History Headscratchers / TheMatrix

22nd Jan '17 9:59:43 AM FordPrefect
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** "How do the machines know what Tasty Wheat tasted like? Maybe they got it wrong... maybe they couldn't figure out what to make chicken taste like, which is why chicken tastes like everything." In the same vein, the machines might NOT have know what the real 90-s had been like (although I doubt even a global war would've destroyed ''all'' records, not to mention machines themselves had time before the war to learn and record human history), but if that's all you've known your entire life, how would you tell the difference? Besides, if Matrix was indeed created from the minds of people, the machines could've fed whatever knowledge of the past they had to the first Matricians, and they thought up the rest and filled in the gaps. I suppose it actually looks like the real deal in the movie, because it was easier to write and shoot it that way. It would've been nice though, if the world did have some minor discrepancies that could've clued the viewer about its tacit wrongness, or, hell, maybe there were, you just have to look really hard.

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** "How do the machines know what Tasty Wheat tasted like? Maybe they got it wrong... maybe they couldn't figure out what to make chicken taste like, which is why chicken tastes like everything." In the same vein, the machines might NOT have know known what the real 90-s had been like (although I doubt even a global war would've destroyed ''all'' records, not to mention machines themselves had time before the war to learn and record human history), but if that's all you've known your entire life, how would you tell the difference? Besides, if the Matrix was indeed created from the minds of people, the machines could've fed whatever knowledge of the past they had to the first Matricians, and they thought up the rest and filled in the gaps. I suppose it actually looks like the real deal in the movie, because it was easier to write and shoot it that way. It would've been nice though, if the world did have some minor discrepancies that could've clued the viewer about its tacit wrongness, or, hell, maybe there were, you just have to look really hard.
22nd Jan '17 9:58:19 AM FordPrefect
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*** Jumping far strains belief, but doesn't break it--look at basketball players, or long jumpers. The Agent's leap might be well past that, but people can rationalize it away. "In plain view of the whole city" is a massive exaggeration. They were on top of a skyscraper, the ''closest'' anyone could have possibly been was hundreds of meters away, and that's only if they were bothering to pay attention. And at that distance, all they'd see is, "Oh, that guy missed." The highway chase, well, chances are the people caught in that pileup were killed anyway, so it doesn't matter what they see, and at any rate thld be invincible. So what they did was simply take regular human stats, like strey were, again, acting pretty desperately.
*** That's because agents don't run on their ''own'' program, they run on the bodies of people (making it easy to swap out). If they made the body invincible, then every human couength and speed, and maxed them out while they operate.

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*** Jumping far strains belief, but doesn't break it--look at basketball players, or long jumpers. The Agent's leap might be well past that, but people can rationalize it away. "In plain view of the whole city" is a massive exaggeration. They were on top of a skyscraper, the ''closest'' anyone could have possibly been was hundreds of meters away, and that's only if they were bothering to pay attention. And at that distance, all they'd see is, "Oh, that guy missed." The highway chase, well, chances are the people caught in that pileup were killed anyway, so it doesn't matter what they see, and at any rate thld be invincible. So what they did was simply take regular human stats, like strey they were, again, acting pretty desperately.
*** That's because agents don't run on their ''own'' program, they run on the bodies of people (making it easy to swap out). If they made the body invincible, then every human couength would need potential super strength and speed, and maxed them out while they the agents operate.



*** Which brings us back to the original question - why not give the Agents endless bullets? That's not even conspicuous - how's gonna count them?

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*** Which brings us back to the original question - why not give the Agents endless bullets? That's not even conspicuous - how's who's gonna count them?
22nd Jan '17 9:54:35 AM FordPrefect
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*** Care to discuss the in-universe explanation for the presence in the ''Film/{{Gladiator}}'' movie such things as digital watches, a guy in jeans and a plane trail in the sky? Some things are just blunders, whether visual or conceptual. In this case they pretty much admit that it is a blunder. There cannot be an in-universe explanation for a blunder, because it was not supposed to be there at all. It's a glitch. In the "real" part of the movie world. Funny, I think, I just accidentally prooved that the "real" world ''was'' another layer of the Matrix.

