkyrie's actual name ever mentioned in the film? She obviously based on Brunnhilde from the comics, but is she ever referred to by name? Is it mentioned anywhere in other material?
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