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*Story perspective, Why did they decide to make The Main Character (Nick) A Soldier? In most adaptations (heck most works) featuring A Mummy The protagonists are usually Archeologists, which makes sense since those are the kind of people you'd expect to be searching around tombs. But with Nick the only reason I can think why they made him into A marine is to make him more like an action star, but the MC of the 1999 Mummy film and it's sequels was A pretty badass dude (Granted He's more of A treasure hunter) and that's not even getting into some famous archeologists in fiction (Like Indiana Jones or Lara Croft). Plus the fact the dude hunts for treasure anyways, kinda makes him hard to sympathize by description alone. "A Sergeant in the Army disobeys orders and possibly abandons his fellow soldiers (some of whom may be under his own command) just so He can track down some treasure for personal profit." with A description like that something tells Me that the Writers where intentionally trying to get people to root for Ahmanet.
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** Technically this is just faulty research. In ancient Egypt at the death of a king there was 24 hours to install a successor in order to maintain cosmic order. A male heir would be the first choice but there are plenty of recorded instances where the would be king is too young and a woman, either a sister or mother, is assigned the role of co-regent to rule in their place until they come of age. It's a good deal for a time, but Ahmenet clearly wanted a long term gig and American audiences aren't generally open enough to concepts of polyamory, let alone ancient practices of marital incest. If she weren't a straight up psycho she WOULD have just married him when he came of age, and maybe just slowly poisoned him amd make him sickly, to hold on to the power. But then the rest of her family would pretty much ensure she never keeps the power. Murder it is.
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** And this will continue to play out until Universal figures out which audience are they really trying to attract. Given the way the Franchise/UniversalHorror films originally took themselves and the way the MarvelCinematicUniverse takes themselves are rather different, it really shouldn't be surprising they will be at odds.

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** And this will continue to play out until Universal figures out which audience are they really trying to attract. Given the way the Franchise/UniversalHorror films originally took themselves and the way the MarvelCinematicUniverse Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse takes themselves are rather different, it really shouldn't be surprising they will be at odds.
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** And this will continue to play out until Universal figures out which audience are they really trying to attract. Given the way the UniversalHorror films originally took themselves and the way the MarvelCinematicUniverse takes themselves are rather different, it really shouldn't be surprising they will be at odds.

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** And this will continue to play out until Universal figures out which audience are they really trying to attract. Given the way the UniversalHorror Franchise/UniversalHorror films originally took themselves and the way the MarvelCinematicUniverse takes themselves are rather different, it really shouldn't be surprising they will be at odds.



* More direct question to the YMMV, while I get Vosloo's Imhotep is cool and iconic, but when talking about UniversalHorror is it not Kharis who most people think of as the Mummy? The bandaged up classic slow walking mummy? Not Karloff's Im-Ho-Tep or Vosloo's Imhotep? It just seems weird that when talking about the iconic Universal mummy on several bullets, Kharis' name is nowhere.

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* More direct question to the YMMV, while I get Vosloo's Imhotep is cool and iconic, but when talking about UniversalHorror Franchise/UniversalHorror is it not Kharis who most people think of as the Mummy? The bandaged up classic slow walking mummy? Not Karloff's Im-Ho-Tep or Vosloo's Imhotep? It just seems weird that when talking about the iconic Universal mummy on several bullets, Kharis' name is nowhere.
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** Honestly? Kharis' Mummy isn't that memorable. Karloff's was the first notable mummy, one of the few that actually struck fear into people's hearts. Sure, he was slow, but the threat he possessed of being able to bring back the dead is enough. As for Vosloo, he had the power of the plagues on his side and was unkillable! Kharis' Mummy is just an amalgamation of abilities and motives, so the audience doesn't really know ''what'' to be afraid of!

