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** Also, the Master Sword's quillons resemble wings, whereas Demise's weapon has quillons like pincer-claws or talons. Girahim therefore has upper limbs suitable for clutching at things, but Fi's upper limbs flutter and flap.
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** Not every "sacrifice" has to be a permanent forfeiture of what's being given up. Fasting can be a form of sacrificial rite without anyone actually starving to death, and sacrificing one's time to do good works is a very common religious gesture.
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** Giving Link a personal motivation also ensures he won't immediately do what's arguably the ''rational'' thing for an untested teen student to do, namely ''tell the Skyloft Knights'' and their Commander, who happens to be Link's superior and teacher, what's going on. It'd be entirely sensible for him to let the '''adults''' take charge of any rescue attempt, merely assisting as part of a search team as they instruct; indeed, had Zelda's disappearance truly been a fluke of the weather, that's the approach that should've worked best. But her vanishing was a part of something hidden and much bigger, and a ''solo'' hero is essential to resolve the crisis, not a squadron of them.

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** Giving Link a personal motivation also ensures he won't immediately do what's arguably the ''rational'' thing for an untested teen student to do, namely ''tell the Skyloft Knights'' and their Commander, who happens to be Link's superior and teacher, what's going on. It'd be entirely sensible for him to let the '''adults''' take charge of any rescue attempt, merely assisting as part of a search team as they instruct; indeed, had Zelda's disappearance truly been a fluke of the weather, that's the approach that should've worked best. But her vanishing was a part of something hidden and much bigger, and a ''solo'' hero who'll charge blindly into the fray for his [=BFF=]'s sake is what's essential to resolve the crisis, not a squadron of them.troopers.
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** Giving Link a personal motivation also ensures he won't immediately do what's arguably the ''rational'' thing for an untested teen student to do, namely ''tell the Skyloft Knights'' and their Commander, who happens to be Link's superior and teacher, what's going on. It'd be entirely sensible for him to let the '''adults''' take charge of any rescue attempt, merely assisting as part of a search team as they instruct; indeed, had Zelda's disappearance truly been a fluke of the weather, that's the approach that should've worked best. But her vanishing was a part of something hidden and much bigger, and a ''solo'' hero is essential to resolve the crisis, not a squadron of them.
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** Maybe those doors which Zelda and Link both pass through were originally open, and Zelda ''closed'' them to hinder various monsters that were chasing her? Yes, this made Link's own passage slightly harder, but she had faith in his strength and knew he'd be better armed than she or Impa were.
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** The locked doors are probably meant to keep nocturnal monsters from wandering ''in'', far more than to keep students from sneaking out. None of the critters infesting Skyloft by night seem bright enough to search for an alternative entrance after encountering a barrier.
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** How much does a person's mystically-projected spirit weigh?

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** The truth is that Demise's origin was completely unknown, even to the gods themselves. It's possible that he's a primordial being that simply came into existence with the world itself or that he's an amalgamation of Malice from the living beings of the ancient world that eventually collected and gained sapience. Whatever his origin, his intentions are clear enough.



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* Given that the whole game is a timeloop, and thus [[spoiler: in the present the Master Sword is already sealing Demise's consciousness, how can the Master Sword also exist in its Goddess Sword form, and how can Fi herself be conscious?]]

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* Given that the whole game is a timeloop, time loop, and thus [[spoiler: in the present the Master Sword is already sealing Demise's consciousness, how can the Master Sword also exist in its Goddess Sword form, and how can Fi herself be conscious?]]



** ...So then why didn't she immediately use it after [[spoiler:reincarnating]]? If [[spoiler:she lost her memories in the process]], then why not [[spoiler:after Zelda regains Hylia's memories]]? It feels like the plot is bending over backwards just to allow Link to play hero.

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** ...** So then why didn't she immediately use it after [[spoiler:reincarnating]]? If [[spoiler:she lost her memories in the process]], then why not [[spoiler:after Zelda regains Hylia's memories]]? It feels like the plot is bending over backwards just to allow Link to play hero.



