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*The one who was obsessed with killing him (and the one in charge of that operation) was Agent Smith, who was increasingly going off the reservation. He wasn't supposed to be trying to kill Neo in the first place.
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**They've only been fighting the machines since the war started - the "100 years" figure isn't the time since 1999, it's the time since the machine uprising. In fact, canonically the machine uprising happened sometime around 2139, although that wasn't established until much later.
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Ok, has anyone questioned what the "SYSTEM FAILURE" at the end of the first movie meant? Is it to symbolize that the A.I.'s failed their mission? And who was the guy talking at the end, and what did it mean? Seriously, I didn't get that.
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** Personally, I took that as Neo talking to the Machine's leadership. It's a bookend to the opening scene with Trinity being traced, which appears to be the Machine's tracking system, and the SYSTEM FAILURE is Neo counteracting it. I get the impression from his dialog, that he's going to start showing the people of the system, that it is a system, but that he's willing to form a dialog with the Machines afterwards. "Where we go from there, is a choice I leave to you".
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* Seriously, what do they do? There seems to be very little information over what they actually do within the Matrix, other than look for and extract other possible red-pills, gun down people, and blow things up.
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Ok, has anyone questioned what the "SYSTEM FAILURE" at the end of the first movie meant? Is it to symbolize that the A.I.'s failed their mission? And who was the guy talking at the end, and what did it mean? Seriously, I didn't get that.
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**Real life hackers can very young, so it's perfectly possible that Trinity gained that notoriety in her early teenage years.
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Morpheus apologizes to Neo and mentions that they have a rule to not redpill adults and he's a special case, being The One and all. But it seems that Trinity was an established hacker before Morpheus found her and Cypher seems to be unhappy because of being redpilled in adulthood. Why so many rule breaks?
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Morpheus apologizes to Neo and mentions that they have a rule to not redpill adults and he's a special case, being The One and all. But it seems that Trinity was an established hacker before Morpheus found her and Cypher seems to be unhappy because of being redpilled in adulthood. Why so many rule breaks?
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***It's very directly hinted that Cipher was already an informant for the agents by this point. Hence the line "the informant is real. We have the name of their next target" Morpheus also directly stated that if the agents knew what he knew, then Neo would be dead.
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* There is a percentage of people who will regardless reject the simulation and try to escape it. In the current version of The Matrix they become criminals and hackers as a result until they go crazy or get pulled out by Zion. Techinically they are still at war so the machines see these renegades as a threat. Add to that the still existing trauma of being ruthlessly persecuted by humanity until they went to war and nearly wiped them out that many of the older machines likely still hold and it becomes clear. At their current concensus any free human not in their system of control is a threat, if humans know the truth some would inevitably try to free themselves, and as a result the humans can't know.
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****In the first Matrix, we see the Neb evade a group of squiddies by powering down and being quiet. The poor cuttlefish, little satelite-dish-thingy and all, doesn't see a thing. So in a way, the question answers itself; how do they avoid detection after firing their EMP? Well, there's nothing left to detect. All ship systems are dead. Anybody caught in the blast would have no way of alerting the other machines as to what happened. The sentinels would have to be able to determine the epicenter of the blast somehow and then assume there's something worth spending a lot of time on at that spot by the time they get there.
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**** Basically the discussion here is about programming paradigms. Well, kind of. In a nutshell, when writing clean, maintainable code, we human beings in the real world like a clean separation between the different components. We like to keep our code for displaying graphics separate from our code for interpreting keyboard commands. Jostling them all together means that changing your input interpretation can create graphics bugs. This is a simplified example, and you usually wouldn't be in danger of this on a project. But think about something like the algorithm that tries to figure out what ad to show you; those develop behaviors with spontenaity. An algorithm designed to sell tickets to Las Vegas will accidentally diagnose the onset of manic episodes. An algorithm designed to sell baby clothes will accidentally become a pregnancy test. This is the closest that human programmers have come to imitating intelligence and it has no clean, internal separation. Therefore, I totally buy that a sentient program would exist as a big jumbled up mess of code and data inextricably intertwined. Visual display, rules for physical interaction, personality, speech, all the consequence of an algorithm that has been instructed to achieve a given outcome and no restrictions on how to achieve it. The Architect needs a bullet-proof assassin, so it creates something with the fastes possible muscles and most flexible spinal column rather than attempting the much tougher route of impenetrable skin. This approach is the most plausible way humanity could have created a full fledged intelligence early in this century. And I agree its totally logic-defying if you think of hand-coded projects using reasonable paradigms like functional, object oriented, declarative, and heck probably some code in the Matrix is that way.
