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* So if [[spoiler: Ravio had gone to Hyrule to seek a hero that could help him why did Ravio have Link pay for using his items. Wouldn't Ravio just give Link the items so he could better help him out?]]
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* So if [[spoiler: Ravio had gone to Hyrule to seek a hero that could help him why did Ravio have Link pay for using his items. Wouldn't Ravio just give Link the items so he could better help him out?]]out?]]
** [[spoiler: I'd say a subtle test of character/making sure Link really is the Hero. Rent out items, see if he puts them to good use, if he makes it to the point that he can buy the items, all the better...and of course, make a few bucks in the process. Always good to have a plan B in case it all goes to pot on him.]]
** [[spoiler: I'd say a subtle test of character/making sure Link really is the Hero. Rent out items, see if he puts them to good use, if he makes it to the point that he can buy the items, all the better...and of course, make a few bucks in the process. Always good to have a plan B in case it all goes to pot on him.]]
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* Wait so if [[spoiler: Ravio had gone to Hyrule to seek a hero that could help him why did Ravio have Link pay for using his items. Wouldn't Ravio just give Link the items so he could better help him out?]]
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* Wait so So if [[spoiler: Ravio had gone to Hyrule to seek a hero that could help him why did Ravio have Link pay for using his items. Wouldn't Ravio just give Link the items so he could better help him out?]]
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** The battery to the ROM, of course. It's what let's Legend of Zelda link continue.
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** The battery to the ROM, of course. It's what let's Legend of Zelda link continue.continue.
* Wait so if [[spoiler: Ravio had gone to Hyrule to seek a hero that could help him why did Ravio have Link pay for using his items. Wouldn't Ravio just give Link the items so he could better help him out?]]
* Wait so if [[spoiler: Ravio had gone to Hyrule to seek a hero that could help him why did Ravio have Link pay for using his items. Wouldn't Ravio just give Link the items so he could better help him out?]]
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*** Lorule actually seems to be more of an AlternateUniverse rather than just a word in the same multiverse. It has its own Sacred Realm, for instance. The differences are a little bigger than the single event that differs between the AT and the DT, but it's still closer to them than, say, Termina is.
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* So uhh...what's in Ravio's bag that's "more important than life itself"?
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* So uhh...what's in Ravio's bag that's "more important than life itself"?itself"?
** The battery to the ROM, of course. It's what let's Legend of Zelda link continue.
** The battery to the ROM, of course. It's what let's Legend of Zelda link continue.
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**** Only 3, actually. Post Ocarina of time, there are 3 main time lines. In the timeline where the Hero of Time wins, there is further the Adult Link and Child Link timelines. Then there is the timeline where the HoT loses which is where this game takes place. Lorule isn't so much an alternate universe so much as it and Hyrule are part of the same multi-verse. Presumably it exists in the other timelines, but we've just never seen it before.
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** Another theory being that the qualities of the Triforce were just swapped around; [[spoiler: Ravio with Wisdom]], Hilda with Power, and Yuga for Courage.
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** Another theory being that the qualities of the Triforce were just swapped around; [[spoiler: Ravio with Wisdom]], Hilda with Power, and Yuga for Courage.Courage.
* So uhh...what's in Ravio's bag that's "more important than life itself"?
* So uhh...what's in Ravio's bag that's "more important than life itself"?
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*** This makes sense, actually. If you look at the Lorule residents, they aren't opposites of their Hyrule counterparts, just...similar, but through a different lens. [[spoiler: The Blacksmith and his wife in Lorule, for example. The Blacksmith is still very good at what he does, and takes pride in his work...just a bit more timid about it. Likewise, his wife is still caring and maternal, just a bit more brash about it. Hilda, like Zelda, cares deep;y about her kingdom, and is willing to do whatever it takes to protect it. She was just more willing to sacrifice, rather than take a third option. Hell, looking at the little vignettes between Lorule dungeons, and it's clear that Hilda isn't doing what she's doing because she wants to, but because she feels she has no other choice, and regrets it immensely. In spite of what Ravio said, he was not the coward he sees himself as. Desertion in the face of such actions takes guts...he just exercises his courage differently. And assuming Yuga is a direct analogue of Ganon, he's definitely not weak...though not NEARLY as strong as Ganon, but he exercises it differently. Through cunning and guile rather than brute force and fear.]] It makes sense that the Lorule Triforce would not be opposites, but rather the Hyrule Triforce's ideals expressed differently...as said above, Ambition, Caution and Focus to Hyrule's Power, Courage and Wisdom.