** Building on the notion that Fi looking for Link would attract too much notice, monsters may not be able to touch the sword, but the Bokoblins probably have a way of keeping in touch with Ghirahim. If any of them were able to report to him with the sword’s location when Link isn’t there to use it, it’s not beyond imagination that he could use that to his advantage even if he can’t directly touch the blade. After all, ''Breath of the Wild'' has shown us that the Master Sword isn’t indestructible.

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** Building on the notion that Fi looking for Link would attract too much notice, monsters may not be able to touch the sword, but the Bokoblins probably have a way of keeping in touch with Ghirahim. If any of them were able to report to him with the sword’s location when Link isn’t there to use it, it’s not beyond imagination that he could use that to his advantage even if he can’t directly touch the blade. After all, ''Breath of the Wild'' has shown us that the Master Sword isn’t isn't indestructible.




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** The Silent Realm isn't a physical place at all. It's a spiritual recreation of Link's memories designed to force him to prove his spiritual growth in a trial without any gear or allies. Link's real body is still in the real world where he planted his sword. Nothing in it physically exists.



* Why doesn't Impa destroy the second Gate of Time the same way she destroyed the first after Link meets with Zelda? Its use is over at that point. Keeping it around is only inviting Ghirahim to mess up the timeline. It dissolves immediately after Link rescues Zelda, so... why not after killing Demise in the present? Why not while Ghirahim was rambling and Impa was ''just standing there''?

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* Why doesn't Impa destroy the second Gate of Time the same way she destroyed the first after Link meets with Zelda? Its use is over at that point. Keeping it around is only inviting Ghirahim to mess up the timeline. It dissolves immediately after Link rescues saves Zelda, so... why not after killing Demise in the present? Why not while Ghirahim was rambling and Impa was ''just standing there''?



** Before all this began, Link was a brave, but fairly normal high school kid that grew up in comfort and safety. He had never known true hardship or danger before in Skyloft. Now he's being asked to give it all up so he can risk his life by joining a battle far greater than himself to save a world he knows absolutely nothing about. I don't know about you, but I would consider that more than a little overwhelming. In the haze of emotions that would bring, it would be easier for him to keep moving forward if he had a simple, personal goal as a driving force to focus on that happened to coincide with the larger picture. What better one for him that trying to save the person he loves the most? At least, that's what Hylia, who at that point was still a goddess responsible for keeping cosmic order, thought. Given how selfless Link already was, it probably wasn't necessary to deceive him this way, but the plan hinged on him becoming. The world couldn't afford the possibility that he might abandon his quest out of all-too-human frailties, so she orchestrated events to ensure that Zelda would be the carrot on the stick to keep him walking the path laid out for him. Zelda, after receiving Hylia's memories, understood that the severity of the situation may have justified these manipulative methods to ensure she and Link were in place to complete their destinies, but she clearly hated herself for having to stoop to them. It was a credit to Link's character that by the time it was all explained to him, he understood the situation enough to not hold it against Zelda or Hylia and chose to complete the mission of his own free will.



** On a practical standpoint, it probably saved time, disc space, and development costs to not create night versions of the maps or a time cycle.



** The sword didn't have anything to do with the sky when it was created since the sky islands were only raised after the war with Demise was in its final phase.



** She flat out states that she can feel her consciousness fading away as she speaks her last words. It was going to happen, pedestal or no pedestal. And even if that wasn't the case, there is a very important misunderstanding here. Navi '''did''' have a reason to leave Link, and it's the same reason Fi ultimately had to leave too: they weere accompanying their specific Links because it was their mission, and the mission is over. Sure, they may wish they could stay, but they're bound by whatever duties they still have. Navi as a non-companion fairy, and Fi as the sword of evil's bane.

