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**** Yes, but why would Vizinni have just made up that it was from Australia? It was Wesley's iocane and there was every chance he knew where it was from. If he had said 'It's from America!' then Wesley would have corrected him and he'd have appeared stupid. If Vizzini had not said anything about the origins, he would not have appeared stupid and randomly guessing had a very high probability of guessing wrong and then looking stupid. Vizzini may have read about iocane powder andn so when it was identified he knew where it originated from at least.
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**** He threatens to hit her because she was 'lying' about him not having loved anyone as much as she did. The hell? Even if she was wrong about that, she wasn't lying. She just didn't know that he had loved anyone. Even if her love had been shallow, she had no reason to think that Robers had ever loved anyone even that much. And when he's been supposedly dead for five years, it's kind of unreasonable to expect her to stay devoted to him. I mean, they weren't even married!
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**** Does Buttercup know this? She knows he helped to kidnap her but Vizzini was the one talking about killing her and Inigo may have even said something while she was conscious about how he wasn't comfortable with the plan. Sure, his part in that plot wasn't good but it's not the mass murder Robert's is supposedly guilty of either.
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** By the time Wesley takes over the mantle of Roberts the legend is so infamous that he doesn't have to kill anyone at all, simple run up his colors and any ship will simply send over their valuables without a fight. Although he does seem quite willing and able to kill when nessecary (Vizzini) he doesn't seem to take any pleasure in it.
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**Westley is significantly more intelligent than Inigo. This means he learns faster and is a better tactician. Also, there's a point in skill development where you can't get any better, only keep your skills sharp.
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** This troper thought that maybe Inigo had just recently learned English. He has a strong accent, he occasionally uses odd words to convey his meaning, and he's unusually pedantic about correct usage (Let me 'splain...no, is too long, let me sum up) in a way that a native speaker wouldn't be. If he had just learned precisely what inconceivable means, he would be more bothered to hear a smart man like Vizzini using it to express his annoyance at something that, having happened, obviously was conceivable by someone, if not by Vizzini.
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*** Actually, the princess was described as being perfectly lovely... it just turned out that she was as bald as an egg.
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*** Well, obviously the way to win Russian Roulette is to never pick up the gun... This troper always read that scene as Westley playacting to toy with Vizzini, not exhibiting genuine nervousness.
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*** The terrain was critical. It is stated outright that Inigo was superior in 2/3 possible terrains, but it just so happened that the lay of the battlefield allowed Westley to keep the fight within the one type of terrain where he was superior.
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** There is an interesting piece of FridgeBrilliance in the iocane powder scene. In the book you have Vizzini ranting along the lines of "Because of X it can't be the goblet in front of me. Because of Y it can't be the goblet in front of you. But because of Z it can't be the goblet in front of me. But, because of N it can't be the goblet in front of you..." and so on. And at first you think it's all just for the joke, showing Vizzini talking out of his ass and actually not knowing what he was doing at all. But, in the book it also describes the MIB as getting more and more nervous and impatient and demanding Vizzini stop delaying and choose already. So why is the MIB nervous? Because if you follow Vizzini's circular logic to its ultimate conclusion, it must inevitably lead to the realization that either there is no poison in any of the cups, or there is poison in both cups! The MIB was getting nervous because he was worried that Vizzini was appearing to be gradually seeing through his trick! (And there would be risk of harm to Buttercup if Vizzini picked up on the trick).