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** Honestly? Kharis' Mummy isn't that memorable. Karloff's was the first notable mummy, one of the few that actually struck fear into people's hearts. Sure, he was slow, but the threat he possessed of being able to bring back the dead is enough. As for Vosloo, he had the power of the plagues on his side and was unkillable! Kharis' Mummy is just an amalgamation of abilities and motives, so the audience doesn't really know ''what'' to be afraid of!of!
** At this point it feels like Kharis as a character hasn't stuck to the non-horror consciousness as much as some Universal fans may have liked. Let's also face fact that just like with the comic movies there are whole swashes of people eating them up that haven't kept up with comics since they were teenagers, there are also probably plenty of people talking about movies like the Mummy and haven't actually followed all their movies. I wouldn't be surprised if some people just thought the mummy in the Mummy series has always been Imhotep. The idea that some of us split off Karloff and that there ever was a Kharis may be over a part of the audience's head.
** Test question in relation to this: How many people actually recognized Jenny's last name was a reference to a character in The Mummy's Curse?
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** Minor point, but ''it's not the Book of the Dead''. The Book of the Dead was black, and had an embossed scarab in the center of the lock. The Book seen in the movie is clearly made of gold, and has an Eye of Ra/Horus engraved in the center of the lock - making it ''The Book of Amun-Ra''.
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* More direct question to the YMMV, while I get Vosloo's Imhotep is cool and iconic, but when talking about UniversalHorror is it not Kharis who most people think of as the Mummy? The bandaged up classic slow walking mummy? Not Karloff's Im-Ho-Tep or Vosloo's Imhotep? It just seems weird that when talking about the iconic Universal mummy on several bullets, Kharis' name is nowhere.

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* More direct question to the YMMV, while I get Vosloo's Imhotep is cool and iconic, but when talking about UniversalHorror is it not Kharis who most people think of as the Mummy? The bandaged up classic slow walking mummy? Not Karloff's Im-Ho-Tep or Vosloo's Imhotep? It just seems weird that when talking about the iconic Universal mummy on several bullets, Kharis' name is nowhere.nowhere.
** Honestly? Kharis' Mummy isn't that memorable. Karloff's was the first notable mummy, one of the few that actually struck fear into people's hearts. Sure, he was slow, but the threat he possessed of being able to bring back the dead is enough. As for Vosloo, he had the power of the plagues on his side and was unkillable! Kharis' Mummy is just an amalgamation of abilities and motives, so the audience doesn't really know ''what'' to be afraid of!

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** I guess someone ought to say it, who is this series really aimed at? That kind of thinking sounds like one would expect everyone to take the very loose and not pre-planned Universal Studios history of monsters as a big continuity, how many horror genre fans really want that level of overthinking? Just pointing out many of the bigger "universes" and crossovers in the horror and monster genres either were CanonWedling later on or just mashed things together leaving serious world building out the window. In this case they tossed in something from the previous mummy series, I don't really think it's anything but a nice little reference. I know this troper speaks for himself and I'm sure i'm not alone here because if this "Dark Universe" is going to emulate the comic book movies in the overplanning, I see a lot of it's potential audience checking out early.

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** I guess someone ought to say it, who is think this series really aimed at? That kind of thinking sounds like is going to be one would expect everyone to take the very loose and not pre-planned Universal Studios history of monsters as a big continuity, how many horror genre fans really want that level of overthinking? Just pointing out many of the bigger "universes" and crossovers in issues where the horror fans and monster genres either were CanonWedling later on or the modern universe fans are going to be at odds. Horror reboots are used to just mashed tossing in things together leaving serious world building out the window. In this case they tossed in something from the previous mummy series, to their older incarnations and play offs to other films as just that. Not clever little bits we want answers too. As a result I don't really think it's anything but a nice little reference. I know this troper speaks for himself and I'm sure i'm not alone here because if this "Dark Universe" is too many of those fans are going to emulate want explanations why the comic book movies in of the overplanning, I see dead is there, heck nor any specific explanations why there's also a lot of it's potential vampire skull and a gillman hand in there other than the place hunts monsters, the end.
** And this will continue to play out until Universal figures out which
audience checking out early.are they really trying to attract. Given the way the UniversalHorror films originally took themselves and the way the MarvelCinematicUniverse takes themselves are rather different, it really shouldn't be surprising they will be at odds.

* More direct question to the YMMV, while I get Vosloo's Imhotep is cool and iconic, but when talking about UniversalHorror is it not Kharis who most people think of as the Mummy? The bandaged up classic slow walking mummy? Not Karloff's Im-Ho-Tep or Vosloo's Imhotep? It just seems weird that when talking about the iconic Universal mummy on several bullets, Kharis' name is nowhere.
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* At one point in this movie, we see the Book of the Dead from the 1999 Mummy movie. So...I guess it means I was right all along, and "Dark Universe" is simply the name given to the until-now-unnamed multiverse of the Universal Monsters. And if I'm wrong...how can the Book of the Dead be here?

