History Headscratchers / TheMatrix

25th May '18 6:49:23 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** Also, while we're here, "duty as tropers"? I mean, I enjoy coming up with explanations for Headscratchers as much as anyone, but let's not get too self-serious about it. We're basically shooting the breeze about movie plot-holes, we're not discovering the cure for cancer or anything.
6th Apr '18 8:54:17 PM nombretomado
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*** That's not good enough. If you wanted to come up with an In-Universe answer for a digital watch in ''Gladiator'', you absolutely could, as far-fetched as it may be (time travel? hyperadvanced gifts from the Gods? magic? aliens?). Some things that are mistakes to begin with turn into something bigger - the {{Franchise/Grand Theft Auto}} series was created when an accidental glitch in a racing game turned out to be pretty cool on its own. If it's a mistake, even if the creators themselves don't care enough to explain it, it's our duty as tropers to do so.

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*** That's not good enough. If you wanted to come up with an In-Universe answer for a digital watch in ''Gladiator'', you absolutely could, as far-fetched as it may be (time travel? hyperadvanced gifts from the Gods? magic? aliens?). Some things that are mistakes to begin with turn into something bigger - the {{Franchise/Grand Theft Auto}} ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'' series was created when an accidental glitch in a racing game turned out to be pretty cool on its own. If it's a mistake, even if the creators themselves don't care enough to explain it, it's our duty as tropers to do so.
24th Mar '18 4:17:39 PM nombretomado
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* I have a small JustBugsMe, though ... in the first movie, when the first squiddies are prowling around the hovercraft. In response, the team shuts down their power sources and goes really quiet. Morpheus then puts on a black cap or hood. The only logical reason to do this in context is because the machines can see with enough accuracy to tell the difference between shadows and a black man's bald head. Two problems with that: (1) the squiddie ''looks straight at the hovercraft without detecting anybody'' and (2) Morpheus ''doesn't'' tell [[strike: all the whiteboys in the house]] his crew to conceal themselves or, y'know, ''hide''. So why the hat? Tinfoil radiation blocker? Any thoughts?

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* I have a small JustBugsMe, Headscratcher, though ... in the first movie, when the first squiddies are prowling around the hovercraft. In response, the team shuts down their power sources and goes really quiet. Morpheus then puts on a black cap or hood. The only logical reason to do this in context is because the machines can see with enough accuracy to tell the difference between shadows and a black man's bald head. Two problems with that: (1) the squiddie ''looks straight at the hovercraft without detecting anybody'' and (2) Morpheus ''doesn't'' tell [[strike: all the whiteboys in the house]] his crew to conceal themselves or, y'know, ''hide''. So why the hat? Tinfoil radiation blocker? Any thoughts?
20th Mar '18 5:38:06 PM MeaJae97
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** Four reasons, two pragmatic, two in-universe. Reason A: The Matrix 1 movie was only intended as one movie. QED Neo's transformation is basically meant to be complete at the end of it; he can fly and is therefore completely unbound by the rules of the system. Reason B: (Following off Reason A.) There ain't much story in "Neo became the One, broke the rules, crashed the Matrix. The End." Certainly not enough to do two more films. Reason C: I don't think being the One means that the rules of the system mean nothing to him. It just means he's able to ''bend'' the rules much more effectively than even an Agent can. The flying trick ultimately is changing gravity in a localised way around Neo; he doesn't move in a frictionless way. The bullet trick is manipulating spacetime in a very localised area around him. Doing stuff that ''really'' upsets the rules is a lot harder. And no, Morpheus's story that there was a man born inside who could "remake the Matrix as he saw fit" doesn't contradict it; that was a story, a control mechanism, seeded into humanity by the machines. Reason D: "Most of these people are not yet ready to be unplugged." At no point does Morpheus go public with the truth of the Matrix; the Zionites are always fighting a war by way of resistance. Possibly that means Neo can't risk the more flagrant breaches of Matrix physics because it either attracts the attention of agents or really screws with the heads of those still imprisoned.

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** Four reasons, two pragmatic, two in-universe. Reason A: The Matrix 1 movie was only intended as one movie. QED Neo's transformation is basically meant to be complete at the end of it; he can fly and is therefore completely unbound by the rules of the system. Reason B: (Following off Reason A.) There ain't much story in "Neo became the One, broke the rules, crashed the Matrix. The End." Certainly not enough to do two more films. Reason C: I don't think being the One means that the rules of the system mean nothing to him. It just means he's able to ''bend'' the rules much more effectively than even an Agent can. The flying trick ultimately is changing gravity in a localised way around Neo; he doesn't move in a frictionless way. The bullet trick is manipulating spacetime in a very localised area around him. Doing stuff that ''really'' upsets the rules is a lot harder. And no, Morpheus's story that there was a man born inside who could "remake the Matrix as he saw fit" doesn't contradict it; that was a story, a control mechanism, seeded into humanity by the machines. Reason D: "Most of these people are not yet ready to be unplugged." At no point does Morpheus go public with the truth of the Matrix; the Zionites are always fighting a war by way of resistance. Possibly that means Neo can't risk the more flagrant breaches of Matrix physics because it either attracts the attention of agents or really screws with the heads of those still imprisoned.