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*** Care to discuss the in-universe explanation for the presence in the ''Film/{{Gladiator}}'' movie such things as digital watches, a guy in jeans and a plane trail in the sky? Some things are just blunders, whether visual or conceptual. In this case they pretty much admit that it is a blunder. There cannot be an in-universe explanation for a blunder, because it was not supposed to be there at all. It's a glitch. In the "real" part of the movie world. Funny, I think, I just accidentally prooved proved that the "real" world ''was'' another layer of the Matrix.



** The in-universe explanation that doesn't rely on people (or machines) being stupid, is that the whole premise is not correctly interpreted by the redpills. Machines never enslaved humanity and are not malicious at all. Matrix is run ''by'' humans and is designed as a refuge for the humakind after the world war had desolated the planet (the "sky burning" was some nano-wepon GoneHorriblyWrong). Naturally, all the regular Matricians had their memories of the pre-Matrix events erased, so that they could lead normal lives. However, because the Matrix is created by the neurological network of the minds of its dwellers, it's natural laws rely on the conformity of mind to work. Some people are less susceptable and start feeling that "something is wrong". If left unchecked, they might proove dangerous to the society, but the leaders are unwilling to simply murder them and instead chose to remove them from the Matrix (because no prison inside could hold them). And the whole "Human rebellion" ruse was created to give the exiles something to do and also to enlist them into searching for other anomalies.

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** The in-universe explanation that doesn't rely on people (or machines) being stupid, is that the whole premise is not correctly interpreted by the redpills. Machines never enslaved humanity and are not malicious at all. Matrix is run ''by'' humans and is designed as a refuge for the humakind after the world war had desolated the planet (the "sky burning" was some nano-wepon GoneHorriblyWrong). Naturally, all the regular Matricians had their memories of the pre-Matrix events erased, so that they could lead normal lives. However, because the Matrix is created by the neurological network of the minds of its dwellers, it's natural laws rely on the conformity of mind to work. Some people are less susceptable and start feeling that "something is wrong". If left unchecked, they might proove prove dangerous to the society, but the leaders are unwilling to simply murder them and instead chose to remove them from the Matrix (because no prison inside could hold them). And the whole "Human rebellion" ruse was created to give the exiles something to do and also to enlist them into searching for other anomalies.



** Except that the machines have been deling with the Resistance for decades. They ''know'' that's how they free new members. Signals or not, if the machines were serious about all this, they would've ordered the caretaker to snap each human's neck, wether it's dead or not.

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** Except that the machines have been deling dealing with the Resistance for decades. They ''know'' that's how they free new members. Signals or not, if the machines were serious about all this, they would've ordered the caretaker to snap each human's neck, wether whether it's dead or not.



** Come on. It had already grabbed him by the neck. If it was capable of that, no way it couldn't have squizzed just a little tighter and crush his windpipe. And no, there's no way Machines don't know how the Zionists get their recruits out, because the caretaker drone was there when Neo was flushed. Extraction could only happen afterwards.

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** Come on. It had already grabbed him by the neck. If it was capable of that, no way it couldn't have squizzed squeezed just a little tighter and crush crushed his windpipe. And no, there's no way Machines don't know how the Zionists get their recruits out, because the caretaker drone was there when Neo was flushed. Extraction could only happen afterwards.
22nd Jan '17 9:52:07 AM FordPrefect
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** I may have answered my own question by remembering that Morpheus also said, "I can't tell you exactly what year it is, because we honestly don't know." and it's possible tha the war began in 2099 thereabout. Still, just irks me a bit.

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** I may have answered my own question by remembering that Morpheus also said, "I can't tell you exactly what year it is, because we honestly don't know." and it's possible tha that the war began in 2099 thereabout. Still, just irks me a bit.