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** I believe that perhaps Lorule's Triforce represents Ambition, Caution and Focus - not only do these virtues mirror those of Hyrule's Triforce, but they also represent the characters of [[spoiler:Yuga, Ravio and Hilda. Yuga's '''Ambition''' has turned to avarice (greed), Ravio's '''Caution''' has turned to cowardice, and Hilda's '''Focus''' has blinded her to the bigger picture.]] I hope that this clears a few things up.
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** I believe that perhaps Lorule's Triforce represents Ambition, Caution and Focus - not only do these virtues mirror those of Hyrule's Triforce, but they also represent the characters of [[spoiler:Yuga, Ravio and Hilda. Yuga's '''Ambition''' has turned to avarice (greed), Ravio's '''Caution''' has turned to cowardice, and Hilda's '''Focus''' has blinded her to the bigger picture.]] I hope that this clears a few things up.up.
** Another theory being that the qualities of the Triforce were just swapped around; [[spoiler: Ravio with Wisdom]], Hilda with Power, and Yuga for Courage.
** Another theory being that the qualities of the Triforce were just swapped around; [[spoiler: Ravio with Wisdom]], Hilda with Power, and Yuga for Courage.
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** It was never established that Lorule's Triforce embodies the opposite of the other's virtues. They appear to have represented different traits (as Courage, Wisdom and Power are mentioned as qualities of Hyrule's Triforce in particular), but they were probably other positive qualities. It's worth pointing that Lorule was not the complete opposite of Hyrule (it was a world much like Hyrule itself before their Triforce was destroyed), just a paralel universe with a few key differences, and that if Lorule's Triforce (which isn't "dark" at all) represented Cowardice, Ignorance and Weakness, it would hardly be an artefact worth fighting a war over.
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** It was never established that Lorule's Triforce embodies the opposite of the other's virtues. They appear to have represented different traits (as Courage, Wisdom and Power are mentioned as qualities of Hyrule's Triforce in particular), but they were probably other positive qualities. It's worth pointing that Lorule was not the complete opposite of Hyrule (it was a world much like Hyrule itself before their Triforce was destroyed), just a paralel universe with a few key differences, and that if Lorule's Triforce (which isn't "dark" at all) represented Cowardice, Ignorance and Weakness, it would hardly be an artefact worth fighting a war over.over.
** I believe that perhaps Lorule's Triforce represents Ambition, Caution and Focus - not only do these virtues mirror those of Hyrule's Triforce, but they also represent the characters of [[spoiler:Yuga, Ravio and Hilda. Yuga's '''Ambition''' has turned to avarice (greed), Ravio's '''Caution''' has turned to cowardice, and Hilda's '''Focus''' has blinded her to the bigger picture.]] I hope that this clears a few things up.
** I believe that perhaps Lorule's Triforce represents Ambition, Caution and Focus - not only do these virtues mirror those of Hyrule's Triforce, but they also represent the characters of [[spoiler:Yuga, Ravio and Hilda. Yuga's '''Ambition''' has turned to avarice (greed), Ravio's '''Caution''' has turned to cowardice, and Hilda's '''Focus''' has blinded her to the bigger picture.]] I hope that this clears a few things up.
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** More important than what he intended to do, how did he '''actually''' manage to reach the boss room? And why was he even climbing the dungeon, if there was nothing there?
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** It was never established that Lorule's Triforce embodies the opposite of the other's virtues. They appear to have represented different traits (as Courage, Wisdom and Power are mentioned as qualities of Hyrule's Triforce in particular), but they were probably other positive qualities. It's worth pointing that Lorule was not the complete opposite of Hyrule, just a paralel universe with a few key differences, and that if Lorule's Triforce (which isn't "dark" at all) represented Cowardice, Ignorance and Weakness, it would hardly be an artefact worth fighting a war over.