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** She flat out states that she can feel her consciousness fading away as she speaks her last words. It was going to happen, pedestal or no pedestal. And even if that wasn't the case, there is a very important misunderstanding here. Navi '''did''' have a reason to leave Link, and it's the same reason Fi ultimately had to leave too: they weere were accompanying their specific Links because it was their mission, and the mission is over. Sure, they may wish they could stay, but they're bound by whatever duties they still have. Navi as a non-companion fairy, and Fi as the sword of evil's bane.bane.
** ''Tears of the Kingdom'' confirms that the Master Sword's power isn't eternal. It needs to be put to rest after use in holy sites so it can absorb sacred power from them to replenish itself. A process that can take centuries on end, so the sword is only drawn when necessary and returned shortly afterwards to keep it ready for the next time its needed. Above all else, Fi is part of the Master Sword, so she must slumber with it. Given that Demise's essence had to be sealed within the blade itself, Fi had to all but shut down to put all her remaining strength into slowly destroying it over a very long time. Apparently, it took so long that she could only start making herself known again in the extremely distant future of the ''Breath of Wild'' trilogy.


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** If you listen to people on Skyloft, they tell you that they think the surface is just a mythical realm where nobody who attempts to go ever returns. When those giant pillars started popping up, I doubt that anyone but the bravest of dumbest would try going to them to see where they lead. To most people, they'd be a weird event, but ultimately not any of their business. Especially not with the headmaster there to, presumably, convince them to ignore these pillars and avoid them for their own safety.
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* How is Demise able to create a curse so powerful to affect the ENTIRE LoZ timestream and allow the 3 Golden Idiots, yes, most flexible and SANE fans can call them that, to honor the deal that obviously adds no benefit to anyone, mortal or gods?! The Three should have altered the deal to add better benefits or just flat out denied it![[/folder]]
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** Yeah, it's not a literal curse that CAN be broken, it's more of a promise. Hyrule Historia's prequel manga shows that Link and Zelda reincarnate because Hylia made it so--she made his "heroic spirit live on eternally" and made herself mortal to reincarnate with him whenever Hyrule is in danger. All Demise is basically saying is that he and his incarnations will ''be'' that danger.
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** The simplest explanation is that Ghirahim figured out the second gate was at the Sealed Temple, but wasn’t able to break Zelda out of her crystal. Or didn’t think he could, at any rate. Thus he was left with no other choice but to wait for Link to release the seal for him.
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** Ghirahim’s ranting is sort of supposed to foreshadow the fact that Impa and the old woman are the same person. You’re led to think that Impa helped Zelda escape from him twice, but then at the Temple of Hylia, Zelda reveals it was the old woman who had helped her the first time.
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** Maybe the gust of wind itself is what's strong enough to push him up, and the sailcloth is just what keeps him upright as he flies up. This troper noticed that when he was blown up, he seemed to be flipping around more than when he had the sailcloth.

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** Maybe the gust of wind itself is what's strong enough to push him up, and the sailcloth is just what keeps him upright as he flies up. This troper noticed that when he was blown up, he seemed to be flipping around more than when he had the sailcloth.
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\n** Building on the notion that Fi looking for Link would attract too much notice, monsters may not be able to touch the sword, but the Bokoblins probably have a way of keeping in touch with Ghirahim. If any of them were able to report to him with the sword’s location when Link isn’t there to use it, it’s not beyond imagination that he could use that to his advantage even if he can’t directly touch the blade. After all, ''Breath of the Wild'' has shown us that the Master Sword isn’t indestructible.
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*** As far as we can tell the triforce isn't a Genie, it doesn't give you a list of rules and doesn't set limits on it's use. Is the whole point of the macguffin; it is said to give unlimited power and fulfill any wish. If you're pure of heart and balanced you're allowed to use it, if you're not then it separates and you have to force it back together again to use it (why it then won't just separate again is unclear). Is a fair question why Link and Groose couldn't cobble together a ladder to reach it and wish for Zelda to be returned. I think the only in-universe answer is either Link doesn't understand the power of the Triforce, or the Triforce isn't as powerful as people believe.
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** Maybe Gaepora issued some kind of ordinance forbidding anyone from going near the light pillars. He was there when the first one appeared, so he knows where they lead.
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** The Skyloft citizens are completely apathetic to changes in their environment. They regularly comment on events that Link caused (not sure if they commented on the opening of the pillars), like the laser beams pointing at the Goddess Statue for instance, but then just go on with their lives.
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*** Zelda's time travel logic is anything ''but'' constant. Ocarina of Time mixes YouAlreadyChangedThePast and AlternateTimeline, Oracle of Ages uses a weird logic where the progress on the construction of the Black Tower always looks the same in the present as it does in the past. Skyward Sword clearly tries to go back to YouAlreadyChangedThePast, which works on a single timeline, for the main plot (you can already see a saled Zelda in the temple before she ever goes into the past, multiple references to a past hero that describes your actions while in the past, before you actually go back and do them), and even then there are some inconsistencies.
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*** The fact Ganon never used another wish to just break free from the Sages' seal in A Link to the Past is pretty strong indication that it is single use. He had the thing safely stored away and within his reach all along, after all.


