History Headscratchers / TheLittleMermaid

18th Apr '18 9:18:44 PM Clown-Face
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* So, Ursula has obviously transformed quite a number of merfolk into polyps by the film's events, to the point of practically having a garden of them. How come nothing was ever done about it until Ariel fell into Ursula's grasp? Did none of those previous merfolk have family members or friends who'd wondered why they'd suddenly vanished? Ursula is clearly a well-known figure under the sea, and given the sheer amount of merfolk she's ensnared, you'd think King Triton would've done ''something'' about it.
23rd Mar '18 4:49:31 PM sugaricequeen
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** Her being a princess doesn't mean she has free access to Atlantica's royal treasury. Maybe she had some jewelry she could pawn off, but she could've been afraid that Triton wouldn't let her leave if she tried going back home to get it. (In reality, he probably would've made an attempt to apologize, but Ursula wouldn't have let things get that far anyway.)
13th Mar '18 5:27:55 PM fearlessnikki
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** Ursula is able to enchant Floatsam and Jetsam to spy for her so that she sees whatever they see. Maybe they're not the first animals she's done that to, and used it on birds to learn more about the surface world.




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** And Ariel was supposed to enter the show by popping out of a clam shell. The shell was closed and the sisters assumed Ariel was already inside.




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** She wouldn't have gotten the voice back because Ursula said it was the payment. And if you think about it, say Ariel actually pulls the deal off. She's still without her voice, and that gives Ursula some leverage over Triton. Granted Ursula sabotaged the deal anyway but it's a possibility.
10th Mar '18 4:00:58 AM fearlessnikki
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** If underwater theatre is run the same way as human theatre, then the performers don't normally focus on whether or not the other people are in their positions. That's the stage manager's job. They're the ones who keep track of everyone going on stage when they're supposed to. And I've been in a show where there was no stage manager and during the first performance, people did forget that they were meant to be on stage at a certain point. So maybe their stage manager was ill or they didn't have one, so no one thought to check that Ariel was up to date.




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** And Ursula's lair clearly isn't that far down, since it's a skeleton that's on a rock and things are still pretty light.




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** Or more simply since she turned into Vanessa at the end of the second day, her plan was entirely to stop Eric from kissing Ariel. She could have even left Eric at the altar if the sun set before they were officially married.



** In this universe humans can apparently understand sea creatures.




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** Well as part of whatever spells she casts, Ursula also charges a fee for the merman or mermaid in question. She took Ariel's voice, which she then used in another spell. So in capturing these people, she gets something that enhances her power.




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** Maybe he got a better view from the cake?




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** Triton blasted the contract, while Eric killed Ursula herself. Maybe the king just is reluctant to commit outright murder. As noted above, the last time he flew off the handle and got trigger happy with the trident, Ursula was able to sucker Ariel in. He may also have been considering what would happen if he did kill Ursula and the spell was still intact - and he's just killed the only person who knows how to reverse it.
** Or more mundanely Ursula used her magic to buff and protect herself from Triton using the trident on her. But she failed to consider someone else using a more mundane way to kill her.




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** Sebastian and Flounder swam over straight away to help Ariel, so Ursula didn't need to act because she saw Ariel had help already.




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** And the necklace is a very unusual thing for a human princess to wear. Scuttle has clearly seen a lot of humans in his time - even if he doesn't quite get their culture - and he also would see human women wearing necklaces with jewels on them. A woman of rank high enough to marry a prince would most certainly not wear a sea shell around her neck at her wedding. If he's seen what human women wear at weddings, then the necklace is bound to look extra unusual.
** And since she's using Ariel's voice, he may have guessed that it was the necklace because it was worn so close to her throat.




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** Well we don't see any particularly old looking merpeople when they transform at the end, so we can assume no.




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** Triton ''does'' have a temper, as demonstrated when he destroys Ariel's grotto. Sebastian has clearly seen it in action, which means he's worried about it being directed at him.




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** Well look at what had just happened with Triton. Maybe Ariel felt she had been practically disowned by her father and felt she literally had nothing. And her grotto had just been destroyed, so she can't barter with any of the human objects in her collection.
25th Feb '18 8:47:57 PM CthonisPrincess
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*** The beach on which Ariel sings to Eric has a look that's reminiscent of the Grecian coastline.



*** In conclusion, the best place in which tu can find Middle Eastern, French, Greek, and Italian influences with a tropical climate is along the European apuntalar, costa in the Mediterranean. Possibly Greece.