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** It was never established that Lorule's Triforce embodies the opposite of the other's virtues. They appear to have represented different traits (as Courage, Wisdom and Power are mentioned as qualities of Hyrule's Triforce in particular), but they were probably other positive qualities. It's worth pointing that Lorule was not the complete opposite of Hyrule, Hyrule (it was a world much like Hyrule itself before their Triforce was destroyed), just a paralel universe with a few key differences, and that if Lorule's Triforce (which isn't "dark" at all) represented Cowardice, Ignorance and Weakness, it would hardly be an artefact worth fighting a war over.
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** It was never established that Lorule's Triforce embodies the opposite of the other's virtues. They appear to have represented different traits (as Hilda points out the Triforce's virtues as a characteristic of '''that''' Triforce), but they were probably other positive qualities. It's worth pointing that Lorule was not the complete opposite of Hyrule, just a paralel universe with a few key differences.
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** It was never established that Lorule's Triforce embodies the opposite of the other's virtues. They appear to have represented different traits (as Hilda points out the Triforce's virtues Courage, Wisdom and Power are mentioned as a characteristic qualities of '''that''' Triforce), Hyrule's Triforce in particular), but they were probably other positive qualities. It's worth pointing that Lorule was not the complete opposite of Hyrule, just a paralel universe with a few key differences.differences, and that if Lorule's Triforce (which isn't "dark" at all) represented Cowardice, Ignorance and Weakness, it would hardly be an artefact worth fighting a war over.
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** [[spoiler: Ravio is a coward. Hilda lacked the wisdom to realize that the path she's walking down was the very reason why they destroyed their Triforce in the first place, as well as that she could have just asked Zelda for aid and use Hyrule's Triforce to restore Lorule's thus saving both worlds, and Yuga was weak enough for Link to defeat twice (though the first time he was clearly under-estimating him) before he merged with Ganon.]]
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** [[spoiler: Ravio is a coward. Hilda lacked the wisdom to realize that the path she's walking down was the very reason why they destroyed their Triforce in the first place, as well as that she could have just asked Zelda for aid and use Hyrule's Triforce to restore Lorule's thus saving both worlds, and Yuga was weak enough for Link to defeat twice (though the first time he was clearly under-estimating him) before he merged with Ganon.]]]]
** It was never established that Lorule's Triforce embodies the opposite of the other's virtues. They appear to have represented different traits (as Hilda points out the Triforce's virtues as a characteristic of '''that''' Triforce), but they were probably other positive qualities. It's worth pointing that Lorule was not the complete opposite of Hyrule, just a paralel universe with a few key differences.
** It was never established that Lorule's Triforce embodies the opposite of the other's virtues. They appear to have represented different traits (as Hilda points out the Triforce's virtues as a characteristic of '''that''' Triforce), but they were probably other positive qualities. It's worth pointing that Lorule was not the complete opposite of Hyrule, just a paralel universe with a few key differences.
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** [[spoiler: Ravio is a coward. Hilda lacked the wisdom to figure out that she could have just asked Zelda for aid and use Hyrule's Triforce to restore Lorule's thus saving both worlds, and Yuga was weak enough for Link to defeat twice (though the first time he was clearly under-estimating him) before he merged with Ganon.]]
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** [[spoiler: Ravio is a coward. Hilda lacked the wisdom to figure out realize that the path she's walking down was the very reason why they destroyed their Triforce in the first place, as well as that she could have just asked Zelda for aid and use Hyrule's Triforce to restore Lorule's thus saving both worlds, and Yuga was weak enough for Link to defeat twice (though the first time he was clearly under-estimating him) before he merged with Ganon.]]
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** [[spoiler: Ravio is a coward. Hilda lacked the wisdom to figure out that she could have just asked Zelda for aid and use the Hyrule Triforce to restore Lorule's thus saving both worlds, and Yuga was weak enough for Link to defeat twice (though the first time he was clearly under-estimating him) before he merged with Ganon.]]
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** [[spoiler: Ravio is a coward. Hilda lacked the wisdom to figure out that she could have just asked Zelda for aid and use the Hyrule Hyrule's Triforce to restore Lorule's thus saving both worlds, and Yuga was weak enough for Link to defeat twice (though the first time he was clearly under-estimating him) before he merged with Ganon.]]