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* At one point in this movie, we see the Book of the Dead from the 1999 Mummy movie. So...I guess it means I was right all along, and "Dark Universe" is simply the name given to the until-now-unnamed multiverse of the Universal Monsters. And if I'm wrong...how can the Book of the Dead be here?here?
** I guess someone ought to say it, who is this series really aimed at? That kind of thinking sounds like one would expect everyone to take the very loose and not pre-planned Universal Studios history of monsters as a big continuity, how many horror genre fans really want that level of overthinking? Just pointing out many of the bigger "universes" and crossovers in the horror and monster genres either were CanonWedling later on or just mashed things together leaving serious world building out the window. In this case they tossed in something from the previous mummy series, I don't really think it's anything but a nice little reference. I know this troper speaks for himself and I'm sure i'm not alone here because if this "Dark Universe" is going to emulate the comic book movies in the overplanning, I see a lot of it's potential audience checking out early.
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** 1) There is a possibility that she was already in a committed relationship by the time her brother was born. The guy she first tried to summon Set into was implied to be her lover. 2) Depending on how long her father would have lived, he could have prepared her brother to rule well enough to not need/listen to Ahmanet's guidance. 3) There is also a chance he could have become pharaoh Joffrey B. Mk II which opens so many possible ways for Ahmanet's plans to go wrong. 4) Marrying her brother would only give her an imitation of what she was promised and she would likely need to constantly scheme to remain the second most important person in Egypt. Set, at least, seemed to offer her to be the second most important person in the world+personal benefits. 5) If she succeeded, she would have immediately become queen as opposed to some time later.

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** 1) There is a possibility that she was already in a committed relationship by the time her brother was born. The guy she first tried to summon Set into was implied to be her lover. 2) Depending on how long her father would have lived, he could have prepared her brother to rule well enough to not need/listen to Ahmanet's guidance. 3) There is also a chance he could have become pharaoh Joffrey B. Mk II which opens so many possible ways for Ahmanet's plans to go wrong. 4) Marrying her brother would only give her an imitation of what she was promised and she would likely need to constantly scheme to remain the second most important person in Egypt. Set, at least, seemed to offer her to be the second most important person in the world+personal benefits. 5) If she succeeded, she would have immediately become queen as opposed to some time later.later.
*At one point in this movie, we see the Book of the Dead from the 1999 Mummy movie. So...I guess it means I was right all along, and "Dark Universe" is simply the name given to the until-now-unnamed multiverse of the Universal Monsters. And if I'm wrong...how can the Book of the Dead be here?
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** It seems like it did [[spoiler: with the fact that Nick's irises splitted into two, but Nick managed to overcome it through HeroicWillpower. IMO pretty weak display of power for the god of storms and evil.]]

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** It seems like it did [[spoiler: with the fact that Nick's irises splitted split into two, but Nick he managed to overcome it through HeroicWillpower. IMO pretty weak display of power for the god of storms and evil.]]



*** Nope, [[spoiler:he stabbed himself right in the craw.]]

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*** Nope, [[spoiler:he [[spoiler: it wasn't the knee, but it wasn't his heart either; he stabbed himself right in the craw.]]
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*** Nope, he stabbed himself right in the craw.

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*** Nope, he [[spoiler:he stabbed himself right in the craw. craw.]]
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**** Nope, he stabbed himself right in the craw.
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*** Also, Nick managed [[spoiler: to crack the stone ''before'' stabbing himself with the knife - perhaps that's weakened Set's hold.]]

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* Was it absolutely necessary for Ahmanet to kill her half-brother? As his sister she would most presumably become his wife and, being 20+ his senior, the true power behind the throne by sheer experience. She has already been prepared to be a queen after all. By allying herself with Seth and murdering her whole family (in the most obvious way possible) she actually lost everything - her father, the throne, and her soul.