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*** ** In conclusion, the best place in which tu can find Middle Eastern, French, Greek, and Italian influences with a tropical climate is along the European apuntalar, costa in the Mediterranean. Possibly Mediterranean or more specifically Greece. In other words Eric's kingdom is more than likely an island (Or several) off the coast of Greece.
25th Feb '18 8:43:09 PM CthonisPrincess
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** It's more than likely located in Greece or Italy,
** WordOfGod confirmed that they used Southern Mediterranean European Countries such as Italy and Greece for the setting. Also in the original fairytale the story takes place somewhere on a European cost of the Mediterranean Sea (perhaps Greece). I based this off of several hints from the ''original story'' and the movie. For example in the book:
**** The prince is described as having coal black eyes and raven hair (this obviously doesn’t settle anything, but a Mediterranean/Arabic prince is much more likely to be so dark than a central or northern European one)
**** The beaches are described as having fine, white sand with lofty palm trees, naranja trees, and citron trees (all three of which can only easily be grown in tropical to sub-tropical climates such as in the Mediterranean)
**** The rolling green hills have uva vines on them (this at least rules out Denmark- see grape- growing regions of europa below)
**** The convent is specifically described as being built of white material (immediately putting one in mind of Mediterranean architecture) and the palace of yellow stone with long flights of marble steps, gilded cupolas, pillars, and marble statues (reminiscent of Greek and Italian architecture)
**** The little mermaid was dado robes of silk and muslin and wore silk and oro to the wedding (perhaps doesn’t mean much but that’s two of her outfits that include silk and silk was most widely popular in the Mediterranean where it was directly imported and later manufactured)
**** The prince had female slaves who wore silk and oro and danced (that doesn’t sound European at all, that’s much more likely Middle Eastern)
*** In the movie:
****The chef is French and Ariel and Eric buy baguettes in the village (French influence)
**** The castillo architecture (see below) looks very similar to “Mediterranean architecture homes” (see below)
**** Grapes shown in the village
**** Palm trees shown in the village and palace
**** Onion dome shown in village (possibly Middle Eastern influence)
**** Arabic-style windows shown in the village (Middle Eastern influence)
**** Sebastian originally was supposed to have an English accent instead of a Jamaican one. He was changed mostly to create a more specific musical style.
*** In conclusion, the best place in which tu can find Middle Eastern, French, Greek, and Italian influences with a tropical climate is along the European apuntalar, costa in the Mediterranean. Possibly Greece.
4th Feb '18 5:48:51 PM Sontin
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** Because it's not true that "swimming up from a deep part of the ocean to the surface = 100% chance of the bends" There's actually an equation related to the depth of the water vs. the time you spent there = your chance of the bends. This is why some scuba dives require a safety stop and others don't; it all depends on how long you were swimming at the deepest point. (In theory it's possible to go down to 40m, stay there for 10 minutes and come up with no chance of the bends, although this troper has never met a diver willing to test it!)
Getting back to the main point, Ariel turns into a human and immediately goes straight up to the surface. Total amount of time spent at the depths of Ursula's lair: about 5 seconds. Unless it was insanely deep - in which case the water pressure would probably kill her outright - Ariel wasn't down there nearly long enough for the bends to become an issue.

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** Because it's not true that "swimming up from a deep part of the ocean to the surface = 100% chance of the bends" There's actually an equation related to the depth of the water vs. the time you spent there = your chance of the bends. This is why some scuba dives require a safety stop and others don't; it all depends on how long you were swimming at the deepest point. (In theory it's possible to go down to 40m, stay there for 10 minutes and come up with no chance of the bends, although this troper has never met a diver willing to test it!)
it!) Getting back to the main point, Ariel turns into a human and immediately goes straight up to the surface. Total amount of time spent at the depths of Ursula's lair: about 5 seconds. Unless it was insanely deep - in which case the water pressure would probably kill her outright - Ariel wasn't down there nearly long enough for the bends to become an issue.
4th Feb '18 5:48:05 PM Sontin
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** Because it's not true that "swimming up from a deep part of the ocean to the surface = 100% chance of the bends" There's actually an equation related to the depth of the water vs. the time you spent there = your chance of the bends. This is why some scuba dives require a safety stop and others don't; it all depends on how long you were swimming at the deepest point. (In theory it's possible to go down to 40m, stay there for 10 minutes and come up with no chance of the bends, although this troper has never met a diver willing to test it!)
Getting back to the main point, Ariel turns into a human and immediately goes straight up to the surface. Total amount of time spent at the depths of Ursula's lair: about 5 seconds. Unless it was insanely deep - in which case the water pressure would probably kill her outright - Ariel wasn't down there nearly long enough for the bends to become an issue.
6th Jan '18 8:08:21 AM NateTheGreat
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* Ariel says that she doesn't have anything to pay Ursula with for the spell. Isn't she a princess? Isn't there some form of currency system in the underwater world even if they don't seem to use gold, jewels, and other surface world commodities? Granted, Ursula probably would've demanded her voice anyway, but it's odd that Ariel seems to be saying that she doesn't own anything that isn't on her person.
3rd Jan '18 1:53:08 AM Cryoclaste
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*** They could be in Australia or New Zealand, both of which are near Antarctica and have European ties even to this modern day. This would explain why [[{{JakAndDaxter}} Daxter]]... I mean Tip, and his race are found here. It's possible that Dash's ancestors immigrated to Antarctica for food...

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*** They could be in Australia or New Zealand, both of which are near Antarctica and have European ties even to this modern day. This would explain why [[{{JakAndDaxter}} [[Franchise/{{JakAndDaxter}} Daxter]]... I mean Tip, and his race are found here. It's possible that Dash's ancestors immigrated to Antarctica for food...
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