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*** One use per lifetime would be more than enough to spark a golden age. Heck, a single wish should be able to.
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** Young Impa seems to be somewhat aware of her connection with old Impa, as she sends Link to her knowing that she will know what Link has to do next. As such, she probably knows the second Gate will be needed again, so she can stay in the past. And even if she doesn't know she and granny are the same being, she seems to respect her enough that she would probably follow her advice, and old Impa would know to say "hey, by the way, don't break this one".
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** Well, the reason you discarded ''is'' the most important one. The portal works on SanDimasTime, and time was of an issue. Sure, the game lets you dilly-dally all you want, but that's a classic case of TakeYourTime, where a time limit isn't enforced, but is there in terms of plot.
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** She flat out states that she can feel her consciousness fading away as she speaks her last words. It was going to happen, pedestal or no pedestal. And even if that wasn't the case, there is a very important misunderstanding here. Navi '''did''' have a reason to leave Link, and it's the same reason Fi ultimately had to leave too: they weere accompanying their specific Links because it was their mission, and the mission is over. Sure, they may wish they could stay, but they're bound by whatever duties they still have. Navi as a non-companion fairy, and Fi as the sword of evil's bane.
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** It has to do with the way the Triforce was collected. Link collected all three pieces individually, so he was already in possession of the full Triforce. When Ganondorf reassembles the Triforce in Wind Waker, he only owned one piece, so the reformed Triforce was up for grabs to the first person who touched it then.
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** There's no indication that Hylia regained her godhood. What we do have, though, is indication that Hylia had the power to perfectly predict the future, and left many messages for the future. This means, in practice, her presence can still be felt in the future through those pre-recorded messages that are so specific they look like interactions with a living goddess.
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** They were both dreams/visions of the future Link was having. Hardly the first time in the series a Link dreams about a future villain.
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** Since the Silent Realm assumes a golden hue once you've collected all three pieces of the Triforce, which ''A Link the Past'' stated would happen when it was claimed by someone with a balanced heart, it seems that Link touching each of the pieces separately was what constituted touching the complete thing. Barring that, the circumstances from ''The Wind Waker'' were extremely dire ones; the goddesses might have been more strict about the rules of granting wishes so that they could get away with granting King Daphnes's rather than Ganondorf's. In ''Skyward Sword'', Link was the only one around with a wish to be granted, and it was one that the goddesses were probably happy to see come to fruition.