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**** While Ahmanet did not need Set to kill her family, she needed him to survive (in a way) the attempt. Without Set she would have been tortured and killed, but by becoming his undead servant/priestess/lover she gained a second chance at gaining her throne. And frankly, if she wanted to kill her family, why not to gain from it some very useful powers, wicked makeover, cool-looking knife, immortality and a god's favor as well ?
* Was it absolutely necessary for Ahmanet to kill her half-brother? As his sister she would most presumably become his wife and, being 20+ his senior, the true power behind the throne by sheer experience. She has already been prepared to be a queen after all. By allying herself with Seth and murdering her whole family (in the most obvious way possible) she actually lost everything - her father, the throne, and her soul.soul.
** 1) There is a possibility that she was already in a committed relationship by the time her brother was born. The guy she first tried to summon Set into was implied to be her lover. 2) Depending on how long her father would have lived, he could have prepared her brother to rule well enough to not need/listen to Ahmanet's guidance. 3) There is also a chance he could have become pharaoh Joffrey B. Mk II which opens so many possible ways for Ahmanet's plans to go wrong. 4) Marrying her brother would only give her an imitation of what she was promised and she would likely need to constantly scheme to remain the second most important person in Egypt. Set, at least, seemed to offer her to be the second most important person in the world+personal benefits. 5) If she succeeded, she would have immediately become queen as opposed to some time later.
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* Was it absolutely necessary for Ahmanet to kill her half-brother? As his sister she would most presumably become his wife and, being 20+ his senior, the true power behind the throne by sheer experience. She has already been prepared to be a queen after all. By allying herself with Seth and murdering her whole family (in the most obvious way possible) she actually lost everything - her soul, the throne, and her humanity.

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* Was it absolutely necessary for Ahmanet to kill her half-brother? As his sister she would most presumably become his wife and, being 20+ his senior, the true power behind the throne by sheer experience. She has already been prepared to be a queen after all. By allying herself with Seth and murdering her whole family (in the most obvious way possible) she actually lost everything - her soul, father, the throne, and her humanity.soul.
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* Was it absolutely necessary for Ahmanet to kill her half-brother? As his sister she would most presumably become his wife and, being 20+ his senior, the true power behind the throne by sheer experience. She has already been prepared to be a queen after all. By allying herself with Seth and murdering her whole family (in the most obvious way possible) she actually lost everything - her soul, the throne, and her humanity. Not to mention that unleashing the God of Evil upon the world is generally not a good idea altogether!

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* Was it absolutely necessary for Ahmanet to kill her half-brother? As his sister she would most presumably become his wife and, being 20+ his senior, the true power behind the throne by sheer experience. She has already been prepared to be a queen after all. By allying herself with Seth and murdering her whole family (in the most obvious way possible) she actually lost everything - her soul, the throne, and her humanity. Not to mention that unleashing the God of Evil upon the world is generally not a good idea altogether!
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*** The most feared God in Egyptian Mythology would have been Apep/Apophis, while Set (who DID do some extremely douchy things in their mythology) is noted in the myths for defending Ra and his entourage from the Apep/Apophis on a daily basis. However, as Set is most famous for slaying his brother Osiris (and in later myths, trying to defeat his nephew Horus), the slaying-of-family-members fits a nice theme.

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*** The most feared God in Egyptian Mythology would have been Apep/Apophis, while Set (who DID do some extremely douchy things in their mythology) is noted in the myths for defending Ra and his entourage from the Apep/Apophis on a daily basis. However, as Set is most famous for slaying his brother Osiris (and in later myths, trying to defeat his nephew Horus), the slaying-of-family-members fits a nice theme.theme.
* Was it absolutely necessary for Ahmanet to kill her half-brother? As his sister she would most presumably become his wife and, being 20+ his senior, the true power behind the throne by sheer experience. She has already been prepared to be a queen after all. By allying herself with Seth and murdering her whole family (in the most obvious way possible) she actually lost everything - her soul, the throne, and her humanity. Not to mention that unleashing the God of Evil upon the world is generally not a good idea altogether!
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*** A lot of good it did her, huh?

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*** A lot of good it did her, huh?huh?
*** The most feared God in Egyptian Mythology would have been Apep/Apophis, while Set (who DID do some extremely douchy things in their mythology) is noted in the myths for defending Ra and his entourage from the Apep/Apophis on a daily basis. However, as Set is most famous for slaying his brother Osiris (and in later myths, trying to defeat his nephew Horus), the slaying-of-family-members fits a nice theme.
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** If you're going to commit treason, it's a good idea to have the most feared God in Egyptian Mythology in your corner.

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** If you're going to commit treason, it's a good idea to have the most feared God in Egyptian Mythology in your corner.corner.
***A lot of good it did her, huh?
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* Why did Ahmanet even need Set to murder her family? All she ends up doing is slitting their throats, did she really need to call the "God of Death" and make a deal with him in order to do so? Was she like "Oh darn, I don't have a knife, maybe I should ask Set if he has one."