** Here's the noodle-baking answer. In "Reloaded," yes, Morpheus notes that Zion has fought the Machines for nearly 100 years. Neo learns that 5 Ones have existed before he, and that the Machines have destroyed Zion that many times (per the Architect), with each One accepting the option that Neo did not. In addition, the Architect notes that there were two unstable versions of the Matrix before that (of which the Merovingian first arrived in, bringing in his little minions). That means that the Matrix program eventually decays (like Windows 9x) every 100 years--and that the Matrix, if not just the war--has been fought for at least 600 years, if not older. The year in the real world is closer to 2600 to 2800.

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** Here's the noodle-baking answer. In "Reloaded," yes, Morpheus notes that Zion has fought the Machines for nearly 100 years. Neo learns that 5 Ones have existed before he, him, and that the Machines have destroyed Zion that many times (per the Architect), with each One accepting the option that Neo did not. In addition, the Architect notes that there were two unstable versions of the Matrix before that (of which the Merovingian first arrived in, bringing in his little minions). That means that the Matrix program eventually decays (like Windows 9x) every 100 years--and that the Matrix, if not just the war--has been fought for at least 600 years, if not older. The year in the real world is closer to 2600 to 2800.
6th Jan '17 7:23:06 PM nombretomado
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** [[{{Inception}} BRAHHHMMMMMMMMMM!!!]]

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** [[{{Inception}} [[Film/{{Inception}} BRAHHHMMMMMMMMMM!!!]]
25th Dec '16 3:33:02 AM DanteCorwyn
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** Or more coldly, the blue pill is a bullet to the head.


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** I've read in a few places that Cypher was considered at some point to be the One by Morpheus, and when it turned out he wasn't, took that badly. Imagine being built up to be the messiah, and then have that torn away from you, no wonder Cypher's so bitter. Also, in the film he mentions that he's been 'free' for nine years. He looks pretty old in the film. Maybe he's an example of why people who are too old shouldn't be freed from the Matrix, they instinctively want to go back to it.
21st Oct '16 3:15:13 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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*** That's not good enough. If you wanted to come up with an In-Universe answer for a digital watch in ''Gladiator'', you absolutely could, as far-fetched as it may be (time travel? hyperadvanced gifts from the Gods? magic? aliens?). Some things that are mistakes to begin with turn into something bigger - the {{Franchise/Grand Theft Auto}} series was created when an accidental glitch in a racing game turned out to be pretty cool on its own. If it's a mistake, even if the creators themselves [[TheyJustDidntCare don't care]] enough to explain it, it's our duty as tropers to do so.

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*** That's not good enough. If you wanted to come up with an In-Universe answer for a digital watch in ''Gladiator'', you absolutely could, as far-fetched as it may be (time travel? hyperadvanced gifts from the Gods? magic? aliens?). Some things that are mistakes to begin with turn into something bigger - the {{Franchise/Grand Theft Auto}} series was created when an accidental glitch in a racing game turned out to be pretty cool on its own. If it's a mistake, even if the creators themselves [[TheyJustDidntCare don't care]] care enough to explain it, it's our duty as tropers to do so.
21st Oct '16 3:14:51 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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*** That's something of a lazy answer, especially since BellisariosMaxim is so frequently invoked by lazy creators to justify [[TheyJustDidntCare not caring]] about their writing.

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*** That's something of a lazy answer, especially since BellisariosMaxim is so frequently invoked by lazy creators to justify [[TheyJustDidntCare not caring]] caring about their writing.
23rd Jul '16 6:29:24 PM Sharlee
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** Also, scientifically proving something generally requires that your experimental results be repeatable. Most glitches in the Matrix are unlikely to repeat themselves, and if a recurrent glitch ''does'' take place, by the time anybody tries to formally test the phenomenon in question the machines will have noticed their interest and corrected the error.
23rd Jul '16 6:19:03 PM Sharlee
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*** One or both of Tank's ''parents'' are probably redpills. No surprise he'd grow up hearing phrases like that.
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