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*** They have a great deal of freedom, but it all exists within the "fictional" rules of the world within the Matrix; that's the key thing that makes the Agents incredibly dangerous but defeatable by the One. Agents have a finite number of bullets in their guns because that's how many bullets that gun holds within the rules of the Matrix. They can't see through walls because, in the context of the Matrix, they have human eyes, which can't see through opaque walls. They have to rely on mostly conventional sources of communication - when Smith takes off his earpiece, he is not informed of Neo and Trinity's attack on the building, because in the Matrix, you aren't magically aware of things you aren't told out loud or read. They're extremely strong and thus can jump far, but cannot fly because that's not physically possible for a human-form being to do. They're extremely agile, and thus can dodge bullets, but only to a certain point - a point-blank round to the head from Trinity or the rapid-fire of a minigun can hit them.
They have specific advantages and "cheat codes" to use to their advantage, but they still operate within a ruleset. They cannot teleport, but they can hop to any bluepill in the area, which they utilize to their advantage in the final chase scene (refreshing their bullet count each time). They can be informed when bluepills see something outrageously strange - which is how Smith finds out that Neo and Trinity are in the subway station; a bum sees Morpheus dissolve in front of his eyes. They have sci-fi tracking bugs, but they have to physically restrain Neo and implant it inside him; they cannot simply patch Neo's software to track him. And they can, apparently, request major intervention in the Matrix code, such as bricking the walls of the building, but this is such a major event the whole Matrix glitches back several seconds, causing deja vu events. This is the thing about the Agents, which makes them an interesting foe: they are part of the faction that makes the rules, and yet they are the ones most bound to them.
They have specific advantages and "cheat codes" to use to their advantage, but they still operate within a ruleset. They cannot teleport, but they can hop to any bluepill in the area, which they utilize to their advantage in the final chase scene (refreshing their bullet count each time). They can be informed when bluepills see something outrageously strange - which is how Smith finds out that Neo and Trinity are in the subway station; a bum sees Morpheus dissolve in front of his eyes. They have sci-fi tracking bugs, but they have to physically restrain Neo and implant it inside him; they cannot simply patch Neo's software to track him. And they can, apparently, request major intervention in the Matrix code, such as bricking the walls of the building, but this is such a major event the whole Matrix glitches back several seconds, causing deja vu events. This is the thing about the Agents, which makes them an interesting foe: they are part of the faction that makes the rules, and yet they are the ones most bound to them.
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*** They have a great deal of freedom, but it all exists within the "fictional" rules of the world within the Matrix; that's the key thing that makes the Agents incredibly dangerous but defeatable by the One. Agents have a finite number of bullets in their guns because that's how many bullets that gun holds within the rules of the Matrix. They can't see through walls because, in the context of the Matrix, they have human eyes, which can't see through opaque walls. They have to rely on mostly conventional sources of communication - when Smith takes off his earpiece, he is not informed of Neo and Trinity's attack on the building, because in the Matrix, you aren't magically aware of things you aren't told out loud or read. They're extremely strong and thus can jump far, but cannot fly because that's not physically possible for a human-form being to do. They're extremely agile, and thus can dodge bullets, but only to a certain point - a point-blank round to the head from Trinity or the rapid-fire of a minigun can hit them.
them. They have specific advantages and "cheat codes" to use to their advantage, but they still operate within a ruleset. They cannot teleport, but they can hop to any bluepill in the area, which they utilize to their advantage in the final chase scene (refreshing their bullet count each time). They can be informed when bluepills see something outrageously strange - which is how Smith finds out that Neo and Trinity are in the subway station; a bum sees Morpheus dissolve in front of his eyes. They have sci-fi tracking bugs, but they have to physically restrain Neo and implant it inside him; they cannot simply patch Neo's software to track him. And they can, apparently, request major intervention in the Matrix code, such as bricking the walls of the building, but this is such a major event the whole Matrix glitches back several seconds, causing deja vu events. This is the thing about the Agents, which makes them an interesting foe: they are part of the faction that makes the rules, and yet they are the ones most bound to them.