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* Why did Ahmanet even need Set to murder her family? All she ends up doing is slitting their throats, did she really need to call the "God of Death" and make a deal with him in order to do so? Was she like "Oh darn, I don't have a knife, maybe I should ask Set if he has one.""
** If you're going to commit treason, it's a good idea to have the most feared God in Egyptian Mythology in your corner.
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*** Ahmanet did seem to try very hard to get him to give himself to her (and to Seth) willingly. maybe,[[spoiler: by stabbing himself (i.e: ''choosing'' himself) for his own altruistic reasons, he somehow soiled the ceremony.]] Also, if I am not mistaken, [[spoiler: Nick stabbed himself in the knee instead of through the heart]], which is way too symbolic to be meaningless.

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*** Ahmanet did seem to try very hard to get him to give himself to her (and to Seth) willingly. maybe,[[spoiler: by stabbing himself (i.e: ''choosing'' himself) for his own altruistic reasons, he somehow soiled the ceremony.]] Also, if I am not mistaken, [[spoiler: Nick stabbed himself in the knee instead of through the heart]], which is way too symbolic to be meaningless.meaningless.
*Why did Ahmanet even need Set to murder her family? All she ends up doing is slitting their throats, did she really need to call the "God of Death" and make a deal with him in order to do so? Was she like "Oh darn, I don't have a knife, maybe I should ask Set if he has one."
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*** Ahmanet did seem to try very hard to get him to give himself to her (and to Seth) willingly. maybe,[[spoiler: by stabbing himself (i.e: ''choosing'' himself) for his own altruistic reasons, he somehow soiled the ceremony.]]

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*** Ahmanet did seem to try very hard to get him to give himself to her (and to Seth) willingly. maybe,[[spoiler: by stabbing himself (i.e: ''choosing'' himself) for his own altruistic reasons, he somehow soiled the ceremony.]]]] Also, if I am not mistaken, [[spoiler: Nick stabbed himself in the knee instead of through the heart]], which is way too symbolic to be meaningless.
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*** Ahmanet did seem to try very hard to get him to give himself to her (and to Seth) willingly. [[spoiler: maybe, by stabbing himself (i.e: ''choosing'' himself) for his own altruistic reasons, he somehow soiled the ceremony.]]

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*** Ahmanet did seem to try very hard to get him to give himself to her (and to Seth) willingly. [[spoiler: maybe, maybe,[[spoiler: by stabbing himself (i.e: ''choosing'' himself) for his own altruistic reasons, he somehow soiled the ceremony.]]
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** It seems like it did [[spoiler: with the fact that Nick's irises splitted into two, but Nick managed to overcome it through HeroicWillpower. IMO pretty weak display of power for the god of storms and evil.]]

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** It seems like it did [[spoiler: with the fact that Nick's irises splitted into two, but Nick managed to overcome it through HeroicWillpower. IMO pretty weak display of power for the god of storms and evil.]]
*** Ahmanet did seem to try very hard to get him to give himself to her (and to Seth) willingly. [[spoiler: maybe, by stabbing himself (i.e: ''choosing'' himself) for his own altruistic reasons, he somehow soiled the ceremony.
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* Why didn't [[spoiler:Nick stabbing himself with the danger cause him to be taken over by Set? Even Princess Ahmanet seemed concerned about him stabbing himself.]]

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** There wasn't enough time to switch driver while Princess Ahmanet was in front of them.
* Why didn't [[spoiler:Nick stabbing himself with the danger dagger cause him to be taken over by Set? Even Princess Ahmanet seemed concerned about him stabbing himself.]]
** It seems like it did [[spoiler: with the fact that Nick's irises splitted into two, but Nick managed to overcome it through HeroicWillpower. IMO pretty weak display of power for the god of storms and evil.
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* Why couldn't Jenny drive the ambulance?

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** Presumedly, she has a connection to it since she may have created it for the ritual. Or it's just one of the magical abilities she gained.
* Why couldn't Jenny drive the ambulance?ambulance?
* Why didn't [[spoiler:Nick stabbing himself with the danger cause him to be taken over by Set? Even Princess Ahmanet seemed concerned about him stabbing himself.]]
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* How did Ahmanet, buried 5,000 years ago, know where the dagger was hidden by Crusaders 900 years ago?

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* How did Ahmanet, buried 5,000 years ago, know where the dagger was hidden by Crusaders 900 years ago?ago?
* Why couldn't Jenny drive the ambulance?
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