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** There is an interesting piece of FridgeBrilliance in the iocane powder scene. In the book you have Vizzini ranting along the lines of "Because of X it I can't be take the goblet in front of me. Because of Y it I can't be take the goblet in front of you. But because of Z it I can't be take the goblet in front of me. But, because of N it I can't be take the goblet in front of you..." and so on. And at first you think it's all just for the joke, showing Vizzini talking out of his ass and actually not knowing what he was doing at all. But, in the book it also describes the MIB as getting more and more nervous and impatient and demanding Vizzini stop delaying and choose already. So why is the MIB nervous? Because if you follow Vizzini's circular logic to its ultimate conclusion, it must inevitably lead leads to the realization conclusion that Vizzini should not drink from either there is no poison in any of the cups, or there is poison in both cups! cup! The MIB was getting nervous because he was worried that Vizzini was appearing to be gradually seeing through his trick! (And there would be risk of harm to Buttercup if Vizzini picked up on the trick).
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** There is an interesting piece of FridgeBrilliance in the iocane powder scene. In the book you have Vizzini ranting along the lines of "Because of X it can't be the goblet in front of me. Because of Y it can't be the goblet in front of you. But because of Z it can't be the goblet in front of me. But, because of N it can't be the goblet in front of you..." and so on. And at first you think it's all just for the joke, showing Vizzini talking out of his ass and actually not knowing what he was doing at all. But, in the book it also describes the MIB as getting more and more nervous and impatient and demanding Vizzini stop delaying and choose already. So why is the MIB nervous? Because if you follow Vizzini's circular logic to its ultimate conclusion, it must inevitably lead to the realization that either there is no poison in any of the cups, or there is poison in both cups! The MIB was getting nervous because he was worried that Vizzini was appearing to be gradually seeing through his trick! (And there would be risk of harm to Buttercup if Vizzini picked up on the trick).
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*** Still doesn't explain why Inigo had to count on his fingers to figure out the 30-10 and yet can count almost immediately 60 men.
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** What, are you expecting that he was going to let all of the citizenry examine the corpse? The Guilder insignia was part of the excuse; all he'd ''really'' need to do, for his people, is say, "Agents of Guilder kidnapped and murdered the Princess." It's not like he was going to call in CSI.
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* Am I the only one who has a problem with Humperdinck's murder plan? It relies on everyone assuming Guilder is responsible by way of Guilder insignia to be found on Buttercup's corpse! Does he really think he rules [[ViewersAreMorons a country full of idiots]]?!
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**** In the book, he does in fact strike her. Actually, the exact line is: "He slapped her."
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** "The man in black was after the woman we captured... the prince, who I hate anyway, is marrying the woman we captured... someone is screaming so loudly I can hear it from here... It must be that the man in black is heartbroken that his love is marrying the prince! We can use this to our advantage!" This is the sort of conclusion he jumps to ''all the time''. Remember, Wesley was screaming ''because he was hooked up to a machine that was so painful it took off fifty years of his life in one go''. It's coincidence that Inigo happened to be right about the man in black's relation to Buttercup. People tend to know things they shouldn't all the time in this movie.

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** "The man in black was after the woman we captured... the prince, who I hate anyway, is marrying the woman we captured... someone is screaming so loudly I can hear it from here... It must be that the man in black is heartbroken that his love is marrying the prince! We can use this to our advantage!" This is the sort of conclusion he jumps to ''all the time''. Remember, Wesley Westley was screaming ''because he was hooked up to a machine that was so painful it took off fifty years of his life in one go''. It's coincidence that Inigo happened to be right about the man in black's relation to Buttercup. People tend to know things they shouldn't all the time in this movie.



*** Fezzik worked for the brute squad, so it's possible he saw the Count and guessed that he was the six-fingered man (Indigo was Fezzik's friend and made his quest no secret, so even the giant would probably remember that much).

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*** Fezzik worked for the brute squad, so it's possible he saw the Count and guessed that he was the six-fingered man (Indigo (Inigo was Fezzik's friend and made his quest no secret, so even the giant would probably remember that much).



** Wesley says that Roberts was intrigued by Wesley's lack of begging, which is why he didn't kill him. Maybe Roberts would threaten to kill people just to find out if they had any dignity-- and was disappointed by everyone except for Wesley.

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** Wesley Westley says that Roberts was intrigued by Wesley's Westley's lack of begging, which is why he didn't kill him. Maybe Roberts would threaten to kill people just to find out if they had any dignity-- and was disappointed by everyone except for Wesley.Westley.