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*** They have a great deal of freedom, but it all exists within the "fictional" rules of the world within the Matrix; that's the key thing that makes the Agents incredibly dangerous but defeatable by the One. Agents have a finite number of bullets in their guns because that's how many bullets that gun holds within the rules of the Matrix. They can't see through walls because, in the context of the Matrix, they have human eyes, which can't see through opaque walls. They have to rely on mostly conventional sources of communication - when Smith takes off his earpiece, he is not informed of Neo and Trinity's attack on the building, because in the Matrix, you aren't magically aware of things you aren't told out loud or read. They're extremely strong and thus can jump far, but cannot fly because that's not physically possible for a human-form being to do. They're extremely agile, and thus can dodge bullets, but only to a certain point - a point-blank round to the head from Trinity or the rapid-fire of a minigun can hit them.
They have specific advantages and "cheat codes" to use to their advantage, but they still operate within a ruleset. They cannot teleport, but they can hop to any bluepill in the area, which they utilize to their advantage in the final chase scene (refreshing their bullet count each time). They can be informed when bluepills see something outrageously strange - which is how Smith finds out that Neo and Trinity are in the subway station; a bum sees Morpheus dissolve in front of his eyes. They have sci-fi tracking bugs, but they have to physically restrain Neo and implant it inside him; they cannot simply patch Neo's software to track him. And they can, apparently, request major intervention in the Matrix code, such as bricking the walls of the building, but this is such a major event the whole Matrix glitches back several seconds, causing deja vu events. This is the thing about the Agents, which makes them an interesting foe: they are part of the faction that makes the rules, and yet they are the ones most bound to them.
They have specific advantages and "cheat codes" to use to their advantage, but they still operate within a ruleset. They cannot teleport, but they can hop to any bluepill in the area, which they utilize to their advantage in the final chase scene (refreshing their bullet count each time). They can be informed when bluepills see something outrageously strange - which is how Smith finds out that Neo and Trinity are in the subway station; a bum sees Morpheus dissolve in front of his eyes. They have sci-fi tracking bugs, but they have to physically restrain Neo and implant it inside him; they cannot simply patch Neo's software to track him. And they can, apparently, request major intervention in the Matrix code, such as bricking the walls of the building, but this is such a major event the whole Matrix glitches back several seconds, causing deja vu events. This is the thing about the Agents, which makes them an interesting foe: they are part of the faction that makes the rules, and yet they are the ones most bound to them.
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** Because she's been always there. Morpheus outright says it so, and according to the sequels she most likely was there to guide the very first zionites who were chosen at the beginning of each Matrix cycle. Her whole purpose is to understand how humans think and use that knowledge to gain their trust, and paraphrasing the Architect, clearly she's become become exceedingly efficient at it.
Also, it is implied by Morpheus saying in Revolutions ''After everything that's happened, how can you expect me to believe you?" that he had no idea the Oracle was a program''.
Also, it is implied by Morpheus saying in Revolutions ''After everything that's happened, how can you expect me to believe you?" that he had no idea the Oracle was a program''.
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** That line really should be taken under "Things people say in the first stage of grief" rather than a proper logical statement.
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*** There is a discussion above that people chalking it up to OccamsRazor would probably make this less of an issue than it first sounds. "Is my cynophobia due to a childhood trauma I can't remember anymore, or because my mind has been wiped? ... Eh, it's probably the former."
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[[folder:The Machines kill Neo... now what?]]
