History Headscratchers / TheLittleMermaid

2nd May '16 1:49:59 PM Lightice
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*** The name "Ariel" is not English -- it is a proper noun and same in every language. Just because the Merpeople use Latin alphabet doesn't mean that they write in language recognisable to humans.
1st May '16 5:01:43 PM SeanRenaud
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** Ursula is not a JerkassGenie at all. Ariel gets exactly what she asked for and knew she's be paying with her voice. Zero trickery or rules lawyering went on here. Ursula is merely a [[DealWithTheDevil Sea Witch who can make deals]]. What she did to Ariel is almost definitely a special case since she could [[IncrediblyLamePun hook Triton on this deal.]] Given the size of her garden its safe to say that many of her customers are unable to fulfill their desires and she probably makes them punishingly difficult. On the other hand unless Flotsam and Jetsam hand pick every single one of her victims odds are she gives most people a sporting enough chance that some do succeed and even spread the word.
1st May '16 3:10:59 PM aziuka
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* A related problem: what did Ariel eat after she had permanently become a human? And how did she manage to come to terms with the fact that humans (so, presumably, Eric as well) regularly eat seafood - which, from her perspective, basically amounts to [[SapientEatSapient hunting and killing other sapient species for food]]?
3rd Apr '16 2:34:46 AM ScroogeMacDuck
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* Is Ursula always a JerkassGenie ? In Ariel's case, her failing to fulfill the terms their contract was part of a larger EvilPlan, so she sent Flotsam and Jetsam to stop her from kissing Eric. But for "ordinary" clients, does she always deliberately arrange things so they get turned into polyps, or can she let them be if they pay her fair and square ? Think a minute before you answer the latter, because whereas Ariel could be used as an instrument for blackmailing Triton, this would not be the case for most clients, whom she would have no use for as polyps.
23rd Mar '16 6:10:14 PM QuarrelsomeChevon
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** I don't think turning people into polyps nessecarily helps to make Ursula stronger. Also, she was about to do something to Ariel with the trident, but Eric shot a harpoon through her arm before she could go through with it.
9th Mar '16 9:40:46 AM SeanRenaud
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** First as stated above this requires an assumption about how Atlantean society functions. Ariel could very well be a legal adult at 16 or even younger. Triton in Greek Mythology is the son of Poseidon, God of the Sea. The contract would seem to be absolute proof that if not Poseidon himself there is certainly a higher power out there that even Triton is powerless to resist. In the movies at least it's never explicitly stated where the Trident itself came from providing additional evidence of outside forces. While it's possible this is a dark power the vast majority of fiction seems to presume that gods of law and justice are neutral to an almost infuriating degree tending to favor the letter of the law over the spirit. This would be a fairly text book example of it. Even Ursula's interference may not strictly speaking be against the rules since it was never forbidden. See Aladdin The Return of Jafar for what happens when you don't phrase you magical contracts precisely.
8th Mar '16 5:24:58 AM fearlessnikki
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** Now Ursula wouldn't be very smart if she roped Triton's daughter into a contract he could easily destroy. But as far as I know, contract law states that said contract is binding if both parties are aware of the agreements and sign under their own free will. Triton probably could have found a loophole in that Ursula clearly meddled in Ariel and Eric's courtship. But Ursula's main raison d'etre is that she catches people in the heat of the moment and persuades them to make a rash decision - in this case giving Triton an opportunity to save his daughter from AFateWorseThanDeath.




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** Or the magic just hadn't finished when Ursula dragged Ariel off the boat. Perhaps the dress would have turned back into the SeashellBra?




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*** Except from the fact that they were ''all'' freed from her clutches at the end of the movie.
18th Feb '16 12:21:33 PM JPO398
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* So Ursula's plan is nearly complete: Ariel's in the process of becoming a polyp, and Triton's at her mercy. So why, then, didn't she transform ''both'' of them into polyps? Even without another contract, she could easily do so with the trident's magic, and she'd get two for the price of one.

* Do the polyps in Ursula's garden continue to age? Because if they do, then the situation is even more horrible than it seems.
29th Jan '16 7:26:10 PM JPO398
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** Remember that at this point, Ursula's pretty much got Ariel ready to become part of her "garden." She could always threaten Ariel's life further, and Triton wouldn't risk attempting to kill Ursula a second time if it meant Ariel dying as well.




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** Triton's got six more daughters she can burn through. Granted, they might not be as naive as Ariel, but Ursula will find a way to make things work.




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** And even if Scuttle never saw the shell before, he's heard enough about Ursula to know she's bad news. He could have assumed that it was the source of her magic, making the whole scenario a case of DumbassHasAPoint.
19th Jan '16 4:10:23 PM MrDeath
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** You are making a whole lot of assumptions about how the legal and magic systems of an alien culture work.
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