* Am I the only one bothered by the fact Buttercup ISN'T bothered by the fact that Wesley has apparently become a ruthless slaughtering murderer during his time as the latest Dread Pirate Roberts since she last saw him?
** Once Wesley reveals his true identity, she probably assumes that he didn't really do any of the things the [=DPR=] was reputed to have done, because she knows he's incapable of such things.

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* Am I the only one bothered by the fact Buttercup ISN'T bothered by the fact that Wesley Westley has apparently become a ruthless slaughtering murderer during his time as the latest Dread Pirate Roberts since she last saw him?
** Once Wesley Westley reveals his true identity, she probably assumes that he didn't really do any of the things the [=DPR=] was reputed to have done, because she knows he's incapable of such things.



** Well keep in mind that Indigo says "I don't ''think'' it means what you think it does". He himself isn't sure that he's right about Vizzini being mistaken, he just suspects it.

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** Well keep in mind that Indigo Inigo says "I don't ''think'' it means what you think it does". He himself isn't sure that he's right about Vizzini being mistaken, he just suspects it.



** FridgeLogic: Why is iocaine powder so commonly known to be tasteless, yet it is "inconceivable" for a man using iocaine powder to have intentionally developed an immunity to it? If it kills in seconds, who would have been suspicious of food or drink that tasted perfectly normal? (Unless it was explained in the book, such as only Wesley knowing it was tasteless, it's been too long since I've read it.)

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** FridgeLogic: Why is iocaine powder so commonly known to be tasteless, yet it is "inconceivable" for a man using iocaine powder to have intentionally developed an immunity to it? If it kills in seconds, who would have been suspicious of food or drink that tasted perfectly normal? (Unless it was explained in the book, such as only Wesley Westley knowing it was tasteless, it's been too long since I've read it.)



***** Well, Weasley didn't correct him, so I think we should assume he knew where it came from unless there is a reason not to.

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***** Well, Weasley Westley didn't correct him, so I think we should assume he knew where it came from unless there is a reason not to.



** The way I saw this scene was; they both cheated. The game was to discern where the poison is and choose the goblet that wouldn't kill you. DPR however is immune to the poison and poisoned both goblet. Fezzini's ploy was no to gloat but to see if DPR would hesitate to drink from "his" cup; if he didn't then the ploy worked, if he did then he had a plan b in store I'm sure. He is a Sicilian after all, and death is on the line.

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** The way I saw this scene was; they both cheated. The game was to discern where the poison is and choose the goblet that wouldn't kill you. DPR however is immune to the poison and poisoned both goblet. Fezzini's Vizzini's ploy was no to gloat but to see if DPR would hesitate to drink from "his" cup; if he didn't then the ploy worked, if he did then he had a plan b in store I'm sure. He is a Sicilian after all, and death is on the line.



*** I always thought it was because Inigo was just fighting for a job - Wesley was fighting to save the life of the woman he loves.

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*** I always thought it was because Inigo was just fighting for a job - Wesley Westley was fighting to save the life of the woman he loves.



*** But you (and Wesley) are assuming that since three dangers are known, there are only three dangers. Look at it this way. I'm holding four cards in my hand, three folded out like a fan. One card is behind them, on its side so you can't see it. That card is, metaphorically, the hypothetical invisible dragons. It's possible that Wesley was just saying three specific things since he'd seen three so far, and that the one Buttercup hadn;t seen was just a myth in case they didn't actually encounter it, but it ''really'' sounded like the [[RuleOfThree Three]] [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Dangers of the Fireswamp]] were a common legend (especially with Buttercup bringing up the [=ROUSes=]).

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*** But you (and Wesley) Westley) are assuming that since three dangers are known, there are only three dangers. Look at it this way. I'm holding four cards in my hand, three folded out like a fan. One card is behind them, on its side so you can't see it. That card is, metaphorically, the hypothetical invisible dragons. It's possible that Wesley Westley was just saying three specific things since he'd seen three so far, and that the one Buttercup hadn;t seen was just a myth in case they didn't actually encounter it, but it ''really'' sounded like the [[RuleOfThree Three]] [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Dangers of the Fireswamp]] were a common legend (especially with Buttercup bringing up the [=ROUSes=]).