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** It's not uncommon in stories to make things personal even if there are larger stakes. [[Film/TheLordOfTheRingsTheReturnOfTheKing Aragorn has to lead the charge on Mordor]] because Sauron will conquer the world, and because apparently Arwen will die for some reason if he doesn't. [[Film/IronMan3 Tony Stark has to save the President]], save America, and save Pepper too. Reason being because authors feel the stakes don't feel real to the audience if they're about some ethereal world rather than a specific person we care about. In this case, the gods that let this course of events happen feel the same way. Metafiction reasons becoming in-universe ones, or fiction admitting metafictional causes. So these gods/authors let this happen to Link and Zelda so he'd turn from pretty driven to ''really'' driven.
*** In the case of fantasy works, it could also be a divine method to ensure the right players stay on the field they need to be, in order to keep things running rightly. Using your example, Aragorn NEEDED to be the one to lead the alliance, as the rightful King. If he had chosen to, say, give the lead to Theoden or Eomer, then the alliance may have splintered. If Link wasn't directly in the field, Demise may have won. Thus, you ensure their place by making the stake personal so that they're compelled to fulfill their part.
** Yes, but then why did Zelda/Hylia make such a big deal about what an awful, evil manipulator she was? If it ultimately only hedged their bets and didn't make him do anything he wasn't already willing to do, it shouldn't have been that big of a deal, so I feel like there has to be something more to it. Making him think his lover was in mortal peril would definitely have caused emotional distress, so it was cruel in that respect, but I still don't think it warrants Zelda's level of self-deprecation. I dunno, maybe she just took it harder than he did? This would work a lot better if he wasn't a HeroicMime... It's kind of annoying that the writers are starting to make Link into an actual character but still won't let us into his head.
** Because she's a good person who feels bad for putting him through emotional distress. In the end, it wasn't really a huge deal, but Link would have been justified in being more than a little pissed.
** Hm. Well, I don't think he would be justified, but I guess that's a matter of personal ethics/philosophy. I'd interpret it as her ruminating on the issue for a long time and thus blowing it out of proportion.
** I personally believe that something they could've done to avoid this issue would have been having Link develop closer relationships with the different Surface tribes and characters. People will say that Link saving a loved one was already done in ''The Wind Waker'', but in that game, you could still ''see'' at certain moments the bonds and relationships that formed between him and the other islanders, the Koroks and Rito, and so on. Thus, you can more easily imagine him putting his life on the line and saving the world for their sakes, as well, especially since Aryll is rescued only at the game's halfway point, and the Hero of Winds continues his adventure, not giving up until Ganondorf is defeated. In ''Skyward Sword'', the only times Link even speaks to a lot of the characters living on the Surface is to ask for information on where they last saw Zelda, and the first three dungeons he goes through are only because ''Zelda's'' somewhere inside them - thus, because we never see any signs of friendship between him and anyone else (not even his ''partner'', when you think about it), it's easy to see him as a pretty selfish "hero" and not hard to imagine him fighting Demise solely to reclaim Zelda's soul from him. The only time this incarnation of Link shows that he cares significantly for anyone but Zelda...is really when Fi asks that he return the Master Sword to its pedestal, and even then, it wasn't very earned since we never see any signs of a friendship between the two of them.


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** Also, the inherent flaw in this line of thinking is that it takes Hylia's opinions as being the absolute truth. Zelda says that Hylia put her mortal self into danger because she thought it would help motivate Link. That doesn't mean Link wouldn't have done anything if the world hadn't been in danger, nor does it necessarily mean that Hylia thought that. It just means she wanted to give him a particularly strong personal motivation to ensure he got the job done.
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** He could have been a demon that was part of the horde when Demise was attacking and just happened to be on a piece of land that Hylia sent to the sky, only to find later that he was trapped up there. And eventually after spending so much time away from other demons and around humans, he decided he wanted to fit in. His natural evil influence would explain the monsters that spawn every night and why when he sheds his demonic form suddenly it stops.
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** Yeah, it seems unlikely that they're portals since that would just lead to even more headscratching about why people get reduced back to skeletal remains the moment the step outside of the shifted area. Does every enemy just immediately suffer a coincidental workplace accident as soon as they move away from Link? Treating them as a sort of "recording" of the past is still far from straightforward but it's probably the simplest way to conceive of whatever is happening there.




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** As another troper pointed out on the fridge page, there likely is a split but the "main" timeline in which you successfully sealed Demise presumably doesn't have his curse so there probably aren't any games in that sequence. Conflicts would still happen in that history but none of them would revolve around the reincarnations of Hylia, Demise and the hero so would be pretty off-topic for the series. In contrast every single other game in the franchise probably follows the timeline Ghirahim created when he went back and gave Demise his duel with Link, ironically making him more of a GreaterScopeVillain than Demise to an extent.

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