** Morpheus explains this. He says that Agents still have to work within the boundaries of the Matrix's programming. When Neo stops bullets or flies, he's essentially rewriting the Matrix's code on the fly. He's hacking and altering the system... something that Agents, as ''part'' of the system, cannot do.

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** Morpheus explains this. He says that Agents still have to work within the boundaries of the Matrix's programming. When Neo stops bullets or flies, he's essentially rewriting the Matrix's code on the fly. He's hacking and altering the system... something that Agents, as ''part'' of the system, cannot do. They were also given limitations so they would not kill the One and ruin all of the meticulous planning.



** Besides, "destiny" is not a real thing, especially not in sci-fy and especially especially when the "prophesy" in question is a lie.

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** Besides, "destiny" is not a real thing, especially not in sci-fy and especially especially when the "prophesy" "prophecy" in question is a lie.



* The machines didn't do that. When they recruit Neo, Morpheus's crew put a tracking program on Neo (that's what the weird quicksilver thing is, you can hear Switch, I think refer to it as such), hack into the system once they find him, and flush him to somewhere they can pick him up.
** Uhm, "flush him to somewhere" ''how''? This is not some random city with its sewer system. It's a facility, it has a very specific function. Humans are kept in the pods as batteries, and when they die, they're processed into food. So, why would there be anything other than a meat grinder on the exit of that pipe? And even before that there was no reason for the caretaker robot to grab him but not to crash his neck.

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* ** The machines didn't do that.that, they needed the One to survive in order to reload the Matrix. When they recruit Neo, Morpheus's crew put a tracking program on Neo (that's what the weird quicksilver thing is, you can hear Switch, I think refer to it as such), hack into the system once they find him, and flush him to somewhere they can pick him up.
** * Uhm, "flush him to somewhere" ''how''? This is not some random city with its sewer system. It's a facility, it has a very specific function. Humans are kept in the pods as batteries, and when they die, they're processed into food. So, why would there be anything other than a meat grinder on the exit of that pipe? And even before that there was no reason for the caretaker robot to grab him but not to crash his neck.
18th Jan '18 12:37:28 PM MeaJae97
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* I've been thinking of this for years, but, how would have Neo's life gone if he had swallowed the blue pill?

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* I've been thinking of this for years, but, how [[folder: How would have Neo's life gone if he had swallowed the blue pill?pill?]]
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18th Jan '18 12:35:35 PM MeaJae97
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31st Dec '17 11:59:06 AM nombretomado
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** How about a piece of software that could [[{{Hackers}} make an ATM spit cash out into the street]]?

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** How about a piece of software that could [[{{Hackers}} [[Film/{{Hackers}} make an ATM spit cash out into the street]]?
3rd Dec '17 12:40:09 PM nombretomado
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* Why hasn't Morpheus' ship still got weapons? It's not just the energy guns now - we've seen that the rebels have conventional ones too: machine guns and even rocket launchers. And we've seen that they do put those on the ships, so what the hell? Some rank-and-file ship has guns, but the ship that carries the freaking One doesn't? What, did Commander [[ConfusedMatthew Angryfuck]] intentionally refuse to issue Morpheus some guns as a revenge for stealing his girl?

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* Why hasn't Morpheus' ship still got weapons? It's not just the energy guns now - we've seen that the rebels have conventional ones too: machine guns and even rocket launchers. And we've seen that they do put those on the ships, so what the hell? Some rank-and-file ship has guns, but the ship that carries the freaking One doesn't? What, did Commander [[ConfusedMatthew [[WebVideo/ConfusedMatthew Angryfuck]] intentionally refuse to issue Morpheus some guns as a revenge for stealing his girl?
27th Nov '17 8:13:50 PM AmourMitts
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*I've been thinking of this for years, but, how would have Neo's life gone if he had swallowed the blue pill?
18th Sep '17 7:43:12 AM Gess
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* A case of IfIWanterYouDead maybe? She could've engineered a situation we she had an upper hand over the zionists but didn't act upon hence proving that's she's not a threat.
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