** Although, this completely misses an important detail- Wesley is not infallible. He could have easily just not known and been arrogant.

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** Although, this completely misses an important detail- Wesley Westley is not infallible. He could have easily just not known and been arrogant.
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** Watch the movie again. Shortly after Inigo and Fezzik discuss the 30 guards, there is a scene where Humperdinck demands that the number of guards be doubled, as part of his fake efforts to protect Buttercup's life.
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** Don't forget about Roberts' crew(s) themselves - the way pirates operate is that they go out, score a lot of loot, then immediately go to the nearest port and blow it all on booze and hookers (since pirates tend to die young, there's no sense saving it). The pirates could come into town with a big score, getting everyone attention by tossing money around, then brag that they're part of the Dread Pirate Roberts' crew and they just slaughtered a whole mess of traders, because their fearsome captain leaves no survivors. True or not, it'd get people talking.
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* After Fezzik revives Inigo, he tells him that the castle gate is guarded by thirty men. "How many could you handle?" Inigo asks. "I don't think more than ten." Inigo then counts on his fingers to figure out that that leaves 20 for himself. Yet later, when Inigo, Fezzik and Westley scout the castle gate, Inigo looks over the wall and says, almost immediately, that it's guarded by ''sixty'' men.
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** Although, this completely misses an important detail- Wesley is not infallible. He could have easily just not known and been arrogant.
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***** ''[[FridgeBrilliance ZING!!!]]''
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** "The man in black was after the woman we captured... the prince, who I hate anyway, is marrying the woman we captured... someone is screaming so loudly I can hear it froim here... It must be that the man in black is heartbroken that his love is marrying the prince! We can use this to our advantage!" This is the sort of conclusion he jumps to ''all the time''. Remember, Wesley was screaming ''because he was hooked up to a machine that was so painful it took off fifty years of his life in one go''. It's coincidence that Inigo happened to be right about the man in black's relation to Buttercup. People tend to know things they shouldn't all the time in this movie.

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** "The man in black was after the woman we captured... the prince, who I hate anyway, is marrying the woman we captured... someone is screaming so loudly I can hear it froim from here... It must be that the man in black is heartbroken that his love is marrying the prince! We can use this to our advantage!" This is the sort of conclusion he jumps to ''all the time''. Remember, Wesley was screaming ''because he was hooked up to a machine that was so painful it took off fifty years of his life in one go''. It's coincidence that Inigo happened to be right about the man in black's relation to Buttercup. People tend to know things they shouldn't all the time in this movie.

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** In the book, it's suggested that Inigo is undone by his overconfidence. As he is waiting for Westley to climb the cliff, before offering to help him up, he asks God to give him a true challenge and to make this Man in Black a master worthy of his skills. He then starts out fighting with his weak hand (the left one), thinking this will make the fight more fair. Inigo is thrown off-balance psychologically and begins to lose after he discovers that not only is The Man in Black a worthy opponent who can match him technique for technique but he also does the same hand-switching trick to challenge himself ("I'm not left-handed either.") In short, Inigo loses not because Westley is better but because of [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Pride Hubris]].
** Inigo is using a sword perfectly crafted for a six fingered man. He has only the normal five. [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliance]]

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** In the book, it's suggested that Inigo is undone by his overconfidence. As he is waiting for Westley to climb the cliff, before offering to help him up, he asks God to give him a true challenge and to make this Man in Black a master worthy of his skills. He then starts out fighting with his weak hand (the left one), thinking this will make the fight more fair. Inigo is thrown off-balance psychologically and begins to lose after he discovers that not only is The Man in Black a worthy opponent who can match him technique for technique but he also does the same hand-switching trick to challenge himself ("I'm not left-handed either.") In short, Inigo loses not because Westley is better but because of [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Pride [[{{Pride}} Hubris]].
** Inigo is using a sword perfectly crafted for a six fingered man. He has only the normal five. [[FridgeBrilliance Fridge Brilliance]]FridgeBrilliance.