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* If the Dark Triforce is the embodiment of the inverse traits of the Light Triforce, as revealed by [[spoiler: Ravio the coward being the Lorule Link]] shouldn't Hilda be ignorant and Yuga be weak?
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* If the Dark Triforce is the embodiment of the inverse traits of the Light Triforce, as revealed by [[spoiler: Ravio the coward being the Lorule Link]] shouldn't Hilda be ignorant and Yuga be weak?weak?
** [[spoiler: Ravio is a coward. Hilda lacked the wisdom to figure out that she could have just asked Zelda for aid and use the Hyrule Triforce to restore Lorule's thus saving both worlds, and Yuga was weak enough for Link to defeat twice (though the first time he was clearly under-estimating him) before he merged with Ganon.]]
** [[spoiler: Ravio is a coward. Hilda lacked the wisdom to figure out that she could have just asked Zelda for aid and use the Hyrule Triforce to restore Lorule's thus saving both worlds, and Yuga was weak enough for Link to defeat twice (though the first time he was clearly under-estimating him) before he merged with Ganon.]]
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*If the Dark Triforce is the embodiment of the inverse traits of the Light Triforce, as revealed by [[spoiler: Ravio the coward being the Lorule Link]] shouldn't Hilda be ignorant and Yuga be weak?
*If the Dark Triforce is the embodiment of the inverse traits of the Light Triforce, as revealed by [[spoiler: Ravio the coward being the Lorule Link]] shouldn't Hilda be ignorant and Yuga be weak?
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** Nintendo just likes reusing themes without actually connecting them. Just like we have two mirrors with dark tribes sealed within, a bunch of swords that look and act like the Master Sword, a lot of sacred powers passed down the royal family bloodline, etc. Lorule drinks heavily from ''A Link to the Past'''s version of the Dark World, but it's more like a paralel universe, akin to Termina (while the Dark World is more deeply connected to Hyrule itself, being a corrupted version of its closest analogue to a heaven, the Sacred Realm). In fact [[spoiler: we visit both Lorule and Hyrule's Sacred Realms in this game.]]
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** Nintendo just likes reusing themes without actually connecting them. Just like we have two mirrors with dark tribes sealed within, a bunch of swords that look and act like the Master Sword, a lot of sacred powers passed down the royal family bloodline, etc. Lorule drinks heavily from ''A Link to the Past'''s version of the Dark World, but it's more like a paralel universe, akin to Termina (while the Dark World is more deeply connected to Hyrule itself, being a corrupted version of its closest analogue to a heaven, the Sacred Realm). In fact [[spoiler: we visit both Lorule and Hyrule's Sacred Realms in this game.]]]]
*What did Osfala intend to accomplish with the Sand Rod in a sandless dungeon?
*What did Osfala intend to accomplish with the Sand Rod in a sandless dungeon?
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** Nintendo just likes reusing themes without actually connecting them. Just like we have two mirrors with dark tribes sealed within, a bunch of swords that look and act like the Master Sword, a lot of sacred powers passed down the royal family bloodline, etc. Lorule drinks heavily from ''A Link to the Past'''s version of the Dark World, but it's more like a paralel universe, akin to Termina (while the Dark World is more deeply connected to Hyrule itself, being a corrupted version of its Sacred Realm). In fact [[spoiler: we visit both Lorule and Hyrule's Sacred Realms in this game.]]
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** Nintendo just likes reusing themes without actually connecting them. Just like we have two mirrors with dark tribes sealed within, a bunch of swords that look and act like the Master Sword, a lot of sacred powers passed down the royal family bloodline, etc. Lorule drinks heavily from ''A Link to the Past'''s version of the Dark World, but it's more like a paralel universe, akin to Termina (while the Dark World is more deeply connected to Hyrule itself, being a corrupted version of its closest analogue to a heaven, the Sacred Realm). In fact [[spoiler: we visit both Lorule and Hyrule's Sacred Realms in this game.]]