In the first movie Neo is really, REALLY close from dying if you think about it, both in the Matrix and in the real world. Trinity gave him that kiss just on the right moment, just one second later and it would have been over. And bear in mind that Trinity becoming so close to Neo was part of the Oracle's own schemes and apparently did not happen before, so the Machines couldn't haven't planned ahead for that last second save. So, why are they trying to kill Neo so hard? I mean, the next movies establishes that he is REALLY important to the survival of the Matrix and that the time for the next reboot (or the inevitable crash) was almost over. Had thing gone slightly different the Architect would have been with a very dead Neo and no way to estabilize the anomaly and reboot the Matrix. One could argue that even without Trin's kiss Neo's powers would have activated in The Matrix and he'd come back to life, but that doesn't account for the Squiddie that was one moment from killing him in the real world.
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In the first movie Neo is really, REALLY close from dying if you think about it, both in the Matrix and in the real world. Trinity gave him that kiss just on the right moment, just one second later and it would have been over. And bear in mind that Trinity becoming so close to Neo was part of the Oracle's own schemes and apparently did not happen before, so the Machines couldn't haven't planned ahead for that last second save. So, why are they trying to kill Neo so hard? I mean, the next movies establishes that he is REALLY important to the survival of the Matrix and that the time for the next reboot (or the inevitable crash) was almost over. Had thing gone slightly different the Architect would have been with a very dead Neo and no way to estabilize the anomaly and reboot the Matrix. One could argue that even without Trin's kiss Neo's powers would have activated in The Matrix and he'd come back to life, but that doesn't account for the Squiddie that was one moment from killing him in the real world.
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*** Also, the presence of "Cypherites" implies that it is possible to guilt-trip humans with the original Machine War into supporting the machines.
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**Anyone who is plugged into the Matrix can be used as the host for an Agent.
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* Neo and Trinity just mow down dozens of innocent people (police and security guards) on their way to rescue Morpheus. How the fuck are we supposed to root for them?!
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* Neo and Trinity just mow down dozens of innocent people (police and security guards) on their way to rescue Morpheus. How the fuck are we supposed to root for them?!
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** It could be the pipe system is segmented and realigned as necessary. It would be very wasteful to have a completely fixed system in place when each pod is flushed on average once in several decades. It would also explain why the pipe leads to just large empty space where the others can grab Neo -- the pipes are out of alingment there.
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** Also the flexibility and complexity of biological computation can't be matched with silicon or machinery. They aren't comperable in any way and even the best of the best computers in the contemporary world don't breach the 1% mark for complexity or raw data crunching.
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** As for how it actually happens, biting your own tongue and the interior of your mouth, clenching hard enough to have your skin or muscle rip, stress induced heart attach, or the brian simply shutting down due to the misinterpretation of information to make it believe itself dead. All of these things are fully within the capabilities of the human body but restrained by the bodies natural self preservation instincts. If it thinks its being shot, stabbed, etc then it could be tricked into responding with more force then the physical structure of the body can handle.
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* Over the course of months or years Neo would have slowly been driven to insanity by the clawing feeling that reality was wrong. He may have ended up in prison for his criminal activity before his encounter with Morpheus, killed himself, or been quietly bumped off by the machines for possibly knowing too much. Redpills have subconsiously rejected the system giving them specific traits Morpheus looks out for to recruit people and Neo was special to begin with so if he failed to follow the plan... well one way or another he ends up dead and the machine start work on "The Two"
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** Keep the bluepills distracted by lighting the building on fire and limiting the pool of possible agents. With the need to keep the mascarade to at least some degree the agents would be limited to just whoever was in the building already that way. Ontop of that it actually limits the possible "civilian" that is to say bluepill casualties from reenforcements for the soldiers taking the stairs.
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***Because the Matrix is a massive system and - as the existence of Exiles and the Merovingian proves, there are glitches and areas of code that can be exploited to make you undetectable to the system. The Zionists have lines of communication that can be somewhat protected from the Agents and the system, so they may also have locations that can make it hard for the system to locate somebody, even if they are still a bluepill. These 'glitches' and protected areas are probably limited though, and the Agents can probably find you with enough effort or 'inside help' from a traitor or a bug.