** First, anyone who knows anything about fighting or any other human skill knows that there's no law of the universe stating that it's automatically impossible to beat someone with more training and experience than you. It's unlikely, but it does happen. Other factors influence the outcome of a fight, a whole shitload of them, including inherent skill; the fighters' current physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual conditions; luck; split second decisions and other matters of simple human falliblity; the particular combination of fighting styles between the fighters; the conditions of the environment, etc. Second, Inigo had just said that he's been spending more time in pursuit than in swordfighting studies.

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** First, anyone who knows anything about fighting or any other human skill knows that there's no law of the universe stating that it's automatically impossible to beat someone with more training and experience than you. It's unlikely, but it does happen. Other factors influence the outcome of a fight, a whole shitload of them, including inherent skill; the fighters' current physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual conditions; luck; split second decisions and other matters of simple human falliblity; fallibility; the particular combination of fighting styles between the fighters; the conditions of the environment, etc. Second, Inigo had just said that he's been spending more time in pursuit than in swordfighting studies.


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** Or, if you'd like, Buttercup lost that many years off her life out of her own grief. "A part of me ''died'' that day!" anyone?


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** Mm...intentional anachronisms, first off. Second, if you look at some of the things, it does look like an...interesting world, the only way to explain everything is that it's an AU. Therefore, it is possible that social stuff moved forward quicker. Alternatively, Westley's even better than one would think, and a specific law was made in this timeline for ''noble''women so they could not be forced into marriage. Buttercup became Princess Buttercup, so either she has the right or she's common and can't marry him anyway. [[WildMassGuessing But I digress.]]


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** They spent their adolescence together. Anyway, Buttercup must have ''something'' going on in her head if she can whip off that True Love speech [[hottip:"You can't hurt me.: Westley and I are joined by the bonds of love. And you cannot track that, not with a thousand bloodhounds. And you cannot break it, not with a thousand swords. And when I say you are a coward, that is only because you are the slimiest weakling ever to crawl the earth."]] on the spur of the moment.
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** The heart wants what the heart wants, and True Love is blind.
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*** The book actually makes this slightly more confusing; Inigo travels to become a Master in swordfighting by basically learning from every Master he could find. He returns to Spain to find Yeste, a friend of his father's who helped him first learn the sword. Yeste tests him and decides that he is better than a Master; he is a Wizard. However, as Inigo tries to find the six-fingered man, not only does he become a heavy drinker, he becomes bored of fencing. Hence Westley, who has more on the line, has been practicing more intently and is probably less rusty than Inigo wins.
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** Westley is progressive.
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* Why does Westley love Buttercup? She wasn't nice to him when they met, she's dumb as a doornail, she doesn't have any real personality at all; really the only thing going for her is that she's pretty. There doesn't seem to be anything to love but a pretty face. Westley is smart, handsome, charming, daring, athletic and really deserves better. Is he just shallow?
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* I'm going to have to get it out of my system. I know that the setting is fictional and the year undefined, but the legal requirement for both parties to say "I do" was championed by Queen Victoria in the 1800s to combat sham marriages which were being used as a cover for selling women into slavery.
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*** Indeed. All Westley says is, "All right. Where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right... and who is dead." He never says only one cup is poisoned. Vizzini ''assumes'' that's the case.
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**** Why would Westley acknowledge anything Vizzini says as true? He just sits there and lets Vizzini rant without interruption for a long time; it wouldn't serve any purpose to correct him, except to spoil the show. He's mostly finding Vizzini's verbal thrashing to be amusing.


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*** Now hold on there. He never said only ONE cup was poisoned. Vizzini could at any time have [[TakeAThirdOption refused to play the game]]; after all, he had the upper hand.

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