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** Nintendo just likes reusing themes without actually connecting them. Just like we have two mirrors with dark tribes sealed within, a bunch of swords that look and act like the Master Sword, a lot of sacred powers passed down the royal family bloodline, etc. Lorule drinks heavily from ''A Link to the Past'''s version of the Dark World, but it's more like a paralel universe, akin to Termina (while the Dark World is more deeply connected to Hyrule itself). In fact [[spoiler: we visit both Lorule and Hyrule's Sacred Realms in this game.]]
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** Nintendo just likes reusing themes without actually connecting them. Just like we have two mirrors with dark tribes sealed within, a bunch of swords that look and act like the Master Sword, a lot of sacred powers passed down the royal family bloodline, etc. Lorule drinks heavily from ''A Link to the Past'''s version of the Dark World, but it's more like a paralel universe, akin to Termina (while the Dark World is more deeply connected to Hyrule itself).itself, being a corrupted version of its Sacred Realm). In fact [[spoiler: we visit both Lorule and Hyrule's Sacred Realms in this game.]]
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** Nintendo just likes reusing themes without actually connecting them. Just like we have two mirrors with dark tribes sealed within, a bunch of swords that look and act like the Master Sword, a lot of sacred powers passed down the royal family bloodline, etc. Lorule drinks heavily from ''A Link to the Past'''s version of the Dark World, but it's more like a paralel universe, akin to Termina (while the Dark World is more deeply connected to Hyrule itself). In fact [[spoiler: we visit both Lorule and Hyrule's Sacred Realms in this game.]]
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** Nintendo just likes reusing themes without actually connecting them. Just like we have two mirrors with dark tribes sealed within, a bunch of swords that look and act like the Master Sword, a lot of sacred powers passed down the royal family bloodline, etc. Lorule drinks heavily from ALttP's version of the Dark World, but it's more like a paralel universe, akin to Termina.
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** Nintendo just likes reusing themes without actually connecting them. Just like we have two mirrors with dark tribes sealed within, a bunch of swords that look and act like the Master Sword, a lot of sacred powers passed down the royal family bloodline, etc. Lorule drinks heavily from ALttP's ''A Link to the Past'''s version of the Dark World, but it's more like a paralel universe, akin to Termina.Termina (while the Dark World is more deeply connected to Hyrule itself).
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** Nintendo just likes reusing themes without actually connecting them. Just like we have two mirrors with dark tribes sealed within, a bunch of swords that look and act like the Master Sword, a lot of sacred powers passed down the royal family bloodline, etc.
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** Nintendo just likes reusing themes without actually connecting them. Just like we have two mirrors with dark tribes sealed within, a bunch of swords that look and act like the Master Sword, a lot of sacred powers passed down the royal family bloodline, etc. Lorule drinks heavily from ALttP's version of the Dark World, but it's more like a paralel universe, akin to Termina.
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*** … and this makes how many {{Alternate Universe}}s?Universe}}s?
** Nintendo just likes reusing themes without actually connecting them. Just like we have two mirrors with dark tribes sealed within, a bunch of swords that look and act like the Master Sword, a lot of sacred powers passed down the royal family bloodline, etc.
** Nintendo just likes reusing themes without actually connecting them. Just like we have two mirrors with dark tribes sealed within, a bunch of swords that look and act like the Master Sword, a lot of sacred powers passed down the royal family bloodline, etc.
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*** … How and this makes how many {{Alternate Universe}}s does Hyrule have?Universe}}s?
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*** … How many {{Alternate Universe}}s Universe}}s does Hyrule have?
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** No. It's a thematically similar, but distinct, alternate world. It's effectively a what-if universe where the Triforce was destroyed instead of sealed in the Sacred Realm.
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** No. It's a thematically similar, but distinct, alternate world. It's effectively a what-if universe where the Triforce was destroyed instead of sealed in the Sacred Realm.Realm.
*** … How many {{Alternate Universe}}s does Hyrule have?
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** No. It's a thematically similar, but distinct, alternate world. It's effectively a what-if universe where the Triforce was destroyed instead of sealed in the Sacred Realm.
** No. It's a thematically similar, but distinct, alternate world. It's effectively a what-if universe where the Triforce was destroyed instead of sealed in the Sacred Realm.
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